What Was The League of Conservation Voters Thinking

[UglyGreed]

A post on ThinkProgress had these little tidbits.....

Hillary Clinton's Biggest Campaign Bundlers Are Fossil Fuel Lobbyists
Clinton's top campaign financiers are linked to Big Oil, natural gas and the Keystone pipeline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel_55a8335ee4b04740a3df86c5

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2016&ind=E01

Koch Industries gave funding to Clinton’s DLC and served on its Executive Council

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

Banks Behind Hillary Clinton's Canadian Speeches Really Want The Keystone Pipeline

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/hillary-clinton-speeches-keystone_n_7463108.html

[djean111]

1. I won't know what they are thinking any more - I unsubscribed.

If they are all okay with a candidate who travelled the world, as SOS, pushing fracking, then they obviously are not a group I want to support.

[UglyGreed]

2. I did also

wonder how many others have done the same.

[saturnsring]

9. as sos she works for potus not for herself.pushing fracking under this condition doesnt=agreement

with fracking.

[djean111]

33. Then her campaign should stop pushing her years as SOS as anything but accumulating frequent flyer

miles and being Obama's puppet. If she was merely Obama's mouthpiece, then that is not leadership.

And I do not buy for one instant that any unpopular stances she took as SOS were OBAMA'S views.

[Hortensis]

30. BUT, but, but -- when people we respect take a stand,

shouldn't we at least ask WHY -- for real -- instead of just knee-jerking our way through decisions?

It is possible to be both a political junkie and also be a low-information voter. Just look at the teapartiers. They can rattle on all day about this fake scandal and that, throwing out names of operatives as if they knew who these people actually are, but in reality their funds of knowledge are as useful as a bunch of sacks of broken hammers.

BTW, they did explain why they endorsed her so early. "The decision to back Clinton over two Democratic rivals with equally strong, if not stronger, liberal environmental records shows the extent to which some environmentalists are concerned the Obama administration’s policies could be rolled back under a Republican president. The group’s president, Gene Karpin­ski, said it needs to activate volunteers and donors early to make sure Clinton is strongly positioned for the general election.

The LCV Action Fund picked Clinton over Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley because “the stakes are so high” and Clinton “has proved she’s an effective leader who can stand up to the big polluters and push forward an aggressive plan to tackle climate change,” Karpin­ski said."

I know you don't want to believe that last is true, but what if it is? What if her environmental stances are less far-reaching overall than Bernie's and O'Malley's but much more likely to actually become achievements in future? The League believes just that.

Next up for someone, the Sierra Club endorsement.

[djean111]

32. Oh, really?

" Clinton “has proved she’s an effective leader who can stand up to the big polluters and push forward an aggressive plan to tackle climate change,”

No, she has not. Making a bunch of poll and focus-driven statements as a candidate is not actually being a leader, and she pushed fracking enthusiastically while being SOS.

Oh, and your reply is a lot more knee-jerking than my reaction. The knee-jerk reaction is to defend anything and everything that is critical of Clinton. My reaction is based on what I feel about Clinton after investigating her years of lip service to environmentalism.

[Hortensis]

40. In this case, I defended the League of Conservation Voters

and pointed to their statement that they were goal-driven in making this decision. What goes on that that is completely dismissed? Do you think you're a bigger expert on environmental issues and what needs to be done than they are? I don't know your background, of course.

BTW, at NO point did I defend Clinton herself or her environmental record at all. That should be very clear, yet you imagined something entirely different. Think about it.

[djean111]

42. They have their goals, which do not, evidently, match mine.

I believe Hillary is no friend to our environment. If they are supporting Hillary for president, then they do not come close to my goals.

There are other conservation-minded groups out there. I am looking into that.

[RiverLover]

41. Case in point~

Message from New Yorkers to Hillary Clinton: Stop Touting the Big Oil & Gas Line on Extreme, Dirty Energy
http://nyagainstfracking.org/message-from-new-yorkers-to-hillary-clinton-stop-touting-the-big-oil-gas-line-on-extreme-dirty-energy/

[Agschmid]

3. Clearly they are idiots.

[UglyGreed]

4. or just afraid

[artislife]

34. I used to get their stuff.

Timid people get nothing done.

I cannot believe they rolled over. How are they going to fight for this planet with that weakness?

[leftofcool]

5. Stockholm syndrome?

[Agschmid]

29. Yup.

That's it.

[dreamnightwind]

27. More likely they are bought or dyslexic

and as the League of Conversation Voters they like how Hillary has conversations with powerful interests rather than Bernie shouting at them.

[RobertEarl]

6. Carol Browner is the head of LCV, right?

She was Bill's head of EPA. She did ok, but as time has told, she was not really up to speed on what is going down with the environment.

