This is exactly the image that a Democratic Socialist is trying to convey:

[Buzz Clik]

... that he is such a freakin' Marxist that Che Guevara has a picture of him on a t-shirt.

As always, Bernie's biggest problem is his fan base.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. fortunately...

I am a Socialist Democrat....not a Democratic Socialist. And apparently NOW so is Bernie Sanders...FINALLY!

[AgingAmerican]

20. A socialist Democrat is the same thing as a Democratic Socialist

nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. No sir...it is most assuredly NOT...

Do not call someone from the Netherlands, Norway or Europe Socialists...even Democratic Socialists....they will SCHOOL you!

Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy (usually multi-party democracy) with social ownership of the means of production. Although sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", the adjective "democratic" is sometimes added to distinguish itself from non-democratic forms of socialism, such as the Marxist–Leninist brand of socialism.[1]

Democratic socialism is usually distinguished from both the Soviet model of centralized socialism and social democracy. This distinction arose from the authoritarian form of government and centralized economic system that emerged in the Soviet Union during the 20th century.[2] A distinction is also made between democratic socialism and social democracy in that the former is committed to systemic transformation of the economy while the latter is not.[3]

Democratic socialism rejects the social democratic view of reform through state intervention within capitalism, seeing capitalism as inherently incompatible with the democratic values of freedom, equality and solidarity. Democratic socialists believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by transitioning from capitalism to socialism, by superseding private property with some form of social ownership, with any attempt to address the economic contradictions of capitalism through reforms only likely to generate more problems elsewhere in the capitalist economy.[4][5]

However, "democratic socialism" is sometimes used as a synonym for social democracy, where "social democracy" usually refers to support for political democracy, regulation of the capitalist economy, and a welfare state.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

It boils down to...Democratic Socialists...DO NOT approve of ANY Capitalism....
Socialist Democrats DO accept REGULATED Capitalism...a Strong Social Safety Net...and a Welfare State.

[AgingAmerican]

29. They aren't socialists

They are Democratic Socialists. They do not have a socialist economic system, you made that up. The means of production is owned privately, not publicly as in a communist country.

Your post is red baiting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. I JUST gave you the DEFINITION!!!!

And here is Websters...

Full Definition of SOCIAL DEMOCRACY

1
: a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means
2
: a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices
— social democrat noun
— social democratic adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20democracy

[AgingAmerican]

32. You made up the so called definition

Hence no link. You are red baiting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. Made it UP???

Its IN Websters Dictionary...

Both posts have links...

[AgingAmerican]

41. "It boils down to...Democratic Socialists...DO NOT approve of ANY Capitalism"

Democratic Socialist economies have heavily regulated Capitalism (privately owned means of production). You are spinning yourself silly. More red baiting tripe.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Nope...they do not believe in private ownership of production.....

so therefore....NO capitalism


Socialist DEMOCRATS believe in Regulated Capitalism......not a revolutionary change in the current system.

[AgingAmerican]

45. You are describing Communism

You need to take a basic Political Science course then get back to us.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. No I am not....that would be GOVERNMENT ownership of the means of production...

And I didn't say Communism did I? Like I said...I KNOW the difference...

AGAIN for emphasis...

Democratic socialists believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by transitioning from capitalism to socialism, by superseding private property with some form of social ownership, with any attempt to address the economic contradictions of capitalism through reforms only likely to generate more problems elsewhere in the capitalist economy.

[AgingAmerican]

51. "they do not believe in private ownership of production"

Your words.

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. Not my words....

the definition....and yes...NO private ownership....they are Collectives....owned by the people

[AgingAmerican]

56. So the factories are 'collectives'?

Red baiting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. Not what I said is it?

Ownership Structure

Communism:
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".


Socialism:
The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).

nothing "Red Baiting" about it....there is a difference...

[AgingAmerican]

82. "NO private ownership....they are Collectives....owned by the people"

Yes, it's what you said. Zero private ownership of factories, collectivism AKA communism AKA more red baiting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

84. right

Ownership Structure

Communism:
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".


Socialism:
The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).


Socialism and communism both adhere to the principle that the resources of the economy should be collectively owned by the public and controlled by a central organization. They differ, however, in the management and control of the economy. In socialism, the people themselves decide through communes or popularly elected councils on how the economy should work. This makes socialism a liberal system because majority of the people have a say on how the economy should be run. Communism, on the other hand, controls its economy through a single authoritarian party. It is thus characterized as conservative because the economy functions based on the decisions of a few.

