Will Bernie Sanders' supporters vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination?

[NaturalHigh]

Not intended to be flamebait - I'm genuinely curious how many Sanders people will vote for Clinton in the general election if she wins the nomination. For what it's worth, I'm voting for Hillary Clinton in the primary, but I will gladly vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee.

[Agschmid]

1. Most likely.

[Cal33]

25. More than "most likely," I hope. Who would want to help the Republicans to win?

[mmonk]

2. Many here will. Outside of here, I cannot say.

We don't know how much of those crowds are disenfranchised voters returning to the fold because of his campaign.

[jeff47]

3. Yeah, it's not like they just banned a long-term poster

for cut-n-pasting an article about people not willing to vote for Clinton. Didn't even have any commentary in the post.

So I'm sure you'll get a totally accurate picture of people's opinion.

[NaturalHigh]

5. I must have missed that one.

Due to circumstances beyond my control I haven't been here too much lately.

[jeff47]

9. Background

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069126
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128070820

That's why a bunch of people now have the fly gif in their sig.

And why a bunch of other people are gravedancing with a fly getting swatted gif.

[demwing]

14. Those fly-swatters call themselves "Democrats"

If that's how Democrats behave, were all fucked.

[SCantiGOP]

76. The flyswatter is a joke

I for one find it amusing.

[madfloridian]

99. It's not a joke, it's just plain celebrating.

it's like Oh goody a Bernie supporter got banned without warning. He got swatted.


It's not funny, it's shows poor taste and lack of empathy.

[840high]

108. Yes it does. Also great immaturity.

[artislife]

109. Great, I will take it

that you are not capable enough to add it to your sig line, but would if you could.

Buh bye.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. LIKE nobody KNEW what opinion he had was...

weak sauce...

[jeff47]

33. "Will never vote for a socialist" doesn't get banned.

Nor do plenty of other "refuse to vote" statements.

Yet apparently mindreading is now sufficient....but only in some cases.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. Because this is Democratic Underground not

SOCIALIST Underground

Psssst heres a clue for you...I am a Socialist Democrat

[jeff47]

40. And when that "socialist" is the Democratic nominee?

'Cause that was the context of the message. Of course, that person was explicitly stating their refusal to vote for the nominee, instead of quoting an article about other people making that statement.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. Theres a diff between

Democratic Socialism and Socialist Democrat...he wasnt a Democrat until He signed on to the New Hamshire ballot and proclaimed himself a Democrat...now. His words...

So now he is a Socialist Democrat not the reverse

[jeff47]

44. Not according to the poster I referenced.

But please, explain how that "Hillary or bust" statement is so totally and utterly different from a "Bernie or bust" statement.

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. When I get off this train to a computer I will prove it to

You...just like I just did for another DUer

And Hillary is and always WAS a Democrat.....Sanders himself until a couple days ago....still said he was not...thats why....

He said "I am a Democrat NOW"

His words.

[jeff47]

47. It's still promising to vote against the Democratic nominee in the post.

So tell me about how wonderful Jessie Helms was for the first 2/3rds of his career. He was a Democrat then.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. No it isnt.....where have I said that

I have said for months that he would HAVE to become A real Democrat to run on at least 5 state ballots.....because they DO require it.....even though the DNC doesn't
Starting with New Hampshire...to much gnashing of teeth and rending of garments....

As it turned out....I was right huh?

[jeff47]

71. And how does one become a "real" Democrat in a state you do not register by party?

You know who was a real Democrat? Strom Thurmond. Even registered with the party, again for the majority of his political career. So everything he did while officially registered as a Democrat was great, right?

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. as promised...

read the conversation that follows this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=790815

[Purveyor]

55. Uh nope she hasn't "always" been a Democrat.

Wellesley College years
In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.[19] During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans;[20][21] with this Rockefeller Republican-oriented group,[22] she supported the elections of Mayor John Lindsay and of Senator Edward Brooke.[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Wellesley_College_years

[beerandjesus]

48. Sure you're a socialist Democrat.

Cuz socialists just ALWAYS support corporatists over socialists!