Carol is establishment and she is partly to blame for global warming and nuclear waste spreading far and wide, and she knows Bernie is the man who is going to make her look bad. She has no choice but to go with H> who will not expose the real world problems the EPA, et al, have ignored.

[artislife]

35. Interesting background...thanks. nt

[saturnsring]

7. if youre candidate is so great why do you spend so much time attacking his opponent

wouldn't the stellar record of your candidate be enough.

[UglyGreed]

8. Ask that question to others

on your side of the ball.............

[saturnsring]

12. im asking you -

Stop Hillary! Vote no to a Clinton dynasty November 2014 issue Harper's Magazine
By UglyGreed - 9:52 AM

General Discussion: Primaries
The Man Who Bought the Clintons: the Political Business of Terry McAuliffe
By UglyGreed - 9:46 AM

UglyGreed (2,961 posts)
What Was The League of Conservation Voters Thinking

[UglyGreed]

14. Two posts

here's another pic

[saturnsring]

17. that one is good too you should focus promoting bernie

[UglyGreed]

18. .

[mahina]

22. Is this a new rule you've decided on?

I'm not aware of it.

You'll be very busy telling all the posters who write about opposing candidates here 24/7.

Might want to check with the mods first though because it's not a rule anyone here agreed to.

[bobbobbins01]

24. Because drawing contrast is a good thing.

It provides perspective....if you only hear what one candidate is proposing, its much harder to tell how good or bad that proposal is unless you juxtapose it with those of the other candidates.

[artislife]

36. Your point?

Many h supporters post OP after OP against Bernie. It is primary season.

[UglyGreed]

10. What's the matter

the links shine too much light on Hillary's environmental positions??? That's a shame here's a pic for you....




I hope that makes you feel better.......

[saturnsring]

13. now that's better

[dreamnightwind]

25. Should identify that pic as fictituous

Apprently, according to Snopes anyway, it was satire, though satire from the correct point of view.

From http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-saves-dog/:

On 18 September 2015 the humor site The Good Lord Above published an article reporting that Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders had saved three children and a dog from a house fire, but the U.S. news media had curiously ignored the story:

Bernie Sanders is recovering Friday after saving 3 children and a dog from a house that was on fire.

Local fire officials say the 74-year-old Bernie Sanders, a democratic candidate for president, was on a campaign march through town when he noticed smoke coming from a house down the block.

Once he was sure the kids were safe, officials say Sanders entered the burning home again to rescue the family dog.

Despite the incredibly heroic actions of Bernie Sanders, the news media has completely ignored this story because it would go against the wishes of their corporate masters.

Still from http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-saves-dog/ (just to be clear this is ot my own text:

Details in the article hinted at The Good Lord Above's satirical intent: the fire's cause was attributed to a child attempting to cook because both parents were working, and a home insurance policy purportedly wouldn't compensate the family because they were "too poor." (Two strong positions held by Sanders are support for workers' rights and broad condemnation of corporate abuses.) Moreover, the reason provided for the story's absence from the news was the objection of "corporate masters" whom readers are meant to infer stand in opposition of Sanders' candidacy.

[UglyGreed]

28. I did in my original post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251782176

[artislife]

19. Why is posting truths about actions and disagreeing

With those actions attacking? It is called discernment. Her list of ills, imo, is far longer than Bernie's. That is a contributing factor in my support.
There are issues that I find important. He is in alignment with scads more than she is.

That is the basis for most of the support for Bernie. Yeah, I don't like her either but it is based on these issues and choices and not her gender or voice or supporters. Well, the supporters are making it much easier to dislike her, I must admit.

[saturnsring]

20. discernment, yea, it's poke-in-the-eye flamebait worthy of free republic

[artislife]

37. This is nowhere near flame bait as some of the OPs

that finally have been locked down.

[dreamnightwind]

26. Sad to see you use this scold against a Bernie supporter

when it''s practically all we have seen from Hillary supporters from day 1. They absolutely can't compete on issues, so attempt to discredit Bernie through slander. Us Bernie supporters aren't completely above responding in kind, but for the ost part we are the side who is arguing policy in this race. If you can't see that I don't know what to say to you, it has been painfully obvious for a long time here on DU.

[saturnsring]

31. that's odd cause that isnt what i see but that shouldnt happen either

[MohRokTah]

11. I crack up every time I see a Sanders supporter incapable of believing people cannot accept...

Saint Sanders in the role of Savior.

[UglyGreed]

15. I crack up every time

Hillary supporters ignore her flip flops, ties to Wall Street, big oil/gas, MIC and the prison industry just to name a few things........

[MohRokTah]

16. Cool! eom

[Betty Karlson]

39. Get this: Sanders isn't perfect...

... but Clinton is no good.

[Romulox]

23. I can think of a few reason$$$...

[leftofcool]

38. What were they thinking? That Hillary is the only smart choice.