Read more: Difference Between Socialism and Communism | Difference Between | Socialism vs Communism http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-socialism-and-communism-2/#ixzz3r7jcahAA


Again...neither subscribes to Capitalism....but Social Democracy and Socialist Democrats DO!

[AgingAmerican]

93. "No Private Ownership"

Your words.

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. right...of the means of Production....

that is what Capitalism is.....private ownership of the means of production....the "owner" can KEEP all the profits...he doesn't have to share it with anyone!

[AgingAmerican]

96. That's what I have been saying

Capitalistic countries have private ownership of means of production. Communist countries (pure socialism) have communal ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialistic countries are mixed economies with privately owned means of production and community ownership of the commons.

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. No it isn't....you keep calling it RED baiting

RED is communism...I didn't say he was a Communist Socialist....

Democratic Socialism...is NOT the same thing as Social Democracy....BECAUSE one accepts Capitalism (the private ownership of the means of production) and one doesn't....


YOU are displaying true pretzel logic now......YOU said I was Red Baiting...you said I was confusing Communism with Socialism clearly I wasn't...YOU claimed I was the one that needed a Poli Sci course clearly that's false....YOU claimed that Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy were the same thing..when clearly they are not...You keep saying that Denmark is Socialist...when clearly the Nordic Model is NOT Socialism.

[AgingAmerican]

99. When you say means of production is collective

...in a Democratic Socialistic country like Denmark, you are red baiting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. No it is NOT

Its a Social Democracy...

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model


which is what I said from the start....Denmark is NOT a Socialist State...its a Social Democracy...BECAUSE it includes Capitalism....


If anyone is Red Baiting...it would be YOU because you keep calling them Socialist!

[pangaia]

119. Can you please turn off that blinking sign.

I want to read what you have to say but am getting a headache.

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. Nothing spinning at all....

Democratic socialists believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by transitioning from capitalism to socialism, by superseding private property with some form of social ownership, with any attempt to address the economic contradictions of capitalism through reforms only likely to generate more problems elsewhere in the capitalist economy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. And there is nothing RED about it...I know the difference from Communism...

I never said the means of production was government owned....

[AgingAmerican]

48. "They do not believe in private ownership of production"

Your words. You are tying yourself into a pretzel contradicting yourself.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. RIGHT....do YOU know what that means?

It means it is ALL collectively owned by the people...NOT the government....but NO one person OWNS ANY means of Production...thus NO Capitalism.

No pretzel at all....YOU are just not grokking...

THUS...Europe...Sweden...Norway...all of the Netherlands....Are Social Democracies...NOT Democratic Socialist States!

The difference between Democratic Socialists and Socialists is simply that the Democratic kind believe in elected govt...

[AgingAmerican]

52. Yes, AKA communism

Communal ownership.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. NOOOO...

In Communism...the govt owns it AKA China...

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. the Difference...

In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

most notably..

in Communism
Private Property Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".

in Socialism
Two kinds of property: Personal property, such as houses, clothing, etc. owned by the individual. Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the State but with worker control.


Note: Neither accepts Capitalism

[AgingAmerican]

57. In a communist country the means of production is owned collectively

Which is what you keep saying about Democratic Socialism. 'Collectively' and 'government owned' are not two different things. They are the same thing in a Democratic society.

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. I am not pulling this out of my ass....these are the Defintions

they are NOT the same thing...


in Communism
Private Property Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".

in Socialism
Two kinds of property: Personal property, such as houses, clothing, etc. owned by the individual. Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the State but with worker control.


Note: Neither accepts Capitalism


But Socialist Democrats DO accept Regulated Capitalism....thus a mixture of Capitalism and Socialism as the U.S., Europe. and the Netherlands...

Conclusion....Socialists are not Communists. Democratic Socialists are Socialists with an elected form of Govt. Socialist Democrats are a mixture of regulated Capitalism and Socialism. with a Strong Social Safety net..which is a Welfare State.

[AgingAmerican]

59. You need to take a basic poly sci class

Public means of production = factories owned by the state. Communism.
Private means of production = factories owned privately. Capitalism.

Democratic Socialism: a mixture of regulated Capitalism and Socialism

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. I just gave you one...

in Communism...there is NO ownership of ANY kind...including clothing and houses...but no Capitalism

In Socialism...there is ownership of clothing and houses...but no Capitalism

In Democratic Socialism...there is ownership of clothing and houses....but no Capitalism...but with an elected government

in Social Democracies there is Regulated Capitalism with a Strong Social Safety Net and a Welfare State. Examples are Europe and the Netherlands...and to a lesser degree the United States.