And I was leaning toward Hillary till her supporters upset me so much that I switched to Bernie's side!

Yup!

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. I most certainly am

But not a Democratic Socialist who do not support any capitalism.....
..

Just like ai have said all along....

By the way.....the Nordic Model...Social Democratic.....

[beerandjesus]

52. No doubt, hence your vociferous support for Wall Street candidate!

Because of that Nordic model, like in Iceland, where the banksters went to prison!


Employing the same logic, I support Mike Huckabee because he's the candidate who best represents me as an atheist!

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. You have heard me use my voice?

You do know that Socialist Democrats do accept Regulated Capitalism right?

Democratic Socialists don't

[beerandjesus]

56. Atheists for Huckabee! Socialists for Hillary!

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. Nope she is a Socialist Democat

of the Nordic Model...

they are NOT the same thing

sorry to disappoint you...

[HassleCat]

81. Still with the "socialist democrat" stuff?

I have to admire your tenacity on this subject. Being wrong doesn't discourage you. I guess that's a good trait.

[VanillaRhapsody]

85. Sighhhhh....do I have to prove it yet again????

Okaaaaaay if I must!


Here...let's cut to the chase....read this conversation..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=790815

[HassleCat]

87. You have proven it to yourself. I think you can take a break now. (eom)

[VanillaRhapsody]

91. In that conversation

using multiple sources I have shown the difference between.

Communism (no Capitalism)

Socialism (no Capitalism)

Democratic Socialism (still no Capitalism..BUT elections)

And

Social Democracy..(Capitalism and Socialism combined....like the Nordic Model of Social Democracy....Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland....and Europe too)

[HassleCat]

92. I'm going to regret this, but I can't resist.

So, using multiple sources, you have shown no difference between communism and socialism, since they both boil down to "no capitalism." Is that right? And are you a social Democrat, or a socialist Democrat? And do you realize your definition of democratic socialism conflicts with the two US organizations that claim to be democratic socialists? I'm not sure you have clarified much of anything for the rest of us, but you seem to have done a great job of confusing yourself.

[VanillaRhapsody]

93. NOOOOO you did NOT read....that was directed

and I swatted the notion away that I was confusing Socialism and Capitalism....THAT was the impetus of the entire conversation! Because he accused me of Red Baiting...

So looks like I HAVE to go through this again....sigh...

[VanillaRhapsody]

96. Here you go

Socialism and communism both adhere to the principle that the resources of the economy should be collectively owned by the public and controlled by a central organization. They differ, however, in the management and control of the economy. In socialism, the people themselves decide through communes or popularly elected councils on how the economy should work. This makes socialism a liberal system because majority of the people have a say on how the economy should be run. Communism, on the other hand, controls its economy through a single authoritarian party. It is thus characterized as conservative because the economy functions based on the decisions of a few.

Read more: Difference Between Socialism and Communism | Difference Between | Socialism vs Communism http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-socialism-and-communism-2/#ixzz3r7jcahAA

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. So Yeah....I know the difference

Now DEMOCRATIC Socialists....agree with Socialists economically....they are opposed to Capitalism...the difference is they also believe in a government that is elected by the people.

Now Socialist Democrats....they accept Capitalism along with Socialism. They believe in a Strong Social Safety net and a Welfare state...

[Vattel]

89. You mean social democrat. Social democracy is not socialist democracy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. WRONG!

Ownership Structure

Communism:
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".


Socialism:
The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).

nothing "Red Baiting" about it....there is a difference...

[beerandjesus]

57. Hey, I just went over to hillaryclintonsupporters.com. Looks like today's play is....

....everybody pretend we're SOCIALISTS!

That will crush those evil sexistracistkenyanbenghazi Bernistas, if we say we're SOCIALISTS supporting Hillary!!


Or, to paraphrase you:

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. I said I am a Socialist Democrat...I do not know what you are...

Bernie WAS a Democratic Socialist....but he is sure reformed now isn't he?

