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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:55 PM Nov 2015

O’Malley: Bernie Sanders Is “Rewriting History” Of Obama Support In 2012

WASHINGTON — Martin O’Malley said on Sunday that Bernie Sanders needs to stop “rewriting history” about the 2012 presidential campaign and his criticism of the president

“The reelection of the president was actually a harder election than the first one, and a time that we needed people to rally and get up for the battle at hand. And that’s what I did,” O’Malley said in a phone interview with BuzzFeed News from Las Vegas, where Sanders and O’Malley are both courting the Latino vote at an immigration policy forum. “At the same time, Sen. Sanders was trying to get someone to primary the president.”

“In early 2012, there were a lot of Democrats who didn’t have the president’s back when he needed them the most. But I was not one of those, unlike Sen. Sanders, who criticized him from the sidelines or went trawling around trying to find someone to primary him,” O’Malley said. “I don’t believe that Sen. Sanders should be allowed to rewrite history.”

Link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/omalley-bernie-sanders-is-rewriting-history-of-obama-support?utm_term=.wy6RKV27N#.odxJDWQ9V

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O’Malley: Bernie Sanders Is “Rewriting History” Of Obama Support In 2012 (Original Post) JaneyVee Nov 2015 OP
A kickaroo postatomic Nov 2015 #1
So, O'Malley is against free speech? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #29
What does free speech have to do with sufrommich Nov 2015 #30
Democracy says there can be primaries RobertEarl Nov 2015 #34
I have a new "friend" postatomic Nov 2015 #42
Not one bit of this is a free speech issue. Nt NCTraveler Nov 2015 #41
So another Bernie hit piece, because you have no issues to discuss, I see. n/t Dodo Nov 2015 #2
We've discussed all the issues already. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #3
Lurking. I have not seen one iota of an rational discussion about an issue of any type. Dodo Nov 2015 #4
O'Malley has more specific proposals on issue than any candidate. Here's his plan on immigration: FSogol Nov 2015 #5
Thanks! Dodo Nov 2015 #7
Anytime and welcome to DU. n/t FSogol Nov 2015 #9
Looking at one item you grabbed from O'Malley's site here... cascadiance Nov 2015 #17
So, making recommendations "based on rigorous and non-partisan analysis and market needs" is worse FSogol Nov 2015 #22
I think we had quotes like that from Obama supporting TPP as well... cascadiance Nov 2015 #24
I don't come to DU as much as I would like to, but it's still news to me. Stellar Nov 2015 #6
Under the bus with Martin O'Malley Now! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #8
I didn't throw O'Malley under the bus. Dodo Nov 2015 #10
Friends of the Earth endorsed Bernie Dodo Nov 2015 #11
Not under the bus... Fawke Em Nov 2015 #16
Thanks, Fawke! elleng Nov 2015 #18
You're welcome. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #19
O'M has had hit comments on Hillary for awhile now. Now it is Bernies's turn. riversedge Nov 2015 #12
Bernie had some disagreements with some of Obama's RW policies. So what? So did I. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13
How much actual campaigning did Sanders do for Obama? Koinos Nov 2015 #21
Completely agree. n/t FSogol Nov 2015 #23
I don't disagree that O'M is a more mainstream Democrat 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #27
Not just a matter of a litmus test. Koinos Nov 2015 #32
ABSOLUTELY playing well with others is a necessary evolutionary adaptation, and elleng Nov 2015 #35
Actually, Bernie is the one playing nice, and then getting shat upon for doing so. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #38
+1 Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #39
kick n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #14
O'Malley is lying. Sanders wasn't trawling around trying to find someone to primary Obama. Vattel Nov 2015 #15
Obama's ex-aides feel differently. askew Nov 2015 #20
Obama's ex-aides didn't say that he was looking for someone to primary Obama, did they? Vattel Nov 2015 #28
Why look for someone to primary him... MrWendel Nov 2015 #31
He's simply trying to ingratiate himself ibegurpard Nov 2015 #25
He hasn't earned my trust, that's for sure. Vattel Nov 2015 #36
Too bad Sanders didn't foresee... Koinos Nov 2015 #26
Obama shouldn't have made those crappy deals with the GOP AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #33
Ouch Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #37
Ouch indeed. And let's be honest, Bernie doesn't need anyone reminding people of this Number23 Nov 2015 #40
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
29. So, O'Malley is against free speech?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

And even goes so far as to go back 4 years to try and make someone not have a free speech position?