[AgingAmerican]

67. Democratic Socialism: heavily regulated Capitalism and Socialism

You are chasing your own tail. Have a good day.

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. No it isn't....that is Socialist Democracy...

You just refuse to believe that...


Social democracy is a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving welfare state provisions, collective bargaining arrangements, regulation of the economy in the general interest, redistribution ...
Social democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracyWikipedia

[AgingAmerican]

76. You are now officially arguing with yourself!

Without realizing it! If only you could run a little faster, you'd catch that tail!

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. Nope...still schooling you...

who refuses to accept the PROOF...because it doesn't square with your narrative!

[VanillaRhapsody]

77. and

Socialist critics often criticise social democracy on the grounds that it fails to address the systemic issues inherent to capitalism, arguing that ameliorative social programs and interventionism generate issues and contradictions of their own, thus limiting the efficiency of the capitalist system. The American democratic socialist philosopher David Schweickart contrasts social democracy with democratic socialism by defining the former as an attempt to strengthen the welfare state and the latter as an alternative economic system to capitalism. According to Schweickart, the democratic socialist critique of social democracy is that capitalism can never be sufficiently "humanized", and that any attempt to suppress its economic contradictions will only cause them to emerge elsewhere. For example, attempts to reduce unemployment too much would result in inflation, and too much job security would erode labour discipline.[150] In contrast to social democracy, democratic socialists advocate a post-capitalist economic system based on either market socialism combined with workers self-management, or on some form of participatory-economic planning.[151]

Marxian socialists argue that social democratic welfare policies cannot resolve the fundamental structural issues of capitalism, such as cyclical fluctuations, exploitation and alienation. Accordingly, social democratic programs intended to ameliorate living conditions in capitalism — such as unemployment benefits and taxation on profits — creates further contradictions by further limiting the efficiency of the capitalist system via reducing incentives for capitalists to invest in further production.[152] The welfare state only serves to legitimize and prolong the exploitative and contradiction-laden system of capitalism to society's detriment. Critics of contemporary social democracy, such as Jonas Hinnfors, argue that when social democracy abandoned Marxism it also abandoned socialism and has become a liberal capitalist movement,[153] effectively making social democrats similar to non-socialist center-left parties like the U.S. Democratic Party.

Market socialism is also critical of social democratic welfare states. While one common goal of both concepts is to achieve greater social and economic equality, market socialism does so by changes in enterprise ownership and management, whereas social democracy attempts to do so by subsidies and taxes on privately-owned enterprises to finance welfare programs. Frank Roosevelt and David Belkin criticize social democracy for maintaining a property-owning capitalist class which has an active interest in reversing social democratic welfare policies and a disproportionate amount of power as a class to influence government policy.[154] The economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan point out that social democracy requires a strong labor movement to sustain its heavy redistribution through taxes, and that it is idealistic to think such redistribution can be accomplished in other countries with weaker labor movements. They note that even in Scandinavian countries social democracy has been in decline as the labor movement weakened.[155]

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. and this

Ownership Structure

Communism:
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".


Socialism:
The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).

[Buzz cook]

122. It is my understanding that Marx

Intended Communism as a transitional state toward true Socialism. Lenin changed that by espousing a continual revolution that allowed the revolutionary forces to retain control of the means of production rather than the workers. Of course that devolved into dictatorship, just not of the masses.

[VanillaRhapsody]

123. We were not discussing Marxism

It wasnt even about Communism.....he tried to claim I was incorrect about what Socialism is...

[Buzz cook]

133. Yes, I understand

You're right and he's wrong.

I just wanted to point out one error.

[upaloopa]

2. It's an insult to the revolutionaries of the past.

[Buzz Clik]

4. If we are to be convinced that Bernie is truly electable in November 2016...

... this is not the image he needs.

[Armstead]

73. Thank you Dick Morris

[randys1]

9. I dont see it that way. Bernie is a revolutionary, proof of that is his message is

the same today it was 10 years ago, and it is a message that most others arent willing to say out loud.


Self sacrifice isnt part of Bernie's history as it is obviously with others, but I dont see it as an insult.

Bernie may not have the right way of delivering the message to get elected, but he is trying.

I ask myself what George Carlin would think of him, and I am pretty sure George would like him.

