Hillary just bragged about voting multiple times for border fences to keep out illegal immigrants

[askew]

In 2016, Hillary just called undocumented Americans "illegal immigrants". She just bragged about voting multiple times for border fences.

This is appalling. Is this why Hillary hasn't released an immigration plan yet? Is this why she has skipped multiple immigration forums?

And she is taking credit for Bill's Plan Colombia (which is incredibly controversial) since it lead to poisoning the fields of Colombians and ruining them for growing legal crops and causing adverse health effects on Colombians.

She also talked about the people fleeing from Central American violence without acknowledging that she wanted to send the children back without due process and her State Dept. played a role in backing a coup that led to a violent dictatorship in Honduras which caused an increase in immigration from Central America.

O'Malley's team issued a press release on Hillary's border comments:



To those that say there are no real policy differences between the Dem candidates, here is one glaring difference right here.

[merrily]

1. The meme that the policies of Clinton and Sanders are now identical is bs--and that's even assuming

she is trustworthy as to her campaign rhetoric.

[99th_Monkey]

2. Yet her conspicuous duplicity seems to be inexplicably working for her?????????????????? -nt-

[merrily]

5. She has had tons of help from many directions.

[askew]

6. The media is letting her get away with this BS.

It's appalling. However, I do think her comments today will get a lot of play on Latino media. She is really wildly outside the mainstream of the Dem party on this issue and even if she releases a good immigration plan how can we trust her when she has a record of saying things like this and of taking anti-refugee/immigration positions?

[merrily]

8. The media is spreading it. Steve Kornacki, who I am certain knows better, said it last night--now

that Hillary's policies are identical to those of Sanders, all Sanders can say is that he got there first. Can you believe it?

[askew]

9. Chris Hayes pulled that shit with O'Malley as well.

He basically rolled his eyes when O'Malley said there were policy differences between the candidates. White progressives in the media rolling over and pretending that Hillary is a progressive or that we should take her latest policy positions seriously when they contradict her record make me nuts. They are basically doing everything they can to hand Hillary the nomination.

[marym625]

53. +a bazillion

[Autumn]

3. My grandparent were "illegal immigrants".

The policy differences between the Dem candidates and their records are very clear.

[elleng]

4. GLARING difference.

[askew]

7. Yep truly startling how the difference is between O'Malley and Hillary on immigration reform.

[BlueCheese]

10. Know your bedfellows: the video was posted by a group called America Rising.

From Wikipedia:

America Rising is a Political Action Committee (PAC) that produces opposition research on Democratic Party members.[1] It is located in Alexandria, Virginia. It was founded in March 2013 by Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign manager, Matt Rhoades.[2] Political strategist Tim Miller left the Republican National Committee (RNC) to join the clearinghouse. As of January 2014, between the PAC and the Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) run by fellow opposition research veteran Joe Pounder, the organization employed 47 people, full or part-time. CNN reported that America Rising would be split into two entities: a super PAC that aimed to spread negative stories about congressional Democratic incumbents and candidates through digital channels and earned media, and a LLC that would house a video library to be shared with GOP candidates, the RNC and other right-leaning groups.

From America Rising's own website (I go there so you don't have to):

America Rising PAC was set up in Spring 2013 to serve as an organization on the right for the sole purpose of exposing the truth about Democrats through video tracking, research, and communications. By cataloguing every Democrat utterance we have the data to ensure they are held accountable for their words and actions.

[Autumn]

12. That's a nasty site. But that's still Hillary and those are her words in the video

What she said should be exposed and Hispanics everywhere should hear her words. That video is going on this Latina's FB

[askew]

20. Who cares where the video is from?

Hillary said it. She owns those appalling words.

[BlueCheese]

21. Just want you to know whose water you're carrying. nt

[askew]

24. I am not carrying anyone's water. I am pointing out the Dem frontrunner's appalling

comments today on immigration and how she continues to be out of step on immigration/refugee issues.

But, this is what Hillary supporters do. They can't justify Hillary's appalling positions or rhetoric so they attack the messenger for stating facts.

