Will Hillary's supporters vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination?

[demwing]

I see this asked of Bernie's supporters once a week. Turn about is fair play.

[Dem2]

1. I support both candidates

So I'm not sure if I qualify. Of course this means I'll support whoever is the nominee.

[winter is coming]

2. One a week? You must have more people on ignore than I do. n/t

[randys1]

3. I dont know if they will, probably. But isnt the reason the question is usually the

other way around because of all the self proclaimed comments about NOT supporting Hillary no matter what?

I know that is why I am so engaged here.

I know i either see that said directly or indirectly, all the time.

I also know that the meme of HIllary being unelectable, or Bernie for that matter, benefits ONLY the GOP

[Arkansas Granny]

6. I'm voting for the Democratic nominee. That's as plain as I can say it.

[Cassiopeia]

99. Maybe the reason some proclaim not to support Hillary under any circumstance

is because we see so many posts demanding fealty before a single vote has even been cast.

Bernie's fighting for equal treatment for all people, regardless of label. Bernie is asking us to help him fight for fair wages for those with the least and taxation on those with the most.

I have but two votes to give for President in 2016. I won't swear to my second before I cast my first.

[randys1]

104. So others attitudes about the candidates can effect how you vote?

[NCTraveler]

4. Yes. Without a doubt. Nt

[KaryninMiami]

5. Yes. I support my party

And will vote for our candidate. Period. Plus, while I don't anticipate him being the candidate, I'm a big Bernie fan.

[Codeine]

7. Absolutely. With enthusiasm, even.

Why on Earth wouldn't we? I've not seen anyone supporting Clinton making idiot noises like "Hillary or Bust."

[demwing]

9. post read here today "peddle socialism elsewhere"

doesn't sound like someone who would ever vote for Bernie, does it?

[Codeine]

12. I can virtually guarantee that poster would vote for Sanders in a general election

on the exceeding off chance that he could secure the party nomination.

[demwing]

30. I asked them

they never answered.

They were PDQ with the insults though...

[NanceGreggs]

8. I can't speak for all HRC supporters ...

... but I certainly would.

It would be a vote against the Republican rather than a vote for BS, but one's reasons for voting are a moot point when it comes down to counting the votes.

I think it is a fair question to pose on a political website - and I don't see the query as being a "demand for a loyalty oath", as many BS supporters apparently choose to see it.

[brush]

10. I have yet to see a Clinton supporter post that they won't vote for Sanders . . .

if he gets the nomination.

Conversely, I've seen many posters say they will write-in Bernie, or vote for a third party — the whole obnoxious "Bernie of Bust" sentiment.

[demwing]

19. But I've seen many examples of Bernie being insulted

called a bigot a misogynist, even a pervert.

If someone believed this, then how could they vote for the man?

If they don't believe it, then how could they ever say such things?

[brush]

20. That could be true, but if you're a regular here you know the anti-Clinton posts . . .

well outnumber the anti-Sanders posts. And many of them are quite harsh, but like I said, we still don't get the "Hillary or Bust" declarations like what comes from the Sanders camp.

[demwing]

24. I appreciate your effort to be reasonable

but you skirted the question.

If you call Bernie a pervert, or a bigot, or a misogynist, you are implicitly stating "Hillary or Bust"

If you are not (and I don't mean you personally) then what kind of a person are you?

I would never - COULD never vote for someone I publicly called a bigot, and the same goes for calling someone a misogynist.

[brush]

25. Anyone using your last sentence certainly does seem to paint themselves . . .

into a corner as far as not voting for a particular candidate.

[Codeine]

35. Of course I could vote for someone I called that.

I assume that, on some level, basically all white people are bigoted.

[Fumesucker]

87. Bigotry is like hypocrisy, everyone does it to a greater or lesser extent

I'm bigoted against people who spout their religion at me, don't tell me you're a Christian, let me figure it out.

[Agschmid]

93. Remember probably about ~5% of members are just trolls.

Here to get their kicks.

They aren't paid, they just know how to rile people up and enjoy doing it. Both sides have their clear trolls who really post just to piss others off.

[Starry Messenger]

11. Of course.

Letting a Republican win is selfish.

