Hey progressives, Hillary isn’t the enemy: I’m a Sanders supporter..............

[Historic NY]

but I’m sick of Bernie Bros’ Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I'm pulling for Sanders. But if Clinton wins the nomination, progressives should go all in for her. Here's why

The inevitable has finally happened: Bernie Sanders supporters are beginning to openly proclaim that, if Hillary Clinton defeats their champion in the upcoming Democratic presidential primaries, they will not support her in the subsequent election.

I refer to this trend as “inevitable” because, as a Sanders supporter myself, I’ve heard this sentiment privately uttered in numerous conversations with (otherwise sympathetic) minds. More recently, it was articulated by H. A. Goodman in an editorial for Salon arguing that “I want an honest progressive, not a Republican, which is why I will not support Trump or Clinton. Bernie Sanders will win the presidency in 2016 because there are millions of people like me, and I’ll no longer be intimidated by the phrase, ‘You can’t let a Republican win!’”


http://www.salon.com/2015/11/12/hey_progressives_hillary_isnt_the_enemy_im_a_sanders_supporter_but_im_sick_of_bernie_bros_clinton_derangement_syndrome/


Interesting read......

[ibegurpard]

1. I'm a Sanders supporter but...

[JimDandy]

4. I know, right?

Check out the "Bernie Bros", sig line and favorite group.

[Cali_Democrat]

67. You two appear to be completely lost

The OP never claimed to be a Sanders supporter.

That's the title of the article.

[JimDandy]

75. Reading is fundamental:

"I'm pulling for Sanders..." is NOT in the article. Those are the words of the OP. I can see why you're confused, because that poster did a piss poor job of presenting the article (no block quotes) and interspersed her own words.

[Cali_Democrat]

79. Check the link again.

It is in the article.

Below the title and above the author's name.

[JimDandy]

81. You are Right! That part does not appear on my mobile.

Hence my statements. I went to my laptop and clicked the link and it appears. Weird!

[litlbilly]

69. It's like trolls calling radio liberal radio stations. I stumbled across your station, I am a

liberal who listens to both sides, I am a small business owner, etc, etc. Not fooling anyone.

[George II]

24. That's the headline of the article linked, if you took the time to read the post.

[ibegurpard]

26. irrelevant

"I'm a Sanders supporter but..." is the clarion call of Clinton Internet warriors who think they're actually fooling people. Whether it's the OP's title or the author's title doesn't change that.

[George II]

32. But you guys were criticizing the OP for being essentially a fake Sanders supporter, even though....

...the OP never claimed to be a Sander supporter, the author of the article he/she was discussing was the "Sanders supporter".

Seems some of you guys will look for anything to about and criticize.

[relayerbob]

62. Um, no

There are a lot of us who are smarter than that, and understand the future of this country CANNOT be handed to the GOP. THE REAL GOP!!!!! Dismissing people who respect BOTH candidates is childish, counterproductive, and frankly drives people away from voting at all. The Dems are pushing REALLY hard to repeat 2000 and 1980. It's about time for all of us to wake up, realize that an opponent is not necessarily an enemy and start working together to elect the best candidates and AT THE SAME TIME, start spending some of this energy on something less foolish than tearing down one's allied opponent and start working to win some Senate and Congressional seats as well as local elections.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!

[ibegurpard]

73. let me guess

I'm a Sanders supporter but...

The Democratic Party will never be effective as long as the corporate leeches are running it.
They've lost the House. They've lost the Senate. They've lost the majority of state legislatures and governorships. And now they want to install one of the earliest architects of third-way politics as the nominee for President...putting that last firewall at risk as well.
No.
Enough is enough.

[JimDandy]

72. Apparently some of them don't recognize

how transparently obvious this behavior is.

[artislife]

84. They are like spores....

[randys1]

2. SHe isnt the enemy to actual liberals. She aint our hero either, but enemy? Not if

you know anything about anything.

Therefore, who exactly is so adamantly opposed to her?

[ibegurpard]

8. the Democratic Party will never be a viable alternative

To the Republicans until the money vampires are kicked to the curb. We cannot advocate for policy that benefits the working classes while they are leading us.

[randys1]

9. Liz Warren cant?

[tecelote]

22. "SHe isn't the enemy to actual liberals. She aint our hero either, but enemy?"

Exactly. We'll vote for Hillary if she wins.

In all fairness, an honest person would be hard put to show which side is spewing more vitriol.

These threads are not accomplishing much and, come to think of it... why am I wasting my time with this? Sucks you in but a total waste of time. No issues just slamming each side.

Hard stop.