[BlueCheese]

27. I'm actually still undecided.

There are aspects of all three of our candidates that I like. And I actually agree that a border fence is a bad idea.

But this kind of broad brush attack on Clinton supporters doesn't do Sanders or O'Malley or whomever you're supporting any favors. Insulting people is a bad way of convincing them. So is posting hit pieces from known right-wing sources.

[askew]

33. This isn't a hit piece. I included the full video and summarized what I found appalling

in her answer. Her full answer doesn't absolve her of the appalling things she said.

This is what Hillary supporters do whenever anyone criticizes Hillary. Attack the messenger. It's a legitimate critique. Also, I coupled it with her skipping multiple immigration forums and refusing to put out a full immigration plan. And her involvement in the Honduras coup and wanting to send child refugees back without due process. I didn't even broach the other issues Hillary has with immigration.

[BlueCheese]

43. You're right-- regardless of the provenance of the video, that is her talking.

I will concede that point.

I didn't actually hear much different from her usual statement on immigration. Maybe there was more of an emphasis on controlling the border than there usually is, but to me, Clinton's position on immigration is pretty well-known at this point. This isn't some new bombshell.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm

[askew]

50. Actually, Hillary has been talking like she's moved to the left on immigration.

She won't release a full platform and is ducking immigration forums. But, from her Senate races and her presidential race, she ran significantly to the right of where she claims to be now and where O'Malley has been for years and where Sanders is now. And she is trying to cover up her previous positions on child refugees from just earlier this year.

[riversedge]

103. oh, who are you trying to kid?? It is a big hit piece on Hillary from a nasty RW group!!

[marym625]

60. how is the OP a hit piece on her supporters?

Obviously, when you're talking about opinion, where the information comes from is important. When you're talking about indisputable fact, I don't care if it comes from Pravda.

She said what she said and she said it recently. That's not some actress up there doing a parody.

I don't want to live in a country that builds a wall. Don't forget, walls keep people in as much as they keep people out. It's just an excuse to move closer to old East Berlin and be the fascist they are turning into.

[artislife]

79. We can't be responsible for your indecisiveness.

You will decide what you will.

[merrily]

114. We've had real supporters of Sanders and fake supporters of Sanders, real undecideds and

fake undecideds. How ever will we be able to tell the difference?

[artislife]

115. If they drown then they are true

Just joking..remember Salem...

[merrily]

116. Remember it? I've seen modern day covens cruising the streets

of Salem en masse on Halloween. I've bought a magic wand in the shop of Laurie Cabot, "official" witch of Salem.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/02/05/laurie_cabot_salems_official_witch_closes_up_shop_after_40_years/

I've danced in the forest, naked at midnight with....er, never mind that bit.

[artislife]

118. Heh

One of my friends fb pmed me and said by my post she thought I might be a wiccan. She had a client who was looking for a coven to join.

I said, "No I am not a Wiccan, I don't belive in organized religion like that."

[merrily]

119. LOL! I guess it is organized.

[SwampG8r]

126. ....

You promised not to tell!

[merrily]

128. No promise, no pinky swear. Blood oath.

The halitosis was a bear. Hell of a dancer, though!

[Autumn]

34. Who's water are you carrying? The video is Hillary speaking and you object to

the site because

"it's an organization on the right for the sole purpose of exposing the truth about Democrats"

They certainty did just that. That was Hillary on that video saying those things and if that's an uncomfortable truth brought out by republicans well this Latina says so be it.

[jhart3333]

40. Yet another reason to be concerned about Hillary in the GE

So much baggage.

[askew]

46. Yep, she is unelectable. Too much baggage, too much flip-flopping, too many lies.

[BlueCheese]

48. Ahh, now I see.

Silly for me to take the bait.

[merrily]

72. Quoting Hillary's words and discussing them = carrying water for the site where her video is posted?

You cannot possibly be serious.

[merrily]

71. WTF? It's a video of Hillary speaking. What difference does it make where it's posted?

Worst instance I've ever seen of source shaming.