[JaneyVee]

13. 100%

[Godhumor]

14. Of course. The PUMAs aren't in the Clinton camp this time around n/t

[Aerows]

49. They weren't before, either,

when she lost the primary.

[Bleacher Creature]

15. Yes. Proudly. Not even a question.

[ffr]

16. Of course, without question.

Bernie's always been as outspoken and right on the money as Hillary or any Democrat with a spine. I could say the same of Alan Grayson. Yes, he'd get my vote.

It's like the choice between which ocean is bluer, the Pacific or the Atlantic. We can argue which is which, but overall we still love both oceans.

[leftofcool]

17. You betcha!

How's my Sarah Palin voice?

[BooScout]

18. Yep...

I will vote for and support the Democratic Nominee....whether it be Clinton, O'Malley or Sanders.

[gwheezie]

21. Of course

I'm not insane

[doc03]

22. Of course I would, anyone but a Republican. But I have seen countless

Bernie supporters here make the statement they won't vote for Hillary. I guess they would rather have a Republican if they can't get their way.

[demwing]

28. I understand your point, but there is an implicit "Hillary of Bust" mentality here

You don't have to say "Hillary of Bust," you just have to run around calling Bernie a bigot.

Who in their right mind would vote for a bigot?

When you (rhetorical you) say that, you either mean it or your don't.

If you mean it, why would you ever vote for the bigot?

If you don't mean it, then you're a horrible person for saying it (again, not pointing at you, just using the rhetorical "you&quot .

[doc03]

34. I haven't seen any of these Bernie is a bigot posts

you speak of. I have seen plenty of venom from the other side though. The venom from Bernie supporters has turned me off. But if he is the Democratic nominee I will vote for him.

[NurseJackie]

23. Without hesitation.

[MADem]

26. Sure. It's what a Democrat does. nt

[WhiteTara]

27. I support the nominee. nt

[Agschmid]

29. Yes!

And I would donate and volunteer.

[bravenak]

31. YES

[upaloopa]

32. Yes

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I don't think you will find one Hillary supporter that would not vote for Bernie if he were the nominee.

[Puglover]

105. Um not trying to play gotcha at all.

But start reading here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251727159#post156

[upaloopa]

107. What has that got to do with the OP?

All of us will vote for the nominee. We are built that way.

[Puglover]

108. LOL

Okay.

[quickesst]

33. My opinion...

... is that this is a question that shouldn't have to be asked on Democratic Underground. It should be in the dumb question, no brainer, and what the fuck kind of question is that category. It is also my opinion, that when the primaries are over, and a nominee has been chosen, those who declare publicly that they will not support said nominee, should no longer be a member this site. This is after all, Democratic Underground, not "Let's Undermine Our Democratic Nominee/President Underground".
But, to answer the question because to my dismay, it has to be asked, yes, I will support, and vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is.

[doc03]

38. I have seen a good many Bernie supporters say they will not vote for Hillary

if she wins the nomination.

[quickesst]

67. And I have never heard...

... a Clinton supporter say they would not vote for Bernie. There may be someone who has said that, but I have never seen it. If he is the Democratic nominee, and they continue saying it, then they should not be a member of Democratic Underground either.

[liberal_at_heart]

96. and only on DU is it a crime to not vote for the nominee. DU is not the real world people.

The majority of the country feels that neither party represent them and they do not vote for anybody.

[demwing]

39. "to my dismay, it has to be asked"

With the level of incendiary rhetoric I've seen directed at Bernie here, it absolutely has to be asked.

[Aerows]

50. Indeed

But in the end, most Dems will do the right thing and fall in for the nominee. That is why it is critical that it is not Hillary Clinton.

[quickesst]

56. I personally don't believe...

... it is a fraction of what Hillary has had to endure. Still, I stand by my statement, which has nothing to do concerning the amount of" incendiary rhetoric" each candidate has had to endure, and what we will have to endure should a Republican become president.
If Hillary becomes the nominee, and you, or anyone else chooses not to support or vote for her, I don't believe you or they should be a member of Democratic Underground. Likewise for anyone who would not support or vote for Bernie. Same thing. I don't believe they should be a member of Democratic Underground either. It's just that simple.

