13 Democrat Senators voted in favor of the TPP. 13 out of those 13 endorsed Hillary Clinton

[Playinghardball]

[Faux pas]

1. So surpised!!!!!

NOT.

[Renew Deal]

2. Have any senators endorsed anyone other than Hillary?

[roguevalley]

47. 13 dino scumbags.

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[kelliekat44]

69. Yes throw them all under the bus and demoralize more of our base.. That ought to help us win. nt

[hay rick]

74. What's the point of winning if we still get TPP? nt

[Scuba]

83. Some people root for the laundry.

[Politicalboi]

3. Disgusting

I hope we can get someone in to replace Diane Frankenstein.

[artislife]

57. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, too.

I am not going to vote for them if the is a more liberal democrat on the ballot.

[liberal_at_heart]

68. Cantwell and Murray have lost my vote.

[artislife]

72. Being women isn't enough. nt

[liberal_at_heart]

73. Cantwell has always been too moderate for my taste. Murray is more liberal on some issues

but she likes to spend too much on defense and compromising with Paul Ryan on the budget deal was a deal breaker for me.

[artislife]

75. Murray is good with vets...there is that.

I went to a luncheon that Murrray, Cantwell and Al Franken hosted over half a year ago with some women in their 70s. I have helped them both get their affairs together after each of their spouses passed away, so I am pretty tight with them. It was cool because they are so much older and have fought for Democratic values their adult lives. One just got her Bernie bumper stickers in the mail and the other one was impressed by O'Malley during Rachel Maddows forum. They both have stopped giving money to the party and Emily's List.

They probably will vote for the Senators, but they are sad the party has drifted so right.

[TheFarseer]

4. to be fair

I bet all the senators that didn't vote for it endorsed her also.

[BlueCheese]

19. Indeed.

23 of the remaining 31 Democratic senators have also endorsed her.

[still_one]

55. sure, but it defeats the purpose of the Hillary bashing thread that this was intended to be

[NCTraveler]

6. How many dem senators voted against it?

How many of them have endorsed Clinton?

I actually have no clue as to the answer. That chart in itself is textbook strawman without said info.

[onenote]

18. I believe 31 voted against it. Of those, 25 have endorsed Clinton

if the lists of endorsements is to be believed. I don't know how accurate it is.

[jeff47]

7. Well, it is the gold standard of treaties.

Until it wasn't...for unspecified reasons.

[sabrina 1]

8. There are few surprises there but Wyden is most surprising throughout all of this.

HE was the one who TOLD US what they were doing, how they were denying Congress the right to negotiate a TRade Deal, doing it all in secret etc.

He was one of the leaders in exposing this travesty.

So what happened? Turns out it is even worse than he thought. So now he's FOR IT?

I think he owes the people who elected him an explanation.

[cui bono]

10. Yeah, something has changed with him.

Very curious...

[Robbins]

11. Maybe he didn't want obama going after him

like he did Warren.as well as to go along with corporate donors.

[MisterP]

21. the usual logrolling "my constituents want X and Y gets me X"

even Sanders isn't immune--but he's resisted it much more than anyone else in the Senate

[Maedhros]

26. Wyden has always been something of a snake.

He's clearly ambitious and angling for more power in the Senate, maybe chairmanship of some choice committee.

I will not vote for him again.

[SoapBox]

32. And then there is War Hawk Multi-Millionaire DiFi!

[GoneFishin]

40. He was holding out for a better deal than the others. Evidently he got one.

[Trajan]

61. I think that was CYA ... After the fact

Last edited Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:20 AM - Edit history (2)

You see; Senator Ron Wyden was a primary author of TPA, the fast track provision for TPP ...

I remember just prior to the vote, Ron was complaining about something about TPA/TPP ... And everybody thought he was rejecting the provision ..

No, actually, he was protesting the possible amendments that would have changed his precious baby ...

Ron WROTE TPA, and had a strong hand in writing TPP ...

I am a constituent of Ron ... I get to vote for him, or not ... I'm leaning strongly to not ...

The saddest part of this debacle > If ANY of them would have consulted their own constituencies, to guide their thinking as a representative Senator in a representative government system, few of them would have gotten the nod from Democratic party members (or many conservatives, who also dislike TPP) ... Yet, they are shoving it through, whether anybody likes it or not ...

This is highly UNdemocratic .... They should be chastised mightily for go against the will of the people .... (IF it passes)

[Trajan]

77. This was Wyden last June

"Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon is a co-author of the fast-track legislation, but held back his support until Monday in an effort to ensure trade adjustment portion and two other related bills will get through. He said he was able to convince Republican leaders to add a measure, supported by Democrats and some Republicans, that would boost U.S. steel companies.

