Green group endorses Hillary Clinton, and feels the Bern

[RiverLover]

Green group endorses Hillary Clinton, and feels the Bern
By Juliet Eilperin November 9 at 7:37 PM
WaPo

The League of Conservation Voters Action Fund’s endorsement of Hillary Rodham Clinton Monday has prompted a backlash from many of its members, who argue Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) deserved the nod.

The endorsement, which was first reported by The Washington Post, marked the first time in more than three decades that the group had endorsed a presidential candidate before a single primary vote was cast. The group’s board Chairwoman Carol M. Browner, who served as the Environmental Protection Agency administrator under President Clinton and advised President Obama on climate change during his first term, said Hillary Clinton won the endorsement because she was best prepared to advance environmental priorities in office....

But the move touched off a furor among Sanders supporters, who noted that he had a 95 percent lifetime rating from LCV compared to Clinton’s 82 percent. While the group does not evaluate governors, the third Democratic presidential contender, former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, received an A-minus rating from LCV’s Maryland affiliate for 2007-2008 and a B-plus for 2009-2011.

Backers of Sanders posted a slew of comments on Facebook and Twitter, suggesting that the League of Conservation Voters’ federal political action committee had made a politically expedient choice.....

Several vowed to withhold future donations to LCV in retaliation for the move and either give the money to other environmental groups, or Sanders himself........

Read in full~
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/11/09/green-group-endorses-hillary-clinton-and-feels-the-bern/

I didn't take to twitter, I just looked in my inbox for the latest email from them, unsubscribed and left feedback on my thoughts on their backing a candidate before the primary and without input from their supporters. I left some links to articles on Hillary's ties to BigOil and fracking and stressed how vital it is now to have someone lead who realizes that in order to stem this sixth mass extinction we're experiencing right now, we need radical change.

There are many incredible environmental organizations out there doing great things. I don't want to waste my money on one that's only in it for political posturing.

GO Bernie!!!

[riversedge]

1. Nov 10 PPP poll SC Dem primary voters: HC: 72, BS, 18 MO: 5 & Hillary WON Debate 67%

Obviously LCV knows a winner when they see one!! NEW poll results just in


Nov 10 PPP poll SC Dem primary voters: HC: 72, BS, 18 MO: 5 & Hillary WON Debate 67%



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017307248

Nov 10 PPP poll SC Dem primary voters: HC: 72, BS, 18 MO: 5 & Hillary WON Debate 67%
This was a sneak peek of the new PPP poll which will be out this am (Nov 10)


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/clinton-biggest-winner-from-fridays-forum-563228227701

[RiverLover]

4. Today is the 10th.

[riversedge]

9. Thanks. Hopefully my edit will fix

my error.

[RiverLover]

20. She does do well in the polls, and if they are truly predictive, despite being landline only,

You will get your corporate centrist purple president, and the People & Planet will lose.

Just not as badly as if a rethug were elected.

Wooo!! So inspiring!!

Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests

From Fracking to Keystone XL, Green Groups Face a Hillary Clinton Problem

Why Isn't the Oil Industry Worried About Hillary Clinton?

[riversedge]

24. The methodolgy for this PPP poll not yet released as far

as I know. the OP was a sneak peep. Later today the entire poll to be released.

[merrily]

102. Yeah, but why don't you tell the whole truth? Only till midnight! Gotcha again!

[stonecutter357]

10. great job Hillary.

[RiverLover]

12. grate or great?

or just grating.

[stonecutter357]

14. You can tell me that every day and i won't remember it.

i have Dyslexia

[RiverLover]

15. ko

[merrily]

103. LOL!

[Major Nikon]

72. Results...

On Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

grate or great?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=789047

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Yes, because talking while female is such a horrible offense. This kind of sexist crap doesn't belong on DU. I see the poster went on to make fun of somene with dislexia in their next post in this thread. Sexist and classy.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:45 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really? The OP also contains a homonym. I found it to be an attempt at humor - not that I particularly like it, but I don't find it OTT or otherwise hide-worthy.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A de minimis slight totally unrelated to sex is sexist? The lengths that some go to in order to pretend to be offended never ceases to amaze on this site, but this one is special.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Harden up, princess.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You woke me up for this?