[demwing]

65. "a fraction of what Hillary has had to endure"

You're missing the point.

This isn't about who got hammered first, or hardest.

Some Bernie supporters say sharply critical things about Hillary, but they openly state that they will not vote for her,
whereas some Hillary supporters will say some really terrible things about Bernie, and then ask why anyone would ever doubt that they'd vote for him.

How do you trust that type of person?

[quickesst]

76. And you...

...missed my point by changing it to your point. Let me make it as simple as I possibly can. If after the nominee is chosen, if anyone, A-N-Y-O-N-E continues to rail, lobby against, or cry, piss, moan, and groan about a Democratic nominee, they have no business being a member of Democratic Underground. There is an abundance of opportunities on the internet for that. It should not be tolerated here.

[Codeine]

70. Absolutely agreed.

Well stated.

[quickesst]

80. Thanks

I just think it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I got to go watch Fargo now

[LuvLoogie]

36. Probably, if he decided to accept the nomination.

[firebrand80]

37. Yes. I would probably even donate to his campaign.

[JoePhilly]

47. + 100

[moobu2]

40. He wont win it so I dont have to worry about that.

[MiniMe]

41. I lean more towards Bernie

But I will support whoever the democratic nominee is

[PowerToThePeople]

42. Once an hour is more accurate.

eom

[Andy823]

43. I have never seen any of them say otherwise

Same with the O'Malley supporters, never seen one of them say no either.

The only candidates supported who have said "NO" to voting for the "other" candidate are some who "claim" to be Bernie Sanders supporters, but then again they my only be saying that they support Bernie but actually are only trying to stir things up and divide the posters here on DU.

[demwing]

45. It's implicit

please read my post #28 to understand what I mean:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=792632

[cosmicone]

44. Absolutely

Not only that I'll vote for the nominee but donate, volunteer and offer resources to get the nominee elected.

[JoePhilly]

46. Absolutely ... happily.

We understand the stakes.

[JoePhilly]

48. In fact I bet every member of DU's Hillary group would say YES.

[Aerows]

51. And the day may come where they

have to prove it.

[JoePhilly]

52. We'd do it happily.

Many in your camp, sadly, would rather let a Republican win ... to teach us a lesson.

I'd say "ask them" ... but that's not really necessary, is it?

[Aerows]

54. It really isn't.

I just wonder why they keep asking *US* here on DU?

[JoePhilly]

58. Well ...

... many in your camp repeat the same "Hillary is evil" OPs over and over and over.

Why would you not expect to be asked this simple question in return repeatedly, particularly given many of your members are quite happy to say that they'll never vote for Hillary under any circumstances, in OPs that do not even ask the question at all???

[Aerows]

63. Surprisingly

I don't camp. Too many bugs, and it gets hot.

Other than that, I recognize why the question is repeatedly asked.

I'm rather stunned that you are so out of the know that you are asking me.

[JoePhilly]

66. You are in a camp even if you fail to realize it.

[Aerows]

68. Well that sounds ominous and unconvincing. n/t

[JoePhilly]

71. I'm not trying to convience you of anything.

Those in DU's Hillary' camp would happily vote for Bernie were he to win the nomination.

We can not say the same of DU's Bernie supporters.

Just a fact.

[Aerows]

75. Just because *you* believe you have seized on a fact

does not make it true.

Yes, Bernie supporters will vote for her in the GE, but actually, we are going to be about the only ones voting for her besides the die-hard Clinton supporters.

Open your eyes, and open your mouth. Talk to a Democrat in your world, where ever you are and ask them what they think of her. Talk to anybody on the street while you are getting coffee, ask them what they think of Bernie Sanders.

That's where the ship is sinking once again.

That's also why I know we will be voting for Bernie in the GE. The Democratic party has matured, and it isn't going to vote against their own interests.

[JoePhilly]

83. I am taking DU's Bernie supporters on their word.

Many of them say they will NEVER vote for her. But you think they will.

You think Hillary won't win. Humm.

Did you think Obama would CAVE and cut social security? Slow walk ending DADT? Make all the Bush tax cuts permanent? Invade Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iran? Did you think we needed a primary challenge of Obama in 2012?

