It's very white': Las Vegas audience exposes Bernie Sanders' Latino problem

[misterhighwasted]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/09/bernie-sanders-latino-voters-hillary-clinton-vegas?CMP=share_btn_tw

'It's very white': Las Vegas audience exposes Bernie Sanders' Latino problem

A mariachi band, a Latino neighbourhood, Spanish language posters and bold immigration pledges: Bernie Sanders was pulling out the stops for Nevada’s Hispanic vote.

Short of dancing salsa, the Democratic candidate did all he could to woo this crucial constituency at a rally on a soccer field inLas Vegas on Sunday night.

He surrounded himself with Latinos on stage and promised to fight for agricultural workers and to shelter families from deportation. It signalled the start of an effort to narrow Hillary Clinton’s wide lead with the state’s Latinos.

There was just one problem: the audience at the Cheyenne sports complex was mostly white.

Latinos largely shunned the call to “feel the Bern”, leaving the crowd to dance stiffly to the Mexican music and a question mark over the campaign’s prospects in Nevada.

“I do notice it’s very white,” said Nathan Rudig, 33, a research analyst, eyeing fellow Sanders supporters. “He’s going to need the Latino and African American vote.”

[daleanime]

1. When will white people learn....

to stop caring about their friends, neighbors, and co-workers. It's down right un-american.



And just in case.

[retrowire]

27. exactly

don't they realize when they get together it hurts people's eyes because of all that whiteness?

white people, please call each other up and let each other know there is a fucking quota on the whiteness at these events. geez. hurting peoples eyes.

[mythology]

106. The problem comes when we try to tell minorities that we know best

If Sanders is having trouble gaining traction with minority voters, the solution isn't to lament that minorities aren't appreciating white people caring. It's to find how to make Sanders' message resonate better. Sanders has a legitmately good record. It shouldn't be that hard to close some of that gap.

[Squinch]

111. Look at the two posts above you. You are absolutely right, but I doubt you will be heard by those

who need to hear you.

[daleanime]

112. I would think it's more along the lines of those who look only for evil...

find it everywhere. But what do I know, I thought want good things for people would be...well, a good thing. How naive of me.


And once again, not that it matters

[Squinch]

116. Read the post I was responding to again.

[askew]

2. I think the mariachi band is part of the problem as well.

Seems like pandering but maybe that is standard for doing rallies in Nevada.

[BainsBane]

15. I have to say that really stuck out

I don't know how Latinos feel about it, but it kind of makes my skin crawl.

I also don't think it makes up for voting in support of the Minutemen or against immigration reform.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.VkDwP4TydUQ

[askew]

33. Apparently Hillary did it too

https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/663766981607186436

I don't think that made up for her wanting to send child refugees back to Central America without due process.

Both, Hillary and Bernie have mixed records on immigration/Latino issues.

[AgingAmerican]

55. Did it make your skin crawl when Hillary had a Mariachi band in Nevada?

Or does it only make your skin crawl when it happens at a Sanders rally?

[BainsBane]

105. It might have

If I'd read about it in the context of her not being able to attract Latino voters.

[freshwest]

119. Oh, I'll go and see a mariarchi band for any reason. HRC had a women's mariarchi band from LA. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

54. Was it a problem when Hillary did it?

Or only when it happens at a Sanders rally?

[SoapBox]

96. Bingo!

And the idiots that wrote this article, must have missed pictures of the very MIXED crowd.

Another slimy hit article.

[Autumn]

113. It's never a problem if it's done by Hillary

[Hekate]

71. Here in California we like Mariachis, & with our enormous Latino population it would seem ....

...kinda normal for some political rallies to include them. Can't say about Nevada. But if you are aiming for a particular crowd, you'd give some thought to the entertainment.

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. Here in Arizona, too. n/t

[Hekate]

89. So the real problem is not the entertainment, but the low/no draw of the intended audience.

In other words, good try -- but no success.

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. I suspect that is accurate. ...

