Bernie Sanders still hasn't solved the biggest problem standing in his way of beating Hillary Clinto

[riversedge]

Hillary is taking nothing for granted and is working for every vote.



http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-bernie-sanders-black-voters-2015-11

Bernie Sanders still hasn't solved the biggest problem standing in his way of beating Hillary Clinton

Maxwell Tani

Nov. 11, 2015, 12:04 PM 5,305 8


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) has proven to be an adept presidential campaigner, harnessing a wave of grassroots support to seriously challenge long-presumed front-runner Hillary Clinton in several key states.

But Sanders still faces an enormous electoral problem: He cannot seem to find support among minority voters, whose votes are necessary to win a Democratic nomination.

Two new polls released on Tuesday found Sanders in poor standing in South Carolina, the crucial third-nominating state where, in 2012, the majority of Democratic primary voters were black.

According to Public Policy Polling, Clinton led the state, with 72% of likely Democratic voters saying they would support her. That compared to just 18% who backed Sanders. And among black voters, Clinton garnered 86% support to Sanders' 11%.

Similarly, a Monmouth University poll of Democrats in the Palmetto State found Clinton's overall lead at 69% among likely Democratic primary voters, compared to Sanders' 18% support.

Sanders represents a state where individuals who identify as non-white make up only just more than 6% of the population, according to the US Census Bureau. ....................



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[jkbRN]

1. Ok

[BlueCaliDem]

3. Wow.

How mature.

[jkbRN]

9. If you would like to talk about maturity,

I would be glad to chat. In my view, it's quite sad when people talk about racial groups as if they are playing cards and not people. Moreover, to perpetuate a narritive such as a "race problem" or a "white problem" about another democratic who is working hard to introduce himself to voters--that's either immature, or just a slimey political tactic (which most people would like to see gone). I'm sorry that you can't see what you are doing to the Democratic Party nor the way people view this party (as well as the candidates), especially when dem voters use race as a strategy against another dem candidate.

[BlueCaliDem]

22. I was clearly pointing out your initial post that was anything *but*.

But I have no inclination to discuss anything with a poster who believes pointing out Sanders' low numbers amongst minorities is somehow playing the race card - or as you put it, "talking about racial groups as if they're playing cards". Nice try, though.

[Aerows]

52. It is quite disgusting

and I said so even before seeing your reply.

I'm glad that there are others that see through this paper-thin horseshittery.

Please excuse the language, but it is the only way I can describe it.

[riversedge]

20. Have some manners and vomit into a bucket.

[artislife]

30. I see this as a visual

for the fact that this OP has been posted in many forms ad nauseam.

Well done, dkbRN

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Well, another OP is saying that a *mock election with "100% accuracy) shows

Bernie winning both the primary and the G.E.

It predicted Senator Obama's win in 2007, and President Obama's win for re-election in 2011.

I don't see how Sanders can win the primary without the minority vote. And they're not warming up to him.


[font color="red" size="3" face="face"]Edited to replace "poll" with "mock election" in the subject line.[/font]

[Dr Hobbitstein]

4. That's not a poll, though.

It's a West Illinois University mock election.

[BlueCaliDem]

6. Made the correction. Thanks, DH.

In all fairness, polls aren't 100% accurate, either, so this mock election has about the same chances of being accurate as polls do.

However, I still don't see minorities warming up to Bernie Sanders, and without them, I can't see how he can win the primaries.

[Jester Messiah]

7. Because Hillary's putting in the shovel work to illegitimately undermine Bernie.

She and her underlings throw shade on Bernie, trying to make the case that he's out of touch or insufficiently committed to healing racial strife, when that's utter bullshit. And then when anyone tries to defend him, they're castigated for "not listening."

We're supposed to applaud her for this bullshit?

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. LOL ... Sometimes it really is, as it appears to be. eom.

[Jester Messiah]

12. And sometimes people just want someone to yell at.

Far be it from me to keep you from venting at the guy who isn't the problem. Hope you don't regret it later.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. It wasn't yelling ... at first ...

venting at the guy who isn't the problem.

Is it possible that the "venting" you hear is a request/demand that he, as a presidential candidate, be a part of the solution?

[Jester Messiah]

14. And has he not expressed a willingness to do so?

And does his record not indicate that he is genuine in this?

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. his genuineness is not in question. Never has been ...

Though, he has expressed a willingness to ... offer folks that are telling him they are dying of thirst, a sandwich, because a bunch of other people are hungry.

[Jester Messiah]

16. That's fair

Maybe we can work out a deal where everyone gets half a sandwich and a drink.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. That would be fine, except ...

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Some don't need the sandwich, and some those that do need the sandwich, can't eat it because of their thirst, and (the vast majority) those offering it don't need/can't use the drink.