[LiberalArkie]

60. I feel that by the time convention is here, HRC's goals are going to be pretty close to Bernies

anyway. If she is the nominee then Bernies supporters will happily support her. Down here in Arkansas there were a lot of HRC supporters in 2008 that could not bring themselves to vote for "That man" and did not ever go and vote. We still have a lot of racist people who do not think that they are but white woman vs black man. And that hurt us down the line on the ballots. If Carson is the Republican nominee, I think we could get some bonus points in the election.

[randys1]

63. I believe if Hillary gets her money from US and not Wall street, then she has no

motivation to answer to Wall Street.

Maybe it is too late for Hillary in that sense, but how do we do that?

Campaign finance reform. Public financing only.

[LiberalArkie]

65. Some day we as a nation have to get there. Make it against the law to even campaign before

a certain date. Make it a 90 day cycle to the conventions and another 90 or 120 to General election day. Only money allowed would be from the Federal Gov. It can be done, we just have to have the will to fight for it. And more people would turn out for those elections also.

[randys1]

66. And allow voting over a 3 day mandatory national holiday.

And make it so when you turn 18 you vote, no ID, no registering..

[ibegurpard]

74. No one is going to believe her

And that is her (justifiably) biggest weakness.

[artislife]

85. I don't trust her

Not really.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. She is a Libertarian...Rand Paul style!

[FlatBaroque]

5. .

[Rogue Democrat]

6. This is comedy, right?

[brooklynite]

7. "Beginning" to proclaim?

This has been happening since the beginning of the year.

[Historic NY]

10. Reading is fundamental I didn't write this....

its from salon

[Cha]

11. "The inevitable has finally happened: Bernie Sanders supporters are beginning to openly proclaim

that if Hillary Clinton defeats their champion in the upcoming Democratic presidential primaries, they will not support her in the subsequent election."

Those are self-absorbed whiners who don't give a shite about our Planet and its Environment.

I maintain there aren't as many of those as they like to proclaim. Oh sure the rwingers don't care.. look at their promises to roll back the President's progress on our Environmental issues.

Thanks HistoricNY

[whatchamacallit]

16. Lol

What a load of shit.

[riversedge]

41. I thought it was a well reasoned article. Thanks. I am going to

pass it on to some I know.

[Cha]

80. Very well reasoned.. the writer actually cares about the Planet.

[jeff47]

12. Yes, you always use insulting names for people you agree with.

Hey Matthew...your claim of support kinda fell apart at "Bernie Bros" and "Derangement".

[Warren DeMontague]

13. "Bernie Bros"

derp

[whatchamacallit]

14. You

[Romulox]

15. Sanders supporter with the Clinton sig picture? Rrrrright....

[BlueCheese]

19. It's obvious that the title and contents are from the linked article.

Come on.

[Romulox]

20. That's why quotation marks were invented. Could be useful to look into it. nt

[BlueCheese]

21. Maybe the OP (not me) should have used quotes.

Nonetheless, it was still obvious.

[yardwork]

46. Nobody uses quotes in OP titles.

This is silly.

[Art_from_Ark]

52. I do

They show that I am quoting someone else.

[Romulox]

57. He also didn't use quotes in the message body, and interspersed his comments

with those of the author.

[riversedge]

53. Its oK Romulox--we all make mistakes at times.

[Romulox]

56. Yes, but most of us learn how to use quotation marks by Middle School. nt

[sheshe2]

23. Perhaps you should click on the link.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. Capitalists are the enemy.

Clinton is a capitalist with zero moral compass. We have too many of those already.

[floriduck]

35. Give me a K, give me an R!

You, sir, are correct.

[retrowire]

47. Le Taz is a lady.

And she is correct! lol

[floriduck]

59. Many thanks for the correction. nm

[Dems to Win]

18. I support Bernie, not the BernieBros

Some of the harsh anti Hillary stuff makes me wonder if I really want to be with the BernieBros (the Doug Henwood cover, as an example).

I don't think Bernie is being served well by his good ol boy brain trust. They've never won a contest against a female opponent, and I don't think they are up to the task. The condescending comments by Jeff Weaver about considering Hillary for VP were just obnoxious.

Symone Sanders is the national press secretary for the campaign, yet the people speaking for the campaign are Tad Devine, Jeff Weaver, and M. Briggs. Not a good look to put forth as the face of the campaign, imho.

If Hillary is the nominee, I'll vote for her. As will Bernie.

[whatchamacallit]

25. Got another one

y'all are coming out of the woodwork...

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. Do you want to bet whether Sanders will endorse Clinton?

[whatchamacallit]

30. And?

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. So you agree he will then?

[whatchamacallit]

34. I believe he will out of comity

Not sure what that's supposed to mean to me tho.

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. He will becauae he is a better Democrat

Then some who only claim to be on DU and that is a fact.

[whatchamacallit]

58. Lol

You guys have been posting continuous "but he's not a democrat!!1!" wharrgarbl for months, and now you say that with a straight face...