[RiverLover]

82. Pointing out a spelling error is sexist now? wow. And I'm female too!

Thanks for sharing this Major. Loved some of those responses!!!

Thanks jury.

The cool people on this site still make up for the, um, not so cool people.

[cui bono]

91. omg the Hillary alert stalkers need to give it a rest.

The alerts are getting so fucking ridiculous. Thankfully that alerter got a time out.

[tishaLA]

97. Well I've scene everything now

(had to make a spelling joke. sorry).

Utterly ridiculous

[Major Nikon]

98. Yes, udderly ridiculous. Hard to believe they were really series

[merrily]

104. Not only is that one of the most frivolous alerts I've seen yet, the comments just may be

the most dishonest I've seen yet. And, on both counts, that's going some.

[ronnykmarshall]

107. Jury #7

In for the win.

[Evergreen Emerald]

99. That is what "they" say about women's voices when they want to demean them.

We have a long way to go.

[Scootaloo]

101. Well, I guess we know who alerted now

[Evergreen Emerald]

113. No I did not alert, but it was a valid alert

Of course the jury system is broken so I usually don't bother.

[Scootaloo]

118. Of course you don't.

[Evergreen Emerald]

120. Weird response.

Of course I do alert...I follow you around and every time you post anything I alert. That is my goal in life. I actually quit my job so i could sit at the computer and alert when you post something.

right back atcha.

[RiverLover]

114. Yes, men are never "grating".

As a woman, half the time I hear a bs sexist accusation, I feel the person accusing is the sexist one. Yes I find these ridiculous accusations offensive.

Trust me, I was just playing on words, there was no desire to put Hillary down for being what I myself am.

I could write a book about all of the deeply flawed DINO aspects of Clinton's candidacy and her ONLY redeeming factor would be that she is a she. And that is an inconsequential side note to what is at stake here.

[Evergreen Emerald]

116. Men can be bitches too

but that is not the point is it. As a woman in a traditionally man's field, I heard and lived it all. Covering your ears and saying lalalala does not diminish the sexism...it reinforces it.

[RiverLover]

122. Painting everything as sexist diminishes when there actually is sexism.

Its called crying wolf. (or is "crying" only for women too? Did I do it again? )

[tecelote]

18. Take a look at history...

Take a look at history and you will see why Hillary supporters have to push the Bernie is unelectable meme. They are afraid of history repeating itself.

November 4, 2008

Hillary 44%
Obama 22%

But what's real fun is to look at the trajectory:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

For those that don't like the site itself, here is Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_2008_presidential_candidates

Like Obama, Bernie just needs exposure.

America doesn't need the pick of the oligarchy and corporate media.

America needs a President of the people, by the people, and for the people.

America for Americans.

[RiverLover]

23. Awesome post!!!!

America needs a President of the people, by the people, and for the people.

This is the bottom line.

[riversedge]

25. Bernie got exposure at the forum in SC and made little difference.

[SmittynMo]

44. What's your point?

You expected a major change?

Baby steps.

[Cassiopeia]

59. I would guess that 95% of the people that tuned into that

had already picked a candidate.

The majority of the voting public just doesn't give a shit right now.

[Plucketeer]

61. Whistlin' past the graveyard.

That's what all this "anointed one" chatter is about. Keep whistling. Better whistle pretty loud.

[tblue]

54. Hillary Clinton's Biggest Bundlers Are Fossil Fuel Lobbyists

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55a8335ee4b04740a3df86c5?ts4f5hfr

Just sayin

[okasha]

94. Really?

They were banksters the week before. Get your story coordinated, people!

