10 Reasons I'm Only Voting for Bernie Sanders

[pinebox]

Now before all the Hillary supporters start screaming "OMG Goodman!" again, he once again has some very valid points on everything he is saying. Let's talk the issues here shall we & not shoot the messenger.

I'm cutting this way down in size with just an outline....

10 Reasons I'm Only Voting for Bernie Sanders and Will Not Support Hillary Clinton
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/10-reasons-im-only-voting-for-bernie-sanders-and-will-not-support-hillary-clinton_b_8508172.html

In addition, Clinton's negative favorability ratings in 9 out of 10 national polls make her unelectable as a candidate in a general election. If you can name a presidential candidate in American history who voters both didn't trust and didn't like, I'd love to hear the name.

Furthermore, recent polls showing Clinton ahead of Sanders by an astronomical figure target primarily landline telephones and also highlight the fact that even the landline telephone respondents don't trust or admire Clinton. Even in positive polls, there's enough evidence to show that Clinton is simply unelectable in a general election, and I explain why in this YouTube video.

The truth is that Sanders defeats Trump by a wider margin than Clinton in a general election. As for Iowa and New Hampshire, according to an October 5, 2015 NBC News article titled Sanders Outperforms Clinton in General Election Matchups in IA, NH, recent polls show Bernie Sanders more than capable of winning a general election:

Hillary Clinton has always been viewed as the Democrats' best general-election candidate. But new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls of Iowa and New Hampshire show that Bernie Sanders outperforms Clinton in those two general-election battleground states.

1. The Iraq War. Sanders was on the right side of history.

2. The Keystone XL Pipeline. Bernie Sanders has always been against Keystone XL

3. Euphemisms. Bernie Sanders never uses euphemisms. I trust Bernie because he speaks clearly; English is a means to communicate, not shield from criticism. Clinton, on the other hand, lives by euphemism and I explain why Orwell would vote for Bernie Sanders in a recent

" target="_blank">YouTube segment. From a "witch hunt" to wiping a server used out of "convenience" with a "cloth," too many words are used to hide the truth.

4. One candidate is the Charles Darwin of politics. The other is Bernie Sanders. Clinton always evolves; usually following Bernie's lead on issues. I wouldn't sign a contract with an "evolving" clause, nor would I want a president who continually evolves based upon reasons unknown to the average voter

5. Presidential powers. On war and foreign policy, I want a Democrat, not a Republican.

6. The TPP. Sanders has always been against the TPP. Clinton supported it 45 times, but now says she's against it. As POLITIFACT states, "It's up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but we rate Clinton's reversal as a Full Flop."

7. Clinton's 3:00 a.m. ad and Racism.

8. I want a Democrat in the White House. I don't want a moderate Republican on Wall Street, or a neocon pertaining to war.

9. The DNC needs to end its fear of being too progressive.

10. Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate." Clinton represents establishment politics. If you're not voting for Sanders in 2016, don't ever again complain about Wall Street, perpetual wars, or money in politics.

[JaneyVee]

1. Who cares.

[sufrommich]

2. I predict it will take Goodman about 10 minutes

after Sanders loses the primary to pivot back to being a libertarian.

[pinebox]

7. obviously you, thanks for the up tick XD

[sabrina 1]

15. I do! And the OP is just a few more reasons why I support Bernie Sanders!

[Tess49]

22. Exactly. n/t

[artislife]

38. Sort of the point of opinion sites, no?

I actually care.

I care about those points, plus the ones where Bernie will do more to protect this planet.

Because we are rapidly nearing the Thelma and Louise type cliff and there are people denying we are even in the car.

[NCTraveler]

43. Followers of Goodman. nt.

[upaloopa]

3. Goodman is fighting with Chris Cazzilla to be the

one to knock Hillary out of contention.
She has faced much better and always comes out on top.
By Super Tuesday these things will be in the dust bin of history.

[Dawgs]

5. You sure she "always comes out on top"? n/t

[upaloopa]

17. I don't think you can name anyone who has taken

as much crap as Hillary has for the last 45 years and is about to hold the highest office in the land.

[SoapBox]

19. LOL

Uh huh.

[MADem]

4. OMG Goodman. The guy is SUCH a shill. It's embarrassing.

You see his name, you know what you're getting before the first paragraph is read.

Blah blah blah Bernie blah blah Praise Bernie!

The guy is sacrificing any hope of a journalistic career with this level of devotion. Perhaps Sanders will hire him as his public affairs staffer, either on his Senate staff or in his cabinet post.

[artislife]

39. Except for his valid points.

I just read the words, not who wrote them. And I agree.

[zappaman]

6. OK. n/t

[bravenak]

8. Cool!nt

[Xyzse]

9. I understand for the primaries, not for the general election.

I sincerely hope that he only means this for the primaries since I don't see the point of opposing the Democratic candidate to spite oneself and giving the Republican a chance at winning.

That to me is just not a choice.