And there are people on DU who are following O'Malley into that ditch?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
34. Democracy says there can be primaries
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:54 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie said let there be a primary campaign to bring Obama back from leaning right.

O'Malley has the right to complain and I have the right to tell him he's complaining about the wrong thing.

O'Malley is one of the elites who thinks he can gatekeep who, and who can't, be a Democrat. He's a sore loser.

 

Dodo

(39 posts)
4. Lurking. I have not seen one iota of an rational discussion about an issue of any type.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:09 PM
Nov 2015

Let me give you one to discuss:

Legalization of marijuana: Hillary wants to keep it criminal by downgrading from Schedule I to Schedule II. I disagree, and research needs to be focused on getting the maximum benefit of marijuana and her medical form. Bernie agrees.

Go ahead, discuss. Why do you think Clinton does not want to legalize marijuana? I'm thinking she's still pandering to private prison industry as well as Big Pharma industry. They are her donors. She has lobbyists from that field working for her. Am I wrong?

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
5. O'Malley has more specific proposals on issue than any candidate. Here's his plan on immigration:
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:09 PM
Nov 2015
Welcoming New Americans to Rebuild The American Dream

We are a nation of immigrants – whether our ancestors came from Ireland or from Mexico, or whether they immigrated here generations ago, or whether our parents brought us to the United States. But today, this fundamental characteristic of our country – the diversity that makes us great and enriches each new generation – is being eroded. Our outdated immigration laws no longer meet our economic needs, our national security imperatives, or our values as a people. They fail to reaffirm our founding ideal, e pluribus unum – that out of many, we are one.

As a nation, we must honor our proud legacy as a nation of immigrants and maintain one of America’s key strategic advantages: that people all over the world still dream of becoming Americans. To continue to attract the next generation of strivers, dreamers, and risk-takers, and to be true to the values we hold dear, it is imperative that we pursue a dynamic, modern approach to immigration policy. This will require a new push for comprehensive immigration reform – and new leadership that is willing to work tirelessly until it is finally accomplished, once and for all.




There is broad consensus on how to fix our inhumane immigration system, but for all those waiting to immigrate – and for all those already here waiting to be legally included – reform cannot come soon enough. In 2013 alone, more than 72,000 parents were torn from their U.S.-born children. One out of five undocumented adults today is at risk of being separated from their partners. Even a visit from relatives can turn into a decades-long waiting game.

New Americans have endured the uncertainty and fear of legislative inaction for far too long. They deserve to know that when they go to work in the morning, their contributions will be valued, and that they’ll return home safely to their children. The next president must provide that assurance. And he or she can do so immediately by using the full power of the presidency to secure administrative relief for millions of New American families.

To give Congress a running start on advancing a lasting legislative solution, Governor O’Malley is committed to providing that relief his first year in office. From expanding the use of deferred action and exercising discretion to keep families together; to rewriting punitive regulations and ending harmful law enforcement policies; to greatly limiting detention and restoring due process to our immigration system; an O’Malley Administration will use all legal and executive authorities to safeguard and welcome New Americans and restore greatness and justice to America’s immigration system.

As president, Governor O’Malley will act immediately to:

Extend Administrative Relief to Millions of New American Families

Deferred action is the broadest, most inclusive, and most important relief that the next president can provide immigrant families. It allows hard-working individuals who already have strong ties to the United States to continue working and contributing to the good of our nation – and to do so within the framework, the opportunities, and the responsibilities of our laws.

