"On her worst day Hillary Clinton would be....a better president...than any Republican candidate."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

"On her worst day Hillary Clinton would be a infinitely better president...than any Republican candidate."

-Bernie Sanders

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_563f6c93e4b0b24aee4aa19a

[JaneyVee]

1. Shhh! Don't tell the anti-Hillary crowd.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/563f6c93e4b0b24aee4aa19a

Bernie just endorsed HRC for prez.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Sometimes I get upset with him but it remind me of the quote attributed to Gandhi.

Last edited Sun Nov 8, 2015, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)

I like your senator. His supporters sometimes I don't like so much.

[daleanime]

10. That's an awfully low bar....

for both an endorsement and standard for the Presidency. My concern is what it says about us as a nation.

[MineralMan]

38. "infinitely better" is hardly a low bar.

Infinity is a pretty big concept. Incomprehensibly big, actually. I think it's an exaggeration, but Bernie Sanders seems to think she'd be a far, far better choice than any Republican. Know what? That's good enough for me. She'll have my vote if she's the nominee, and so will Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley if they get the nomination.

All would be "infinitely better" than any Republican.

[erronis]

64. Well stated for both of us. Thank you.

[leveymg]

79. On her best day, she's the best Republican running for President.

Richard Nixon was to her left on many issues. In her heart, she's still a Goldwater girl.

[bvf]

17. So if I'd rather have

a poke in the eye with a sharp stick than a bullet through the head, you take it as an endorsement for the sharp stick?

What is wrong with you?

[99th_Monkey]

19. He did no such thing.

Bernie, in the same breath, also said "we have very significant differences, and the key difference is I see a nation in which we have a grotesque level of income and wealth inequality."

Don't forget that part.

on edit: Though I do admit, I wish Bernie had said "would be" ...

.. instead of "Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and president"

.. as i posted under another OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1254527

[840high]

39. ...+1

[artislife]

45. He did not. He would make an infinitely better president than h.

He just confirmed she wouldn't be the bottom of the barrel.

[PatrynXX]

62. I'm not Anti Hillary , I'm pro truth

she's a Fiscal Conservative. I'm not. Thats the simple truth.

[Persondem]

72. "Pro truth" eh, then why do you endorse lies?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=773551

[Bubzer]

75. Thats not an endorsment. That's merely saying water is wet... fire is hot... politicians lie.

Stating the obvious is not an endorsement.

An endorsement is more like; Bernie Sanders is the best choice for president.
versus the obvious;
On his worst day, Bernie Sanders would be a better president than any Republican candidate.

[Chemisse]

2. Did Bernie say that?

He is a good man.

All 3 of our Dem candidates would be better than any of the GOP clowns - by far, and with their hands tied (Obama proved that last point).

[ibegurpard]

4. At least we're not Republicans...

Such a winning message that has been for Democrats...

[NurseJackie]

7. He's boiling it down and simplifying it. Putting it in B/W terms for a certain type of voter.

Good for him!

[ibegurpard]

11. It's called damming with faint praise

And, no, it doesn't do your candidate any favors when the better choice is the one saying it.

[NurseJackie]

16. It benefits the voters for whom its directed.

Faint praise? Of course it is! What else would anyone expect? He's running against Hillary, right? It seems unrealistic to expect an outright endorsement at this point. So, for him to rise to the level of "faint praise" is indeed a welcome development!

But it does suggest to me that he already understands that he's not going to be the nominee. It's pretty clear that this is an early attempt to prepare his followers for his inevitable defeat.

[DFW]

55. I wouldn't say he "understands" that. In politics, things are rarely inevitable.

I had the chance to talk with someone close to him and his campaign in September, and they said that while he may have started out thinking that he had no realistic chance, he now really wants it.

I'd say he is taking a pragmatic view about what stance to take if and when it should become clear that Hillary has the nomination locked up, a claim that can't credibly be made at this point (and she appears to know it).

Sanders saying he'll endorse and support Hillary (or, presumably O'Malley) should one of them win the nomination is just being true to his word so far. Can't fault him for that. The Gandhi quote mentioned above has been apt probably way more often than Bernie himself would be comfortable with.

I think what he wants to prepare his followers for is a prolonged fight for ideals that will not be achieved in the first year, or maybe even five or ten years after the 2017 inauguration, no matter who is inaugurated--but that if a Republican is inaugurated, you can push that back to fifty years-to-never.