[Aerows]

108. Do you deny

that some of the most odious of industries are those that bankroll her, because it sounds like you agree that banksters and oil industry execs are funding her.

But hey, you are right, so far be it from me to interrupt you when you are admitting it.

[okasha]

109. Industries do not fund any candidate.

Individuals do, and the maximum contribution from any individual from an "odious" executive is exactly the same maximum as from you or me. This has been explained to you guys any nuumber of times. What, precisely do you fail to understand?

What I agree to is that last week's Bernista meme was that she was a wholly-owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs. The week before that it was private prisons. Who knows what it will be next week. The AMA? The Girl Scouts?

[Aerows]

110. Okasha

You are delightful.

Truly.

[okasha]

112. I know.

It's just something I was born with. Even furry little creatures recognize it. My backyard is home to squirrels, the neighborhood cats, the occasional posssum, foxes, raccoons, field mice. ... And oh, the birds and butterflies!

[Armstead]

119. This is a bit of role reversal but Are the Unicorns cute in Fantasyland

Big Business and Big Billionaires have no influence on politics, because of some token limitations on the amount that can be publicly donated to a campaign?

Hooookay.

Usually it's progressives who get acused of living in Fantasy land. But the notion that money has no influence in politics? Now that Story Time maximized.

[okasha]

121. You mean, like gun and military weapons manufacturers?

A senator who has bamboozled Congress into throwing a trillion dollars snd more down the drain for a crap fighter plane?

Get back to me when you're applying the same standard across the board.

[Armstead]

123. Sanders did not single-handedly bamboozle that and he was being a politician

He was doing what politicians do. Bringing home some bacon for his constituents.

Please note my post was a general observation about politics, and the influence of big money on policies. That's a whole lot different than shaping policies for the benefit of big donors. On that score, I'll take Sander's record over most politicians any day.

[okasha]

127. No single donor can give more than $2700

to any campaign. Corporations cannot donate to campaigns. This has been explained here numerous times.

Now, please explain why you have no problem with Sanders' bringing home the bacon to his constituents, but break out in hives at the mere thought of Hillary's doing the same. Double standard, dude. Double standard.

[Armstead]

128. PACS SuperPacs, Bundlers, Lobbyists, Junkets...etc.

No I'm not going to go into a circular argument if you don't see the difference between trying to bring home a piece of a large military contract to benefit your home district, and taking cash in its various forms from Big Money interests,who want politicians to shape national policy to do them favors.

[okasha]

129. Uhm, so gun and weapons manfacturerers

aren't Big Money? Lockheed (which also makes the drones that Sanders has said he would continue to use) has no desire to affect national policy to keep the billion and trillion dollar arms deals rolling in? Lockheed has no interest in keeping global conflicts going? Doesn't want to make a senator and potenrial prez happy by furnishing the bacon he takes home to the voters who have given him steady, highly paid work for the last 35 years?

Ain't no virgins in the whorehouse, dude. Not one.

[MattSh]

64. Well, you can be right... or side with the winner, (they hope)

They chose to take the easy way.

[Armstead]

117. Carol Browner is an ardent ally and friend of the Clintons

This was a politicaly-based endorsement by a strong supporter of a candidate by the person at the head of the group.

No more, no less.

[Art_from_Ark]

2. Happy to be the first to rec this thread

[RiverLover]

5. Thanks Art!!

[Art_from_Ark]

8. Back atcha!

[Renew Deal]

3. Intimidation is a tactic used by some

I guess it is meant to scare potential supporters of Hillary.

[Godhumor]

6. Well, they sure do have swarming social media down to an art

That is for sure.

[riversedge]

33. And some of the comments are vile, which does not do Sanders any good.

[frylock]

81. Is it anything as vile as the mild disagreement unleashed upon Howard Dean?

Can you provide some examples?