[BlueCheese]

11. Also, from LatinoUSA...

Her complete response to the question:

Well look, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders. But I think that it’s also true that we need to do more to try to number one, deal with the people who are already here, many of whom have been here for decades. Because it is just never going to happen that we’re going to round-up and deport 11 or 12 million. I don’t care how tall the wall is or how big the door is, that is never going to happen. And I think it is an unnecessarily provocative thing to say.

We need to secure our borders, I’m for it, I voted for it, I believe in it, and we also need to deal with the families, the workers who are here, who have made contributions, and their children. Mexican immigration no longer is really the issue. The Mexican economy is doing well enough, we’ve had no net Mexican immigration in the last several years. We now get immigrants from Central America and Latin America. And a lot of them make a very dangerous trip with smugglers and traffickers to try to get in to our country. And we need to do more to try to put some resources into those countries to try to deal with some of the conditions particularly the violence, the drug dealers and the like, that create that.

And we have an example of how effective the United States can be. When my husband was president, as you remember, there was a war going on in Colombia by drug traffickers and insurgent rebels. It was such a violent war that elected officials, business leaders, academics were being kidnapped, many of them murdered, others held for ransom. And we did something called Plan Colombia. Where we helped the government figure out how to secure their country from drug traffickers and rebels. And it took a number of years but now it’s a success story. So we can do more to stop the problem from where it starts. We can do more to secure our border and we should do more to deal with the 11 or 12 million people who are here, get them out of the shadows.

Because we will have a better economic outcome if we do that because what happens now is if you’re undocumented, you will work for as little as you can be paid. And that influences the labor market and takes away jobs from Americans because there’s no even playing field. If we get them out of the shadows and we enforce the labor laws, we will see a much better labor market for Americans and we will also see much more contribution into the Social Security and Medicare system, as well as the taxes. I mean right now we know that undocumented workers pay into the Social Security system, many billions of dollars, but it could be even more. So yeah we have to do all of that and to talk about just one piece of it I think is misleading and doesn’t help us get to where we can solve the problems that we face.

[pnwmom]

15. Thanks for the complete response. n/t

[askew]

17. Her full answer is full of problems which I outlined in my original post.

That you think her full answer makes it better shows you don't get how appalling her full answer was.

[BlueCheese]

23. I didn't comment at all on whether I agreed with her answer or not.

But thanks for the personal insult regardless.

[Agschmid]

98. It sucks doesn't it?

Sorry you got insulted.

[jkbRN]

44. Errrr,

Did anyone else notice this?

"...So we can do more to stop the problem from where it starts. We can do more to secure our border and we should do more to deal with the 11 or 12 million people who are here, get them out of the shadows..."

[pnwmom]

13. In 2016? So she's time traveling, too? n/t

[askew]

16. I made a typo. But, that doesn't excuse her appalling answer to that question or using

the unacceptable phrase "illegal immigrants".

[pnwmom]

22. I don't think her TOTAL answer was appalling. But I can see how cutting

some snippets out of it, it looks really bad.

Post #11 shows her complete response, in case you missed it.

[askew]

25. My original post addressed the multiple issues with her full answer.

She called undocumented Americans "illegal immigrants"
She bragged about voting for border fences multiple times.

And she is taking credit for Bill's Plan Colombia (which is incredibly controversial) since it lead to poisoning the fields of Colombians and ruining them for growing legal crops and causing adverse health effects on Colombians.

She also talked about the people fleeing from Central American violence without acknowledging that she wanted to send the children back without due process and her State Dept. played a role in backing a coup that led to a violent dictatorship in Honduras which caused an increase in immigration from Central America.

[pnwmom]

28. They immigrated illegally. That's a fact. So she hasn't kept up with the lingo.

That doesn't seem terribly important in the grand scheme of things.

And her position on border fences is something most Americans agree on. We CAN'T have uncontrolled immigration. There is no easy solution to the problem, as she is acknowledging. She isn't calling for more fences. She's explaining how complicated the situation is.

But people who think in black and white terms will never be satisfied with nuance.

[askew]

35. For Latinos the term "illegal immigrants" is incredibly offensive and they have been doing

an outreach effort with the media for years to get them to stop using that term. There is no way Hillary didn't know it was offensive.

