Sanders still attracting disproportionately white audiences.

[sufrommich]

A mariachi band, a Latino neighbourhood, Spanish language posters and bold immigration pledges: Bernie Sanders was pulling out the stops for Nevada’s Hispanic vote.

Short of dancing salsa, the Democratic candidate did all he could to woo this crucial constituency at a rally on a soccer field in Las Vegas on Sunday night.

He surrounded himself with Latinos on stage and promised to fight for agricultural workers and to shelter families from deportation. It signalled the start of an effort to narrow Hillary Clinton’s wide lead with the state’s Latinos.

There was just one problem: the audience at the Cheyenne sports complex was mostly white.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/09/bernie-sanders-latino-voters-hillary-clinton-vegas?CMP=share_btn_tw

[sufrommich]

2. "race card"? Really?

What an interesting direction Sander's supporters are taking.

[ThePhilosopher04]

3. Yes really.

You're getting worse than Republicans. Talk about the GOD DAMN ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sufrommich]

4. This is an article from The Guardian.

Stating the obvious.

[JackInGreen]

6. The issues?

Once again, please. Legislative, social, economic. But 'this article supports my opinion minorities don't like this white fella ' isn't exactly a point of legislative record or pertinent criminal justice reform is it?

[sufrommich]

9. The inability to attract key demographics

needed to win the democratic primary and the general election is a huge issue.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. One would think ...

at some point ... people would start asking themselves "why" they are having such a problem; rather than, dismissing the problem with "Discuss the issues that I want you to discuss!!!!!"

I guess not!

[Koinos]

33. Good point.

Objective self-criticism is the only way to grow as a human being. Of course, if you or others believe that you are already perfect, growth or change is seen as unnecessary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Or, if you believe that self-criticism will ...

reveal something you do not wish to face, or will reveal actions that will require too much of you, you will avoid such an exercise; opting for, the far less threatening, dismissiveness, and building of conspiracy theories.

[Koinos]

49. According to Confucius...

When things go wrong, the superior person blames and examines himself, while the inferior person blames others.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. And, according to LeRoy, the philosopher-Poet, ...

"Yeah ... It really IS you!"

[Koinos]

94. Great fun, 1StrongBlackMan! And then there's Socrates (actually Plato)...

"The unexamined life [or thoughtless action and speech without cross-examining oneself] is not worth living."

But projection is just so much easier. And then one has a clear conscience, because "nothing is my fault." So George Bush sleeps at night.

Of course, one who believes he or she never makes mistakes never learns from his or her mistakes. Hence, growth and change are viewed as unnecessary and impossible.

We have no need to change our minds, if we are never mistaken.

[Vattel]

45. The why is obvious. 41% don't know who he is.

[1StrongBlackMan]

51. And WHY is that? n/t

[Vattel]

54. Lots of reasons, I guess. One reason is that he is new on the national scene.

Another reason is that it is still early in the primary season. Another reason might be (I am not sure) that he didn't adequately prepare for the primaries because he didn't expect to get so much support.

The only thing he can do now is try to overcome his relative anonymity and hope his message resonates. But the odds of his winning the primary do seem small right now.

[randys1]

56. If Bernie can't attract minority voters, he wont win the nomination and Hillary will.

If he wins the nomination it means he has attracted enough minority voters, right? (I am asking, I dont know for sure but I assume this is correct, others here will know the numbers better than I do.)

So I find this story important as to why, why isnt he attracting them, but as to who will win the nomination, this is more of a simple math issue.

Instead of either "side" seeing this as something to argue about, I would think the Bernie supporters would want to know WHY he isn't attracting them and those not attracted to him would want to explain why.

When we see THAT happen, we usually see whitesplaining and then arguing and then hiding and then blah blah blah.

If we are going to resolve anything, we have to listen.

[Sheepshank]

19. I was just about to say the same thing

Its very obvious that this is an on going voter demographic issue that Bernie doesn't seem to have a way to resolve. And it appears taht he tried pretty hard.

[ThePhilosopher04]

7. Clinton playing the RACE CARD is the obvious

[Dem2]

18. While I think this is a hot topic to post here

...and I'm not fond of the headline, I fail to see how this article relates to "Clinton playing the RACE CARD is the obvious". Can you explain the link?