[cui bono]

92. As vile as some of the OPs on here by Hillary supporters?

Do those do Hillary any good? Do all the recs they get do Hillary any good?

[upaloopa]

7. "But the move touched off a furor among Sanders supporters, Backers of Sanders posted a slew of

comments on Facebook and Twitter,"


In other news scientists found that rain is wet.

[DanTex]

11. No way! Angry Bernie fans swarming Facebook and Twitter! Whodathunk?!?!

[RiverLover]

13. Bernie has all the energy in the Democratic race,

Hill has the Energy Industry.

[tecelote]

21. +1

'Hadn't heard that before - so true.

[LuvLoogie]

27. Yeah, I'm sure all those flailing fingers

burn a lot of calories. They should gather them and knock on some doors; get the legs involved. Berning 1s and 0s is no substitute.

[Ed Suspicious]

85. What makes you think we aren't?

[LuvLoogie]

89. Well good.

You are where Hillary started. Perhaps somewhere in your ranks a young law graduate will begin to develop the skills and relationships necessary that will allow her to increase her circle of influence. Perhaps she will put her skills in service as an advocate for what she believes in and/or for those who are voiceless.

Perhaps she will one day run for office and hold her positions up for scrutiny and meet those who challenge her. Perhaps she will then continue to reach out and develop working relationships with others who are like-minded--not clones, but of a kind. Perhaps she will challenge herself to learn and listen and understand that she doesn't have all the answers, but then she looks for ways to work with others to bring her ideas and values forth into policy.

Perhaps over time she will get really good at it, so good in fact that she will be greatly opposed. Will she then retreat to a more pastoral hamlet or push on through, damning the torpedoes? Will she be willing to sustain that effort and grow for 20 to 40 years?

[tblue]

56. That's the truth, look:

Hillary's Biggest Campaign Bundlers Are Fossil Fuel Lobbyists
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55a8335ee4b04740a3df86c5?ts4f5hfr

[RiverLover]

70. Yep.

Thanks for the link!

[Armstead]

126. Yiou guys kill me (not literally I hope) with your double standards

It used to be that social media was great. A chance for citizens to get involved in the political dialogue. New Democracy. Obama was such a sharp politician for knowing how to use social media.

Now that someone is challenging the Clinton machine and social media is involved, suddenly ooooooo that social media is so bad. Those Crazy Keyboard warriors Berniebros are such a crazy bunch for -- what actually utilizing social media to express opinions, and expressing disagreement with organizations they disagree with?

And WTF do you think you (and all of us) are doing here? What are your endless posts here a form of slumming, or keeping the kids in line?

[NCTraveler]

16. Another great pick up for Clinton. Nt

[cantbeserious]

17. The Quid Pro Quo Continues - One Wonders What HRC Promised Them

eom

[RiverLover]

31. Do you think she has one staff member to keep record of all the promises made?

Hillary Clinton's Biggest Campaign Bundlers Are Fossil Fuel Lobbyists

[cantbeserious]

39. That Would Not Surprise At All

eom

[polly7]

19. What about the push for fracking? Don't they care about the world's water?

The next wars will be fought for water and millions will die, it seems strange they're not against this.

And, the right to sue whole gov'ts for loss of 'future expected profits' completely undermining protections for the environment, written into the TTP and other trade agreements ........ ??? Take a look at the destruction already in places like Bangladesh and Cambodia, for example, with the garment industry. As well as forcing Europeans to accept Monsanto pesticides they'd been fighting against for years?

This organization puzzles me.

[RiverLover]

32. Me too, now. Its a red flag for sure. /nt

[RoccoR5955]

22. That's right

It isn't the first time that they endorsed the wrong candidate. The candidate who loses. Somehow they don't have credibility for some time in my book. They have not seen a contribution from me in many years now.
I do not consider this organization a legitimate environmental group.

[RiverLover]

30. Well.

You were ahead of us on this one, Rocco!