Now he is like me...a Socialist DEMOCRAT!

"I am a Democrat NOW"


He who has the last


hardest!

I was right when I said that HE would HAVE to become a Democrat or NOT be included on State ballots that REQUIRE you to be a Democrat...SO he became one...even though he previously claimed he would be a hypocrite to do so!

[Romulox]

4. Let's check the magic 8 ball!

[jkbRN]

6. No, I will not.

I will vote for Jill Stein, the system needs to be changed. I won't vote for someone that will perpetuate politics as usual, especially after obamas terms and given the TPP.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Here is your pizza welcome to my ignore list...

[randys1]

51. On behalf of Women of child bearing age across America I will work extra hard to

get someone to replace your lost vote.

[Lil Missy]

7. Who cares. They have only themselves to blame for painting themselves into a corner. n/t

[jkbRN]

10. It's called the power of choice, no need to

criticize a whole group. I am sure 90% of Sanders supporters will vote for her, but I won't.

[Egnever]

32. Got an alert for that

On Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Who cares. They have only themselves to blame for painting themselves into a corner. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=791001

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Who cares"??? Such overweening contempt for a significant segment of the DU community is despicable and should not be allowed.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:37 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: These alerts only show how ridiculous DU is becoming.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh get over your old self alerter. You are just plain silly.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Who cares" is a figure of speech, elementary, but none the less, a figure of speech for some..
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No TOS's were violated.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give up on trying to alert if this is what you find offensive. Some of the GDP folks have the thinnest skin.

[Trajan]

36. WTF? ...

That post is SO mild and un-provocative ...

Somebody actually alerted that? ...

Grrr ...

[Lil Missy]

73. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!

Ever noticed how absolutely outraged and indignant some thin - skinned people get??

[ChisolmTrailDem]

79. What a stupid and lame alert! Alerter, if you don't want discussion, then leave. nt

[aintitfunny]

8. Absolutely I will

I prefer Bernie in the primary. I will support the Democratic nominee.

[winter is coming]

11. No doubt some will, but a lot of disenfranchised voters probably won't.

Bernie seems to be drawing a goodly number of people who don't want more of the same. Their support for Hillary would likely be tepid at best.

[4MyGrandson]

12. Party "loyalty" aside, the more important question is not those who usually vote - most will no

matter what (or whom). And most probably will support the nominee - even if a noseplug is needed. Dem support will probably NOT drop all that much.

As for rethug voters - as terrifying as a commie might be to the right, I do think that fewer of them will turn out to keep the "red" out of the White House than rabid cons who have hated Mrs. Clinton for decades and take it as holy sacrament that she must be stopped. As much as they hate Obama, it is basically "unAmerican" to be openly racist. With the progress of women in government, they can rationalize in order to feed their sexism but lay it all off on their hatred of the woman herself. Sanders will not generate as much "anti-voting" among that ilk.

A larger issue is the MILLIONS & MILLIONS of people who may not have voted in the past, usually because they could find no one who supported them.

Does anyone seriously believe that Clinton will spark something in those people that makes them turn out on election day?

But Senator Sanders DOES GENERATE excitement among the disenfranchised. It is far more likely that he will cultivate millions of new Democratic voters that would give him the victory.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[LiberalArkie]

13. I think it may be like the 1968 elections. RFK killed, the police riot in Chicago, riot inside the

Democratic convention the kids that were going to vote for the first time gave up. I don't know if they ever came back really. The adults that are for Bernie, sure they will vote for whoever the candidate is. The first time youth vote, who are getting turned on to politics, I really do not know. If the primary battle gets real dirty and HRC wins, they might get turned off and loose hope like Occupy did.

[bowens43]

15. I will not.

Just out of curiosity, if Trump or cruz ran as a democrat and got the nomination would you vote them in the general election? Is there anyone you consider to be so unfit for office , so morally and ethically bankrupt that you would refuse to vote for them even if they were on the ballot as a democrat?

for me, hillary is one of those people

[NaturalHigh]

18. "Is there anyone you consider to be so unfit for office"...