[NurseJackie]

57. I take your point. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

[DFW]

63. No sweat

One "thoughtful reply" that I didn't even realize was to a post from the Sanders group got me banned from there (as if I had been trying to post on that group in the first place). So, there is a lot of what Gandhi pointed out these days (I am neutral so far, am comfortable with either one, though I plan to choose before the Texas primary). Tread lightly!

[NurseJackie]

70. Yeah, I also accidentally posted a reply in the Bernie group, and was promptly banned. Oh well.

If I'd known that the Bernie group posts were still visible on the home page (even after I'd hidden the group) then I might have been more careful. Or, if the Bernie group posts had "Sanders Group" automatically appended to the title, that would help too. But, on the plus-side, being banned does prevent me from accidentally posting there again, so there is that.

[DFW]

89. I never deliberately post(ed) in either group

But I didn't realize, first off, that there are "protected" groups (we have groups so fragile they need protecting?), and second, that posts showing up on the home page can be from "protected" groups. If a post appears on the home page, how is someone undecided supposed to know that only the sacred elite could post replies there?

Oh well, now I know, and I take care to immediately close anything I open that turns out to be from such groups. When the nomination is finally decided, one of these groups will be celebrating, and the rest (I don't even know how many there are!) will be biting off their lips and cutting off their fingertips in fits of rage. Those are boards better off left alone, lest you get your ear sliced off by accident

[Demeter]

49. For sure. It wouldn't be much of an improvement

Just a quicker slide into neoliberal, neocon hell due to efficiencies and ruthlessness.

[treestar]

85. Not the argument to be used with most voters

It is only used for the type who think Hillary is right wing and all that shit.

[NurseJackie]

5. That's coming very close to being an endorsement. (Good for you, Bernie!)

[artislife]

46. Another example of magical thinking...nt

[NurseJackie]

56. Win or lose, everything will be fine. Bernie knows it, and he's subtly letting his followers know.

After all, if he's TRULY not the type of candidate to go for "cheap shots" and "faint praise", if we're to believe all that's been said about him, then these words have no other purpose than to prepare his followers for his defeat in the primaries.

On the other hand, if he was running a coarse and crude campaign like Trump, then we could simply take his words at face value. Indeed, it would be little more than a veiled insult and everyone could move on.

But it's more than that, isn't it? You know it and I know it. Labeling his words as "faint praise" or calling my interpretation of his words "magical thinking" won't change the facts.

I do understand how many of Bernie's followers find comfort and satisfaction in continuing on with the charade. Denial and anger are part of the stages of grief, and his defeat will take time to get over.

[artislife]

90. I think you are connecting imaginary dots. nt

[NurseJackie]

92. I've always believed that it's better to have an imagination than delusions.

In the face of all the evidence, and the hurdles he faces, the belief that Bernie will be the nominee is delusional.

[artislife]

94. *chortle

By the way, your screen name is apt.

[ismnotwasm]

6. And better than Sanders

Just the facts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I think in this instance I will be gracious.

EOM

[ismnotwasm]

24. You are correct

I will endeavor to be more gracious---nay, I shall be more gracious.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. My graciousness will be a function of the other side's graciousness.

EOM

[think]

31. I appreciate that. Thank you. I agree with Bernie That Hillary would be much better than the GOP

alternative.

[daleanime]

12. I'm glad that the status quo...

is good for at least you.

Hope you don't mind those of us who want to change it too much.

[ismnotwasm]

23. I LOVE you guys

Never change..

[coyote]

59. Is that Hilary's slogan?

Never change? Sounds fitting.

[daleanime]

65. Don't be afraid of change....

everything changes. Denying that is denying life.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. Change it from the bottom up, not the top down,

as President Obama has asked us to do. Again, the president is NOT a dictator. NO change can happen with a Congress staunchly fighting for the "status quo".

If that's Bernie Sanders' intent, to change the so-called status quo, he's going about it the wrong way.

Find strong liberal candidates to run against sitting Congressional members - and start by doing that in Republican districts. Get that million-man/woman army up and marching NOW, and not wait for a self-proclaimed Liberal to get into the White House where he or she will have very little influence in pushing for a "revolution". Don't wait. Get out the vote during midterm and low-profile elections from dog catcher up. Only then will anyone take seriously people who claim to want a radical change from the so-called status quo. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of wishful thinking.

[daleanime]

61. Do we really have a generation....

to waste?