Now, if you say many (not all) of his supporters do a disservice to actual liberals or revolutionaries, then we agree

[upaloopa]

12. Our country was on the wrong side of the

revolutions in South America. The situation there was much worse than we have it here. There was only the very rich and abject poverty. Land reform was the key to economic equality back then. In desparation the revolutions turned to the Communists. We could have taken their side first and saved a lot of blood shed.
Bernie is not up against anything like that today in this country.

[randys1]

13. That is why i mentioned the self sacrifice or lack thereof. But you have to give him credit

before BLM or Hillary or even Barack, the guy was saying the same thing way back then that he is now about Wall Street and capitalism.

[upaloopa]

60. Me and Hillary and Bernie are within a few years

of each other's ages. We all grew up in lower middle class families. We all were aware of the struggles of people in the world in the 50's and 60's and 70's.
You are so wrong to say that Bernie is the only one who thought as he did during his life. My guess is you are much younger than me.

[randys1]

109. You misunderstand, I am saying before all of them because he is older and has been in govt longer

and I am also about your age.

Hillary has had some consistency as well, but on the main economic issue, it hasnt been what Bernie's has been.

[Luminous Animal]

113. I've never seen Hillary's upbringing described as lower middle class...

Here is the house she grew up in. Her dad paid cash for it. Her friends from high-school called their upbringing "sheltered".

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/16/413927185/growing-up-in-protected-americana-hillary-clinton-looked-outside-the-cocoon

[sufrommich]

3. I doubt that a Bernie fan did this,looks like a

right wing cartoon.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Actually not.

Clay Bennett leans left in his cartoons, and the Bernie Brigade here at DU have been delighting in it.

(I agree that only a true lunatic would consider Sanders to be as left as Che)

[sufrommich]

6. Then I guess I don't get it. Is a cartoon

suggesting that Sanders is to the left of Che Guevara a good thing?

[Buzz Clik]

7. A good thing? Not to my knowledge.

I have no idea where Bennett is coming from on this, but to embrace that image as somehow iconic of Sanders is beyond bizarre.

[Luminous Animal]

15. Who is embracing it? I'm on pro Bernie sites every day and this is the first I've seen it.

[FSogol]

91. It is already appearing in the sig lines of Bernie supporters on DU. n/t

[Aerows]

100. Whose?

Feel free to be specific instead of just launching an allegation out there with nothing at all to back it up.

[FSogol]

107. I saw it twice today in a sig line. Don't remember who. n/t

[demwing]

111. I had to erase my post, don't want to self delete.

Please donate to reversing Citizens United (link in sig line), it may be something we can work on as a group

[FSogol]

112. What are you talking about? Did I say anything about ALL Sanders supporters?

People in this thread are crying over a graphic that is being embraced by other Sanders' supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128072177

Take it up with them.

[demwing]

115. I posted too quickly, and erased my post. Sorry. /nt

[FSogol]

117. Thanks, but you should see the messages appearing in my inbox.

People are really losing their shit.

[TexasTowelie]

118. Check post #84 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251790041

[AgingAmerican]

22. Nobody is embracing the image but you

Nobody here has ever seen it before.

You saw this picture on the internet, thought you could smear Sanders supporters with, and you ran with it.

[Luminous Animal]

14. I just went through his cartoons going back to February and he is very supportive of

Hillary. In one, he shows all her "baggage" with the lids open and empty. In another, she his skipping over the graves of the Bengazi committee. He is definitely anti-GOP and pro Democratic but certainly he does not champion Bernie over anyone else.

I suggest you read my sig line, if you want to know how I feel about the cartoon.

[UglyGreed]

18. .

[Buzz Clik]

90. I agree that, to me, the cartoon is hardly flattering.

I dug through Bennett's cartoons, too. As far as I can tell, the Che cartoon is his first dealing with Sanders at all. Did you see others?

[Luminous Animal]

105. Nope. That is the only one I found.

[Eric J in MN]

124. So a pro-Clinton cartoonist is being portrayed in the OP as pro-Sanders. NT

NT

[Luminous Animal]

125. Yep. And telling us we are doing it wrong.

[Starry Messenger]

8. Ahahaha.

So wrong. Bernie is no Che, lol.

[Buzz Clik]

10. Exactly.

In no sense.

[Romulox]

23. LOL at you joining in mindless Red Baiting.

[Starry Messenger]

42. LOL at "leftists" who think Bernie has 1/8th the courage of Che.

Risible, shallow and ignorant.

