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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:02 PM Nov 2015

These are my primary season predictions:

Hillary will be trying to shore up her base, reaching out to all of her groups, and much of the Obama coalition. She will begin talks to find a VP early I believe, showing herself to be assertive and a leader. Might interview O'Malley who will drop out if he accepts. If they link up, there is no need to discuss Bernie any further because she has way more delegates than before. And her poll numbers are awesome for all her negatives.



O'malley will keep saying awesome things and get ignored by the news media who wants to focus on Ben Carson the crazy-liar and Trump the WTF and Marco Rubio's credit card late payments, like we give a damn about Rubio's credit cards.



Bernie will keep trying to figure out what is wrong, and continue listening to all of the wrong advice. His hard core supporters will be there, loud and excited, but not too much of a draw to democrats, or the Obama coalition. The excitement will wear off for some during the debate season. He has neither begun to shoot up in polls, nor has he been getting those delegates and super delegates. Endorsements either. Numbers will begin to fall off, which will drain more support.



We will be done early this time and have a candidate for the GD by my birthday in March.

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These are my primary season predictions: (Original Post) bravenak Nov 2015 OP
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #1
I do not care if you like me!!!!!!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #2
OMG....this is what they come here for? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #3
YES bravenak Nov 2015 #7
It's like grade school all over again Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #9
I like you...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #4
I like you too.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #6
Hi Sid.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #10
Hehe... SidDithers Nov 2015 #16
Even better than my version! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #20
There's a song that says that. I'll spare you. But I checked: YES. n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #68
LOL that is the funniest post I've read on DU in days. :-) n/t seaglass Nov 2015 #18
+1 BootinUp Nov 2015 #17
I like you. Your 3rd para seems fine to me, doesn't insult anyone or anything. Hekate Nov 2015 #11
It is not what I said but being me while saying it. Cracks me up. bravenak Nov 2015 #13
No kidding. Keep swatting those cooties, cutie. Hekate Nov 2015 #15
I will!! bravenak Nov 2015 #19
I like you baby girl! leftofcool Nov 2015 #29
Thank you!! I like you too. Somebody is cranky, huh? Must be heartbern. bravenak Nov 2015 #42
..... Skidmore Nov 2015 #31
Yay!! Lol@EM! bravenak Nov 2015 #40
I like you. :) Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #39
I like you too! bravenak Nov 2015 #43
l like you! <3 NurseJackie Nov 2015 #47
Thank you! I like you too. bravenak Nov 2015 #48
Oh you poor dear ... However, will you sleep tonight? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #51
I won't. bravenak Nov 2015 #62
Bravenak sez: freshwest Nov 2015 #69
I don't like you. I love you, like a sister, of course. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #55
Love you too, brother. bravenak Nov 2015 #63
There are some fly lovers who still like you. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #58
Thank you. bravenak Nov 2015 #64
What a stunning exposition of political analysis that was... But.. Never Explain... freshwest Nov 2015 #67
Funny huh? bravenak Nov 2015 #82
That's so funny! MineralMan Nov 2015 #80
Isn't it! bravenak Nov 2015 #81
Cool! I love tetherball. MineralMan Nov 2015 #83
Of course. They ARE heavy! bravenak Nov 2015 #85
I'm really strong. I'll be glad to. MineralMan Nov 2015 #86
Thank you. bravenak Nov 2015 #87
That was mean mcar Nov 2015 #36
I'm pretty sure Bernie's departure will be a sad time for you whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #5
You wish. No matter what, people WILL bother me. bravenak Nov 2015 #8
I'd like to see a book or something with the best upaloopa Nov 2015 #30
I keep threatening to write a book on this season. I just might!! It has been a doozy!! bravenak Nov 2015 #32
Hope you do upaloopa Nov 2015 #41
The projection is strong in that one ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #53
No shit. bravenak Nov 2015 #61
Actually, the riling at Democrats will continue. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #75
"It will mark the beginning of your fade into oblivion" sufrommich Nov 2015 #21
That one made me laugh too! bravenak Nov 2015 #25
Is this you,by any chance? sufrommich Nov 2015 #26
Yeeees Dahling! Ready for my close up!! bravenak Nov 2015 #34
LOL ... Now THAT made me laugh! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #54
Bernie is doing well in the first two primary states that vote... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #12
2 states? Ok.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #14
The only states that matter, as far as polling goes... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #59
He's not going to win Iowa and New Hampshire sufrommich Nov 2015 #22
"I see you working VERY hard to convey that meme." Exactly. You said it better than I did. (nt) Electric Monk Nov 2015 #23
Takes ZERO work. That is the problem. Too easy. Just gotta point out REALITY. bravenak Nov 2015 #24
It is why we have primaries angrychair Nov 2015 #33
Bernie has few endorsements and fewer delegates. bravenak Nov 2015 #35
I dont do this angrychair Nov 2015 #45
Policy will not win elections. bravenak Nov 2015 #46
"Coalitions" sounds like "compromise" angrychair Nov 2015 #50
Hillary had more endorsements and nearly all of the delegates in 08 too! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #60
You are correct. It is why we have primaries. blue neen Nov 2015 #44
I live in Iowa and I see a lot of Bernie signs but I haven't seen a single Clinton sign. Luciferous Nov 2015 #49
Bernie is not doing all that well in IA and most recent polls have Clinton up in NH. Persondem Nov 2015 #57
Can you show us where the "trajectory to win Iowa" is? brooklynite Nov 2015 #76
My prediction PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #27
To help me carry Bernie supporters to my rejuvenating Hillary Spa! bravenak Nov 2015 #37
Never. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #71
A sure sign of a bad thread TSIAS Nov 2015 #28
Ok.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #38
Wait! Delegates have been selected already? SheilaT Nov 2015 #52
He doesn't even try. bravenak Nov 2015 #65
I have not talked about O'Malley out of respect. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #56
I know what you mean about giving O'malley respect. I just like him so damn much that I want bravenak Nov 2015 #66
Nooooo! I want Castro to be VP! Take THAT! Make MO'M the Commerce Secretary or I'll... freshwest Nov 2015 #72
And if it's Hillary, I'm going to have to try to find Fawke Em Nov 2015 #70
What are you going to do when Bernie endorses Hillary? moobu2 Nov 2015 #73
Absoultey nothing. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #74
I sure as hell hope not. LWolf Nov 2015 #77
She done started looking for VPs today a few hours after I posted this. bravenak Nov 2015 #78
Sounds about right. MineralMan Nov 2015 #79
Good Idea. I might need to log off for that whole week. bravenak Nov 2015 #84