And she is courting the Latino vote by pretending she is pro-immigration. Her comments today show that to not be true.

[pnwmom]

131. Well Latino's must not be incredibly offended by Hillary's use of the term because

they are strongly supporting her candidacy.

[KingCharlemagne]

130. Were she around in 1858, Hillary would say that, while

she personally opposed slavery, she still thought escaped slaves should be returned to their owners. Because . . . private property.

[840high]

14. Every time I hear her - I want to scream WTF.

[askew]

18. Me too. I get even more upset when I see progressives in the media

excusing her lack of specifics, her appalling record/rhetoric on multiple issues. None of that matters now to them.

[SoapBox]

19. That's how I feel...

I simply cannot listen to her anymore.

It's like fingernails on the chalkboard.

[pnwmom]

30. Women's voices often affect people that way. Suck it up. n/t

[askew]

36. Aw, there we go. When you can't justify Hillary's appalling words/positions go the sexism well.

Happens all the time with Hillary supporters. As a woman, I find it pathetic.

[pnwmom]

45. As a woman, you shouldn't be defending the term, "fingernails on a chalkboard"

to describe a woman's voice.

Most women have higher pitched voices, and society has taught us -- male and female -- to prefer lower pitches. It's pathetic.

[askew]

51. You are desperately reaching to try to attack people here to derail the thread.

There is no sexism here. But, if you can derail the thread, then no one will be addressing Hillary's appalling comments.

[pnwmom]

59. Her comments are only "appalling" when snippets are taken out of context. And unlike DUers,

Latino voters have been paying attention to ALL of what she says, and that's why they support her now more than any other candidate.

[askew]

63. Her support is driven on name recognition. Sanders and O'Malley have horrible name

recognition in the Latino community.

And her overall record on immigration/refugees are mixed at best.

Her comments are appalling in context.

[pnwmom]

66. That is insulting to the Latino community. They are as well informed

as any other group.

[askew]

67. It's not that they are uninformed on the issues. There is just low name recognition for

Sanders and O'Malley. It's reflected in polls. O'Malley has low name recognition with all groups including Latinos. Sanders is worse with Latinos.

They have low name recognition because Hillary's pal fixed the DNC debate schedule so there would be as few as possible letting Hillary skate to the nomination without actually telling us where she stands on the issues in detail.

[pnwmom]

75. It's not like he isn't out there. They're just not feeling the Bern.

I think one problem Bernie will continue to have with both the Latino and African American communities is that they are the two groups of Democrats with the highest percentage of people for whom religious faith is important.

Hillary can speak to these people. Bernie, an agnostic, not so much.

Another problem he will continue to have with minority voters is his record on gun control. African American and hispanic voters are much more likely than non-hispanic whites to favor gun control.

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/gun-control-2011.pdf


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/09/bernie-sanders-latino-voters-hillary-clinton-vegas

A mariachi band, a Latino neighbourhood, Spanish language posters and bold immigration pledges: Bernie Sanders was pulling out the stops for Nevada’s Hispanic vote.

Short of dancing salsa, the Democratic candidate did all he could to woo this crucial constituency at a rally on a soccer field in Las Vegas on Sunday night.

He surrounded himself with Latinos on stage and promised to fight for agricultural workers and to shelter families from deportation. It signalled the start of an effort to narrow Hillary Clinton’s wide lead with the state’s Latinos.

There was just one problem: the audience at the Cheyenne sports complex was mostly white.

Latinos largely shunned the call to “feel the Bern”, leaving the crowd to dance stiffly to the Mexican music and a question mark over the campaign’s prospects in Nevada.

SNIP

Even if Sanders gains visibility and favourable ratings, though, that may not translate into votes because Latinos seem loyal to the former first lady, who has forged deep ties to the community, said Manzano.

“She has been consistent. Her standing with this population remains really strong.”

[Bluenorthwest]

113. That's a very creepy comment, that Bernie, the first Jewish contender for the nomination, has

to be assumed to be rejected by Christian voters. That's basically what you are saying, that the same religious conservatives who had and have huge issues with LGBT rights and power in the Party are also uptight about a Jewish candidate.