[riversedge]

37. Low crowd number for a Bernie rally....

..... Nathan Rudig attends the rally in Las Vegas. Photograph: Rory Carroll/the Guardian

Leslie Vega, 26, an insurance agent, lamented that she seemed one of the few Latinas to brave a cold desert night to hear the Vermont senator.

“I’m the only member of my family here,” she said. Vega believed Sanders could win the nomination but called the crowd “minuscule”. It numbered about 2,000 – more than what other White House hopefuls routinely muster but low by Sanders’ standards.

He injected numerous immigration references into his standard stump speech, which railed at the “rigged” economy and corruption

[Dem2]

44. The link between the O/P and Hillary playing the race card.

Sorry, maybe my post wasn't clear.

[riversedge]

74. I need to slow down and read it better also. Have a good day.

[Sheepshank]

23. Clinton played the race card?

wow you read a lot into the OP

[leftofcool]

5. You don't think the inability of Sanders to connect with minorities is an issue for him?

[hack89]

10. Is the the fact that an important electoral demographic does not buy what Bernie is selling

an important issue? Bernie is talking about the issues. Why can't we discuss how effective his message is with certain groups?

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. We have discussed it ...

and the conclusion: "Stockholm Syndrome".

We don't need to discuss it anymore because doing so is "race-baiting."

[hack89]

32. I understand Stockholm is cold this time of year

good thing the Democratic tent is big and warm.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. LOL. n/t

[irisblue]

65. Alert Results post #2

Poster already had this exact same comment hidden today yet keeps posting it. Should also be hidden especially since this has nothing to do with Clinton.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:16 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, but this is the new meme of the week for Hillary supporters. It's not a far stretch to think that Hillary supports it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This never should have been hidden. It doesn't in anyway break TOS.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have zero idea what this poster is saying and since it sounds like something I would write, I am OK with it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: ThePhilosopher04 you do seem to like that phrase today.....advanced search shows that phrase in your posts at least 4 times since 11/7/15.....take a break, this is making DU suck. HIDE irisblue

[Agschmid]

8. "The Guardian" are Clinton minions?

[Cha]

38. Pesky details.. Like with Pres Obama.. It's all Hillary's Fault!

Haha! I just wrote that and googled to see if I could find some graphic to go with it.. and Voila!

[bravenak]

77. I love that one!!! So true!!

[Cha]

89. Yeah, somebody knew that and decided to make a graphic with Sean Bean.. lol

[Cali_Democrat]

82. LOL....that's a good one. nt

[Cha]

90. Hey Cali..

[Starry Messenger]

83. That's gonna get a workout this year.

I can already tell!

[Cha]

91. You know it! lol

[Nye Bevan]

12. "Rory Carroll is an Irish journalist working for The Guardian...."

http://www.rorycarroll.co.uk/#!about-me/c1ktj

Perhaps I'm being a bit slow this morning but I'm not seeing the "by Clinton" here???????

[George II]

57. A statement of fact is "race card"?

[ecstatic]

61. an article describing the demographics of his rally

is NOT playing the race card. It's potentially a reality check. Sanders can't win with just white men alone. He needs the support of minorities to win the primaries.

That being said, turn out at a rally doesn't necessarily indicate how much support he has with various groups. I watch MSNBC daily and consider myself to be a lot more informed than the average voter, yet I'm always the last to know about rallies in my city. I only hear about it the day of the event when it's too late. That probably means that the people who end up at those events are well connected, heavily engaged in local politics, and/or reading every email from the DNC, etc.

Either way, Sanders supporters should want to know everything happening on the trail so that they're not blindsided later on. I don't get the "cover my ears / bury my head in the sand" approach.

[zazen]

11. if Clinton had any rallies they'd be just as white--early rallies favor attendees with time/energy

This is such a specious comparison, because no other candidate has had this many grassroots, overflow rallies--certainly no Democrat.

Trump's rallies are underfilled in the stadiums in which they're booked, and they are highly publicized in advance through disproportionate free media air time.

Even though many of the white attendees at Bernie's rallies are hurting economically (like us), early rallies in general favor students, retirees, and people with discretionary time, income, and the capacity to travel. They favor people who have the time and money to be on the internet with a high speed connection and even hear about the rallies, which are poorly publicized. African Americans have been the worst hurt economically in this country.

In addition, African Americans and Latinos to some degree are the most involved among Democrats, as a group, in their churches, so their discretionary time, money, and travel is already pre-committed to those Wednesday (in the South) and Sunday activities, which are notoriously long.