I was at a political event, just this past weekend ... they had a mariachi band playing and, probably, 1/2 the crowd was Latino ... But then, the event was for a candidate with close, strong, and long-time connections to the Tucson Mexican community.

[freshwest]

120. Loved 'em in TX, thrilled to see them in WA, too. Great music, it just feels good! n/t

[bravenak]

3. I said that on DU and got a hide. We are supposed to pretend not to notice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Why did you get a hide for pointing out how certain groups are voting?

Thank you in advance...

[bravenak]

5. Because I said 'white ass crowds'.

As in he has them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Last time I tried to explain it I was insulted...

Whether or not a person likes the Clintons they have been involved in the Latino and African American communities for over forty years since they were field organizers for George McGovern in south Texas registering Mexicans to vote... Both Bill and Hill have lifelong confidantes and advisers from both the Latino and African American communities. They aren't window dressing.

Also, members of that group remember the good economic times of the Clinton prosperity of the 90s.

I will give you an analogy...Two friends ask you to loan them five hundred bucks. You know one of them for three months...You know the other one for twenty years...Who gets the loan?

[bravenak]

12. Twenty years, yo!

That is my point too. We don't KNOW him. We do know his fans. Not amused.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I am not saying he is a good or bad guy...I will leave that judgment to others...

But common sense suggests that folks are going to be more comfortable with folks they have known for decades than folks they have known for months...Here's something that is often missed...They know their flaws as well as their strengths.

[bravenak]

18. We need to know what to expect.

I have no idea what to expect from him. Nothing? That.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I don't understand why that is so hard for some folks to understand.

Some folks aren't going to buy a "pig in a poke" when they need that pig to feed them.

Folks that ignore street smarts and rely exclusively on book smarts miss out on a lot.


I am going to the library in West Hills soon. (Victory and Platt), ever been there?

[bravenak]

23. My Good do they.

Yep. Had a boyfriend in West Hills before he moved to North Hills. He used to take me to the library. Call me nerd.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Two very different "Hills" for anyone who know the SFV.

I don't have a car so I can do my shopping at the strip mall across the street and then go to the library...If you much further west you will be in Ventura County.

[bravenak]

29. Very different Hills. He had moved back to his mom's house.

Nice place.

I stayed outta Ventura county. Almost as bad as Orange county. Hated Simi Valley too. Bakersfield.
I wish we had better transit up here but there is nowhere to go. I live downtown so I can walk to the museum. Had a Van Gogh exhibit there. I went. Alone. Soo nice to just go by myself for once. Stayed 2 hours. Love the art museum better than the library I think.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. West Hills is fifteen minutes from where I live by bus.

West Hills is homogeneous. North Hills isn't.

Ever been to the downtown library in L A. It is really cool and big!!! But it's an hour and one half away by bus...

I once took the public transportation from Woodland Hills to Long Beach, wow...

[bravenak]

38. Hell yeah i been there!

I used to go during my shopping trips to the garment district. My cousin keeps trying to get me to open a store with him and have me go back down and buy clothing. Everything is bigger in LA. Our big library is small in comparison. Bout as big as the long beach library, the main one.

[AgingAmerican]

40. Folks knew the Bushes for decades when GW was elected

"Common sense suggests that folks are going to be more comfortable with folks they have known for decades than folks they have known for months"

How'd that one work out?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Good question...

I guess the better question is how did it work out for the folks who liked them and voted for them and if they regret their votes.

[valerief]

32. How the hell did Barack Obama get elected then? nt

[bravenak]

35. He has always been a part of the black community. He organizes people.nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. To expand the analogy a bit farther ...

Two friends ask you to loan them five hundred bucks. You know one of them for three months...You know the other one for twenty years, and, no one you know that has known her for longer, is willing to stand up (endorse) her ...Who gets the loan?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. Well

Respectfully, that has more to do with the fact that most folks are skeptical of revolutions and talk of revolutions, political or otherwise, and are aware that the only thing worse for the people on whose behalf the revolution is ostensibly being fought than losing the revolution, is actually winning it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. Seems you know a little bit about history ...