If Bernie wins the nomination, I'll vote for him happily. I'll donate to him. Call on others to do the same.

You seem sure, but its not going to happen.

And I'm not sure why you think I need to go talk to people in "my world" about this ... I'm guessing you think I do not already do that. Perhaps you think the only people I talk to are on DU.

Wrong again. And I find your attempt at claiming some "mature" high ground on that point rather amusing.

[Aerows]

79. I don't personally think the American People

can survive another third-way or Republican presidency.

I'm going to do all that I can to make sure that doesn't happen.

[demwing]

57. "but that's not really necessary, is it?"

Honestly, I'd wager that for some, their public answers would differ than their private answers.

[Aerows]

60. Indeed.

We come full circle.

You and I are not the ones that are dizzy.

[JoePhilly]

61. Why?

Who do you think they'd vote for if not Bernie?

I mean, the Bernie folks who won't vote for Hillary are suggesting that they will either stays home, or vote for some one else.

Hillary supporters are saying, "we'll vote for the Dem nominee, period."

You are reading something more into their responses ... we're responding to EXACTLY what many of DU's Bernie supporters are saying.

Seems obvious to me.

[Aerows]

82. We need to make sure it is Bernie we are voting for in the GE

By voting for him in the Primary.

I do not disagree.

[JoePhilly]

86. You should feel free ...

... to do all you can to have Bernie win the primary.

I will be voting for Hillary in the primary if my state is still in play.

Regardless, I will be very happy to vote for Hillary or Bernie, or MO, in the general. And I will encourage others to do the same.

[NanceGreggs]

55. The way things stand right now ...

... it will be the BS supporters who have to "prove" whether they stand with Democrats for the good of the country, or whether they take their ball and go home because there's only one "win" they're interested in.

[JoePhilly]

64. I tend to think ...

... the majority of Bernie supporters will vote for the nominee even if its not Bernie.

Those who won't ... a small but angry part of DU, and some other fools who think the country has to collapse so that their version of utopia can rise from the ashes. Unless is a Tea Party Theocracy that rises from the ashes, which is why the Tea Party nuts also want to see a total collapse happen.

Both are wrong. But they both see the collapse as a required part of a future in which they hold control.

[RandySF]

53. Yes I do.

I don't think Hillary supporters are the problem when it comes to supporting the nominee.

[HassleCat]

59. I assume they will

I have seen a few comments that make me wonder, but very few. Only a handful of DU Clinton fans hate Bernie enough to make me think they would refuse to vote for him. My fellow Bernistas, on the other hand, can count among their number relatively more people who suggest they will not vote for Clinton in the general election. Of course, this could be because Bernie fans are more vocal, but I think they are expecting anger and disappointment if Bernie isn't the nominee. Me too, but I knew it was a long shot from the beginning. I've been a democratic socialist for 35 years, and this is the first time anybody has even come close to a presidential nomination, but it would be more than a miracle if Democratic voters suddenly woke up one day and said, "We're tired of all this Third Way crap, and losing elections at all levels! Time to go progressive!"

[demwing]

74. It is a long shot

but it may be the only shot we've got. That's why so many Bernie supporters are so adamant. For some, it's not that they see Hillary as the enemy, it's that they just don't see her as anything resembling a solution.

[HassleCat]

78. This is our only chance

The phrase "once in a lifetime" actually applies here. I will not get another chance to vote for a democratic socialist or a real progressive before I die. This is it.

[demwing]

84. I told my son

"If you don't vote for Bernie, you may never get the chance to vote for someone like Bernie, I know I won't"

I feel ya, HassleCat.

[lovemydog]

91. I hope we all have plenty more chances

to vote for democratic socialists, at every level.

[OilemFirchen]

62. How's this thread working out for you? (n/t)

[demwing]

72. Excellent, thanks!

If you were thinking otherwise then I'm sorry to disappoint you.

However, I doubt you would guess my motives, so I understand why you ask...

[OilemFirchen]

77. You're welcome.

My pleasure.

[NuclearDem]

69. I'm an O'Malley supporter, and would vote for any of the candidates in a heartbeat.

[ronnykmarshall]

73. Of course ...

[brooklynite]

81. Maybe it doesn't get asked regularly, because the answer has been clearly stated before...

...of course they will.