Of course - the two you mention just for starters. Jeb Bush also comes to mind. I wouldn't vote for any of those three on a bet.

[AgingAmerican]

16. This is posted every day here

Some days three or four times. Have a nice day.

[demwing]

17. That's none of your business

Votes are secret for a reason.

What I will say is that I have voted in every election year since I was old enough to participate, and the last election I'll vote in is the last one we have before I die.

Other than that...

[Rose Siding]

104. I respect that.

I like Bernie ok, but it really bothered me to learn he never voted until he was on the ballot himself for something. I can't relate, you know?

[leftofcool]

19. I vote for the Democrat. I don't care about anyone else's vote.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. Not intended to be flame bait.

Sure.

[whatchamacallit]

21. Ain't nobody's business

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. If Clinton wins the nomination, I will vote for the most progressive person on the ballot.

Which, I am confident, will not be Hillary.

[Robbins]

23. Nope

i will never vote for candiate who her and her supporters have inclined i am sexist and racist for supporting bernie.

I live In Missouri.no dem is carrying Missouri In 2016.so if clinton wins i intend to write in bernie and vote relcuently for other
dems on ballet.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. and a pizza for you too!

Welcome to the ignore list...

[ibegurpard]

24. Why not search

And read the responses in one of the daily threads that ask the same question?

[jeff47]

43. Can't fish for more TOS bans that way. (nt)

[Blue_In_AK]

26. Since Alaska hasn't voted for a Democratic candidate for president since 1964,

and since Hillary is not admired as much here as she might be in some other places, I'm pretty much free to vote for whomever I want, including a write-in if I choose. That being said, it's really none of your business how anyone intends to vote in the general.

[artislife]

110. True, any Democratic Alaskan's vote won't change the outcome of the election

Whether in the primary or GE.

Might as well vote for who you feel comfortable and really want to vote for.

[Blue_In_AK]

111. General elections are already called

before our polls close and our three little electoral votes are determined. It's midnight on the east coast by then.

[upaloopa]

27. I think we should not post these kind of OP's

for the rest of the primary. I think they are some of the most devisive. I hope we come together after we have a nominee.
Some will never vote for one or the other candidate. I don't think they will have an effect on the general election.

[Aerows]

45. I would think that a Hillary supporter

would continue encouraging a losing strategy. She lost once, why not do everything to help her lose twice?

[closeupready]

28. If she earns it. She hasn't yet.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. I've always said I will support the nomineee.

[JoePhilly]

35. Most will.

[restorefreedom]

38. since there have been so many of these threads,

i imagine you could glean the info from past ones. many people are pushing the tos as a way to intimidate er, coerce, er suggest - there we go- people vote dem in the ge, even though the tos only requires us not to actively campaign against the dem in a ge, as our votes are own.

last time i saw one of these i pledged to stay out of these discussions. since baiters and alerters have been busy, you might not get accurate info. as to people's voting intentions.

[PowerToThePeople]

39. .

[Aerows]

41. Wow, this question hasn't been asked daily

to implant the idea of an inevitable Hillary win over Bernie Sanders to influence and demoralize his supporters.

Will Hillary Supporters support Bernie Sanders when he wins the Primary?

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. Sanders will support Clinton and campaign for her...that is all that matters.

[NurseJackie]

58. His supporters will follow his lead.

[winter is coming]

66. I wouldn't bet on that. n/t

[NurseJackie]

67. There's a difference between his supporters

and Hillary haters. They're not the same.

[winter is coming]

68. I didn't say they were.

But it's not at all clear to me that Bernie supporters will support Hillary simply because he's decided to endorse her. If they were comfortable with a status quo candidate, they wouldn't be supporting Bernie in the first place.

[NurseJackie]

69. I guess I should have said "most"

instead of using words that could be misunderstood. I was vague, if not optimistic.