Need to do it on all levels, unless you think that what we've been doing is working.

[BlueCaliDem]

106. No, of course not.

Need to do it on all levels, unless you think that what we've been doing is working.

Yes. Starting from the bottom and going up.

Clearly, just supporting a progressive president isn't going to shake up the status quo with a Congress that's pretty much moderate to conservative. They will neuter him and make him a lame duck president (enemy of my enemy is my friend strategy), and then wave bye-bye when he leaves the White House because he can't get re-elected (the American people punish presidents who don't much done for them).

We need a president who, either can work with the Congress we have now, or radically change the make-up of Congress if the president is more progressive than they're used to - like Bernie Sanders. Those are our only choices.

[daleanime]

108. The only things Hillary will be able to get through congress...

are the things we need to stop. And why should we consider that either a choice or good?

[BlueCaliDem]

109. Yes, I know Republicans are unified on that, but then again, who cares what they think?

As for Democrats and Liberals, a President Hillary Clinton will continue the positive trajectory that President Obama has set us on. Why? Because she has clout amongst Democrats in Congress. She's worked for years to build the support that she'll be able to count on in Congress.

[daleanime]

116. And Democrats wouldn't be willing....

to work with a President Sanders?

[BlueCaliDem]

118. Were they willing to work with President Obama the first two-three years of his first term?

No. And he wasn't radically left to boot. A President Sanders would get nowhere with this Congress.

So Sanders supporters need to stop going online and browbeat people into supporting their preferred candidate, and hit the streets. Start that million man/woman march NOW if you really want your candidate to win, and are not just paying lip-service to him.

[daleanime]

119. How in God's name is asking a question....

browbeating?

And I'll be back at a table tomorrow, and I always carry fliers with me when I leave the house.

And as for 'lip-service'.

Have a lovely day.

[BlueCaliDem]

120. If the shoe don't fit...

And I'll be back at a table tomorrow, and I always carry fliers with me when I leave the house.

Excellent! So...when will that promised "million man/woman march" begin? Do you have a date certain?

Have a lovely day as well!

[daleanime]

121. Nice no answer.....

Hillary's favorite type.

And thank you, I will. Anime with the kids at the Library today, hummnnn......have they registered yet?

[BlueCaliDem]

122. Maybe, but you're SO much better at non-answers than I am.

I salute you.

[daleanime]

125. ........

[Kentonio]

137. You can't start from the bottom up.

Because the top of the party sets the tone for the entire party. As long as people like DWS are leading the party, there is no potential for encouraging progressive candidates, and indeed she may well hinder rather than help them as she's done before. Put in a real progressive president, and filter that down through the ranks, its the only way to achieve anything.

[BlueCaliDem]

139. Yes, you can start from the bottom up. Who cares about DWS?

Get that million man/woman marching NOW. Find and run liberal Democrats to run against Republicans and Democrats you deem "not liberal enough". DWS wasn't enamored with Barack Obama, either, but he and his coalition made her pay attention and she buckled. This liberal push can only happen on the ground through a strong grassroots movement. Don't condemn your candidate to have to work with our current Congress because they will obstruct him every which way, making his presidency either a failure or one wherein he has to compromise a lot in order to get anything done.

[treestar]

86. Well Said

It's a lot harder than just getting the Presidency. Not facing that gets us with all those R state houses and R gerrymandering.

[frylock]

68. Present some facts.

[randys1]

126. Ahh yes, so Bernie says exactly what I have said a few hundred times, how bout that!

[mcar]

9. Nicely said Sen Sanders

[Autumn]

13. A dung beetle would be....a better president...than any Republican candidate.

We know that. The goal is to get a Democratic President who will see to the needs of the people.

[restorefreedom]

18. exactly...nice of him to say it, but he is not

setting a high bar. i would not call this a ringing endorsement as some have, but rather a statement of the obvious...that repubs suck big time

[Autumn]

28. A very low bar indeed. We know republican suck

[restorefreedom]

29. yup....its not the raging complement some think it is. nt

[restorefreedom]

20. since you mentioned dung beetles

i could not resist

https://m.

[Autumn]

21. One of my favorite episodes

[restorefreedom]

27. mine too :) nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

80. I thought they were dung beetles. Shit in and shit out.

[Autumn]

81. Please don't disparage the dung beetle by comparing them to republicans. Have you ever seen

how hard that dung beetle works?