Then there are invisible privileges, like how all the ways just getting to and participating in a rally provide little opportunities for police to harass someone (or worse). As a white chick, I'm almost immune to that kind of harassment, while my fellow African American and to a lesser degree Latino citizens can apparently be killed for playing in a park (while a child) or having the misfortune to have their car break down on the side of the road at night.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. Really? ...

In addition, African Americans and Latinos to some degree are the most involved among Democrats, as a group, in their churches, so their discretionary time, money, and travel is already pre-committed to those Wednesday (in the South) and Sunday activities, which are notoriously long.

[Sheepshank]

25. Holy crap!!!!

someone thought posting that racist dribble here was a good idea?

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. And juxtapose, that ...

with this:

Even though many of the white attendees at Bernie's rallies are hurting economically (like us), early rallies in general favor students, retirees, and people with discretionary time, income, and the capacity to travel. They favor people who have the time and money to be on the internet with a high speed connection and even hear about the rallies, which are poorly publicized.

Remind me, again, how Twitter, Facebook and Insta-gram, work again?

[zazen]

48. it's standard demographic understanding in Dem campaigns

Internal strategies among Dem pols is to reach out to minority churches.

Internal strategies of minority bankers is to reach out to minority churches.

This is commonly discussed and understood--at least among the minority leaders who've spoken to me about it. I guess they're all racist too. Self-hating minorities 'n all. Like their jokes about the length of minority church services and the level of weekly commitment and engagement to them. I guess the only minority Democrats who talk to me are racist.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. Okay. n/t

[tishaLA]

55. Holy canoli

it's even worse when it stands on its own.

[sufrommich]

24. I don't think you could have written a more

condescending post regarding minorities if you tried.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Don't say that ... It made be seen as a challenge to try harder! n/t

[zazen]

50. yeah: me, Pew Research Center, The Atlantic (1/10/14), on participation of poor/minorities in politics

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/why-are-the-poor-and-minorities-less-likely-to-vote/282896/

"Analysis of 2008 Pew Internet and American Life Survey, reproduced from Schlozman et al., The Unheavenly Chorus, Princeton University Press, 2012, p. 124. Socioeconomic status determined by ranking U.S. population by income and education levels and dividing into five equal groups. . . .

Election hurdles aside, Cassandra is quick to point out that voting is not the only form of participation practiced in American politics, and it is arguably not the most impactful either. Volunteering for political causes and campaigns, contributing money to candidates, and lobbying the government all have an effect. And here, a mounting body of social science research examined for this study supports Cassandra's hypothesis that "low-income people lack funding to effectively advocate" for their needs and are under-represented as a result.

For example, just two percent of Americans at the bottom of the income and education ladder attend campaign meetings and rallies or conduct campaign work, compared to 14 percent of people at the top—a factor of seven to one. . . . . "

[BootinUp]

13. Article was well written. nt

[99Forever]

16. Recycling that race card bullshit again?

Isn't that special.

Bless your heart.

[sufrommich]

21. The Guardian "playing the race card"?

Why? For what purpose? Sanders supporters do their candidate no favors by using the term "race card" in this way.

[riversedge]

26. Was Team Bernie out in NV yesterday canassing?? The Hillary team was.. Photos....

Hillary for Nevada Retweeted
Mark Riffenburg ?@MarkRiffenburg 21h21 hours ago

#TeamSummerlin is out on the doors for @HillaryforNV today! Special thanks to Congressman Bilbray for coming along!





Hillary for Nevada Retweeted
Don Andres ?@_DCAndres 16h16 hours ago Paradise, NV

Meet Marg, Taelor, and Kelsey - three generations of lifelong Nevadan #NVwomen4Hillary #ImWithHer @HillaryforNV

[earthside]

53. OMG!!!

Only one male featured in this post!

Clearly the Clinton campaign has trouble connecting to men!

You can't win a presidential election in this country if men won't vote for you!!!!


for the inanity of the OP.

[riversedge]

58. Chuckle.

[PragmaticLiberal]

27. I really don't see how this is "playing the race card".

People might not like discussing it but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate.

Bernie (as of now) doesn't seem to connect very well with minorities.

The real issue is WHY and what can be done to bridge that gap.


That's not a "race card" imo.


Just seems to be reality at the moment.