I can't think of any "revolution" that did much more than replace one ruling class with another ... and that new class, wasn't drawn from the least of "the People."

[freshwest]

134. Anarchy is a right wing revolution and not voting is a vote for the status quo...

Oh, yeah, fooled again by the oligarchs, they've got all the bases covered in the left - right paradigm. Remember what you said:

And "Mission Accomplished" ...
could be heard whispered throughout the land. (It seems)

GOP: "Government doesn't work" ... Check!

Libertarians (right and left): "Government is evil" ... Check!

Tea Party: "Government doesn't work and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

"Liberals/Progressives": "Government is evil and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

The media has played this narrative on a 7-day, 24-hour loop.

Result: Only 15% of the American people pay close attention to the only mechanism for change.

Nicely played, Oligarchs!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025642630#post14

[Lancero]

39. Their is a diffrence between pointing things out...

And being insulting while doing so.

You didn't get a hide because you pointed something out, you got a hide because you knowingly and intentionally phrased it to insult a group of Democratic voters.

[bravenak]

42. You do not need to worry about my hides for me and the reasons why.

If there were more black folks here on juries it would have gone the other way.
If facts are insulting, fine, people insult me with 'facts' all the time. The crowds have not changed in the past few months and I'd think people would be more interested in changing that than stopping folks from mentioning it.

[Lancero]

44. Facts aren't insulting, but phrasing is.

Saying his crowds are white isn't insulting - It's fact.

Saying his crowds are white ass, while fact, is phrased to be insulting.

You didn't get a hide for posting facts, you got a hide because you phrased it to be insulting.

[bravenak]

47. I do not need you to explain the jury system. Skinner explained it to me HIMSELF.

So what is this thing you are doing? You think I cannot figure this out without you? I can.

[Lancero]

50. I'm not explaining the jury system, I'm explaining on how I'd vote...

On similarly styled posts.

[bravenak]

51. Don't need you to explain that either.

[Lancero]

52. Fair enough

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. I am White and it doesn't insult me...

my ass like the rest of me...IS White..

[jack_krass]

118. I'm white too, and it doesnt insult me either,

But I wasn't in the crowd
Granted, I'm not familiar with the context or lead up to when the phrase was used, but I'd never use that language to describe a primarily black crowd.

[VanillaRhapsody]

138. Then yes you are....

[freshwest]

123. Just try saying you were snowblinded. I sure was when I first moved up here.

I mean, we have all these mountains with snow on them and stuffs. You gotta wear some shades!

[bravenak]

125. They might have a heart attack if I said that!!!

Everything I say is EVIL.

[freshwest]

129. And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout...

for my evil sis!

[bravenak]

135. Hee hee! I love being EVIL.

[freshwest]

121. LOL at your sig line! Brave! But love mariarchi music. Get any in AK? n/t

[bravenak]

122. No real mariachi.

We have a few places that serve real food and have music.

[freshwest]

124. Come to my casa and I'll cook you some of the real stuff! Yum! n/t

[bravenak]

126. Yuuuuuummmm!!!

Carne asada!!!

[freshwest]

132. And chili verde and chili rellenos! And real tamales! n/t

[William769]

6. Kick & recommended for exposure.

[cosmicone]

7. kick n/t

[ismnotwasm]

8. Interesting

Thanks for posting!

[sheshe2]

9. KnR

Thanks Mister. I am not surprised.

[AgingAmerican]

11. Yet Hillary's audiences are just as white, or whiter

But that's different.

lol@ where's Waldo.

[bravenak]

13. Like the one BLM interrupted? Oh. No. They were all black.

Where is Bernie's all black crowd? Hillary has some.

[AgingAmerican]

16. Hillary spoke to blacks once?

Well good for her!

Now if only her policies didn't harm them, it would be the perfect storm!

[bravenak]

17. She does it all the time. When will Bernie give it a try, do you think?

[AgingAmerican]

19. So she did it once, good for her!

She can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But she can't fool all the people all of the time.