Expanding deferred action is well within the president’s legal authority, based on the actions of previous presidents and the longstanding features of American immigration law. While President Obama’s efforts to expand deferred action have been delayed by baseless conservative challenges in the courts, Governor O’Malley is confident – and legal experts almost universally agree – that they will be upheld. But whether or not the president’s executive actions triumph at the courts, O’Malley is committed with moving forward with the additional steps outlined below.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Provide Deferred Action to the Greatest Possible Number of New Americans. To start, O’Malley would direct the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to provide immediate relief from deportation, with work authorization, to all individuals covered by the Senate’s comprehensive immigration reform proposal. This includes the parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, as well as all individuals who have strong family and community ties – such as parents of DACA recipients or of young foreign-born children, individuals who have long-term residence in our country, and all young people who entered the United States before the age of 21. The goal is to get as many immigrants who are productive, contributing members of society onto the books and more fully included in our economy.

Expand Access to Waivers to the Three- or Ten-Year Bar

Too many barriers exist that prevent immigrants from legally living and working in the United States. Many immigrants who are entitled to lawful permanent resident status (also known as a green card) must first return to their home countries. Yet if they previously lived in the United States while undocumented, they are then barred from re-entering the United States for three to ten years. This 1990s policy creates a Catch 22 that needlessly hurts American families, punishing individuals even if they are now eligible to legally remain in the United States.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Grant Broad Waivers to the Three- or Ten-Year Bar. While waivers are available to the three- and ten-year bar, very few people are eligible for them. Today, applicants qualify for a waiver only if their bar creates “extreme hardship” to their U.S. citizen parent or spouse. Hardship to the immigrants themselves – or to their children, even if they are U.S. citizens – is not a factor in this decision. O’Malley would immediately issue guidance broadly interpreting “extreme hardship” to greatly limit the three- and ten-year bars, while working with Congress to achieve a permanent repeal.

Expand Parole-in-Place. Parole allows immigrants who have resided in the United States unlawfully to have a U.S. citizen of lawful permanent resident sponsor them for a green card without triggering the three- and ten-year bars. DHS already has the authority to parole individuals for humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit. Indeed, DHS already implemented parole-in-place for the families of members of the U.S. Armed Forces. O’Malley would issue guidance expanding parole-in-place to benefit all spouses, children, and parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Expand Access to Naturalization for New Americans

Naturalization is an essential tool for New Americans to have access to the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. It is the foundation on which America’s immigration success story relies. However, barriers to naturalization have resulted in more than eight million lawful permanent residents who are eligible to naturalize, but have not yet done so.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Conduct Sustained Naturalization Outreach. O’Malley will undertake significant outreach and educational programs to promote naturalization, including U.S. agency, media, and community outreach. This will include directing U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to identify and encourage lawful permanent residents who are eligible for citizenship to naturalize, while also expanding access to naturalization by lowering fees as appropriate.

Expand Access to Health Care for New Americans


Health care access is critically needed to strengthen the wellbeing of communities and our nation’s economy. However, New Americans disproportionately lack health insurance because of statutory and regulatory restrictions.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Rescind the Regulations Restricting Health Care for DACA and DAPA-Recipients. The Affordable Care Act provides access to the health care exchanges, tax credit subsidies, and other benefits to individuals who are lawfully present in the United States. However, a 2012 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services regulation excluded individuals with deferred action under Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) from these affordable health insurance options. O’Malley will rescind this regulation, providing health care access to the approximately five million individuals who are or will be eligible for deferred action under DACA, the proposed DACA expansion, and forthcoming Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA).

Use Detention Only as a Last Resort

Conditions at immigrant detention facilities are deplorable – and those locked up in them are incarcerated not because they committed a crime, but because they are due to appear months or years later in immigration court. The system denies immigrants due process. It rips apart families. It traumatizes children. And taxpayers pick up the bill.