[RichVRichV]

83. Only when it can be used to bludgeon his supporters. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

27. Oops, you blew your own cover!

[Cal33]

29. Bernie Sanders himself is going to vote for and endorse Hillary Clinton should she

win. I don't see how Bernie fans could refuse. Democrats have got to stick
together at that point in the game. Hillary would at least help keep a
half-dead Democratic Party half-alive, and get to fight another day. She
could quite possibly change the political orientation of the Supreme Court.
I know, the SC is supposed to be neutral; but the fact is, it isn't.

Right now the Supreme Court is already Republican. Add to it a Republican
White House, Senate and House in 2016, and we'll have a Fascist dictatorship
in our country. My guess is that they didn't do it during GWB's time because
they felt they weren't strong enough. And a failure at this kind of thing
carries severe consequences. But the Republicans have grown in strength
since. Also, more Democrats are aware that Republicans could be thinking
of this . So, they are not likely to delay a Fascist takeover any longer.

Can't these people see this?

[NurseJackie]

54. +1

[RichVRichV]

86. This is what amazes me.

We've already lost the supreme court. Since 2008 we've lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, and 13 Senate seats. The status quo isn't working. It's failing in an epic fashion! So instead of using the primary to pick the best candidate when we have a chance to make a real change in our party, our focus is going towards corralling everyone into supporting the inevitable status quo once we finally get to the generals!


Can we actually worry about the general election once we get to the fucking general election?!




(note: that rant wasn't directed at you Cal33, just felt like venting)

[artislife]

87. This is primary season.

When I see all the " I support Bernie but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee" posts, I just see Hillary sitting there thinking she has our votes whether she needs to earn them or not.

I say, she has to earn them. She has to wake up thinking, what if the Left up and left the party? She is willing to work hard for other factions, she should work hard for us. We may not be so willing to believe in her, but she's a fighter and took on the republicans which according to some, is the HARDEST thing to ever do. So we should be a piece of cake.

But one that is not just handed to her on a silver platter.

[mcar]

33. K&R

[Number23]

36. Rec'ing in honor of the people so hysterical and desperate to attack they couldn't even be

bothered to take the .09 seconds it would take to figure out that your "I'm a Sanders supporter..." comments were from the article you posted and not from you.

[Skidmore]

37. Thanks for the article.

The author is correct in his analysis.

The hostility that has been present among Sanders' supporters since the BLM protest has driven two voters in this household away. Until then, we were both very seriously considering Sanders. Between the open hostility by supporters toward the AA community and toward women, we changed our minds. Who a person surrounds himself with matters. The responses since BLM have essentially underscored for us that there are Sanders supporters who cannot be counted on to stand by you in times of trouble. That has been our take away. We have a couple of friends who have also made the same decision. We are in Iowa. We will caucus on February 1, and we will all caucus for Hillary.

[Cha]

45. Thank you for your report on the ground in Iowa, Skidmore. It's their overkill and not caring

how low they go in hopes of trying to make Bernie look better.

And, lo and behold it's had the opposite effect. Image that! Well, you can.. you've experienced it.

[JimDandy]

82. All of your DU recs have been for Clinton.

Noone is falling for the "Oh we were thinking about voting for Bernie BUT..." There is an ideological divide in the Democratic party and Clinton is on one side of it and Sanders on the other. Those who support Sanders for the primary would not have supported Clinton and vice versa, regardless of either of their supporters' behavior. It is not believable to pretend otherwise during the primary season. There's going to be a fight, starting in Iowa, for the soul of the Democratic party and there should be.

[artislife]

88. The way Hillary surrounds herself with Kissenger, Hedge Fund Managers and

fundalmental Christians and her supporters has done the same on my end.

[pengu]

38. I saw that on Salon, I stopped reading at the title

[riversedge]

40. Try reading this..... from the article. It is a good article.....

......I refer to this trend as “inevitable” because, as a Sanders supporter myself, I’ve heard this sentiment privately uttered in numerous conversations with (otherwise sympathetic) minds. More recently, it was articulated by H. A. Goodman in an editorial for Salon arguing that “I want an honest progressive, not a Republican, which is why I will not support Trump or Clinton. Bernie Sanders will win the presidency in 2016 because there are millions of people like me, and I’ll no longer be intimidated by the phrase, ‘You can’t let a Republican win!’”

There are three problems with this reasoning – one factual, one strategic, and one ethical. Let’s address them in order.

1. Hillary Clinton may not be as liberal as Bernie Sanders, either in her background or current policy positions, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t liberal.