Response to bravenak (Original post)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
10. Hi Sid....
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

Do you like me....check which one..

__ Yes I like you...

__ I do not like you....



Be sure to get this back to me before recess!

Hekate

(90,692 posts)
11. I like you. Your 3rd para seems fine to me, doesn't insult anyone or anything.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nov 2015

It's just how you see it. The media does seem to like entertainment, like Dr. Ben Spacey and Trump-his-own-horn Donald. But what did you do wrong this time? Nothing, just your own prediction.

What a weird board this is. >smh<

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
48. Thank you! I like you too.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

Weird how folks just blurt out things to me. Then act like the victim later.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
67. What a stunning exposition of political analysis that was... But.. Never Explain...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:36 AM
Nov 2015
You enemies won't believe you and your friends don't need it.

~ Anon.

MineralMan

(146,314 posts)
80. That's so funny!
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

Did you send a note out asking anyone if they liked you? I didn't get one, but I'd check the Yes box. Shades of 6th grade...

MineralMan

(146,314 posts)
83. Cool! I love tetherball.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe I can carry your books after school?

Funny story: A couple of years ago, I went to my 50th high school reunion. Most of the people in my class went through school together, starting in first grade. I was chatting with another alumna, who asked me if I remembered the time when she ran up to me on the playground in first grade and kissed me on the cheek. "How could I forget," I answered, and kissed her on the cheek for old times' sake.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
5. I'm pretty sure Bernie's departure will be a sad time for you
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

It will mark the beginning of your fade into oblivion.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
8. You wish. No matter what, people WILL bother me.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:19 PM
Nov 2015

I'd be happy if you were right, tho. The comments are extreme.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. I'd like to see a book or something with the best
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:47 PM
Nov 2015

of the 2016 primary season OP's and replies.
I think we have reached the point where all this is more like creative art. Like a reality show to see who can come up with the best posts. We just need an impartial jury. Not to hide posts but to award points.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. The projection is strong in that one ...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

should Bernie drop out, that one's reason for posting will disappear.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. Bernie is doing well in the first two primary states that vote...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nov 2015

He's running a competitive race in Iowa and is on a trajectory to win Iowa.

He's also ahead, according to multiple polls--in New Hampshire.

This inevitability nonsense is getting really old. The Clinton camp tried this unsuccessfully in 2008 and Obama won.