The Obama Administration has announced a number of reforms to detention policies, but none go far enough – in all but extraordinary circumstances, immigrant detentions must end for good.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Limit Detention to Only Those Who Pose a Clear Threat to Public Safety. The only individuals who should be detained are those who pose a clear threat to public safety or national security. O’Malley will direct DHS to use alternatives to detention for the vast majority of people. He will end the practice of holding children and families in detention centers. He will also end the detention of other vulnerable immigrants, especially LGBTQ individuals. This includes using the family placement and community-based supervision policies he successfully implemented in Maryland.

End the 34,000 Bed Quota. Congress requires DHS to maintain 34,000 beds in immigrant detention centers. The agency has historically interpreted this quota as setting a minimum number of beds, and entered contracts with detention centers that require the beds to be filled. Detention numbers should reflect of our actual public safety and national security needs, not an arbitrary target. O’Malley will issue guidance that DHS treat the bed mandate as a ceiling, not a floor – while working with Congress to establish funding levels for detention that reflect our public safety priorities.

Close Inhumane Detention Facilities. O’Malley will close or upgrade costly, inhumane, and violent detention centers. This includes the short-term facilities on the U.S.-Mexico border that often do not meet established detention standards. O’Malley will ensure the humane treatment of all detained individuals, increase oversight and monitoring, and bring criminal charges against bad actors. He will also work with Congress to codify higher detention standards and give immigrants a private right of action to enforce these accountability mechanisms.

Restore Due Process Safeguards and Basic Fairness to Immigration Enforcement


Existing laws deny immigrants basic due process protections and foster fear and mistrust of law enforcement. Thousands of immigrants are jailed without a bond hearing while they fight their deportation cases. Immigrants are transferred to detention centers thousands of miles from their homes, do not have access to lawyers, and are pressured to accept deportation to escape the deplorable conditions.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Expand Due Process Protections in the Detention and Immigration System. Our current system lacks due process protections in the judicial and detention context. O’Malley will implement critical reforms, including providing counsel for immigrants in deportation proceedings, increasing the number of immigration judges and courts, ending telephonic and video hearings for detainees, ensuring language access, and holding detention facilities and DHS personnel accountable for constitutional rights violations.

Prevent Racial and Religious Profiling. Current S. Department of Justice (DOJ) guidelines include loopholes that permit DHS agencies, such as the Transportation Security Administration and the CBP, to profile Americans based on their ethnicity and religion. O’Malley would work with DOJ and DHS to close these unfair loopholes and uphold our constitutional rights.

Disentangle Public Safety and Local Law Enforcement from Immigration Enforcement


President Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing called for federal immigration enforcement to be “decoupled” from routine local policing. Our policies have fallen short of their goal to pinpoint and detain individuals who pose a clear and present danger to public safety. Instead, they have created an indiscriminate dragnet that can encourage racial profiling. This undermines the credibility of law enforcement efforts and hurts community safety, eroding the trust between immigrant communities and local law enforcement that is critical to identifying and removing dangerous individuals from society.

As president, O’Malley will:

Limit the Use of Detainers and Notifications. DHS cannot continue to expect local law enforcement agencies to bear the costs, risks, and liability of holding immigrants based on incomplete investigations and inadequate evidence. O’Malley will direct immigration enforcement agents to obtain warrants from a judge, like any other law enforcement agency, in order to detain immigrants. O’Malley will also direct immigration enforcement agents to stop the routine issuance of U.S. Immigration and Customs (ICE) notification requests under the new Priority Enforcement Program, which may lead to unlawful detentions and transfers.

End 287(g) Agreements. Immigrant and civil rights advocates have rung the alarm for years about the 287(g) program, which also undermines community policing, incentivizes racial profiling, and has been at the heart of some of the worst abuses of immigrants’ civil rights. O’Malley will end the 287(g) jail programs, which are not mandatory and are an outdated and inappropriate way to enforce immigration laws.