[Omaha Steve]

26. I told them the same thing when I cancelled my emails

I guess they are feeling the Bern.

[RiverLover]

28. It would be really interesting to find out how many of us unsubscribed.

We won't of course, but I bet the number is very large.

[TexasBushwhacker]

29. It's okay. HRC will come out against fossil fuel

development on federal land and water - NEXT WEEK!

[beam me up scottie]

34. 95 to 82 percent?

No wonder they're angry, both Bernie and O'Malley are better on the environment.

[JaneyVee]

35. Missed votes counted as no votes...

And she missed votes in 07/08 due to run for president. Bernie only had an 80% score in 2014.

[gordyfl]

36. Establishment Politics

"The group’s board Chairwoman Carol M. Browner, who served under President Clinton..." Bernie is considered an "Outsider" to these people. By right, Bernie should be endorsed by ALL environmental groups.

[riversedge]

37. “When it comes to fighting the climate crisis, the stakes couldn’t be higher.” —@LCVoters

Hillary Clinton ?@HillaryClinton 17h17 hours ago

“When it comes to fighting the climate crisis, the stakes couldn’t be higher.” —@LCVoters http://hrc.io/LCV

[99Forever]

38. Any public figure or organization that decides to endorce before there has been a single vote cast..

... does not deserve my support. They don't care what I think, so I'll just return the favor.

[MohRokTah]

68. You don't understand the purpose of endorsements, do you?

Organizations endorse candidates in hopes of AFFECTING how people will vote, thus waiting until people vote defeats the purpose.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

40. I see a distinct pattern.

Group/union/celebrity endorses Bernie: Hoorays! Feels the Berns!

Group/union/celebrity endorses Hillary: It's a conspiracy!!! Quid pro quo! She's a witch! Bern her!

[Trajan]

48. You have to admit the cognitive dissonance ..

Of a group who upholds environmental ideals, but selects the least environmentally conscious candidate ...

Say what you will, but the people are fed up with these apparent sweetheart deals ... It doesn't make sense from a functional perspective, but it certainly makes sense from a good ole boy perspective ...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

50. Case in point. NT

[Trajan]

53. Yes ...

Case in point ... Cognitive dissonance ... Sweetheart agreements ... Wrong for America ...

I'm glad we agree ...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

55. We don't agree at all.

You just can't accept reality. That a majority of people prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. It just HAS to be some sort of back-room conspiracy.

Cognitive dissonance indeed. On the part of every Bernie supporter crying conspiracy EVERY time Hillary gets an endorsement.

[Ed Suspicious]

86. We have two legitimate contenders for the presidency. Why would a single issue advocacy group so

early give away their leverage to affect the narrative by prematurely endorsing the candidate with the worst record on their issue? In what reality does that make sense? It sounds like fucking incompetence a the head of the organization. You bet I would scream bloody murder if I were part of an advocacy group whose leadership played their cards that way.

[Recursion]

95. Three (nt)

[bravenak]

51. Heh!

[Metric System]

41. They know what a winner looks like and it's not that finger-waving grump in the photo.

[Ed Suspicious]

88. Bullshit. They just threw away any leverage they might have had in this campaign. Failure of

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leadership by the head of the organization. Bad move for all involved except Nihillary.

[stevenleser]

42. The parallels to Ron Paul 2008/2012 write themselves. nt

[pnwmom]

43. The difference between their scores is meaningless compared to the vast gulf between

them and the Rethugs. Cruz got a zero. Rubio got a zero. Etc.

They are concerned about Bernie's relative lack of an organization. They think the campaign needs to begin NOW. So they're supporting the candidate they think is ready to win the General.

[cosmicone]

45. Another group going under the bus now?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[raindaddy]

47. Some groups crawl under the bus all by themselves..

[raindaddy]

46. Obviously the League now supports fracking and Monsanto....

I'm sure they can expect to receive the same kind of $upport Hillary receives from them both..