[randys1]

128. The way you dismiss what he says, shows little respect for him.

[Autumn]

131. I didn't dismiss what Bernie said, I gave an opinion. I do happen to think for myself

and I'm a very opinionated old Latina woman and I will speak my mind. You don't like what I say? Don't read what I say because no person alive tells me what to say or how I should should say something. Do you disagree that a dung beetle would be a better president than a republican? It's sad when people look for a reason to attack someone for such an innocent and true statement about republicans just to score points.

[randys1]

132. I am not the one who says dismissive and nasty things about any of the Dem candidates.

Not once, not ever.

[Autumn]

134. My remark was about republicans randy, how sad you find remarks about republicans so

offensive. I said nothing about Hillary, you may want to try reading what I said in my post randy. This OP was about something Bernie said about Hillary. My goal is to elect Bernie to the White House for the American people. I applaud Bernie's graciousness to an opponent. We all know Hillary or anything and anyone would be better than a republican. Enjoy your feigned outrage randy, I know I do.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251781389#post13

Autumn (24,474 posts)
13. A dung beetle would be....a better president...than any Republican candidate.

We know that. The goal is to get a Democratic President who will see to the needs of the people.

[randys1]

135. Now this is getting funny and ridiculous.

Bernie supports Hillary for president, if he isnt the nominee.

Supports her big time.

I am a Bernie supporter and following his lead is simple.

[Autumn]

136. Has she won the nomination randy? Tell me Bernie hasn't endorsed her yet randy???

What nonsense to attack a poster for not following Bernie's lead for something that hasn't happened. Bernie is running for president currently why on earth would he support her at this time? I am a Bernie supporter and I will follow his lead but unlike you I will not support her preemptively to score points. "Funny and ridiculous" is certainly true so I see no need to respond to you again.

[randys1]

138. You follow his lead? Really? You almost never criticize Hillary and when you do it is

only about very specific, real issues that matter and not nonsense?

[Martin Eden]

14. Yes, and what's more ...

... on his worst day Bernie Sanders would be an infinitely better president than Hillary Clinton.

[Thinkingabout]

32. In her sleep she would make better decisions.

[artislife]

47. Unfortunately, I believe she will insist on doing the job awake.

[KingCharlemagne]

48. Like the decision to invade Iraq? I'm guessing she didn't lose

Much sleep over that decision.

[Thinkingabout]

53. I am more concerned over the decision to vote against gun control issues, Sanders dances and

does not answer to his votes except to say he is from a rural state. The killing is not happening hunting for game, it is happening in schools, churches, theaters, shopping centers and on our streets. Doesn't seem to bother Sanders, he still says he is from a rural state.

[cherokeeprogressive]

98. Her IWR vote caused about as many deaths as the American Civil War.

Innocent men, women, and children... who just happened to be where the Iraqi soldiers were hiding.

[Thinkingabout]

102. Who has invaded the US, gun violence has invaded the US, more deaths all

Of the time, if we went back there would be more deaths on US soil than the Iraq war and still counting. That may be ok with some people but it is not with me. Many Native Americans does at the hands of the armies plus individuals, it does not justify the gun violence happening.

[cherokeeprogressive]

97. To quote a recent TV commercial... She slept "like ze infant. She slept like... lumbah." n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

42. This is truth.

[Autumn]

66. In his sleep Martin Eden. In his sleep

[rocktivity]

15. So would Taylor Swift. eom

rocktivity

[Reter]

22. Not on her worst day

On her worst day, she would start unnecessary wars that some pukes might oppose. But on her other days yes. She's slightly better.

[Thinkingabout]

33. Sanders has stated he would take military action and use drones, go figure.

[Reter]

44. Well he's no Paul Wellstone

But he's the best one running. He would be the least pro-war President since Carter, I think we can agree on that.

[onenote]

88. Which repub candidate would oppose those things?

Rand Paul? Maybe.

Anyone else? No.

Certainly not Trump, who thinks military might is the way to show that America is great again.
Certainly not Carson or Huckabee, who think (Christian) God is always on our side and hate Mooslims.
Certainly not Cruz, who hates everyone.
Certainly not Christie or Fiorina or Jeb who would have to prove that they're as tough as the others.

In fact they'd be so much quicker to pull the trigger it would make your head spin.

[Reter]

100. Carson is actually more anti-war than Paul, his Dad, and Sanders

Ron Paul and Sanders supported the war in Afghanistan, as did almost everyone else. Not Carson though, he argued against it. He also wrote a letter to W begging him to reconsider on military action in Iraq.