Respect the Autonomy of States and Localities in Immigration Enforcement. Many states and localities have set policies that limit their cooperation with immigration authorities. The intention of these policies is to protect residents’ rights and build trust between law enforcement and immigrant communities. Many sheriffs and law enforcement officers strongly support these policies because they allow local enforcement to more effectively promote public safety. O’Malley will strongly oppose Congressional efforts that disrespect the autonomy of states and localities by coercing them – through the withholding of federal funding or other mechanisms – to rescind these policies.

End the Coercion of Local Law Enforcement through Civil Immigration Warrants. Law enforcement officers across the country refer to the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) to find out if a person in their custody has outstanding warrants. However, in recent years, ICE has entered civil immigration warrants into NCIC, confusing local police and producing unlawful arrests. O’Malley will provide clear direction, guidance, and training to local and state law enforcement agencies that they do not have the authority to arrest immigrants on civil administrative warrants.

Protect the Border, While Respecting Individual Rights


Effective immigration policy includes border security that bars those who wish us harm, and facilitates the entry and exit of others. However, this goal requires a functioning and efficient legal immigration system. Modern border security extends well beyond the U.S.-Mexico border and recognizes that we must be vigilant and judicious at all U.S. ports of entry.

CBP plays a critical role protecting the American public. In order to effectively secure the border, CBP officers must have the tools, trust, training, and support they need to honorably do their jobs and keep Americans safe.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Promote Smart, 21st-Century Border Security. Existing border security efforts can be wasteful and disruptive to border communities, while failing to address the fluid factors that drive migration. O’Malley will commit the resources needed to modernize and strengthen the border while respecting the rights of border communities. O’Malley will ensure that our border is secure through the strategic use of personnel and technology, extensive training and support for immigration officers, and policies that address the root causes of migration.

Ensure That CBP Officers Can Serve with Pride. Politicized congressional mandates have required Customs and Border Protection to hire and deploy hundreds of agents rapidly, sometimes without sufficient training, oversight, and accountability. O’Malley will direct CBP to focus on improving the professionalism, legal knowledge, and integrity of its growing force. He will require CBP to implement the best practices in law enforcement, including equipping officers with body cameras, tracking and disclosing discourtesy and brutality complaints, providing robust training, and holding agents accountable for excessive force.

Refocus Border Enforcement on Securing the Actual Border. In terms of the area policed, the U.S. border is now 100 miles inland from any land border or coast. Roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within this 100-mile zone. As a result, border agents regularly patrol areas far removed from the actual border, including neighborhoods and urban municipalities. O’Malley will protect the civil rights of residents who live near the border by directing border patrol agents to focus on border security, not interior law enforcement.

Focus on the Most Important Cases. Under Operation Streamline, federal attorneys criminally prosecute virtually all undocumented immigrants that enter through the Southern border for illegal entry and reentry. Thousands of immigrants who try to enter or re-enter the United States are the parents of U.S. citizens who are attempting to reunite with their children and loved ones. O’Malley will direct federal prosecutors to focus on priority cases that advance national security, address violent crime or financial fraud, and protect the most vulnerable members of society.




While Governor O’Malley will use executive action to the full extent of his authority, he understands that administrative relief is no substitute for Congressional action. There is a clear consensus among the American people for comprehensive immigration reform that restores legality, confidence, coherence and pride in our immigration system. There is significant support for comprehensive immigration reform in Congress, but a failure of political will and leadership has stymied progress.

Our outdated immigration system has locked out millions of people from our economy and does not meet the needs of our modern, digital, and globalized workforce. Nor does it reflect our values of inclusiveness, innovation, and dignity for all people.

Securing comprehensive immigration reform has not been easy, but with new and principled leadership, and a commitment to action, O’Malley knows we can – and must – achieve it.

