What do you think is going on here?

[boston bean]

And 43 percent of Democrats said they would enthusiastically support Mrs. Clinton as their presidential nominee, compared to 35 percent for Mr. Sanders. Slim majorities of women, nonwhites and older voters said they would enthusiastically back Mrs. Clinton as the party’s choice, while just three in 10 male Democrats said they would feel that way about her as their standard-bearer in 2016.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/12/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-maintaining-lead-over-sanders/

[BootinUp]

1. To summarize all the poll findings, looks bad for Bernie. nt

[firebrand80]

2. She's going to have a problem with men in the GE

She's a good candidate though, she's got time to figure it out.

[Sunlei]

3. I think Sanders & Clinton should team up so everyone will 'like' at least half of the team.

and that team would beat the heck out of the entire stage full of Republicans.

[BooScout]

5. Looks like some men...

...may be feeling threatened by a strong woman to me. Same as in many areas of American society.

[NorthCarolina]

6. You win for providing the "connection" the OP was hoping to solicit,

However, I don't believe it is "sexism" at play here. Rather, it's Hillary's binding connections to Wall St. and Third-Way that are the source of her problems, not her plumbing. Keep trying though.

[whatthehey]

16. So women don't care about those things? The difference is the question

Majority of women....30% of men. Wall Street and "Third Way" explain that delta how?

[Hortensis]

35. Pew did a study on this,

Women and Leadership: Public Says Women are Equally Qualified, but Barriers Persist.

"Among Democratic women, fully 69% say they hope the U.S. will elect a female president in their lifetime.

This compares with 46% of Democratic men, 20% of Republican women and 16% of Republican men."

(There is concern that GOP attitudes toward HRC may have influenced their responses.)

And, yes, this clearly shows that running as a woman is still very much an uphill race.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/01/14/women-and-leadership/

[ismnotwasm]

9. This is common in every other profession woman are making progress in.

Studies, papers, blogs, editorials, anecdotal stories--all over the place. I have to ask, Why would it somehow be otherwise in politics? The standard default answer is that it's Hillary herself, not gender--convienently ignoring that gender is a problem.


It's not that I don't understand the denal, it's that I understand it too well--been a feminist for far too long to listen to too much bullshit without questioning it.

[BooScout]

10. Exactly...

Having worked in corporate America for decades, it's nothing new. It's what the vast majority of women deal with on a daily basis, although the fact that we deal with it is denied by many.

[Armstead]

11. Yes people do react to people based on a wide variety of characteristics

Gender is one of them. For some people that is more important than others. And in some cases it is an advantage and in others a disadvantage.

A large part of the support for Clinton is because she is a woman. And some see her female characteristics just as part of an appealing persona. Females feel solidarity, see her as a standard bearer to break an important barrier.

Some of the opposition is that for some men, the fact that Clinton is a woman who is so assertive is viscerally off-putting. Some of those are sexist pigs. But others may be more "enlightened" but still have a visceral response based on subconscious expectations.

But that's just one of the matrix of factors that determine how people respond to people. In addition to the unfair visceral factors, there atre legitimate reasons for the way people respond to Clinton or any otehr candidate.

I'm a male. If Clinton had a history, and positions, and her political alliances that I agreed with or felt comfortable with I'd be all for her. Likewise, I really like Bill';s personality and if his history, etc. were different, I'd be all for him too,

It also works the otehr way. How many people react negatively to Sanders because they see him as a cranky old New York Jew? No matter what positions, history, they just immediately react negatively. Perhaps, they later respond more favorably, but that initial impression plays a part.

Every person has to deal with a complex combination of factors in the way people react to them. Gender is one of them.And obviously those biases need to be changed. But it is not the all-encompassing explanation.

[BooScout]

14. When statistics show a 7 out of 10 ratio

It tells me that there is something else in play rather than just not liking her for her policies. Especially when compared to her ratios of support among other identifying segments of voters.

FWIW, I don't support Clinton because she is a woman. I support her because it is my opinion that she is the best qualified candidate. I don't see anyone else in the field in either party that has the broad range of experience that she brings to the table. Experience from the Executive Branch,, the Legislative Branch, Foreign policy, women's issues, human rights issues, etc.

[Armstead]

15. I'm not denying that some of that is sexism

But 1)It is one of many factors and 2)How we are supposed to change the normal give-and-take behavior of politics to accommodate a particular candidate?

It is a larger social issue regarding deep personal values and human responses. One election isn't going to change that, even if she wins and had a symbolic milestone.