[bravenak]

20. I said all the time. He NEVER DOES. Never. Never ever. No wonder we are not in his crowds.

He ignores us.

[AgingAmerican]

22. So run with corporate then, it's been so good to POC.

Because Bernie 'ignores' POC

[bravenak]

24. Ooooooh!!

Let me know when he visits those poor blacks he cares so much about from his perch in Vermont.

[AgingAmerican]

31. "I said all the time. He NEVER DOES. Never. Never ever"

Sanders speaks to black audience in SC.

[bravenak]

53. Those are not his supporters. Captive audience. Lolol!

[AgingAmerican]

56. "He never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever!!1!!

Too late to backpedal. You have a nice day!!!

[bravenak]

57. Have a Happy Hillary Day!

[Fearless]

25. Yet consistently voted in favor of good legislation...

[Art_from_Ark]

128. That is unadulterated horse manure

Really, you just make a lot of crap up and pass it off as true

"Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) speaks to mostly African American voters and students at Benedict College in Columbia, South Carolina on Saturday September 12, 2015." Melina Mara / The Washington Post/Getty Images



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/bernie-sanders-cornel-west-go-sc-were-black-voters-listening-n427711

[bravenak]

130. So a college? NOT IMPRESSED. Show him on skid row at a soup kitchen then maybe.

[Art_from_Ark]

131. Never satisfied, are you?

Always moving the goalposts.

pfffft

[bravenak]

133. Why the hell should I be?

His supporters are not satisfied, why should I be?

[Art_from_Ark]

140. You seem to be satisfied with Hillary

Even though she has done far LESS than Bernie in terms of race relations.

Hell, she even defended corporate power companies against average citizen rate-payers (many of whom are African Americans) in Little Rock.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Corporations.htm

[randys1]

28. Which Hillary, not Bill policies harm them?

There are likely some, as she is a typical white politician, but can you name them?

[AgingAmerican]

36. Banking

For starters, from whom she has been taking millions of dollars for years. Private prisons, whose lobbyists are doing her fundraising. Etc, etc.

[randys1]

37. Positions?

BE specific, you might even win over new supporters reading this.

[AgingAmerican]

43. It's impossible to put a finger on her positions

Because she keeps flipping them. She has proclaimed herself a 'moderate'. There is no 'moderate' ideology in the USA, so more vagueness there too.

She pretends to mimic Sanders positions, but has to contradict herself to do so. Can you tell me what her position on medical marijuana is? Or what her position on private prisons is? Please, do tell.

If you believe the country needs more of the same then she is you candidate.

[randys1]

45. So none. I have no illusions of her being the saviour to the middle class that I know Bernie

wants to be, but at the same time it would be nice to have facts and not hyperbole.

We see a lot of that with the "Obama is bought off" folks.

Are we gonna see another 8 yrs of it if she is elected?

[AgingAmerican]

46. Bernie just wants to get the country back on track

Hillary want's more of the same. We can do better than more of the same.

[randys1]

48. When it comes to bankers and Wall street, I think you are right.

Here is the rub, while you and I (assuming we are white males) have huge issues with this, rightfully so, we can afford to ignore the issues where there is a huge difference between Hillary and the right.

[AgingAmerican]

49. If the banks don't get dealt with, the economy will collapse again

Because the Obama administration made a conscious decision not to prosecute, and they are still doing what collapsed the economy in 2007.

Doubtful anything would change under Hillary. She has made tens of millions in fees from them. She is embedded into the problem.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Why would we want it to change.....its getting better all the time...

I like the trajectory we are on...

[AgingAmerican]

61. The derivatives market is still unregulated

It never stopped. Nothing was done about it. Now they are buying up foreclosed rentals and repackaging them as derivatives and selling them to investers, just like they did with bad home loans. The next collapse will most likely happen in 2016.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. So? We are still on a good path right now....

Why would we want to change horses mid race?

[AgingAmerican]

64. "So?"