[Romulox]

50. So instead, you will support the Third-Way Oligarch! Makes sense.

[Buzz Clik]

62. Hm. "Third-Way." Thank you for defining yourself.

[Romulox]

65. I wouldn't want the approval of a Red Baiter. But our faux-Socialist is eager for it! nt

[Buzz Clik]

70. "Third Way!" "Red Baiter"!

Name calling: It is the way of the Avid Sanders Supporters.

[Romulox]

72. If the McCarthyism fits...nt

[Buzz Clik]

87. Yeah, baby! You're on fire!

[Romulox]

89. It's sad that your OP is considered acceptable here. Our entire community should be ashamed. nt

[Romulox]

94. I'm not a member of the Sanders forum. I just know hateful rhetoric when I see it. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

132. Fucking classic.

You crack me up, you know that?

[riversedge]

11. Well since Sanders does the Revolution shout out--I suspect you will see lots more

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)

of these type cartoons.

[NCTraveler]

16. The arrogance this image displays is astounding.

Are you sure this isn't put together by a rwinger? Even to the point of making Sanders look wore out.

[arcane1]

33. He's on the left, but pro-Clinton. There are some other examples of his work in this thread.

Typical red-baiting by the Clinton Camp.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Awesome!

[99th_Monkey]

19. Ooooo! Scary!! Bernie supporters so bad. Nt

[Romulox]

21. More pathetic Red-baiting from DU's rightwing fringe. nt

[NCTraveler]

25. Is there a list of this fringe?

Or is it like porn, each individual just knows it when they see it?

Am I a part of the right wing fringe? lo fucking l.

[Romulox]

27. Lists are more your team's style. As in "Are you now or have you ever been..."

[NCTraveler]

31. I have no list and find your insinuation laughable at best.

So, are you reference me? Is it like porn? Do you have a list you can share?

This is what you found to be important in this discussion. Lets flush it out. I mean flushing it down would be more appropriate but I'm in the mood to play with a string. Lets discuss your concern of rwing duers. I will start with the easiest of questions. Who are you talking about? Don't back away now. Name names. No need to hide after that insinuation.

[Romulox]

34. We are discussing the disgusting OP. You interjected yourself into this. nt

[NCTraveler]

38. Beep Beep Beep!!! Back it up.

Didn't think so. And the whole "interjected" thing is hilarious. This is a discussion board. It is completely about interjection. I wouldn't want to elaborate if I made your initial comment either. I'll put the string down. It's been fun.

[Romulox]

39. Nope. I stand by every word. If you have a guilty conscience, then that's on you. nt

[NCTraveler]

44. Not one thing I have stated can be related to a guilty conscience.

No clue where you could have even come up with something to make that up. This is great. I asked one simple thing. For you to elaborate on your wild and outlandish comment.

Funny enough I think we actually agree about the image. I asked the op if they were sure it wasn't a right winger who put it together. It looks so bad for Sanders. The arrogance the image displays is astounding and to link Sanders with Che is beyond fucked up. What a utterly stupid image. I agree, it could have been put out by a winger.

[mmonk]

110. What's interesting I think is interpretation.

While it may have appeared in a Tennessee newspaper, the humor of Che bearing a Bernie Tee shirt is humorous. Knowing how people think in Tennessee however, it becomes somewhat nefarious. My son actually has a Che clock in his bedroom. I think he understands more than some here Che was facing worse circumstances. And of course he knows the history of red baiting here in the US to create fear and loathing. Many used it here to persecute people and unions in the 50's and any movement to help the workers of this nation.

[polly7]

114. Oddly enough, it's my nieces who wear their Che shirts .... they know who he was

and all that happened back then strikes some chord in them. I see Che in this graphic with the features of a young Bernie Sanders ....... but I could be seeing things, too It's hard to know how exactly it's meant to be interpreted. I guess everyone will see it differently.

I love it.

[mmonk]

116. I understand.

[TM99]

26. At least Guevara & Sanders

both fight or fought for economic and social justice.

Can we really say that Clinton is like Eva Peron?



http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/15/448968801/new-clinton-spanish-posters-hillary-or-evita

I tend to agree that this one is more appropriate.



Hispandering is an art-form with HRC.

http://www.latinorebels.com/2015/10/17/hillary-clintons-latest-hispandering-is-just-plain-insulting/

[think]

28. I haven't seen a single supporter here promoting that. Just you.......

[Buzz Clik]

61. Okay. But that's not my fault. Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128072177


Now you can apologize.

