this if probably going to get me flamed from both sides, but hang singly, we die

[w0nderer]

LOOK!
I don't like Hillary, that's ok, she's left of US center of political spectrum
I do like Bernie, he's very left of US center of political spectrum

here is my point
have you seen the opposition?
trump
carson
rubio

and we are fighting each other?
can we all spell 'we are too stoopid to figgure out how to win'?
can we all spell 'this is how we loose'?

i'd prefer Bernie or O'm to win, i'll deal with H
but fighting internally NOW only helps 'R'

so if you want to
cool, go join the R light crowd and jump up and down at being a happy looser!

hang alone, hang as a small group, revolutionize as an army!

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. very left of US center???

and that pretty much nails it...because the other night we tried to find someone further to the Left of Bernie....all we could find was poor poor Socialist Eugene Debs...who Bernie apparently models himself after....

[TheBlackAdder]

3. That is the craziest Poli-Sci Chart I've seen! Conservatives Have Social/Liberals have Economics! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. Conservatives? Like Nate Silver????

It provides you ALL the datapoints that it measures..those datapoints...public record.

[TheBlackAdder]

10. Part of the problem with politics is the myopic view some have.

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There are various social and economic issues that drive both parties.


Just read, for just a simple Progressive view, Teddy Roosevelt's Osawatomie speech that Obama modeled one of his after. Without going into a political science breakdown of it's interpretation--suffice it to say that the simplistic chart provided does everyone injury!


https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/06/archives-president-teddy-roosevelts-new-nationalism-speech

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/06/remarks-president-economy-osawatomie-kansas


Nate Silver - really? He's what you use to describe the aspects of politics and their intersections? He's a great statistician...


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[VanillaRhapsody]

11. It was based on what YOU said....

Politics in the United States...

and Nate Silver is a Statistician...its what he does for a living...and not just for politics.....I think I will take his OPINION of the data that chart represents....and that is what it is based on their public record.

Can YOU name ANYONE who was to the Left of Bernie Sanders that ran for President?

[TheBlackAdder]

14. The crazy chart, read it. Actually read it. It's either social or economic. Both sides are blended.

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That's what I was posting, not the antithesis.

I was trying to convey that Conservatives ALSO have social issues and Liberals ALSO have economic ones.


That crazy chart implies polar extremes.


Just because no one is left of Sanders, does not place him at the 100% left aspect of any chart, there is room to go!

I think that my favorite politican, Shirley Chisholm, comes close.


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[VanillaRhapsody]

16. I HAVE read it...many times...including the data it represents...

So has Nate Silver... Have YOU???

[TheBlackAdder]

17. It presents an ignorant concept of politics.

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Nate Silver is a great statistician, but that chart shows political ignorance, especially the way you presented it.


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[bobbobbins01]

4. You're acting like that is a bad thing.

But that is one of the main reasons I'm voting for him.

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. That wasn't my point....look at the graph.

Now tell me...WHO has run for President that is to the Left of Bernie Sanders....

[TheBlackAdder]

18. The position you placed Sanders is to the left of Joseph Stalin! Why? I can't answer that! nt

[bobbobbins01]

20. Who cares?

He's on the left, I'm right there with him...however many people are further left is irrelevant to this race.

Plus your chart is flawed anyway, if he's that far left, how could he possibly be to the right of Clinton on guns? That alone would mean there is still room to move left, but your graph doesn't allow for that.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. It's called Primary Season

It's when we discuss differences between the Democratic Presidential candidates. Welcome to politics.

[w0nderer]

9. LTH long time no see

i agree it's a primary

but a primary that makes people say "Ef it..i won't if it's not my rep" <<---this is bad

we can should work as a unit, or just toss shit at the glass and act like chimps and expect to get bfed by the scientists

oh and politics...i only spent 32 years doing that shit in europe...you guys don't do politics, you do mudslinging and bribing
prove me wrong this election!

[artislife]

40. ^^^this.

If we fight amongst ourselves for the best candidate to lead the charge, good

OPs like this celebrate obedience for the sake of obedience and not for anything good.

[randome]

5. No flames here.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

[w0nderer]

21. only one, thanks!

i didn't hurt any squirrels making the post either...so far

i did support a few squadrons of them that were rabid! *Jk*

[aidbo]

7. YOU ARE WRONG!

You will definitely be flamed for this.

[w0nderer]

12. um thanks ...i think?, horrible i suggest we work together nanya? n/t

[Codeine]

8. This is the time when we rip each other's throats

out over five or ten percentage points of ideological difference between candidates.