Because his being 'agnostic' is code speak deluxe.

I think your cohort on DU needs to be more careful than you are being about that. I see many comments that make my skin crawl, and I see on one in that cohort objecting to it.

[840high]

37. You suck it up. Women's voices

don't bother me - Hillary's does. It's the falsehoods I hear.

[pnwmom]

41. "fingernails on a chalkboard" is a reference to sound quality.

And it implies high pitch.

It's a sexist reference, whatever your gender is.

[840high]

69. I think you're confused. I did not post that.

[pnwmom]

73. You apparently didn't notice, when you responded to me,

that the person I was replying to had said that.

[840high]

90. So - reply to that poster.

[askew]

42. Yeah to paraphrase David Geffen "she lies with such ease and so often that it is disturbing"

There's a reason why the majority of the country finds her untrustworthy.

[madokie]

117. Its the lies

[artislife]

80. This kind of whining, smears all women as victims

personally, I hate it.

[jkbRN]

49. Glad I am not alone

[Historic NY]

26. I guess Bernie was voting for the same bill Hillary did

http://votesmart.org/bill/4585/14540/27110/border-fence-and-customs-appropriations#14540

[pnwmom]

29. LOL. Thanks. n/t

[BlueCheese]

32. Interestingly, the vote was 89-1.

I didn't realize that the border fence was such a popular thing.

[askew]

38. Who gives a shit what Sanders did?

Unless Bernie spent today bragging about voting for border fences multiple times to keep illegal immigrants out, what he did is irrelevant to this thread.

Do you want to address my multiple criticisms of what Hillary said today?

[BlueCheese]

47. ?????

That doesn't make sense. If it was bad for Clinton to support a border fence, wouldn't it be bad for Sanders to support one too?

[askew]

55. Did Sanders brag about those votes today? Did he call undocumented Americans

"illegal immigrants" today? Did he say any of the other horrible things I talked about today?

No, he didn't. This thread isn't about the original vote. It's about the fact that in 2015 she is still proud of that vote and all the other things she said today.

Hillary claims she has moved to the left on immigration but won't show us an immigration plan nor will she attend the multiple immigration forums where she might have to answer questions on her positions. She is still using GOP talking points in her immigration answers.

Sanders has done none of those things.

[Historic NY]

65. Maybe some will ask him then..

[askew]

68. You want the media to ask Sanders to explain Hillary's appalling comments today?

That makes sense.

I love how Hillary supporters can't actually address the issues I raised in the OP because they are indefensible. Instead there are cries of sexism and lashing out at Sanders for no reason. It's sad. I don't agree with everything my candidate does and I can handle criticism of him without resorting to these tactics. Wish Hillary supporters could do the same.

[treestar]

74. When he voted for it, that's a silly distinction

and he may well have "bragged" about it at some point.

[askew]

94. Bragging about today is the problem. It's offensive to Latino groups.

Not to mention her using the offensive "illegal immigrants".

You can see the backlash to what she said on twitter. People aren't happy.

[PatrickforO]

31. Wow. And yet we're told Bernie has a problem with race.

Well, judge a tree by its fruit and a candidate by her actions.

[askew]

39. Exactly.

O'Malley is by far the best on immigration/refugee issues but Sanders hasn't said anything this tone deaf and he has attended multiple immigration forums and published a good (not great) immigration plan. Whereas Hillary can't be bothered.

Same with criminal justice reform. Hillary is skipping the 20/20 criminal justice forum that O'Malley, Sanders and Ben Carson are attending. She promised a full criminal justice reform plan months ago and still nothing. And Bernie never ran a race-baiting campaign against an AA candidate like Hillary did against Obama in 2008.

[marym625]

52. Jesus Fucking Christ

How can anyone support her?

[askew]

57. I've been asking that question since 2007 and have yet to get an answer that I understand.

[marym625]

61. Same here. n/t

[merrily]

77. Because DNC, her turn and woman. Three great reasons!!

[marym625]

86. Don't forget woman. so very important it's said 3 times

Woman, that is. Woman should be said 3 times to emphasize the point she's different because woman.