So what if the economy is ready to collapse again? This time it's a good collapse?

Why would we want to change horses mid collapse?

[VanillaRhapsody]

65. Yes so....do you know she WON'T do anything about it?

No you don't...

Hillary Clinton on Corporations
Click here for 23 full quotes on Corporations OR other candidates on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
OpEd: Disagrees with progressives on corporatism & military. (Dec 2014)
Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm#Corporations

[AgingAmerican]

66. Because they have paid her millions of dollars in fees

Thus making her part of the problem.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. And

Hillary Clinton on Budget & Economy
Click here for 22 full quotes on Budget & Economy OR 10 older headlines OR other candidates on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.
We need bankruptcy reform, but we need the right kind. (Aug 2014)
1998: Personally lobbied Congress against bankruptcy bill. (Apr 2014)
The economy is not working for middle class families. (Jan 2008)
Look back to 1990s to see how I’d be fiscally responsible. (Dec 2007)
Balanced budget replaced with rising costs & falling wages. (Jun 2007)
2000: Eight years of a great economy is not enough. (Jan 2007)
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005. (Oct 2006)
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium. (Oct 2000)
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)
Supports Niagara casino, but prefers job creation strategy. (Sep 2000)
Protect next generation by paying off national debt. (Aug 2000)
We have outlived the usefulness of Bretton Woods. (Jun 1999)
The economy creates consumers but cannot create citizens. (Jun 1999)
Invest in people instead of “smokestack chasing”. (Feb 1997)

Voting Record

Voted to limit credit card interest to 30%. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Consistently against making bankruptcy stricter. (Jan 2008)
2005 bankruptcy bill was by big credit cards & lenders. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007)
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)

[AgingAmerican]

74. They have paid her millions in fees

So do not expect anything with teeth from her re: banking.

[VanillaRhapsody]

78. They have?

Or have they paid millions in fees that Hillary gave to the Clinton Foundation which helps the poor around the world?

[AgingAmerican]

80. To HER for speeches

Follow the money

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. that she gives to THEM for charity!

"The nearly 100 speeches earned between $12 million and $26 million for the foundation. The list also doesn’t disclose the dates and locations for each speech, as Mrs. Clinton is required to do on her personal financial disclosures.

Dominating the list is Mr. Clinton, who has made 72 speeches whose fees went to the foundation. Mrs. Clinton, who was prohibited from giving paid speeches while she held office as a senator and secretary of state for most of the last 13 years,—has given 16, and Chelsea Clinton has given nine."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-foundation-received-up-to-26-million-from-familys-speaking-fees-1432260527

[AgingAmerican]

83. Her personal fortune is $45 Million

Almost all of it is from speaking fees. Hillary has no intention of reinstating Glass-Steagall.

[freshwest]

136. We'll see it no matter which Democrat is elected. And I'll defend BS, HRC or O'M from the RW. n/t

[Hekate]

90. Won't win over any supporters with that flashing ad. It gives me brain cramp every time I scroll by.

What exactly is that supposed to achieve?

[freshwest]

137. Inducing a bout of Photosensitive epilepsy (PSE)? I know friends who have it and I'm sensitive.

I had friends on youtube who had it along with their children and the sociopaths made a point of posting videos with fast flashes on their pages for the LULZ. Strange what makes some people happy is making others hurt. At least we have an ignore function here.

[jfern]

73. The 2001 bankruptcy bill

Bill had vetoed a similar bill, but Hillary voted for it.

https://www.americarisingpac.org/warren-slams-democrats-like-hillarybiden-supporting-bankruptcy-bill/

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. ONE point doesn't create a trend....

See you cannot look at this myopically. This is an entire career we are judging....

[Control-Z]

108. And Hillary does have a long, impressive, entire career

starting the day she graduated college. (Actually before she finished college. ) Unlike some who didn't start working until they were almost 40 years old.

[nc4bo]

77. At one time she was very concerned about hardworking

White Americans or some such.

Wonder if she and her campaign are still very worried about hardworking white folks?