Forge Consensus to Achieve Comprehensive Immigration Reform

In Maryland, O’Malley forged a new consensus to secure the rights of New Americans. As Governor, he campaigned for and signed Maryland’s version of the DREAM Act, providing all children the opportunity to afford higher education and compete in Maryland’s economy. When the law was contested, he successfully championed it in a referendum, making Maryland the first state to defend the DREAM Act at the ballot box. He lobbied for and signed legislation allowing undocumented immigrants to obtain drivers licenses so they could safely get to work and obey the rules of the road. Throughout his 15 years of executive experience, O’Malley forged – not followed – public opinion on immigration, bringing people together to get the job done.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Enact and Implement Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Governor O’Malley will never delay nor stop fighting for comprehensive immigration reform. From the first days of his Administration, he will work with Congress to modernize our immigration system and secure a path to full and equal citizenship for New Americans. O’Malley believes that this is an economic, moral, and national security imperative – one that is enshrined in our founding principles as a nation.

Overhaul the Legal U.S. Immigration System


The basic architecture of the U.S. immigration system dates back to the 1960s. Rigid visa caps – putting unrealistic and rigid quotas on who can contribute to our country – have remained virtually unchanged since that time. This outdated system puts the United States at a serious disadvantage – making us unable, as we have in every other generation, to welcome the best and brightest people from around the world and those willing to work hard and honestly to build our economy. This includes the hundreds of thousands of students who study at and earn degrees in engineering, science, and business at U.S. universities, but are unable to apply their talents in our economy.

As president, Governor O’Malley will:

Create an Independent Agency to Set U.S. Immigration Policy. Comprehensive immigration reform should build a new, nimble, and responsive immigration system—one that will prevent our country from ever needing to fight for comprehensive reform again. O’Malley will call for a reform bill to create a new, independent body housed within the executive branch. The agency will make recommendations to Congress regarding immigration levels and visa requirements. The recommendations would be based on rigorous and non-partisan analysis and market needs – supplying additional H-1B visas, creating new visas to attract and retain foreign innovators, establishing protections for workers, and complimenting and upholding the American workforce.

Address Employment Barriers for Foreign Professionals. Roughly one out of five highly skilled immigrants in the United States is unemployed or underemployed, unable to fully contribute their entrepreneurial efforts to America’s success. O’Malley would work with states, Congress, and federal agency partners to address barriers for high-skilled immigrant workers, such as credentialing and licensing requirements and policies; and to better provide language and technical training through the nation’s workforce system.

Promote Family Unity. Our immigration system has historically sought to preserve family unity, recognizing that strong families are the foundation of a strong economy. Yet long visa backlogs have kept families apart for many years, and because of a lack of procedural safeguards and due process, thousands of U.S. citizens and their family members have been unlawfully deported. O’Malley will work with Congress so that the supply of visas better meets demand. He will also reform outdated immigration bars so that previously deported individuals with U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident relatives could lawfully return to the United States.

Restore Judicial Discretion. In recent years our nation rescinded the ability of immigration law enforcement and judges to consider the individual circumstances of a person’s case. O’Malley will ensure that any future immigration legislation contains robust waiver provisions that restore the discretion of law enforcement and judges to consider individual factors—such as family and community ties; the nature, seriousness, and other circumstances of past criminal charges; passage of time; medical conditions; and contributions to community and family.

Protect the Diversity Visa. The diversity visa lottery was created to diversify the immigrant population in the United States. Today, about half of diversity visa lottery winners come from Africa. O’Malley would work to ensure that future immigration reform efforts do not gut this critical program.


All of O'Malley plans are listed this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600#top

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
17. Looking at one item you grabbed from O'Malley's site here...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015
Create an Independent Agency to Set U.S. Immigration Policy. Comprehensive immigration reform should build a new, nimble, and responsive immigration system—one that will prevent our country from ever needing to fight for comprehensive reform again. O’Malley will call for a reform bill to create a new, independent body housed within the executive branch. The agency will make recommendations to Congress regarding immigration levels and visa requirements. The recommendations would be based on rigorous and non-partisan analysis and market needs – supplying additional H-1B visas, creating new visas to attract and retain foreign innovators, establishing protections for workers, and complimenting and upholding the American workforce.