[Fred Sanders]

49. "Feel the Bern" is not Sanders's official campagin slogan and I have never heard him use it.

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To me this dichotomy kind of represents his own campaign relationship with his most, shall we say, "enthusiastic" fans - who seem to cry a river every time things do not go their way.

So please send him all your "vacuum pennies", he is going to need every one when the campagin gets really serious and real money is spend on campagon ads.

[RiverLover]

52. Feel the Bern - https://store.berniesanders.com/collections/feel-the-bern

https://store.berniesanders.com/collections/feel-the-bern

[Fred Sanders]

58. Merchandising "Feel The Bern" means it is an official slogan? What does the slogan even mean?

Sounds like your Uncle Bern is telling you to do as he says or he might poke you in the eye with a hot poker....not exactly inspiring...even on a coffee mug!

[RiverLover]

60. Wow.

lol this is reaching.

#FeelTheBern!!!!

I'm feeling it big time right now!

[cosmicone]

62. Location of the "bern" is not specified

Your imaginary location for the "bern" may vary

[Fred Sanders]

65. Honestly, no derision intended, it is poor strategy to adopt a slogan that sounds authoritarian

and demanding - while running on an open and democratic platform.....not logical.

"Feel the Bern". Again I ask, what does that even mean? Maybe I should do an on line poll with Survey Monkey?

Of course Clinton's slogan is milquetoast, but that is always the way it is and slogans make little difference unless you have a bad one.....or at least that was the case before Obama came up with a brilliant one for the ages.

[RiverLover]

69. I absolutely can't believe I have to explain this, but ok...Its a play on the phrase "Feel the Burn"

regarding when you're exercising, you want to "Feel the Burn" so you'll know your workout is effective & bringing positive change.


But come on, you knew that.

[Fred Sanders]

71. Thank you. But I did not know that, honestly. Honestly, heavy excercising and Sanders is not what I

I would associate readily together!

Another DU member, maybe it was an interloper, claimed it meant something like folks are "feeling the burn" of Sanders truth-telling....which seems more apt than Sanders and heavy excercising.

[RiverLover]

76. I believe you now. :-) I figured it was common knowledge up until today. /nt

[crystal dawn]

74. the term 'feel the bern'

sounds like a commercial for hemorrhoids to me.

[Fred Sanders]

80. Poor analogy. Applying some Bernie lotion would be more like "feel the relief"....just kidding.

The slogan should be more like "Feel the People", or "Feel the Voices"....just throwing stuff out there. Feeling the burn of anything is not doing it for me.

[Cassiopeia]

57. I guess pushing fracking all over the planet is

environmentally friendly now.

[Fred Sanders]

66. Whereas pushing anti-Clinton RW propaganda at DU only destroys the brain and costs little.

[Cassiopeia]

73. Clinton pushed for fracking here and abroad.

That is a fact, not a RW talking point.

Embrace it. This is Hillary's record.

[FloridaBlues]

63. Seems like sanders supporters do that with everyone and every group.

his supporters are not helping this primary.

[INdemo]

67. There are many unions out there

Whose executive board have endorsed HIllary but the general membership think differently.
They favor Bernie because Hillary's ant-union stance going back as far as when she served on Walmarts Board of directors.
Many of the Clinton foundation's contributors are also anti-union

[RiverLover]

77. That was my first thought when I heard the news,

This must be what union members feel like when their leaders endorse Hillary without asking them to vote on it. It doesn't feel good either.

[INdemo]

78. Obviously not many Hillary supporters

Going to union meetings.

[moobu2]

75. Bernie Sanders cant win the primary much less the general

so why would anyone waste an endorsement on him?

[NurseJackie]

79. What can we make of this …

But the move touched off a furor among Sanders supporters, who noted that he had a 95 percent lifetime rating from LCV compared to Clinton’s 82 percent.