[Duval]

32. Surely he means the primaries.

I hope no one would sit out an election just because his/her particular candidate wasn't the one to win the primary. Hmmmmm

[Xyzse]

37. That's what I am hoping.

Fortunately, it is a Presidential election and so voting turn out tends to be higher.

[artislife]

40. But what do you think of the .....ISSUES he brings up

Or our we all going to ignore that?

[Xyzse]

47. I tend to agree with Bernie on the issues.

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Though I am more in to O'Malley.

In the primaries, Hillary is my last choice. However, I am pretty happy with her as well.

Being a politician tends to expose one to compromises. There are some parts of her that I find unacceptable, but that is also how I feel about Obama. I tend to think more highly of Clinton's position on education than I do on how Obama has handled matters. Education for me is one of my highest priorities, and yet I still have to admit that Obama has done better than what I credit him for in other issues.

If you wish me to respond to the 10 issues:
1 - Iraq War - I can forgive Clinton for this as I have forgiven Kerry. I felt we were misled in to the war and voting for authorization, trusting that the leadership will only use it as a last resort and being lied to is how I was at the time. It was one of the reasons I hated the GWB administration, as I felt betrayed. Sooo, on that note, I forgive Sanders as well.

2 - Keystone Pipeline XL - Even Obama is now against it. I know Bernie has been consistent about this, but so has O'Malley. I applaud Bernie for his courage as I tend to think most politicians are cowards. By the way, Clinton is also against it.

3 - Euphemisms - Like I said, I like Bernie and enjoy his speaking style. However, I tend to think euphemisms as a tool, and as such it is not a deal breaker for me.

4 - One candidate is the Charles Darwin of politics - Bernie has been consistent, which like I said, I give him plaudits for. I like the fact that he tends to think of how things should be, rather than how things are. Clinton tends to figure out what she can get out of the situation and works towards a goal. Depending on the day, I might give this point to Clinton as it shows an ability to adapt to a situation. I don't believe in all or nothing, I believe in choosing your battles and winning wherever possible.

5 - Presidential Powers - The guy says he wants a Democrat not a Republican. Bernie is an Independent running as a Democrat while Clinton is an established Democrat. Yes, I want a Democrat not a Republican, so whomever wins in the Democratic primaries, I will vote for. Yes, I understand that Clinton's current position is more like the Republicans of yore, however I deal with what I have now. Can I just say I am happy with my 3 Democratic choices? I will work against the Republicans no matter what.

6 - The TPP - Yes, I agree that Bernie has been consistent. Yes politicians are allowed to change their minds. I agree with Bernie on this matter, however I find it a mature response to be able to change one's view, adjust to the current realities and own up to it. I am sure Bernie is also able to do such a thing, and I enjoy the fact that he tends to be right. There are also people who are consistent, yet be consistently wrong. One of my major gripes about the Bush era, was that he was indeed very consistent... Consistently wrong in almost every issue. I am not willing to be bound to just one thought, as I tend to want to look at everything.

7. Clinton's 3:00 a.m. ad and Racism. - I must have missed this one. I remember a 3 am advertisement in 2008, but nothing recent.

8 - I want a Democrat in the White House. I don't want a moderate Republican on Wall Street, or a neocon pertaining to war. - I do like Bernie's positions as well as O'Malley's which are a bit more tempered in regards to Wall Street. In regards to War, I tend to think that is based on the situation on the ground. Though getting in to conflict is what I tend to dislike. I give a little more leeway on this one however as the situation is volatile.

9 - The DNC needs to end its fear of being too progressive. - I can only agree.

10 - Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate." Clinton represents establishment politics. If you're not voting for Sanders in 2016, don't ever again complain about Wall Street, perpetual wars, or money in politics. - I would like Bernie to do well in the primaries. If he wins, great, if he doesn't, well I live on. I can support all 3 candidates monetarily at this time(limited, but still).

I am not too concerned on the Democratic primaries that much really, since I like all 3 candidates.

What I do worry about however are those that deal in absolutes, saying "I will only", since there is a chance you won't get what you want, and I just hope people are willing to make the best of what they get. Since I can't expound enough the importance of voting and not letting a Republican take the White House and being able to appoint more Supreme Court Judges.

Have I satisfied you with my response to each issue?

[bvar22]

10. DURec!

Lets see if ANY of the negative poo flingers dare to discuss any (OMG) ISSUE you have listed in your OP,
or will they all just do their regular thing...attack the messenger.

I'll wait.

[Skidmore]

11. I'm still working on those other

"ISSUES" he/she put up on that other thread--something about post-inauguration impeachment and Benghazaing Vince Foster. So much for the vaunted BS moral high ground.

[bvar22]

13. Is that just another lame excuse for avoiding the discussion of ISSUES?

It sure looks like one.

QUACK

[Skidmore]

14. The last discussion I read through

on ISSUES on another thread had a block in which those two items were presented as ISSUES by the BS supporter and doubled down on. Keep representing. I've been done with Saners for some time now. He's at the bottom of my list.

[bvar22]

18. Another "dodge ball" post?

Why do you suppose the Hillary supporters refuse to discuss ISSUES?