Hmm... So, I guess both O'Malley and Hillary support expanding H-1B Visa program quotas?

HOW is this good for American workers (or for the *indentured servants* of guest worker programs like this)?

At least Hillary is honest in her position on expanding this program that takes away American jobs and works against interests of those who would rather immigrate here than be indentured servants here. Though she doesn't seem to want to talk about this issue much since the 2008 election, like she avoids talking about so many other issues.



Here's another's view on O'Malley's stances in this area that doesn't feel O'Malley's stances here that good for us...

http://www.progressivesforimmigrationreform.org/candidate-martin-omalleys-position-on-immigration-would-undermine-americas-economy-and-the-middle-class/

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
22. So, making recommendations "based on rigorous and non-partisan analysis and market needs" is worse
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015

than the system we have now where corporations dictate the numbers and Congress goes along with them? Did you miss the part about worker protections?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
24. I think we had quotes like that from Obama supporting TPP as well...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

When his statement here states:

"supplying additional H-1B visas"

instead of something like

"supplying additional or scaling back H-1B visas"

which would be a better statement to make if he's really prepared to accept an "non-partisan" analysis to tell him whether or not we should scale back this program or grow it rather than "supplying additional" visas as if that appears to insinuate that it is a foregone conclusion that doesn't need non-partisan analysis to tell us if we need this program or not. It seems like he's already of the notion that it should be expanded by that quote.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
6. I don't come to DU as much as I would like to, but it's still news to me.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:09 PM
Nov 2015

I'll have to Google more information on this.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
8. Under the bus with Martin O'Malley Now!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015


It sure is crowded under that bus....

The League of Conservation voters endorsed Hillary this morning....guess they will be under there with him!
 

Dodo

(39 posts)
10. I didn't throw O'Malley under the bus.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:13 PM
Nov 2015

I just observed that O'Malley got the wrong interpretation of the 2012 discussion.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
19. You're welcome.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

I like Martin just fine and consider this just politics.

Not a fan of that other guy's candidate, though.

riversedge

(70,221 posts)
12. O'M has had hit comments on Hillary for awhile now. Now it is Bernies's turn.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

Such is the primary season.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. Bernie had some disagreements with some of Obama's RW policies. So what? So did I.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nov 2015

That was Bernie's rationale for wondering out-loud if a primary challenge from the Left might
help Obama do some course-correction Leftward ... big f*cking deal.

He still campaigned for Obama, who he knew was going to be the nominee all along. This is a
mole-hill, not the mountain you are trying desperately to turn it into, not even close.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
21. How much actual campaigning did Sanders do for Obama?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

O'Malley worked very hard for Obama in the 2012 campaign and did not criticize him publicly, unlike Sanders who, for example, publicly criticized Obama's debate performance.

O'Malley didn't waver from supporting the incumbent president's bid for a second term.

O'Malley supported Clinton in 2008, but that was an open election; and Obama was not running as an incumbent. When Obama won the nomination, O'Malley devoted his full energy to getting Obama elected.

Say what you will about O'Malley -- his loyalty to the Democratic party and his efforts in getting Democrats elected are unquestionable.

O'Malley's present campaign and past executive accomplishments show that he obviously believes that it is possible to reform the Democratic party from within.

In my opinion, the Democratic tent is still much bigger than Sanders and his supporters seem to think at times.

Progressives can still justly call themselves Democrats.

It is short-sighted to paint the entire Democratic party with a single broad brush.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
27. I don't disagree that O'M is a more mainstream Democrat
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

and has been more consistently Democratic over his career.

I'll give him that, and Clinton too of course.

All I'm saying is that this "Democratic Loyalty" litmus test thing, that's being ginned-up
to attack Sanders with, is over-blown and actually kind of irrelevant; considering all the
pressing issues that are facing us as a nation.