Basically there are 4 positions on war, and it's possible to support more than one position:

1) Completely anti-war. Only Carson is here. He said about 6 months ago war might be off the table if someone declared war on us. This position is nuts IMO.

2) Almost completely anti-war. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are here, and probably Rand. This position is where I stand. Only when absolutely necessary.

3) For big wars (Iraq). Clinton and Bush are certainly here. Trump blasts the Iraq War, so I don't know where to put him yet. Huck is here too, along with Christie and my guess Fiorina (she has no record on war, so tough to tell). Not sure on Cruz. He's super-right, but some that far-right hate the Bushes and everything they have done. I'd probably put Rubio in support of the big ones.

4) For little skirmishes. While death is no skirmish, micro-wars like intervention in Libya, Bosnia, Somalia, and Syria are small-scale compared to the rest. Hillary and Bush are cemented in here, and I'd bet Christie is too. Cruz, Carson, Trump, and Sanders aren't here. They argued against Syrian intervention. Trump went so far to say Syria needs a dictator like Assad. No idea on Huck or Fiorina. Rubio supported action in Syria at first, then quickly changed his mind as the right went nuts. He's a teo-con. Acts tea party, but is a neo-con in disguise.

As you can see, Clinton is very pro-war. She pretty much supports all of them. I don't have her on record of opposing any the last 25 years.

[cosmicone]

26. Now .. only if people who post OPs trashing Hillary would "get" it n/t

[Gman]

30. Sanders people hate it when he says stuff like that

They wish he were more like them.

[onenote]

34. Another reason I like Bernie -- He recognizes that elections matter

Contrast his statements with the efforts by various repub candidates to portray their primary opponents as unqualified.

[JoePhilly]

35. Bernie attacks Bernie!!!!!

[BlueCaliDem]

37. It could be he's seeing the proverbial "writing on the wall". eom

[840high]

40. It would be that Bernie is a kind gentleman.

[NurseJackie]

50. Yes, you're correct! It appears that some Bernie followers aren't able to see beyond his words …

… and try to take comfort by characterizing it as "damning her with faint praise". In their black-and-white world of good-guys and bad-guys, spy vs spy and zero shades of gray, they can only see what's at the surface. For them, nuance and context don't exist.

Or, perhaps even if they do see beyond the words, it's difficult for them to accept, and therefore they choose to ignore reality and pretend that Bernie meant something else entirely. They want it to be an insult, so they choose to believe it was an insult. I get that. I can't blame them.*

Even so, their inability or unwillingness to accept or understand what's going on, doesn't change reality. This is likely to be his first baby-step toward preparing them for the reality that he's not going to be the nominee. It's a "take heart" and "all is not lost" message with a truthful reminder that no matter how much they hate Hillary, things will be okay.

--

* I'm often reminded of my high school days when our last-place football team had pep rallies. We loved our team and we had so much school spirit! An outsider looking in would think that our team was headed for the state championship, when the only thing we wanted was to beat the team that was in next-to-last place. In our hearts, we knew we'd lose, but we cheered anyway. It seemed like we were the ones chosen for everyone else's homecoming game. Yet we soldiered on. We chanted silly insults at the other team ("Tigers tigers don't be blue, Frankenstein was ugly too&quot and still we lost. Last place again, yet, we never once thought it was a good idea to burn down the school or destroy our stadium. We understood self-destructive behavior wouldn't improve our team or teach our coaches a lesson. We just held our heads high and told ourselves "next year we'll do better".

[Ed Suspicious]

41. Can't trust a word that bugeyed SOB says. Am I right?

[ejbr]

43. This is why we love him

he consistently speaks the truth. I'll leave it at that.

[Joe Turner]

51. I guess you have to set the bar that low to sell Hillary

[raindaddy]

52. The Republican Party has gone off the rails, so that's really not saying a whole lot.

Trump and Carson are the current leaders, not sure either one of them could even define what the President does....Can't think of any Democrat who on their worst day wouldn't be better than either one of them them...

Personally, my expectations are a little higher than that....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. So would his wife and a number of his colleagues. It's a mighty low bar.

And, they would be better than Hillary.

[whatchamacallit]

58. That's not saying much n/t

[ConservativeDemocrat]

60. It's absolutely clear that this goes for Senator Sanders as well

I think Sanders is unrealistic. But he's absolutely not a crazy sociopath. There is an enormous difference.