Hey....we can all play the tit for tat game.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. She STILL does..

You are not playing THIS game...THIS game requires evidence...lots and lots of evidence

Hillary Clinton on Welfare & Poverty

In the face of suffering, God calls on us to respond. (Apr 2008)
Make sure the economy works for everybody. (Jan 2008)
Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones. (Dec 2007)
Considered idea of $5000 at birth to pay for future college. (Oct 2007)
Time-out for mortgage companies on march toward foreclosure. (Sep 2007)
Wellesley thesis: Saul Alinsky & people over bureaucrats. (Jun 2007)
Hedge funds incentivize risk, but need regulation. (Apr 2007)
Welfare reform was critical step despite flaws. (Nov 2003)
Lazio weakened housing standards and limited public housing. (Oct 2000)
Lazio fought against FHA on low-interest housing loans. (Oct 2000)
Equal access to capital and jobs. (Jan 2000)
Working should mean no poverty. (Jan 2000)
Community involvement helps, but only in short term. (Dec 1999)
Don’t criminalize the homeless. (Dec 1999)
1969 thesis: Alinsky’s reforms too short term & local. (Apr 1999)
Microcredit is an invaluable tool in alleviating poverty. (Feb 1997)
Link payments to good parenting behavior. (Feb 1997)
1976: Founded first indigent legal aid in Fayetteville AR. (Aug 1993)
Won series of high school awards, but barred from athletics. (Aug 1993)
Finish welfare reform by moving able recipients into jobs. (Aug 2000)
Establish a National Affordable Housing Trust Fund. (Jul 2003)
Tax credits to promote home ownership in distressed areas. (Apr 2003)
Fully fund AmeriCorps. (Jun 2003)

[nc4bo]

85. Dang.....dusty!

My trust account has been depleted, sorry but that's just the way it be.

I opened a new account elsewhere and I saw quite a few others doing the same.

[VanillaRhapsody]

86. What are you talking about?

She wasn't born with a Trust fund....

[nc4bo]

87. I wasn't referring to her finances.....or $$ at all.

Trust.

Plain and simple trustworthiness not dollars.

[VanillaRhapsody]

88. and what evidence do you have of that?

[nc4bo]

91. .

She is not MY primary candidate for the HUGE reason given above.

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. You didn't answer the question...

I will take that as...you can't.

[nc4bo]

93. Guess you don't read the Sanders vs Clinton threads?

that's ok, I can understand.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. Yes I have....

You still cannot answer....

[nc4bo]

98. I have no need.

Nice playing with you though.

And always remember.....trust is difficult to regain once lost.

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. You mean you have no ability....

Yeah she has lost SO much trust...only 80% of Democrats support her!!

[retrowire]

30. kicking...

out the BLM activists is what Hillary did.

Bernie let them take the stage because he knew they needed the mic more than him.

feelthebern.

[NCTraveler]

58. Do you have a link to the video where he let them take the stage? Thanks. nt.

[retrowire]

63. really?

bernie in Seattle?

[NCTraveler]

67. I was just asking where he let them take the stage at one of his events. Didn't mean to offend.

Are you talking about the rally held by others where he was a speaker? The one where the courageous young girl took to the stage to fight for equality as people yelled "taze her" and "We already took care of race"?

I thought that was put together by someone else. I wouldn't want to take credit for all of the racists near the stage at that event yelling at the hero Marissa.

I was assuming you were talking about an event where Sanders was in control of security.

[retrowire]

70. that is the event im speaking of

it is the only event I can recall where activists ever took the stage and mic from him so forgive me for being touchy.

[misterhighwasted]

69. I think bernie just shuffled off to his next event.

Didn't he ignore blm both times?
That's not impressive diplomacy as a President is it?