This is a competitive race. Bernie supporters in Iowa and NH are working hard to elect him. He's got 72 paid staffers in Iowa and they're fired up.

I realize that the Clinton camp wants to demoralize Bernie supporters into giving up and believing that Bernie has no chance. I see you working VERY hard to convey that meme.

It's just sooooo 2008. It didn't work then and it's not going to work now.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
59. The only states that matter, as far as polling goes...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

...are the first couple of states that vote first in the primaries.

The states that have primaries later are not even plugged into the political scene yet. They are not paying attention. The campaigns don't have ads running in those states and the candidates are making little, if any, appearances in these spots.

We saw this happen with Obama. He was behind in every state, but as we moved on from state to state--the tide shifted and changed.

So yes--the first few states that vote really do reveal the most about who will win.

It's not just "two states". The two most important states right now--Iowa and NH.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
33. It is why we have primaries
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:02 PM
Nov 2015

During the first week of November in 2007, HRC was up an average of 22 points on then SBO (USA Today/Gallup had her up 28)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

HRC was crushing SBO in October of 2007:
"...and in October the same poll showed her commanding majority Democratic support, with 51% compared to Obama's 21% and Edwards' 15%."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_primary_campaign,_2008

Then SBO didn't start polling north of 30 points, as a constant average, until January of 2008.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

All major labor unions had endorsed HRC before December of 2007
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/labor/laborendorse08.html

She had hundreds of endorsements from Congress and other Democratic Party elite and SuperDelegates
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2008

And there was this observation from Gallup (bolded emphasis mine):

"The Democratic Race: Conditions Auspicious for Sen. Clinton to Win
Gallup’s 2007 national presidential polling strongly points to Clinton winning the 2008 Democratic nomination. Barring something unusual or otherwise unexpected, she is well positioned for the 2008 Democratic primaries. Obama has not been an insignificant rival: he came within single digits of tying Clinton for the lead at two points this spring. But he has recently lost ground and is now in the weakest position relative to Clinton that he has been in all year.

No other announced or potential Democratic candidate has come close to threatening Clinton’s front-runner status since the campaign began, including former Vice President Al Gore and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102277/gallup-election-review-october-2007.aspx

Elections are won and lost when they are won and lost.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
45. I dont do this
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

I talk policy and positions and I talk about my candidate by name. While I may have slipped a couple times in the past, as a rule I am trying hard to avoid situations which disparage candidates or the Democratic Party.
I didn't mention Bernie Sanders since he wasn't running in 2008. I did it since it was the most recent and on-topic I could produce as an example of "people win and lose when they win and lose".
I didn't post it to disparage a candidate or your opinion, only to make that point. I am not here to fight with my fellow Democrats and DU members, only to advocate for my primary candidate, Bernie Sanders.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
46. Policy will not win elections.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:18 PM
Nov 2015

Building coalitions do. That is why we have a system. We work together as a group to win. Bernie has no chance unless he get's the human factor. It is how things work. Not just policy and ideals and dreams of utopia. His utopia and perfect policy may not be what we want as a group.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
50. "Coalitions" sounds like "compromise"
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:47 PM
Nov 2015

You hear that said a lot, "real world solutions". You hear "compromise" a lot too. Yes, as a nation, we are doing better than we were 8 years ago. Our president did an amazing job. There is still a lot of potholes in this 'road to recovery'.

A few, less than 1%, are doing a great deal better. We have 53% of all wages earned in America are owned by.08% (yes, point zero eight percent). That is wages alone. Not counting those that don't live on a paycheck. A disappearing middle class is a systemic issue that dramatically impacts all other issues, from student loan debt to crime. It is not the only issue, it is an issue.

No snark or disrespect to you or your preferred candidate, just my opinion. I have read other canidiates' policy positions from their campaign websites plus politics is kind of my thing so I am very aware of what is happening around me in the real world.
Far to many other candidates "real world solutions" don't actually fix the problems or address the actual systemic causes for those problems. They "compromise". So tired of me, people like me, getting told that the "real world solutions" or "compromise" means I get shit on (just work a little harder) while the rich get richer. I am being "compromised" into the God damn poor house.