[Kalidurga]

61. I will do what I always do

vote for who ever I think is the best candidate.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

63. And off to ignore with another 'Get people to get themselves banned' OP poster. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

64. I really hope the admins are correct.

And all the people saying "no" now are letting their emotions get the better of them and will come around after the primary is over. Otherwise, some of the responses in this thread are terrifying in their pettiness and short-sightedness.

[Nonhlanhla]

65. It's too early to ask this of people

Many people are very invested in their chosen primary candidate. Two of those candidates will lose, and their supporters will have to find ways to deal with that. Let them do it at their own pace. I preferred Obama in 2008, but I felt for a close colleague who was a passionate Hillary supporter and only grudgingly supported Obama in the end. But she needed time to get there.

I think most will support the nominee, because once the GOP nominates one of their list of crazies, the frightening thought of someone like Ted Cruz in the White House will change perspectives. There will be few who will not vote, but this goes both ways. Yes, there are some Bernie supporters who will not support Hillary, for all the reasons they are so fond of telling the rest of us about. I suspect the opposite might also be true - I know of some older women who felt it very personally when Hillary lost to Obama last time, and who will feel it even worse if it should happen again, and who might just sit out the election if the nominee once again is a male. (I don't mention O'Malley's supporters - I think they already know that despite the fact that he's a stellar candidate, he's not likely to get the nod, unless Hillary is indicted and he inherits her support.)

For now, asking for loyalty pledges may not be realistic.

[smiley]

70. I'm an independent and a Bernie supporter...

and I will hold my nose like I always have.

However I personally feel that if Hillary wins the party nomination she will only energize the GOP base and will most likely lose. I know a lot of Independents who aren't as liberal as myself and their vote will most likely go to the Republicans. At least in my circle of friends.

If she does manage to win the GE, I can't imagine her doing anything to change to course of this country and I loathe the thought of having to vote for her.

[VanillaRhapsody]

84. oooooh frightening...

[smiley]

86. seriously?

That's a rather mature comment...

and one that suggests you are scared.

[VanillaRhapsody]

88. Well that IS what I said didn't ?

[ChiciB1]

72. WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! Say Yes Or Pay

the consequences. Last week or the week before we were already warned that THIS IS DU and we are supposed to support the nominee or face being banned.

I'm sure someone here can easily find the post. I know I read.

[WillyT]

74. I'll Get Back To You On That...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

75. Hell yes! Whatever it takes to keep an r out of that office. nt

[gabeana]

77. yup

no problem

[a kennedy]

78. I'm sorry, this is just a stupid question.....YES, ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL VOTE FOR THE NOMINEE.

PERIOD. Nuff said. We all want a Democrat elected President next November.

[99Forever]

80. Nunya.

[drray23]

82. do you guys take shifts posting bait threads ?

Come on, this question or a variation on it is posted at least once daily.

[merrily]

83. Aw, Jeez,

not this bit again.

[yourout]

90. I won't like it but I will for one reason alone......SCOTUS.

I know full well that she is/was/will be a Corptocrat but I would not be able to live with self if President Trump seated 3 more Alitos.

[opiate69]

95. ...

[dflprincess]

97. I will vote against the Republican nominee

by marking the box next to Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee - and I'll hate myself for doing it.

I do not trust her not to sell us out and I cannot call it voting for her.

[Major Hogwash]

100. I don't think many of Hillary's supporters will want to post here if Bernie wins.

I probably would feel the same way because after making 100s of snarky posts about the other Dem candidate, and then hanging around here after the other Dem candidate beats the shit out of your Dem candidate in the primaries, and then goes on to beat the shit out of the Republican candidate in the General Election -- the way Obama did in 2008-- it really didn't come as a surprise to me that so many bona fide Hillary supporters from 2008 quit posting here in 2009.

But, then again, losing face in front of an entire forum of people can't be all that comforting.

[GoneFishin]

101. Most people won't say, as I am sure you already know.

[Codeine]

103. But not saying IS saying, at least in this instance. nt

[azurnoir]

102. .......

[liberal_at_heart]

105. I will vote my conscience.

[BainsBane]

106. My position is close to yours

Minus the gladly.

[840high]

107. Not your business.