[sabrina 1]

16. You don't have to wait. Issues are not important, didn't you know? Only to the growing

army of Bernie supporters.

[SoapBox]

20. And it is an army.

[Scruffy1]

23. I've noticed the same thing

It seems the Hillary supporters are mostly a personality cult. They hardly ever discuss issues.

[artislife]

41. Ding, ding, ding!

Exactly.

Fortunately, I have so many on fly swatter ignore, I am getting a very weak force of deflection.

[Dustlawyer]

21. Bernie would absolutely beat whatever clown car the Republican Party runs!

The contrast in their platform vs. Bernie's would be stark, and they would have to give Bernie the air time he doesn't get now. Hillary would get comatose Republicans out of bed to vote against her. She draws their ire like stink on dog poop! She is too canned, too long of a history of reversal of positions when it became politically expedient to do so. She is not quite Republican, not quite Democrat, but the worst of both.

It is Hillary who cannot win the General, Bernie will though, so you HRC fans need to vote for Bernie so that we can make sure we appoint the next SCOTUS justices. We would just be handing the Republicans a victory they don't deserve if we nominate Hillary. We must vote for Bernie, its too important not to!

[We_Must_Organize]

24. Cut off your nose to spite your face?

I've donated to Bernie (and will donate at least a few more times), made calls for Bernie, and believe that Bernie is the most genuine presidential candidate I've ever seen. But would I not vote for Hillary in the general? And risk another Republican administration??? Never. All Bernie supporters need to do everything in their power to get Bernie the nomination. However, if we fall short we need to get Hillary across the finish line.

[Dem2]

33. I agree n/t

[NobodyHere]

25. The 3am ad was racist? Seriously?

There are many good points on the list but I just don't get that one.

[Catherina]

46. Yes it was. Undertone "We can not trust a Muslim, a Black man, to protect White kids"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11patterson.html?_r=0

[artislife]

48. So easy for them to forget the underlying message. nt

[NobodyHere]

50. It seemed to me that she was attacking his inexperience

[Catherina]

51. With Obama's face darkened and widened and with the unspoken message

With Obama's face darkened and widened and with the unspoken message "It's 3am, do you want a Negro watching your children?"

That's how it came across to me and many others at the time. Just search through the DU archives.

[winter is coming]

53. +1. Even with the Iraq vote, that choice of tactics makes HRC a no-go candidate. n/t

[Flying Squirrel]

26. "If you can name a presidential candidate in American history

who voters both didn't trust and didn't like, I'd love to hear the name."

Mitt Romney!

Oh, you mean one who WON?

[Historic NY]

27. Dick Nixon..........

he was a dick to his dying day.

[Fearless]

30. W. the second time.

[staggerleem]

28. Quoting Senator Sanders from ABC's This Week, yesterday:

"On her worst day, Ms. Clinton is still 100 times better for the American public than any Republican candidate." Need I say more?

No, but that's not gonna stop me. Today, and throughout the Primary season, I am 100% behind Bernie Sanders, because in the Primaries, you fall in love.

But for the General Election, you've GOTTA fall in line! NOT VOTING is equivalent to Voting for a Republican (note the various Republican "Voter ID" plans, designed to nothing but limit Democratic turnout - their "Voter Fraud!" is just another way to say "Benghazi!" - like McCarthy said, it's all about "bringing (the) numbers down." Likewise voting Green Party, etc. If Bernie Sanders loses the Primary, HE WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY!

If you support Bernie, and he does not win the Primary, SO SHOULD YOU!

Any questions?

[bvar22]

49. Has Hillary returned the favor of praising her opponent?

...or is that just something Bernie does out of integrity and respect for the system and Party.

[leftofcool]

29. OK

[BlueStateLib]

31. Only one person voted against the war

And that was Rep Barbara Lee.

The August 26, 2002 opinion by White House lawyers that Bush does not require Congressional approval for an attack on Iraq. Supposedly, the 1991 resolution secured by the elder Bush for Operation Desert Storm is sufficient. "We don't want to be in the legal position of asking Congress to authorize the use of force when the President already has that full authority," a senior White House official told the Washington Post.
http://www.thenation.com/article/imperial-presidency/

[floriduck]

34. I'm in complete agreement with those reasons.

This is not the time to elect a DINOsaur.

[Starry Messenger]

35. 11.) He lives a low-stakes existence with no skin in the game.

[ejbr]

36. I agree with everything stated in this OP

BUT I will vote for Hillary anyway should Bernie not pull it off. Why? Because I want to be one of the many reasons that republican heads will explode. Those pig shits deserve nothing!

[Autumn]

42. I only need 2 reason to vote for for Bernie Sanders

1. Bernie represents my needs as an American.
2. Bernie represents my values as an American.

[MineralMan]

44. H. A. Goodman's Dream Ticket: Bernie Sanders/Rand Paul

Truly.

[firebrand80]

45. "Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate."

If by "once in a lifetime" you mean "a slightly more talented Dennis Kucinich," then yes, I suppose he is pretty special.

[WillyT]

52. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!