[merrily]

102. "First woman President" was our drinking game signal the night of the first debate.

[marym625]

106. so, you got pretty drunk

[merrily]

108. My beverage of choice is ice water. However, laughter got more frequent and more loud

as the evening wore on from people who were drinking alcoholic beverages.

(Being the only non-boozing adult in the room is fun sometimes and sometimes not so much.)

[marym625]

120. I think it depends on if you're with happy drinks or mean drunks.

Happy drunks can be hilarious.

[merrily]

121. I'm lucky, I guess. I've never been in a social setting with a mean drunk.

[marym625]

123. Very lucky!!!

[840high]

112. Bingo.

[Scootaloo]

83. She just told you why they support her.

Really, it's not a big secret, marym. People want Clinton because they want stuff like this.

[marym625]

87. sigh. that is so sad.

Just so very sad

[Aerows]

54. I'm thinking she meant it benevolently

If she gets elected, wages will become so stagnated that there won't be a reason to migrate to the US.

She's encouraging them to stay where they are, pull themselves up by their bootstraps in their own countries, and create their life out of the framework of their country.

They might as well fight there instead of over here.



I'm trying to make it work.

[askew]

64. Ha!

Her comments when she wanted to send the child refugees back to Central America without due process weren't far off from some of your post unfortunately.

[Aerows]

70. It could happen!

[Oilwellian]

56. Guess what "resources" she wants to send to Central & South American countries?

I can't believe she fucking bragged about Plan Colombia.

Check out the resources Bill sent to Colombia. It had nothing to do with drugs.

[askew]

58. Judging by how she handled the Honduras coup and the fact that she bragged about

Plan Colombia being a success, I think we can see exactly what resources she wants to send.

During her tenure at State, our relations with Argentina became frosty as well. Finally starting to dethaw with Kerry at State.

Then, there is the Clinton Foundation's track record in Haiti. Lots of ugliness there as well.

[artislife]

81. She is not to be admired. nt

[jfern]

62. She wants coups against elected Presidents there

Like the one against the President of Honduras. he was just too left-wing for her taste.

[AgingAmerican]

76. The Berlin Wall option

nt

[BeanMusical]

78. What a horrible person.

The more I learn about her, the more disgusted she makes me.

[Flying Squirrel]

82. She's ahead of her time

Considering that it's actually still 2015.

[Aerows]

85. Let's put those

ideas in the past where they belong.

[Flying Squirrel]

88. I was referring to the 2016 in your OP. nt

[Aerows]

89. Huh?

I wasn't the op?

[senz]

84. I wonder why on earth she said that now?

It is so rightwing, I would have expected something like that during the GE, should she win the nomination. But I thought Democrats didn't like the idea of border fences.

Perhaps her focus groups or internal polling are showing an undercurrent of xenophobia among Dems? Or maybe 3rd Way Dems, I could see that -- but they're already in her pocket.

Eh, doesn't make any sense.

[askew]

96. She's shifting to general election mode.

She thinks she has the nomination locked up with her rally in the polls. She got Debbie to coddle her with the friendly debate schedule and has gotten her buddies in top liberal groups to endorse her. She thinks this is sewed up.

But, this is exactly what was her undoing in 2007. She became so sure she had the nomination locked up she didn't see Obama's huge Iowa win coming. Her arrogance will be her undoing again IMO.

[senz]

107. I suspect she's making a mistake.

She probably counts on a complicit CCM (Corporate Controlled Media), DWS keeping the DNC in the bag, and the ability of the Clinton Machine to intimidate anyone who stands up to them.

I dearly hope she gets cocky and shows her hand too soon.

I think this is a positive development.

[askew]

110. I hope you are right. I think she is pretty much unelectable in the general with her

huge negatives and large untrustworthy #s.

[bowens43]

91. why would a conservative calling for border fences surprise anyone?

[Scuba]

92. Perhaps she misspoke, forgetting that she was posing as a Democrat.

[NCTraveler]

93. And Sanders repeatedly voted against a pathway to citizenship.

Seems we should all get behind O'Malley.