[Jester Messiah]

19. Then they can trade what they don't need for what they don't have.

Fuck's sake, are you intentionally being difficult?

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. Reading your response ... I was wondering the same about you.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. Yea...because, of course, minorities can't think for themselves, right?

They just can't discern what's well-funded propaganda vs what's beneficial to them and their families.

[Jester Messiah]

24. No, clearly you know everything and have nothing to learn from anyone.

I mean really, what could anyone tell you that you don't already know? So perfect, so complete is your knowledge, the rest of us should bow down in thanks just for the opportunity to bask in it.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. You forgot your sarcasm thingy.

[Jester Messiah]

44. And yet, you picked right up on it!

Have a cookie!

[BlueCaliDem]

48. I forgot my sarcasm thingy.

Gluten free cookie? Otherwise, no thanks.

[Jester Messiah]

49. Whatever you've got in the pantry.

Apropos of nothing, I myself am partial to peanut butter cookies.

[Scootaloo]

26. You know hat that's the entire point of propaganda, correct?

To instill a reality into the recipient's mind while leading them to believe it's their own opinion and nothing more. It's not a question of "not being able to think for yourself," it's a question of having that ability subverted and guided to a result desired by the propagandist. And it's also not a question of intelligence. There is not a person alive who has not been swayed by proaganda of some form or another.

After all, if it didn't work, nobody would ever invest money into advertising, woul they?

[BlueCaliDem]

27. Of course I do. That's why what Jester posted is totally ridiculous.

Propaganda doesn't work on skeptics and the distrustful, and I haven't met a single Black, Hispanic/Latino, or Asian - especially Asians - in this country who isn't innately skeptical and distrustful. Therefore, to assume (or accuse) that Hillary Clinton and "her underlings" are throwing "shade on Bernie, trying to make the case that he's out of touch or insufficiently committed to healing racial strife" is utterly ridiculous.

In order for that to happen, one has to assume that minorities can't think for themselves and that is, in addition to being offensive, a pretty dumb and racially insensitive premise.

[Scootaloo]

29. Are you seriously arguing that only white people are succeptable to propaganda techniques?

Seriously, cut the "more catholic than the pope" routine for a moment. everyone is vulnerable to propaganda, regardless of how they identify, because propaganda plays off some basic human psychological stuff.

Skepticism isn't immunity. The key to propagandizing to a skeptic is to play on their ego and sense of intellectualism. You see cruder efforts at this in advertising. A good example s the old Sprite advert, "Image is nothing, thirst is everything, obey your thirst." - saying to the consumer, "look, we know you're hip to all the advertising techniques, the gimmicks and celebrity spots. We know you don't buy that. here's our tasty beverage, buy it if you want. Whatevs." And you know what? it was wildly successful.

Distrust? Oh man, distrust is even more exploitable. Distrust is at the center of every bit of the shit you might hear from right-wing AM radio or fox news. The best technique is to get your target audience to distrust voices other than your own. You know. That dastardly liberal media. Those fucking sanders supporters in their gingham shorts. Those third-way corporatism stooges. Etc. Isolating the mind you are trying to propagandize to effectively gives you a captive audience.

It's not a question of intelligence or cognitive ability. Brilliant people are manipulated every damn day.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Nooooo. YOU are. I'm arguing that propaganda doesn't work on skeptical and/or distrustful PEOPLE

and that I haven't met a single Black, Hispanic/Latino, or Asian who isn't innately skeptical and distrustful.

[Scootaloo]

42. Well, you're simply wrong

[BlueCaliDem]

43. Well, your opinion doesn't constitute a fact.

[Scootaloo]

45. It's not opinion. I'm informing you of how propaganda functions

[kristopher]

39. Outstanding series of posts, Scoot. nt

[Aerows]

53. I can't believe you had to explain this.

It's like explaining why a sunny day is due to the sun in the sky. I hope you can explain the tides so that maybe Bill-O will get a clue.

I made a typo and almost called him Bull-O.

[artislife]

33. ^^ this nt

[artislife]

32. This Latina

gets tired of this meme from the h camp.

[BlueCaliDem]

35. This Asian

gets tired of the conspiracy theories from the B.S. camp.

[artislife]

37. Well, you are lucky

they aren't using your minority to slam the side you are on.

[Aerows]

55. I personally don't care if you are the Queen of England

Manipulative posts like this designed to make Bernie look bad are about as successful as collecting hens teeth.

Everyone on the board knows that he has been a champion of civil rights.

Apparently while Hillary was trying to join the Marines and coming under fire.

If I was the leader of the DNC and wanted a Cabinet position, I'd want Hillary Clinton to speak as little as possible. You have two illustrations of why.

[BlueCaliDem]

60. Well, I'm not, so good catch!

Just as an aside, no one is making Bernie look bad but Bernie's supporters and Bernie himself.