My take on this is that LCV understands: a) that Bernie isn't likely to win a national election and his loss to a Republican would set things back even further, or b) even assuming that he won, the all-or-nothing, take-no-prisoners, winner-take-all approach advocated by his supporters would be an ineffective way to make progress.

I wonder what Sanders and his supporters could be doing differently to change this pattern of setbacks.

[Melissa G]

83. I just unsubscibed from LCV

I need an email addy to tell them why but I did unsubscribe.

Good idea!

[RiverLover]

111. On the page where you unsubscibe, they have a teensy-weensy link that says

"leave feedback" or something like that. Lower right.

[MisterP]

84. ignored the membership to ensure access, eh?

seems a nice microcosm of how the DNC rolls

[Utopian Leftist]

87. Yep, I did the exact same thing.

The moment I saw they had prematurely e-hillerated, I unsubscribed. I doubt I'll need to hear anything further they would have to say about the environment.

[tex-wyo-dem]

90. Big k&r!!!

Thanks for the great OP RiverLover!

[RiverLover]

96. Thank you for the R&K, tex-wyo-dem!

[cui bono]

93. Not the first group whose "leaders" endorsed even though the membership doesn't approve.

Makes you wonder...

[MBS]

100. LCV really made a big mistake here

Why so early, in favor of a candidate (HRC) with a not-so-great environmental record?
In the general election, yes, of course.
But NOW, before a single vote has been cast in the primary and after only one Dem debate?
HRC's record has not earned this kind of support (candidates such as Al Gore and John Kerry, both of whom were long-time environmentalists, would have deserved early endorsement . But not HRC).
Even fairness aside, it doesn't even make sense.
What in the world are they thinking?


I'm mad enough that I've decided not to donate to LCV this year.

[ViseGrip]

105. Brown hangs with Gwen Graham in FLA and is part of the DWS circle for Hillary.

That is why Brown got the appointment!

[DCBob]

106. It's a bold statement they are endorsing so early.

It should give us Hillary supporters some comfort we are on the right track.

[Armstead]

125. Sigh-- Look at the political record of Carol Browner

This is not an endorsement on pure principle by some neutral organization.

Carol Browner, who heads it, is a close political ally of the Clintons, and campaigned actively for her against Obama in 2008. She is an environmentalist, but she's part of the Clinton inner circle. (and later served with the Obama administration before going into business with Madeline Albright consulting corporations.)

I guess that's okay, but it is what it is, and shouldn't be made more of than what it is.

[kelliekat44]

115. It is amazing how many here would sacrifice the possible going after the perfect. The Green

endorsement for Hillary makes sense to me. And their position is clear, yet some of their supporters would withhold financial support because they are angry that Bernie was not endorsed. It wasn't that they don't like and respect him. It was because they believe that Hillary will be a more effective voice for them. Now they are under the bus for their critical thinking! Go figure.
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“It’s not about him. It’s about her. We think she is the best candidate to run against the eventual Republican nominee, and we think she is the best person to be president because she has the skills and experience to be incredibly effective,” Sittenfeld said in an interview with Yahoo News.

According to Sittenfeld, Clinton’s time as first lady, senator and secretary of state has given her the experience and skills to make significant contributions from day one in the oval office.

The LCV scorecard, she said, is only one of many factors taken into consideration when determining the organization’s endorsements.

Sittenfeld said Clinton’s overall environmental score might have been higher if she had not missed 11 of the Senate votes that the LCV scored while she was running for president in 2008.

“I think because there has been so much focus on the [scorecard], I should point out that before running for president — at which point she missed many votes in 2007-2008 — her lifetime score was 90 percent at the end of her first term [as a senator],” Sittenfeld said.

[Armstead]

124. It was because Carol Browner who heads it is a close political ally of Clinton

This is a political endorsement resulting from politicial affiliations and personal loyalties.

Nothing wrong with that I guess. But it is what it is -- not some principled stance by a non-partisan neutral group with no dog in the hunt.