"I held round-the-clock discussions with the Senate majority leader, the speaker of the House and leading Democrats over the past week," Wyden said. "I plan to support the continued advancement of the trade package tomorrow.""

What you heard in the news was that Wyden was wavering against the bill based on a negative opinion of the treaty's merits.

No .... He wanted a few more things to add ....

Wyden is my Senator ... it really really sucks ...

[Major Hogwash]

80. It doesn't make any sense.

Why Wyden had to convince Republican leaders to add a measure to boost U.S. steel companies.
It's as if all these guys in the Senate are going to take jobs later as lobbyists working for foreign companies located in foreign countries to find all of the loopholes in the TPP!!

[sabrina 1]

89. No, I'm talking about several years ago when Wyden ALERTED the public to the fact that

a trade bill was being negotiated in SECRET, that CONGRESS and his committee, the Trade Committee, were being denied access to any participation in the negotiations.

I believe that is how the public learned about this monstrosity..

He made many statements, going only so far though, stating he was unable to say more.

It was HIS alerts that got ME interested in what they were up to.

In fact he may have started the opposition to what they were doing, which has grown since I first read one of his 'pleas' to the public to get involved.

So iow, he's done a complete flip flop on this for whatever reason. He was RIGHT when he warned the public initially.

[Trajan]

91. I don't recall that, and I have voted TWICE for Ron

He is getting hit hard on his Facebook page ...

He deserves the antagonism ... So sad that Earl Blumenauer and Suzanne Bonamici were also on board with TPA ... Total Suckage ...

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. It is unfortunate that Sanders supporters are becoming so desperate that they are resorting to lies.

The fact is that no vote has been taken on the TPP.

[Playinghardball]

12. http://www.epi.org/blog/hall-of-shame-13-democrats-who-voted-to-end-debate-on-fast-track-trade-legis

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Broken link

http://www.epi.org/blog/hall-of-shame-13-democrats-who-voted-to-end-debate-on-fast-track-trade-legis

How convenient.

[Playinghardball]

16. Try this one...

http://www.epi.org/blog/hall-of-shame-13-democrats-who-voted-to-end-debate-on-fast-track-trade-legislation/

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. That page say that they voted to "Fast-Track Trade Legislation"

The vote for TPP is hasn't even been scheduled yet. But I guess facts aren't important when it's time to bash Hillary.

[sabrina 1]

23. And they should not have. When Bush tried to Fast Track his similar trade deal, Democrats refused to

allow, so it failed.

Now why are these Dems reversing the position of the Party during the Bush years and ignoring the huge opposition there was to this vote to allow it to go forward when they wouldn't do it durng the Bush era?

What is different here?

[GoneFishin]

41. Republicans with a D after their name are the most dangerous kind.

[bread_and_roses]

49. Voting for Fast Track WAS in essence a vote for TPP

The best chance to stop it was to deny it Fast Track and make it go through regular Congressional process. That's why Labor and allies worked so hard to try to get a NO Fast Track vote. We kept note of all those who voted for Fast Track - because they knew full well what they were doing. There was reams of info on this on the web from every Labor, environment, good government etc. group out there at the time.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

13. So we are pretending fast track never happened?

Hillary's supporters and detractors both agree Hillary is lying about TPP. But her supporters think that's a good thing since itll shut up the proles long enough for her to get through the primary.

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. Fast track doesn't equal TPP

Facts are stubborn things. A vote for fast track is not the same as a vote for TPP. Fast track simply allowed the President to submit trade agreements to Congress for straight up or down votes.

[Dawgs]

20. You really should just stop.

EVERYONE knows that this was a vote in support of TPP.

[GoneFishin]

42. Bullcrap. You are not fooling anyone.

[FlatBaroque]

51. You should

have stayed in school.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. The crazy thing about all this

is that you're right. Fast track was voted on, but TPP has yet to be voted on. It's public right now and there will be a review period before it's voted on.

That's a basic fact, yet you're being swarmed for stating facts like that.

DU has lost touch with reality.

[JonLeibowitz]

79. Okay, get back to me whenever a senator who voted for fast track opposes TPP.

Until then this argument is pretty weak.

[jwirr]

50. TPA was all about TPP.

[Freddie Stubbs]

92. No it wasn't

There is also the TTIP.