[lovemydog]

85. I'm supportive of all three candidates.

I don't think any one of them is perfect.

Yes, I will vote for the democratic nominee for President.

[Codeine]

88. I wish more posters could see that.

We have three fantastic candidates. Stop bitching and revel in our absolute superiority over the Klown Kar Klub.

[lovemydog]

89. I love you.

I love anyone who acknowledges that.

We need a coalition that defeats failed 'trickle down' economic claptrap for good.

[kelliekat44]

90. Do you really think we would vote for the GOP? Of course, I will vote of Bernie if he is the

candidate.

[demwing]

102. Not what I asked, is it?

Nowhere in the OP did I imply that anyone would vote for the GOP

[Rose Siding]

92. duh

(Though the point is moot.)

[Gothmog]

94. I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what

If Hillary Clinton drops out, O'Mally or Joe Biden are far more likely that Sanders to be the nominee but I will support Sanders if he is the nominee

[Beacool]

95. Of course, why wouldn't I?

I will support the Democratic nominee.

If Sanders' supporters are being asked that question it's because some of them stated that they wouldn't vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. That's an attitude that in my opinion is childish and selfish. They are not looking at the larger picture. I would take any Democrat over a Republican.

[demwing]

103. There is an implicit "Hillary of Bust" mentality here

You don't have to say "Hillary of Bust," you just have to run around calling Bernie a bigot, or a misogynist.

Who in their right mind would vote for a bigot?

When you (rhetorical you) say that, you either mean it or your don't.

If you mean it, why would you ever vote for the bigot?

If you don't mean it, then you're a horrible person for saying it (again, not pointing at you, just using the rhetorical "you&quot .

[Beacool]

110. It's all political trash talk.

Hillary has been called far worse things on this site. I still expect those people to vote for her if she becomes the nominee, unless they are not really Democrats.

[demwing]

111. So talking trash about your fellow progressives is the Democratic Party way...

but voting your conscience is not.

Sad.

[Beacool]

112. Excuse me, but Sanders has been attacked far less on this site than Hillary.

I don't understand why all the complaining about it. It's politics.........

[demwing]

113. Hillary has been attacked on the issues

Bernie has been attacked because he's not Hillary. He's been called a bigot, a misogynist, and even a pervert!

if that's just politics, then it's no wonder that so few people vote in this country, they're absolutely sick of politics.

You don't get that yet?

[Beacool]

114. You must have not read the myriad of posts that spew RW talking points and personal attacks.

No, I don't like it at all, but acting as if Sanders has been attacked worse than Hillary is inaccurate.

[BklnDem75]

97. My answer is similar to this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251790936#post17

[OilemFirchen]

100. Ow!

I hope that poster doesn't see this "loyalty oath" OP. Prolly bust an important vein.

[demwing]

101. As I said in the OP - Turn about is fair play

not painful at all!

[applegrove]

98. I will fight for Bernie each and every day. I cannot vote as I am not American. But

I'll do my best to get the word out online to support Bernie Sanders and the Democrats.

[Adrahil]

106. Yep. Sure would. nt

[Nonhlanhla]

109. I think most will

I think most Hillary supporters are loyal Dems in the first place, whereas Bernie has a sizeable contingent of people who actually dislike the Democratic Party, who have often voted Green, and who support Bernie for himself, and not for the sake of the party. I'm not saying that to insult them - I just think that's a fact. So it's comparing apples and oranges. It is only natural that there might be a few more Bernie supporters for whom it is Bernie or Bust, given the makeup of the Bernie supporters.

I do think there might be a few Hillary supporters who will feel very disheartened if she loses to a male candidate again, and who might not other to vote as a result, especially if they perceive Bernie as not-really-a-Dem, but those are not so vocal on chat sites.

[taught_me_patience]

115. You've been completely owned in this thread

Go look at the drivel in the sister thread of Bernie supporters and compare it to here.

[demwing]

116. You assume way too much

You think I wanted Hillary supporters to reject Bernie. the truth is that you haven't got the slightest clue why I wrote the OP, what my goals were, or whether I've hit those goals.

You don't even know who I intended to be my audience!

Have a good day, stranger!