In my view, a candidates consistency and integrity on the ISSUES (not knee-jerk party
loyalty) weighs much more in my decision as to who to support.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
32. Not just a matter of a litmus test.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders has historically been very critical of the Democratic party. Which and how many Democrats can he count on for help in getting elected?

If I live in a small town and keep bashing and trashing it in public, who will give me a jump start when my car battery is dead?

Playing well with others is a necessary evolutionary adaptation. Getting along with others facilitates the achievement of our own goals.

Sanders has not laid this groundwork of collegiality with the Democratic party, and it shows.

When two or three gather together, it is not always a conspiracy. It is sometimes cooperation for the common good.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
35. ABSOLUTELY playing well with others is a necessary evolutionary adaptation, and
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:58 PM
Nov 2015

getting along with others facilitates the achievement of our own goals.

THANKS, Koinos!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
38. Actually, Bernie is the one playing nice, and then getting shat upon for doing so.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie is running for POTUS in a way that helps save the Democratic Party from itself, in at
least three ways. 1) by bringing in 100s of thousands of new registered "D"s under the Big Tent,
2) by NOT running as an Independent in the GE. i.e. NOT a "spoiler".
3) by creating a REAL competition for the nomination, which helps the Party get more
media coverage by far than it would have as a ho-hum sleeper 'contest' between O'Malley
and Hillary.

In addition, on the campaign trail, Bernie consistently says kind words about Hillary, even
to his own political detriment sometimes, like
1) his "damned emails" comment during first debate,
2) his statement posted today, "on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate
and president than the Republican candidate on his best day,"

I can't think of one thing Hillary has said that compares to Bernie's respectful & gracious comments
about Hillary. There may be one somewhere, but I have not seen it.

askew

(1,464 posts)
20. Obama's ex-aides feel differently.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

They also think he exaggerated how much work he did for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
28. Obama's ex-aides didn't say that he was looking for someone to primary Obama, did they?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:38 PM
Nov 2015

Regardless, I have yet to see any evidence that Sanders was looking for someone to primary Obama. He did say that it would be a good idea, but that is different from trawling around looking for someone to do it.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
25. He's simply trying to ingratiate himself
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

With whoever has the big momentum. He's an uninspiring candidate who can't interest people enough to read his policy positions...with his own baggage from his tenure as governor.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
36. He hasn't earned my trust, that's for sure.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:03 PM
Nov 2015

He is all about reforming the police, but can't even honestly address his own abusive police policies as mayor. Instead he calls critics of those policies "leftwing ideologues." In the first debate he painted a false picture, claiming that arrests in Baltimore peaked in 2003 and then went down because crime was going down. In reality arrests peaked in 2005 and remained very high in his last year in office, which was 2006. The next mayor got rid of his mass arrest policies and then the murder rate fell steeply. O'Malley was going nuts because he couldn't get the murder rate to drop much at all.

I still love his views on immigration rights though. I will forgive a lot when someone is that good on that issue.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
26. Too bad Sanders didn't foresee...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

that he might need help from Obama supporters and other Democrats in 2016.

Incumbents fear being primaried. Ask Jimmy Carter. Or ask any popular moderate Republican who has suddenly had to face a tea-party opponent from hell.

What Sanders lacks is collegiality with Democratic politicians. Going your own way has its advantages, but it makes it harder to ask for help from peers.

O'Malley is a person with party loyalty, who nevertheless makes profound and detailed policy statements that challenge the status quo. And he has a resume of actual accomplishments in Maryland.

Many of the things he did for Maryland (death penalty repeal, environmental improvement, education, immigration, etc.) are applicable to the national sphere.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
33. Obama shouldn't have made those crappy deals with the GOP
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

"Went around trying to find someone to primary him" - that line is a lie.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
40. Ouch indeed. And let's be honest, Bernie doesn't need anyone reminding people of this
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:26 PM
Nov 2015

considering his already dismal support from minority communities.

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