To be fair, I am not saying that Bernie Sanders has all the policies or systemic fixes laid out to cure all the problems in our country (he is a man, not a mythical being sent to heal the sick or make it rain money) either but his starting point, on almost every issue, is far closer to "righting what is wrong" that other candidate's positions do.
Bernie Sanders and a lot of hard work and protesting from ALL OF US (no one, alone, can fix our issues) is how we start making the system work for us and not against us.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
60. Hillary had more endorsements and nearly all of the delegates in 08 too!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary was securing all of the early endorsements. She had the establishment behind her at the onset of the 2008 Democratic primary. She also had some union endorsements.

Her campaign continually reminded everyone that she had most of the delegates in her pocket too.

All of these things meant absolutely ZILCH. Obama won.

We know that Hillary has the blessing of the status-quo establishment. That's what we don't like about her.

Hillary gets the big donors and the big-name endorsements; Bernie gets the small donors and the $10 and $20 donations from middle-class Americans while Hillary sucks up some of that Super Pac money from her corporate fan club.

As far as the delegates go--They will vote for whomever the Democratic party nominates. The delegates will not go against the will of the party. No way. Again, the Hillary camp tried to suggest in 08 that the delegates were in her back pocket. Another intimidation tactic.

When I watch and listen to the Hillary campaign--and their tired old tactics (I'm inevitable! Your candidate can't win! She's unstoppable!) I feel like looking at leftovers. We've seen this before.

You'd think the Clinton camp would try something new for a change, instead of trying their old, worn-out tactics that were a loser's game in 08.

blue neen

(12,321 posts)
44. You are correct. It is why we have primaries.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

And believe it or not, there are some posters here who have not made up their minds.

I like Bernie Sanders. I do not, however, see him as having a chance to win my state of PA, and there are a lot of delegates here. We'll see.

Luciferous

(6,080 posts)
49. I live in Iowa and I see a lot of Bernie signs but I haven't seen a single Clinton sign.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:23 PM
Nov 2015

I think Bernie is doing well here.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
57. Bernie is not doing all that well in IA and most recent polls have Clinton up in NH.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:10 PM
Nov 2015

Here's IA.....



RCP has Clinton up 24% on Sanders in IA.

They are essentially tied in NH per RCP.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
52. Wait! Delegates have been selected already?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

What did I miss?

And the super delegates are not locked in. There won't be any real delegate counts until the actual caucuses and primaries. So to say that if Hillary selects O'Malley as her VP and then it will be all over because of delegates, doesn't make sense.

I wonder why I've been seeing Bernie bumper stickers and not a single Hillary one.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
56. I have not talked about O'Malley out of respect.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

I also think he is going to have a close run for second in at least Iowa. I want to have the VP discussion about him but he is stronger today than at any point. I think the media is a little concerned about Sanders recent stagnation and are giving O'Malley a little more time. That is definitely the case for online and print. He is also promoting himself extremely well and understands the importance of networking.

Still, he would be an amazing negotiator for the President.

As far as Sanders I think he is doing well overall. It's difficult to manage the initial growth they saw. They are making some changes and moving forward. The rest of what you said about his campaign I believe to be accurate.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
66. I know what you mean about giving O'malley respect. I just like him so damn much that I want
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:52 PM
Nov 2015

him on the ticket. I cannot wait for primaries to be over.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
70. And if it's Hillary, I'm going to have to try to find
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

a job in a better country or stay here and have to work until I die.


Sad loss for this country. Sad to see it turn into an oligarchy.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
74. Absoultey nothing.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

Hopefully, she'll be endorsing him.

But, if he loses, I'll be looking for another primary candidate, but I won't be motivated at all.

I'll vote. I always do just for kvetching rights even though I know not much seems to change. If HRC gets the nomination, I'll know I was correct in my assumption.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
77. I sure as hell hope not.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:19 AM
Nov 2015

The scenario you propose? I agree that O'Malley seems to be marketing himself as Clinton VP material.

In March, though?

That would be just another primary that I don't need to care about, since it would be over before my turn, and my voice/vote would be irrelevant.

That's no way to get anyone excited or energized for the GE. That's the way to disenfranchise large groups of voters. This is my experience talking.

I haven't kept up with what CA is doing, but I hope to hell they are still going with a late primary. With that many delegates up for grabs, it can't be over in March.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
78. She done started looking for VPs today a few hours after I posted this.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

That's one down. Sadly I am usually right.

MineralMan

(146,314 posts)
79. Sounds about right.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:52 AM
Nov 2015

I plan a celebration on March 3, 2016. I think I'll make a monster batch of chili and invite everyone to come over to share it.

I'll stay off DU that day, though, I think. The backlash from Bernie Sanders' endorsement of Hillary Clinton will be too ugly to watch.

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