[BooScout]

17. We change it one step at a time....

Something we women have been doing for centuries. It can be very disheartening to see such bias after so many lifetimes of trying to change the world's view of women.

[Armstead]

18. I'm sure it is

I'm sincere about that.

Moving beyond ingrained attitudes that have been embedded in society and in human psychology forever, is tough, and multilayered and often frustrating.

And, although I am obviously not a supporter of Clinton, I can honestly understand how disheartening those stats are in that context.

[mcar]

12. But only men are anti-Wall street

That's why they don't support Hillary. Or something.

[boston bean]

21. you summarized my reaction, well. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

13. And yet men who vote for other women happily don't want to vote for Hillary because she opposed

our right to marry other men who happily vote for women who have no history of citing their religious objections to our lives. Try to deal with it.

[Betty Karlson]

7. Roughly taking into account the majorities of enthousiastic support among

non-whites and elderly voters, and taking into account that some of those are men too, it also means that Mrs. Clinton has nearly zero traction with young men - and that could spell a big problem for her, as she will need the millennial vote especially in the GE.

And no, that's not because she is a strong women and millennial men are afraid of her. It's because she is a corporatist and millennials are fed up with Thirds Way promises and broken policies.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. This jumped out at me.

And 43 percent of Democrats said they would enthusiastically support Mrs. Clinton as their presidential nominee, compared to 35 percent for Mr. Sanders.

I thought all the enthusiasm was on the side of the Vermont independent.

[firebrand80]

19. That's most likely a name recognition issue

That number would climb for Bernie if we had a long Primary

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. The data suggests Clinton supporters are firmer in their support

Mrs. Clinton enjoys a firmer base of voters than Mr. Sanders, according to the poll. Fifty-four percent of her supporters said their minds were completely made up, while 58 percent of Mr. Sanders’s supporters said they had not made a final decision.

What does have to do with "name recognition" ?

[firebrand80]

25. you're comparing apples and oranges

How firm you are in your support of who you will vote for in the primary is different from how enthusiastic your GE support will be.

What I'm saying is that I think that more Democratic would decide that they could enthusiastically Bernie as they got to know him better.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I am comparing Democratic primary voters. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Mrs. Clinton enjoys a firmer base of voters than Mr. Sanders, according to the poll (of Democratic primary voters). Fifty-four percent of her supporters said their minds were completely made up, while 58 percent of Mr. Sanders’s supporters said they had not made a final decision.

Thank you in advance.

[el_bryanto]

20. I think that Men feel more comfortable in our society

and therefore feel that they can stand on principal more - they can stand with Bernie even if he isn't the nominee. Their rights won't be as infringed on if a Republican wins. Their economic situation won't be as affected if a Republican wins. They'll be frustrated and disappointed but they won't feel defeat in the same way that a woman or a non-white will.

So because of that comfort they can feel more comfortable attacking HRC for the many centrist and right wing positions she's taken over the years. They can point out that the changes needed to fix our unjust economy aren't likely to happen under Clinton.

That doesn't mean they are wrong per se - Clinton is a moderate centrist who will probably be good on Woman's issues and Racism. She isn't likely to push for much reform, but she will protect the reforms already in place.

Alternatively it means that Bernie Supporters are insensitive to the needs of women and non-whites and as such should be ashamed.

Bryant

[jeff47]

22. So we're rescheduling Thursday from "Sanders is racist" day to "Sanders is sexist" day? (nt)

[restorefreedom]

24. getting hard to keep up with the schedule changes. nt

[boston bean]

27. Nope.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. It's explained in the article.

Sanders supporters stand out as especially engaged with the presidential race. Fifty-four percent of them said they were paying a lot of attention to the campaign, compared with 38 percent of Mrs. Clinton’s backers.

We're paying more attention.

[Walk away]

30. Yet 58% of Bernie supporters aren't completely sold on him!

So apparently, they are paying attention to Hillary too

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. We'll see.

[Walk away]

32. Didn't you read the entire article? That's what it says.

I don't have to make things up to support my candidate!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. We'll see how it turns out.

What do you think I said?

[Walk away]

29. It means that people like, support and will vote for Hillary Clinton no matter....

how loud and pushy Bernie and his supporters are. So...what else is new?

[ljm2002]

34. "no matter"...

..."how loud and pushy Bernie and his supporters are"

Really? Gosh, I wonder what kind of stereotype you're pushing here?