[99Forever]

31. Of course you "don't see it."

"There is none so blind as those who simply refuse to see."

It is alway the same old bullshit with politians that have no ethics.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. +1 ...

People might not like discussing it but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate.

Bernie (as of now) doesn't seem to connect very well with minorities.

The real issue is WHY and what can be done to bridge that gap.

But the question has been asked, and answered ... numerous times. They (DU:Bernie) just don't like the answer ... leaving them with attempting to shut down the discussion.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. In response to #31 ... LOL ...

You have to sign up for the decoder-unskewing ring (patent pending).

[Sunlei]

42. not really a card, just another OP, to point out- "LOOK!! Only White skinned Folks in that Crowd"

at least Bernie doesn't photo-shop his 'crowd' like Many republicans do.

[gollygee]

66. There is no such thing as a "race card"

People simply discuss race and racism, and those are always legitimate topics.

[99Forever]

84. Bwahahaha...

Now that's really fucking funny, I don't care who you are.

[Bobbie Jo]

86. And y'all continue to wonder

why this campaign is struggling with minorities?


Keep laughing...

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. I see the memo must have gone out ...

respond to anything regarding the Bernie campaign's failure to connect with PoC (as a group) with: "Race-Card" or "Race-baiting" ... but I guess that's better than, "Stockholm Syndrome.

[sufrommich]

22. Yeah,it's pretty weird. And telling. nt

[leftofcool]

39. I am seeing both of those terms in the first 10 threads on DU

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. But it's purely coincidental! n/t

[Sunlei]

29. a better band, the "A mariachi band" was to old fashioned to draw the regular more derverse crowds

how about a real concert Bernie?, comeon

[retrowire]

35. heaven forbid!

oh no they're so white! my eyes!

[Vattel]

46. This is not a surprise. People who don't know who he is won't come out to see him.

[DCBob]

47. Bernie simply does not connect with the typical minority voter.

I think its more his style than his substance. I think they look at him and cant imagine how a old white jewish guy from a small rural white state could possibly understand the issues most minorities are dealing with.

[ecstatic]

71. I don't think the Jewish part is a factor at all

Whites might make that distinction, but to everyone else, he is just another white man. His ethnicity would only help him with people of color since Jews have been and still are a great ally.

But the style issue probably plays a role. At the last debate, with the exception of O'Malley, all of the men on stage looked old and stiff compared to Hillary. Sanders should not use his arms at all when communicating and perhaps he could tone down the accent a little.

Also, it's very important that he spends quality time communicating with people of color so that he can connect on a deeper level. Not just through discussing national tragedies or stereotypes. Prior to the blm interruptions, when Bernie spoke about blacks or latinos, it was with such a broad brush/ simplicity that it was obvious he had little (if any) racial diversity in his circle of associates and close friends.

[DCBob]

72. Perhaps not but it was just part of his overall description.

Its the whole package.. not any specific detail that is the problem.

[tishaLA]

52. There are 50 posts in this thread. Before I look at it, I'm going to guess how many times

the phrase "race card" appears in the comments.

[HassleCat]

62. And it will stay that way

Minority voters have strong loyalties that favor the mainstream Democratic Party. They're reluctant to abandon those loyalties because they realize it's been a mutually beneficial relationship. Since the 1960s, almost all major civil rights progress has been facilitated by Democrats. Sanders is hoping to make some inroads with minority voters because our party has been kind of ambivalent at times when it comes to minority issues. We went through a phase for a few years when Democrats were proposing to throw people off the welfare rolls, execute more people, etc. Fortunately for us, the Republicans were more extreme, so minority voters didn't abandon us. Now it looks like recent events are putting the focus on immigration, police behavior toward black citizens, etc. So minority voters will be rewarded by electing any of the Democratic presidential candidates.

And they figure they're safer with Clinton than with Sanders or O'Malley. She has courted them over the years, and she inherits her husband's associations with minority voters. Others may promise to do more, and others may offer bolder ideas, but others just don't feel as comfortable. Clinton seems to be the one who stands the best chance of getting the whole party moving in the right direction on key civil rights issues, even though she is not furthest to the left. This is a calculated risk game that goes back at least as far as Lyndon Johnson, a conflicted man who openly called black people "niggers," but pushed hard for civil rights and put Thurgood Marshall on the Supreme Court. And the calculation is tipped a little, but not toppled over the edge, by some inconsistencies from Clinton's 2008 primary campaign against Obama. All is not forgiven, but enough is forgiven. That's the way things work.