[Aerows]

61. The only people making Bernie supporters look bad

are Hillary Clinton fans that have repeatedly slandered us as racists, out of touch hipster males.

I fit none of those categories, and neither do my fellow Bernie supporters.

What you have done is bitten off more than you can chew if you think intimidation, insinuation and outright dereliction will prevent us from casting our primary vote.

If the lot of you haven't gotten a clue that we do not see Hillary as a viable candidate in the GE for a shit-ton of reasons, you've lost the plot.

[BlueCaliDem]

62. Yeah. You keep telling yourself that, Aerows.

[Aerows]

63. I'm big on being honest with myself.

I hope it catches on that Bernie is the candidate we need before we are screwed with a candidate that has so much baggage a 747 couldn't carry it.

Do you not question the hell out of her judgment with that song and dance she pulled the *DAY BEFORE* veterans day about how she couldn't enlist in the Marines?

There is horseshit, and then there is some serious fucking horseshit.

[artislife]

31. So goes the meme

I don't believe the polls are entirely accurate.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. We'll see come February 2016.

[artislife]

38. We will. nt

[whatchamacallit]

5. I know, isn't it wonderful?!?

[Armstead]

10. Is this like a daily ritual?

[jkbRN]

11. I think so &

It's quite sad.

[Ron Green]

17. This is a no-brainer.

People who are struggling in this country have been successfully shut out from the means of their own empowerment.

The political machines, the media, the toxic culture - none of these will encourage or support a deep systemic change. It's just another ball game, or "Survivor" show.

[Cha]

25. "But Sanders still faces an enormous electoral problem: He cannot seem to find support among

minority voters, whose votes are necessary to win a Democratic nomination."

Is it any wonder?

#MmmOhMyGod



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=26215

[Recursion]

40. "We can win, especially if we score more runs than they do" -- Yogi Berra

The biggest problem for all the candidates is getting more delegates at the convention than the others.

[bobbobbins01]

41. Hillary still haven't solved her biggest problem either...

Bernie still has a very good chance of reaching minorities before the election.

Hillary's biggest problem on the other hand is Hillary, and I don't think shes going to be able to fix that before the time comes.

[William769]

46. Kick & highly recommended!

[PBass]

47. Kicked and recommended. Bernie is simply not running an effective campaign.

He is certainly a good candidate. But he's not running a good campaign, IMO.

[Aerows]

50. It is absolutely fascinating

how latched on to this meme of "Hillary is loved by minorities" and "Bernie is detested by minorities" some have become. That's your campaign strategy?

I can't think of a more immature campaign theme that that one.

I mean, Really? Do you think Bernie Sanders is a racist and his supporters are racist, too?

This whole pile of bullshit just went around the bend. You can stay and stir in it, if you choose to, but all it will do is stink more.

Have mercy, folks, let's be adults for a change.

[MFM008]

51. he hasnt changed

the fact he is a 75 year old white male, jewish socialist who cant win states like Virginia.

[Thinkingabout]

54. Clinton is running a very good campaign, she went on listening tours, listened to citizens and then

Incorporated the messages into her agenda. She doesn't go out shouting when she is speaking, treats those who come to hear her with respect. She respects them and in turn they give her respect. Works well.

[Aerows]

57. She shouldn't go

talking about trying to join the Marines. She should never have said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia.

If you are committed to voting a demonstrable liar, I won't stand in your way. I just can't aid and abet which is why I am a Bernie Sanders supporter.

[gordyfl]

56. Hillary's Fundraising Tour

Hillary went on her listening tour for the purpose of collecting more money for her Super Pac.

When she declared her candidacy she had to change her Super Pac from "Ready for Hillary" to "Ready Pac". Those are the rules. Jeb Bush used the same campaign strategy.
When her Super Pac became "Ready Pac" she had to disassociate herself from the Pac (wink-wink).

[Aerows]

58. After the story that the Marines

turned down an Ivy League candidate that would have been immediately instated as an officer, I don't think anyone in even Clinton's organization is unaware that she tends to tell tall tales.

Sniper fire?

Here, I'll help. Embellishment. Doctoring up the truth. etc.

[artislife]

59. OMG, I hadn't heard this....Bernie has trouble with minorities

If only I had known that as a Latina, that I was supposed to vote for Abuelita because she loves us and will protect us...unless we are at the border and under the age of 18, and that she will tell us what is good for us.

If only I had known, I wouldn't have gone to a small gathering of 12,000 other people to hear Bernie. I thought he wanted me and the diverse crowd to have a better life, to do it together...unite.

If only I had known that it is better to stick to my own kind, like Anita told us in West Side Story.

It is too late. The bern has happened. I will turn my back on my people and vote for a man who sees the content of my character first, instead of the bloodline that crossed the southern border.

So sad, so sad.