[askew]

95. If immigration/refugee issues are your primary concern, then yes.

O'Malley is light-years ahead of either Hillary or Bernie on these issues. He also doesn't have Hillary's troubling past with Latin America (see Honduras coup, causing frosty relationship with Argentina).

That said, Bernie isn't the one who used offensive language towards undocumented Americans. Bernie isn't the one who called Plan Colombia a success yesterday. Bernie isn't the one bragged about voting for border fences yesterday.

Both Hillary and Bernie are evolving from a troubling past on immigration and refugee issues. The difference is Bernie has put out an immigration policy in detail that shows he understands the issue and is now on the right side. Hillary has yet to prove she has actually evolved. And she has said a lot of troubling things this year alone between yesterday's comments and her advocating to send child refugees back to Central America without due process.

[NCTraveler]

97. I find fighting against a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people...

to be far more offensive than "language."

[askew]

99. That isn't all Hillary did.

You are ignoring her other troubling issues in the past like having Spitzer kill drivers licenses for undocumented Americans because it might hurt her election chances. Or her work in Honduras coup or her pushing to send child refugees back to a violent country to likely die without due process.

Comprehensive immigration reform is only 1 piece of the puzzle. If you take a look at O'Malley's immigration platform you'd see how many other elements are important and why O'Malley is by far the best candidate on this issue.

After O'Malley, it's a toss up between Hillary and Sanders. Sanders is more trustworthy than Hillary and he actually put out a plan unlike Hillary.

Lastly, you shouldn't minimize Hillary's use of illegal immigrants. It is an incredibly offensive term and Hillary should damn well know that.

[NCTraveler]

100. I place them in order like this.

O'Malley, Clinton, Sanders a distant third.

You keep acting as if I think Clinton is some beacon here. Something never said by me. I think it is laughable that you say Sanders is more trustworthy in this area considering his past. Nothing in his past shows him to be trustworthy in this area. Same goes for a lot of Clintons past.

[askew]

111. Hillary isn't trustworthy period. She's a proven liar who will say anything to get elected.

[riversedge]

101. "In 2016, Hillary just..." your crystal ball is broke.

[riderinthestorm]

104. Ugh. Just awful

[senz]

105. Bernie protects American workers. Hillary plays on xenophobia.

Bernie's motives are constructive and based on long-held conviction.

Hillary's motives are manipulative and based on expediency.

[Vattel]

109. I guess she is still "against illegal immigrants"

as she said in another interview. Still calling them "illegal immigrants." That's some messed up gringada shit right there. And I notice some are now defending the use of the expression on the grounds that it simply describes accurately people who immigrate illegally. I guess they are okay with "red skin" too because it simply describes accurately people with a certain color skin.

[Persondem]

122. So I guess you are just peachy keen with Sanders being the guy who helped kill

immigration reform in 2007.

He paired with conservative Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on a restrictive immigration amendment. And Sanders backed provisions characterized as poison pills to unravel the bill, while voting to block the final measure in June 2007.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190

[askew]

125. Sanders being wrong doesn't excuse Hillary's appalling comments.

Address that and stop changing the subject.

[Persondem]

127. You keep trying to make that hypocritical stretch

Oh the HORROR!!!!!! She said "illegal immigrants" about people who came to this country (umm, that would make them immigrants) not legally (sounds kinda like ... illegal). What a load of faux outrage over semantics.

So she voted for secure borders, yep, ok, you really nailed her on that one. BUT ..... Bernie voted to KILL IMMIGRATION reform in 2007 and he gets a pass. He was instrumental in the campaign to kill it. Backed poison pill amendments to ensure it's defeat.

You'd like that to just go away wouldn't you? Hypocrite.

[askew]

129. You need to educated yourself. Illegal immigrants is an incredibly loaded and offensive

term there has been years of outreach to the media to get them to stop using this loaded term. Latino media has picked up on what she said and there has been some real backlash about it.

You can keep talking about Bernie but it doesn't excuse her appalling comments.

[UglyGreed]

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