[whatchamacallit]

63. Oh well

[cosmicone]

64. I'm Asian and having been exposed to con games much more

we tend to be more attuned to go behind lofty propaganda and look at substance.

I would hypothesize that all minorities like to "see through" the rhetoric.

Hillary is a politician and she is very good at it. What you see is what you get and her flaws are open to see and well- documented.

People like me don't tend to fall for Bernie because he pretends to not being a politician but some sort of a higher power. I instantly knew that it was false and saw through the façade.

The more he was elevated by people who fell for the persona as a messiah, the more he looked like JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN.

I have nothing against Bernie as a politician. He had to build up a base in a Hillary ocean and he found his niche of ultra left wing people - nothing wrong with that. In his shoes, I'd have probably done the same thing. It was a GOOD albeit POLITICAL move. He could have started there and built up on it ... had he continued to be a politician.

The minute he became a messiah/spiritual leader/savior/saint -- he lost me. People who are passionate about ideology and seeing the world differently, never run for political office -- because politics is about compromises and their ideology is not bargainable.

Thus Gandhi, Dalai Lama or MLK Jr. never aspired to lead the countries they worked in. They just wanted people to hear them and think for a better world. They never wanted anything other than that.

Bernie could stop running and preach exactly the same ideals and I'll respect him more. However, at the moment, HE IS JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN WANTING VOTES AND POWER. Nothing more, nothing less. Period.

This is why Bernie cannot attract minority support. He is seen as a con man trying to deceive while wearing a saintly costume.

[BootinUp]

67. That's deep. nt

[HassleCat]

70. Seems like a pretty good analysis

Bernie supporters are probably not prepared for the compromises he will make as president. Hillary supporters realize she will let them down sometimes. Well, there are a few exception. Right here on DU, we see Clinton supporters who propose she is perfect, but I think we get more of that from Sanders supporters.

[whatchamacallit]

75. Seems like a load of bullshit to me

[Gothmog]

68. Sanders' one event in Houston was all white also

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

69. I guess Bernie should carefully craft all future rallies to avoid such problems

"Nope, sorry sir, we have enough 30-40 something Asian males in the crowd, but your wife and kids are adorable! They can go in!"

[frylock]

73. Oh good. We're back to "Where's Waldo?"

*yawn*

[Hepburn]

76. And ... Hillary's are totally minority?

[bravenak]

79. She has plenty of minority events. The one BLM interrupted was a black event. Hillary was the white

person that day.

[bravenak]

78. One can see why that is by spending time with the 'grassroots'.

[bravenak]

80. Maybe Bernie needs to get Symone Sanders off of Facebook and out doing outreach.

[AgingAmerican]

81. So is Hillary

nt

[Todays_Illusion]

85. The official Democratic party refuses to recognize his candidacy is the reason. They are flat out

third way libertarian now, Bill Clinton's conservative Presidency is spin covered by the silly tag "triangulation," (Strangulation of all liberal policies and ideals.) and the Democratic Party has done exactly NOTHING to counter the attacks on President Obama who has done a far better job on upholding liberal ideas and policies with a much harsher opposition and MSM than Clinton the great capitulatator.

[Walk away]

87. And yet Bernie is the one supported by so many Libertarians and Republicans!

I have been told here at DU by one of his fervent supporters that they are part of his following and he is happt to have them on board.

Republicans hate Hillary. They have ruthlessly been attacking her and her husband for decades. They love Bernie!!!!!

[Todays_Illusion]

88. I would divide that support up Moderate Republicans with some money support Hillary, because they

know she will keep a lid on social programs, just like Bill did and that includes education. Educated Moderate Republicans with no money might support Bernie because many are now reaching retirement age or have living parents who are or they have college age students. There are not many of these thoughtful Republicans. Young libertarians who think libertarians are liberal might support Bernie, it is uncertain they will be receiving a lot of pressure to reject him.

[brooklynite]

93. 1) The Democratic Party has welcomed Sanders into the race...

2) How has anything the Democratic Party might have done kept him from appealing to Hispanics, if he's done so well (rallies! Facebook polls!) with Whites?

[madville]

92. How do they know which people are

White Hispanics and which are White Non-Hispanics? It's hard to tell from looks alone.