"Clinton is just as progressive as Bernie". Not true.

[pinebox]

Today we take a look at Myth #17 from the Daily Kos article "25 Unfounded Myths Being Spread About Bernie by The Clinton Machine" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/30/1442863/-25-Unfounded-Myths-Being-Spread-About-Bernie-by-The-Clinton-Machine

We hear this a lot and well, besides the whole minimum wage issue with Bernie advocating for a $15/hr minimum wage and Hillary at $12, there's a whole lot of other things to be taken into consideration.

Myth 17: Clinton is just as progressive as Bernie.
Not true by a long shot. Bernie calls for Medicare For All, tuition free public universities, reinstating Glass Steagall, a $15 minimum wage, ending "Citizens" United any way possible (including a SCOTUS litmus test), ending deregulated trade pacts that outsource good American jobs overseas, a $1 trillion public jobs program to repair America's crumbling infrastructure, ending KGB-style domestic espionage, protecting Net Neutrality, 12 weeks of paid maternity leave, higher union rates, a clear and quick path to citizenship, shutting down for-profit private prisons, universal Kindergarten, passing the ERA, expanding social security, ending institutional racism, stopping Climate Change, not letting the war machine embroil us in more overseas quagmires, protecting our veterans, and breaking up the big banks on Wall Street. Clinton does have some suddenly new found “progressive” stances, but seriously, does anyone really believe she is against the TPP after she praised it for years? Does anyone think she will actually take on Wall Street after she represented them in Congress and they are by far he biggest campaign financiers? It’s faux-progressivism being used to dishonestly trick progressives into not supporting Bernie.
45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes
Hillary Clinton's Goldman Sachs Problem
Sorry, Democrats, Hillary Clinton is Not a Progressive
Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush Still Favorites of Wall Street Banks
And lastly;

[cantbeserious]

1. Right On - Progressive Is As Progressive Does - HRC Ain't No Progressive

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[Fred Sanders]

2. Another "trust" thread....same question in the OP asked differently three times!

"Does anyone really believe she will...." (Fill in the blank).

We get it!

[pinebox]

5. Fred, can you defend her stances?

Thank you.

And in case you're wondering, Bernie is very electable. We hear a lot from Hillary supporters that he isn't....however.

[Fred Sanders]

7. Our candidates will all trounce the GOP clown car passengers, but no room for margin of error.

[pinebox]

9. Actually

I'm not entirely sure to be honest.
I can hope so but I'm not really sure, especially if Hillary is the nominee. Dems will lose a LOT of crossover votes.

[Fred Sanders]

10. Cross over from where?

[pinebox]

11. Indy, third party voters and Republicans

There's a thread currently on DU, in GD-P somewhere that I can't find that explains this and most the people posting in the thread are from the indy camp, green party and Justice Party who came under the Dem umbrella because Bernie is running.

[Fred Sanders]

13. They are all welcome! I love them all! In a two party system there has to be this inclusion.

[pinebox]

14. I'd love to see our political process grow

Can you imagine an open stage with the top 10 candidates from the top 10 political parties all debating? Now THAT I would get the popcorn for! Gary Johnson vs Donald Trump? That would be solid gold!

[Fred Sanders]

15. I would love that also....can only happen if folks realize there ARE better political systems.

Better than one written in the age of muskets and powder horns.

[pinebox]

12. Found it!

Here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=781355

[Thinkingabout]

3. Sanders is progressive with his gun issues, wow. He is with the RW on this one.

[Autumn]

4. Of course she isn't a Progressive. Hillary will be the first to tell you she

pleads guilty to being a moderate.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/10/1420204/-Hillary-I-plead-guilty-to-being-a-moderate

Hillary Clinton confessed Thursday to something liberals have long suspected: being a moderate Democrat.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

of course back in July it was

"I take a backseat to no one," Clinton told a New Hampshire audience in July, "When you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values."

The answer my friend is Blowing in the Wind. Who you going to believe? Hillary Hillary or Bernie?

[Hydra]

20. You and your quotes from the source!

Coming from "what we call the reality-based community,"!

[CharlotteVale]

6. K&R. I don't consider her progressive.

[Hoyt]

8. Clinton is for most, if not all, of that, tempered by reality.

[colsohlibgal]

16. Hillary Will Say What She Thinks She Needs To Say

It just comes off as calculating to a lot of us, expedient.

Not so with Bernie, he has held the same view for years other than with guns.

He is taking no super pac cash from Wall Street. Hillary is taking oodles of it. So why would a rational person believe she would do anything to reign them in? Or maybe her minions don't care if the Banksters still takes huge risks just to further enrich themselves at the expense of the rest of us.

[zappaman]

17. Ok. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

22. You concede a lot of ground. You nearly always seem to have an "ok" response. This is good to see.

Maybe you're coming around.

[Indepatriot]

18. Hillary is just as Progressive as her Wall Street handlers allow her to be.

[HassleCat]

19. Let's be fair

Clinton made one claim to be a progressive, and that was qualified as "progressive Democrat." I haven't heard any similar claims lately, so I don't think she's making that claim. And I don't see very much "She's a progressive!" from her supporters here on DU, at least not lately. It appears to me her campaign flirted with the progressive notion, and then decided it wasn't such a good idea. If it's a myth, it's a myth nobody is pushing.

[sabrina 1]

21. No, it's not true. Hillary herself has stated as much. She has told us she is a moderate and is

apparently is proud of it and has proved by her support for policies that are in no way progressive.

[99Forever]

23. It isn't even close.

By ANY measure.

[Scuba]

24. Hillary is a progressive in the same way Bristol Palin is a virgin.

[UglyGreed]

25. Hillary

I'm a progressive that can get things done, translation: I'm going to appease the Republicans and my Wall Street/corporate owners.

[HassleCat]

26. And she doesn't claim to be

Read her supporters' posts carefully. They don't say she's as progressive as Sanders. They say she's progressive enough, progressive on the critical issues, 93 percent as progressive as Sanders, and so on. I don't think Clinton is trying to compete with Sanders in this arena. I don't think she wants to. Her argument seems to be, "I'm progressive enough."