[NCTraveler]

72. I'm actually of the impression Sanders did ok at the event the poster was mentioning.

They just attempted to use it as a foolish cheap shot. Really doesn't work if one knows of that which they are talking as you and I do. I will say that I'm not sure what I would have done in Sanders shoe's at that event. He wasn't in control of security. It actually had to be a little frightening. He was absolutely rolling from event to event and then this out of no where. Not an easy position to be in. I have absolutely no clue why he was going around at that point without his own security team for these things. You are correct that nothing about that says Presidential.

I do find many people that were on the front row to be sick racists. Marissa is a courageous hero. So much of what is happening can be tied to her actions.

[MisterP]

75. Latinos need to back the candidate who gives them what they deserve:

absolute guarantees to kingpin-led coups whose sicarios kill 200 and who've introduced rape-specialist units to the police, and "send them back"

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/honduras-archives-46/3958-is-the-world-bank-funding-death-squads-in-honduras
http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewtopic.php?p=680308
http://conexihon.hn/site/noticia/derechos-humanos/derechos-humanos-conflicto-agrario-y-minero/alrededor-de-92-muertos-deja
https://honduprensa.wordpress.com/tag/dinant/page/2/

[misterhighwasted]

102. I think they'd also appreciate being acknowleged as voters in 2016

Hillary has done this.
Bernie? Barely a nod in their direction.
But ignoring minority groups, that have waited to be recognized as having credible concerns specific to their race in this Nation, is becoming a typical method of how bernie handles racial controversy.

A Press release & a shout-out in his stump speech is pathetic.
And they know it. They do feel that bern also, only not the same way he'd like them to.
This is why they stand united beside Hillary Clinton 2016.
Thanks bernie.

[Xyzse]

97. I don't really see this as a problem at the moment.

He is not as well known as Clinton, however he has made quite a bit of inroads.

This will most likely change later. At the moment, I feel like this is a manufactured crisis.

[HerbChestnut]

100. "At the moment, I feel like this is a manufactured crisis."

You think?!?! Some people have been trying to paint Bernie as some kind of racist with a PoC problem since the middle of the summer. You have to wonder how much of that became a self fulfilling prophecy. Fortunately, it looks like Bernie's campaign is finally starting to make inroads.

[Xyzse]

141. Well, I do tend to go for understating things.

I just don't understand the infighting really.

[mhatrw]

103. advantage Hillary

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/09/bernie-sanders-latino-voters-hillary-clinton-vegas?CMP=share_btn_tw

As Sanders supporters gathered on the soccer field, the Clinton campaign was training field teams, including a lesson in phone technique to a group of bilingual high school students. Not all came purely for love for the big H.

“I was told to come,” said one girl. “I’m doing community service.”

[misterhighwasted]

107. Good for that one girl. i hope she took her role in organizing serious. She was with the right group

All she learned that day, from the hundreds of supporters who have their heat & soul in fighting to change the injustices of the GOPTeaParty, will serve her well in her future.
Bless her heart.

[Prism]

109. Yay! Racial mud!

*roll roll roll roll roll*

My favorite bit is when upper middle class white people manage it.

[mhatrw]

110. From the quoted concern trolls to the authors to the editors to the publishers ... nt

[Fawke Em]

114. Bullshit.

The Latinos who attended knew this was coming and started Tweeting about it last night! I didn't know why until just now.

There were a lot of light-skinned Latinos in the crowd posting their pictures using the #notlatinoenough hashtag.

Keep trying, M$M.

#bernieinvegas #tiobernie @DREAMerJ_D

[Unknown Beatle]

115. I call bullshit on this.

I'm Latino and I'm for Bernie. All my family, relatives and Latino friends are for Bernie.

Feel The Bern!

[Cha]

117. Gracias, mister!

[Warren DeMontague]

127. Half of GD:P is threads about Hillary Clinton, the other half threads about Sen. Sanders' Supporters

Gee, that's odd.

[NCTraveler]

139. His opposition to a pathway to citizenship in'07...

For economic reasons doesn't sit well with many in the community. Common sense and something few have been willing to talk about. Latinos know there is a long list of items higher on Sanders priority list that ending their oppression. That really isn't an opinion, it's fact.