There are plenty of valid liberal concerns about Clinton, from her decision as Senator to support the Iraq War to her unsettling coziness with Wall Street. While this certainly places her to the right of Sanders, that does not mean that she isn’t a liberal herself. During her husband’s presidency, Clinton took the lead in pushing for a progressive health care reform plan that was thwarted by many of the same special interest and ideological groups that later coalesced against the Affordable Care Act. Throughout the ‘00s, Clinton developed a reputation as a staunch legislative progressive, accumulating a record that placed her to the left of 85 percent of her fellow senators. There are even issues like gun control in which Clinton’s stance makes Sanders seem conservative by comparison. As Harry Enten recently explained at FiveThirtyEight.com, “Clinton rates as a ‘hard core liberal’ per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a “hard core liberal,” Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama.”

Of course, none of this would mean very much if Clinton wasn’t also campaigning on progressive policy stances. This brings us to our next point.......

[pengu]

42. Yep, about what I figured

No, she isn't liberal. No, she isn't a progressive.

[MisterP]

43. our enemies are war and Wall Street, not just because of what they've taken from us

but because of what they've been given by our supposed friends

[1monster]

48. But... but All of your DU Recs are for Hillary threads...

[Blue_In_AK]

49. If you block quotes from other sources,

then people won't make the mistake of thinking these are your own words.

[jalan48]

50. Hillary isn't perfect but if she wins the nomination we will need to continue to advocate for

progressive policies. We won't go away simply because we lost this time around. Look at it as an on-going process and who knows, Hillary could surprise us with what she does. Let's stay positive.

[zalinda]

51. This is all so much bull

The fact is, that dems will vote for Hillary, because if she is the nominee they feel they have to. The repubs will crawl over glass to vote against her. The indies will say, no thanks and stay home.

All these people don't understand. No one except the repubs have a problem with Hillary's social positions, it's her economic positions and war hawk positions that are bad. It's the poor that will be squeezed again, just like they are with Obama. For those who have money, or think they will have money, Hillary is not a bad choice. It was the same with Obama, he promised a good economic and anti war game, but didn't follow through, and Hillary is the same.

No cola again this year, no relief for school debt, mortgage debt, or outsourcing of jobs, but plenty of money for those who already have money. Young people have to join the military to have a job, and they are getting killed (murdered is more like it). A college certificate is worth nothing, H1-B visas are taking over good paying jobs, and more people are moving back in with their parents, sometimes whole families.

The American dream is no longer a reality.

Z

[stupidicus]

55. sure she is

the thirdwayer types share the responsibility for the current state of foreign and domestic affairs with their rightwing masters. That's the ugly truth her and her supporters are running from, and changing it is what Bernie ran to and with, and what he's been all about from the beginning.

We're also sick and Mcpucking tired of the lesser of two evil choice they are trying to foist on us again, and I personally am growing sickest of them looking down their noses at those who have serious conscientious/moral objections to her candidacy that even the fear of rightwingnuts no longer allows them to ignore.

Shame on people like that.

[yallerdawg]

61. What could be clearer?

Senator Sanders (I-VT):

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

[Bleacher Creature]

64. This petty garbage needs to stop.

Seriously, people can't agree that a woman who has been a lifelong Democrat, a former First Lady, Senator, and SoS isn't "the enemy." What the hell is wrong with people?

[byronius]

68. There's a standard human psychological phenomenon at work here.

Bernie will vote for Hillary in the general if he loses the primary; some Bernie supporters won't, many will. Many human beings adopt a person, or a creed, or a practice as their own, and then promptly impose their own psychological patterns on whatever they've adopted. It's a classic trend, seen everywhere -- like Christianity, a verifiably socialistic religion used at least in part to justify hoarding, torture and murder by people who seize upon it and pour their own darkness into it.

A Bernie supporter that won't do as Bernie would do (in his logical, straightforward, utterly common-sense fashion) and support the Democratic nominee whoever they may be is, I believe, engaging in this projection of one's internal psychology into a chosen person, creed or practice.

I was at a party once in 2000 where I engaged in conversation with a group of young Greens who were all certain that Al Gore was 'just as evil' as George W. Bush. If they couldn't have Nader, they proclaimed, then they thought the world should be forced to suffer Bush -- the idea being that the lessons of catastrophe are the only path to a bright future. The imperfect as the enemy of the good, etc.

In the end, as it turned out, no one seemed to learn a fucking thing. People are fucked up in the head, logic is scarce, growth is incremental, and the next Republican president will likely do far more damage to the human race than Bush did.

So, in this case as in 2000, ideological purity will come at the expense of all that is green and good in the world. The theory is bullshit; people never learn from pain, and it will only get worse. It is every man's right to make that choice, and it's my right to call it out as being personal angst injected illogically into the campaign of an honorable man who personally knows better.

I'm voting for Bernie, and then I'm voting for the democratic nominee, JUST LIKE BERNIE SANDERS WILL.

[DianeK]

70. this is the primary season..this is how it is done..

I will not concede defeat to this neocon

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. Posted to for later.