We'll get past it. A few die-hard dickweeds on one side or the other will have to get booted but the rest of us will brush ourselves off and get on with the next part of the job.

[w0nderer]

13. and loosing 5-10%

of the vote possibly doesn't worry you Codeine? (i normally read your posts with respect but...? )

[Codeine]

19. We don't represent the electorate.

We're the liberal subset of the political junkie population. We're the subset of THAT population that argues online, with the complete sentences, proper punctuation, and organized thoughts entailed therein. And we're the subset of THAT population that uses DU.

I'm not altogether too worried about the idea that we're going to lose any significant number of votes to this argument. President Obama did fine without the handful of PUMAs that flatly refused to support him, and Clinton/Sanders will do fine without the die-hard BernieBros/Clintonistas that blindly refuse to support our candidate in the general.

[delrem]

22. What does "left of center" mean, nowadays?

She's very much to the right of Obama on matters of war and foreign policy, and I daresay she's to the right of Obama on economic policy as well. In her recent Brookings speech she vowed to govern to the right of Ronald Reagan in matters to do with the ME and elsewhere - or at any rate, she applauded Reagan's outlook and vowed to add more stridency to it. She vows to embrace Israel and Netanyahu ("Bibi", to her), the two of which she seems to identify, and to do a reset after the Obama setback, bringing her administration into solid Republican alignment. Exactly how is that different than Rubio?

She says that she'll govern in a "purple space" where her bipartisan skills will allow her to negotiate with Republicans, and all we see from her is how she likes to punch down. She disrespects "progressives" and brushes off concerns for economic justice, claiming instead to be a paragon for racial and social justice abstract from such inelegant concerns.

That's not "left of center" except in a wonky Alice in Wonderland kind of way.

[w0nderer]

23. --point--anyone with a neutral mind--made--

please read though this thread, and try to figure out why D's have a hard time winning

we...are...our...own...worst...enemies...
and proud of it!

[delrem]

24. What I see is that you're trying to avoid a discussion of actual issues.

Your OP is only one step removed from being yet another "loyalty oath" OP, saying "my way or the highway, loser!", as if that's the only argument capable of being said.

But no. People will insist on discussing issues, regardless.

[w0nderer]

25. look at you trying to blow people out for TOS

good on you

and you prove my point thanks


this is the work together we get
'i'll fuck you over as hard as i can' <<--woooohoooo impressed on left loyalty

[delrem]

26. Discussion of actual issues will "blow people out for TOS"?

That's a new one.

[bravenak]

27. .

[lovemydog]

28. Yes. That's a coalition.

Coalitions are vital to meaningful progressive change.

No flame from me wOnderer.

[w0nderer]

30. one of the few thank you

[lovemydog]

31. I know, right.

A lot of people seem really pissed off.

You could post 'the sky is blue where I'm living' and you'd get a bunch of people saying you're a liar because it's not blue at night.

[w0nderer]

33. wait..it's not blue at night?

ummm yes it is, however less light shows it at black!


ooh lovemydog...thanks!

[Warren DeMontague]

29. it's lose, not "loose". Sorry, pet peeve. Especially if you want to talk spelling.

Philosophically, of course, you are correct.

However, primary season is always a series of clusterfucks and barroom brawls around here.

Ignore the shit-flinging, it'll be over eventually.

[w0nderer]

32. I'll take it

lose vs loose
my bad..3rd language apologies
I'd love to talk spelling if I can learn from it


second line
i wonder how many real "du members" would join in cf and BB here?
i'd love to see the blood?


wilco Warren..thank for calm down bro

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Right on. I need to remember to take my own advice.

[w0nderer]

34. take a look at this thread

and figure (and it was intentional)


we all should work together!

now read the thread again
sad isn't it?
how people won't agree
so so sad



they can win because they have a TEAM
or we can win because we have a ...T...umm no can't stand T how bout x...no..how.
......dammit!

[Raster]

35. I am not yet sure which Democrat I favor, but one thing I do know...

...I will do whatever it takes to make sure a Republican is not elected the next POTUS. Whatever it takes, period. There is far, far too much riding on this next POTUS election: it is all about the SCOTUS, period. Whatever it takes.

[w0nderer]

36. taking a look

this is the 'cooperation' that's available on the 'left'


and we expect to win?
will someone please clue in

[PowerToThePeople]

37. Hillary is left of center?

[w0nderer]

38. for the us spectrum ...

yes hillary is left of centrum


in the rest of the world she'd be right wing fanatic