[jwirr]

95. Of course but you said that we did not vote on the TPP yet.

[Hoyt]

52. Facts mean nothing to critics.

[NanceGreggs]

76. Well, there ARE people here ...

... who have no use for "facts". And many of them have resorted to lies from the beginning.

And, yes, they are now "desperate".

[Smarmie Doofus]

22. As Gore Vidal noted: it's actually a ONE party system. "The MONEY party"; w. 2 RWs

nt needed

[Freddie Stubbs]

93. Gore Vidal was a slimey rape apologist

[Smarmie Doofus]

94. An example or two might help. You mean "Myra Breckenridge" ? n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

96. No. I am talking about his comments regarding Roman Polanski.

"I really don’t give a fuck. Look, am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s been taken advantage of?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/10/a-conversation-with-gore-vidal/307767/

That was his comment about the 13-year-old girl Polanski drugged and had sex with.

[George II]

24. Considering that 36 of the 42 Democratic Senators have endorsed Clinton....

....chances are pretty good that ANYTHING that Democratic Senators support will likely be all or mostly Senators that endorsed Clinton.

By the way, EVERY Senator that has endorsed Sanders supports TPP.

[JDPriestly]

27. Please name the senators that have endorsed Sanders and support TPP.

No names, heh?

Because no senator that has endorsed Sanders supports TPP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

Bernie does not have endorsements from senators.

Bernie has been endorsed by Rep. Keith Ellison and Rep. Raul Grijalva.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/bernie-sanders-congressional-endorsement-keith-ellison-214676

Raul Grijalva opposes the TPP, stating:

As early as this week, the House of Representatives will vote on whether to sideline itself from negotiations on the biggest trade deal of the 21st century.

That deal — the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP — binds our economy and the fates of our workers with those of 11 other nations, many of whom do not hold the same high labor standards that we do, and some of whom are notorious for human-rights violations and currency manipulation.

Forcing American workers to compete with workers in Vietnam earning less than 60 cents an hour will have a predictable outcome: Jobs will be outsourced and livelihoods will be lost.

The upcoming vote includes a provision called Trade Adjustment Assistance, or TAA, which provides much-needed assistance to workers who lose their jobs due to trade deals. The fact that TAA is necessary at all is an admission that this trade deal is bad for our workers. Proponents of the Trans-Pacific Partnership might be selling it as an economic boon, but they’re laying the groundwork for it to be a job-killer.

https://grijalva.house.gov/recent-opeds1/grijalva-trade-deal-bad-for-seniors-workers-alike/

Keith Ellison also opposes the TPP:

My colleagues and I who voted against Trade Promotion Authority are not isolationists. We’re not against trade. We understand we live in a global economy. Many members of Congress have proposed models for fair trade deals that can’t even get a debate or a vote in the Congress. But the newest trade proposal before us, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), repeats the harmful practices of past deals. It contains specific threats to working people. I will continue to vote against Trade Promotion Authority until the Trans-Pacific Partnership is fixed.

If hurting workers wasn’t bad enough, several parts of the proposed deal risk our environment, the safety of our food and drugs, and even our nation’s laws. For example, a corporation could sue the United States if it thinks our policies reduce their profits. This is a process called Investor State Dispute Settlement, technical language meant to protect investors in countries without rule of law. The trade negotiators tell us “not to worry” because we have never lost a case. But opening laws that protect our meat, fruits and vegetables to the prying fingers of the world’s biggest corporations is a risk we shouldn’t take.

https://ellison.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/why-i-oppose-the-trans-pacific-partnership-and-trade-promotion-authority

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to elaborate on the information in your post.

Feel the Bern!

Google is our friend!

[George II]

28. Here are ALL the Senators that have endorsed Senator Sanders:

....

[JDPriestly]

29. And not a one of them endorsed the TPP.

[George II]

64. And not a single one will vote against TPP. See how that works?

[still_one]

58. LOL

[JDPriestly]

25. Another brick in the wall. Interesting.

The case against voting for Hillary gets stronger every day.

But the TPP will probably be signed, sealed and delivered before the 2016 election. Then the campaign for Bernie will be the campaign against the TPP.

It will be the people v. the TPP.

[glinda]

36. I predict that if Bernie does not win

things will start to come unhinged rather rapidly jeopardizing the Country on many levels. Anger against the Dems will be so strong that it will give some advantage to the crazies in the Conservative portions of Government on local as well as National levels. Massive larger uprisings will give fuel to more crackdowns because more will suffer both on an immediate level as well as a Planetary crisis level.
It is apparent the illness in our Government is perhaps beyond repair and so goes the Planet.....