[think]

68. Sorry

[Armstead]

80. So people are not supposed appreciate humor amed at themselves?

Jeezum.

[artislife]

121. It is funny.

I am beginning to think there is no humor at camp weather vane. That's a little sad.

[arcane1]

36. I don't think the creator of this is part of Sander's "Fan base"

He's on Team Hillary, and this is a classic example of attacking progressives from the right.

[Buzz Clik]

63. I was referring to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128072177

[mmonk]

37. I thought this kind of stuff went out in the 50's.

[Buzz Clik]

66. Political cartoons? Nope. Alive and well.

[mmonk]

78. .

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. It's only a problem to red baiters.

[Armstead]

75. I suppose he should tell everyone who supports him but doesn't....

wear a three-piece suit to go fuck themselves.

[Buzz Clik]

83. Err.... okay. Is that the take home message?

[Armstead]

86. The message I got from your OP

And the people in the thread you refer to are not suggesting that sanders start printing posters of him and Che as campaign advertising. Just having a little fun and enjoying a little humor at their own expense.

[Buzz Clik]

88. Some yes, some no.

Some actually like it the comparison.

Your original response is way off, and you know it.

[Romulox]

85. IMO this thread is every bit as ban-worthy as anything Loonix posted. nt

[NurseJackie]

103. This one, or the original one?

[rhett o rick]

130. They are unable to discuss issues so this is what they do. I recommend putting the lot on ignore.nm

[whatchamacallit]

97. Wow epic flamebaitery

Find an illustration by a cynical asshole and use it to denigrate all Bernie supporters and the concept of Democratic Socialism in one go.

[Buzz Clik]

101. consider the source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128072177

[whatchamacallit]

108. Ah...

I hadn't seen that. I'm hungover and maybe misinterpreting the artist's intent, but your post sucks anyway. Just another Sanders supporters en mass are poser berniebros slam.

[Aerows]

104. The smell of desperation

to lock this up for Clinton and *early* is getting ... pungent.

I applaud the strategy, because the more that people learn about her, the less they like her positions, policies and her values.

If you can lock it up on charisma, you've got it, appears to be the plan.

I'm sure it has shocked the hell out of a lot of third way and DLC types that issues have become the forefront instead of personalities.

[brooklynite]

135. Can you name a campaign that DOESN'T try to lock up the nomination *early*?

Do you think both candidates should keep campaigning for Primary votes once one candidates has a lock on the nomination? There is this thing known as a General Election that has to be campaigned for as well.

[Aerows]

137. I can name many

that tried and failed. Just like this one is turning out to become.

[morningfog]

106. LOL. Bernie's biggest problem is attacks on his "fan base."

[Trajan]

120. I think it's pretty clear

You have stooped to a mighty mighty low ...

It's intolerable ... You are gone ...

[Persondem]

126. I would say something about this being something like the GOP would do should

Sanders be the Democratic nominee. The problem there is that it takes a certain amount of brains and wit to understand the t-shirt, and GOP voters tend to have neither.

[jwirr]

129. Hell, let's face the truth. Most voters are not going to

understand that shirt. Che? Che who? This was DU humor.

[Android3.14]

127. Hypocrite

You are the one who made this post, not a Sanders supporter.

[still_one]

128. With all the threads I have seen today that only Bernie can win against the republicans,

not Hillary, they really believe that when the republicans start throwing around Bernie supported Daniel Ortega, and looked favorably upon Fidel Castro in the 80's that will go over well in the South, I wonder who they are fooling

As many folks here on DU are set in there ways, are rarely are able to be persuaded to change their set preconceived views, right or wrong, the same things holds here, and while they may call it red baiting or McCarthy like tactics, it will be extremely hard to fight that for whatever reason, so for those that are so convinced that Hillary can't win the general election, I would like someone to explained to me how Bernie would when the red baiting starts flowing 24/7, which it would if he became the nominee

[Cheese Sandwich]

131. 1)

2)



3)

[beam me up scottie]

134. That's no where near as stupid as this picture:

Bernie's biggest problem are morons who don't know the difference between democratic socialism and communism.

Fortunately not everyone is that dumb.

[brooklynite]

136. This thread is precisely why Sanders will have a problem in the GE...

If you have to spend this much time defending "Democratic Socialism" to someone HERE, imagine how much time you'll waste explaining it to Independents and Republicans.

Speaking of which, what happened to Sanders planned speech on the issue?

[NurseJackie]

138. Thanks. (nt)