[GoneFishin]

46. The Dem leadership only cares about corporations. Whether the corporations are pandered

to by a Dem or Republican is a minor script change in the Kabuki theater. Getting everything they can for the 0.1% is all they really care about.

[glinda]

97. And this is why humans fail.

[still_one]

60. I suggest you might want to have a Plan B in that case, if you believe that

[SoapBox]

30. The Entrentched "1980's" Establishment Crowd

Coming to the end of their era.

[Maven]

31. Democrat-IC. nt

[dorkzilla]

33. I don't know why anybody thinks endorsements from politicians is any badge of honor.

Quite the opposite.

[bowens43]

34. No surprise there...hillary was for it before she was against it ...or is she for it again?

[Phlem]

35. Coincidence?

I think not but I'm sure it'll be spun some weird ass fucking way to be a positive for her.

[Luciferous]

37. I'm shocked lol

[Aerows]

38. As a wise person once stated

"I can't wait to get to the polls to vote for Feinstein" said no one ever.

[Major Hogwash]

81. "It's an exclusive club . . . and YOU'RE not in it!"

The last time Congress ever did anything to benefit me personally was 1998!

[fbc]

39. Republican operatives have infiltrated the democratic party

And they want you to shut up and vote for Hillary Clinton.

[Mnemosyne]

44. The infiltration has been going on since the 1980's. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

56. So Republicans actually like Hillary?

Why is her approval rating among Republicans so low then?

[UglyGreed]

43. Endorsements matter

as many here say

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. " O K "

EOM

[BlueCollar]

48. 13 Democrats or 13 Democratic Senators

Would have been an improvement over the current title.

That being said, I question why it matters who endorses who. The issue is whether the candidate is qualified for the office.

On the Democratic side of the aisle we have three candidates who are all both qualified and suitable to be POTUS.

On the other side of the aisle there are several that are qualified to be POTUS, yet in my opinion, none are suitable for the job.

BTW...I live in Red State Texas so the only vote I can cast that counts is in the Democratic Party Primary. My vote is irrelevant during the General Election. The system is rigged to favor the Christian right winners and tea-party crowd

[AzDar]

59. It's just a coincidence! She's CHANGED, I tell ya!!

:

[PowerToThePeople]

63. That smarts

Thing is, most HRC fans will go



because they are all about globalization.

Whatever gets more green in their pocket.

[restorefreedom]

65. ouch. and now a brief message about buttering bread..

or something.

[turbinetree]

66. Facts ................................

Lets take a look here and see who gives what to whom and then take a look at the corporations that gave the moola to the Third Way DLC types :

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?type=P&cid=N00009926&newMem=N&cycle=2016

Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Duppers]

84. Honk, Honk!

[turbinetree]

87. I think we have a right to know.............................

I think we have a right to know.
To have a complete explanation on who and what money is being collected by these individuals. I think we deserve better, and not once has this "deal" been said in any format on the public stage

Everyone of these so called debates there has not been one mention of this "deal", this is unacceptable.

Because now that the 2,000 pages of "gold standard " has been released, I would like to know how everyone came to the there conclusion to sell this countries sovereignty out.

Where does it say that in the Constitution.

The president can make treaties, but where does it say to sell out the countries sovereignty for trade------------I haven't found it,
that is the ultimate issue that needs to be addressed

I know my candidate hasn't changed the principles or the character of what is being said about this issue.

Thank you





Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Walk away]

67. Almost all Democratic Senators are endorsing Hillary.

So this is kind of a misleading statement. Has any Democratic Senator endorsed Bernie?

But desperate time calls for desperate posts!

[Recursion]

70. Whom did the Senators who voted against it endorse? (nt)

[JI7]

71. Who did the other Senators Endorse ?

[pa28]

78. Hey look! It's the Senate Dem "part of the problem caucus" and Hillary has a lock on it.

If you liked the TPP I'm sure you'll love their bipartisan solutions on tax reform, Social Security and all things lobbyist friendly.

[djean111]

82. All I can do, really, is not ever vote for "my" senator, Bill Nelson, ever again.

He is actually more destructive to me than "my" other senator, Rubio - because Rubio doesn't really show up and vote.

That whole New Democrat Coalition is nothing more than a Third-Way-advised nest of DINOs, and I will never vote for any of them, given the opportunity.

[reddread]

85. "democracy"

[Metric System]

86. 0 of his colleagues have endorsed Sanders.

[Babel_17]

88. Votes you could bank on

[tritsofme]

90. This is a flat out lie, not a single senator has voted for or against TPP

Obama has not even formally signed on to the agreement.