If he wins the nomination, I will be proud to vote for him.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Agschmid]

67. Yup.

[Skinner]

69. Bernie is a class act.

[randys1]

129. HE sure is.

[LovingA2andMI]

71. As with any candidate, we can agree to disagree with their opinions....

And Bernie will be Wrote In within the General Election IF (and that is IF) he is not the nominee REGARDLESS of if that write-in counts. That's the way it is and the Write-In Bernie Campaign is and will remain for many, option 2.

#JustSaying~!!!

[onenote]

87. Of course we can. And as with any DU post, we can agree to disagree about your opinion

In my opinion, as a Bernie supporter, if he doesn't get the nomination, the write-in campaign you are promoting would be the worst thing for this country and for the segments of this country that make up a considerable portion of the Democratic party's base: gays, African-Americans, Latinos, other immigrants, women, those needing the benefits of a government provided safety net (i.e. ACA, SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid).

And I'd bet everything I own that Bernie would agree with me.

[LovingA2andMI]

95. And that would be YOUR Opinion....

Unless you know Bernie personality (one to one, everyday conversation outside the MSM political lens), you have little to no right to state his. #FYI....

[onenote]

103. Well, given that Bernie said that Clinton on her worst day would be infinitely better than any

of the repub candidates, I'd say we have a pretty good indication that my view of what he would think of a campaign that would help a repub candidate get elected.

[LovingA2andMI]

105. Again, you are trying to ASSUME someone else's opinion and FAILING....again....

Meanwhile....



Than Hillary Any Day of the Week. And that's the way it is!

[onenote]

107. I'm a Bernie supporter. I just happen to think he's right.

You apparently don't.
Hmmmm.

[LovingA2andMI]

110. Sure you are.....

[onenote]

111. And sure you are.

I have the cancelled check to prove it. But don't think i"m going to share it with someone like you.

There are a lot of over the top Clinton supporters around here, but you're giving them a run for the money when you challenge whether someone can be a Bernie supporter and still believe (as Bernie himself has suggested) that if it comes down to it, we're better off with Clinton as president than any of the repubs.

Makes you wonder...

[LovingA2andMI]

112. Huh, Like What?

"But don't think i"m going to share it with someone like you."

First, who asked you too?

As for "someone like you", exactly what do you mean by that considering the fact you do know NOTHING in reality about this DU member, at all.....

You know what, never mind as this seriously useless back and forth with you on a thread where you replied to my comment --- as you happened to do with many others on this thread -- despite the fact you could have just responded to the OP's thought or idea --- is not worth one more MOMENT of my time.

(Bye-Bye)

[onenote]

113. and yet you thought you knew something about THIS DU member

pot meet kettle and all that.

See you around!

[LovingA2andMI]

114. Actually, No, You Won't

You responded as it was figured, as you believe in a inherent need to have the last word despite not making a point or answering the question, at all.

Again (Bye-Bye) and ignore, this time.

Oh, and still will be Writing In Bernie (if necessary) and not checking the ballot for Hillary. This unless back and forth was, unless....

[onenote]

115. LOL! Nothing says "i have to have the last word" like putting someone on ignore

You won't see it, but then again, you don't see most things.

[randys1]

130. So you are not going to support the Democratic Party or candidate if it isnt Bernie?

[LovingA2andMI]

140. The former Democratic Candidate for POTUS would be at that point....

Bernie Sanders -- who caucuses in the Senate with the Democrats.

Amazing how this FACT gets lost in "click-bait set up" posts like this. Unless, it didn't....

[randys1]

142. No clue, none, what you are talking about

[LovingA2andMI]

143. Of course....

[dirtydickcheney]

73. Trump is better than Clinton on Trade

... and it's not even close. His "plan" to bring manufacturing back from Mexico, China and India is (to paraphrase The Donald) HOOOGGEEE.

And i'll take the Thom Hartmann position that whichever party decides to bring manufacturing back from other nations 'will not lose another election'.

Hillary has made absolutely no mention of this and why should she? She's a Corporatist, Third-Wayer, New Democrat through-and-through.

Just my 2 cents..

[Ed Suspicious]

74. "whichever party decides to bring manufacturing back from other nations 'will not lose another

election."

You've got that right.

[Kermitt Gribble]

133. Isn't Trump also against a minimum wage?

So when he brings these manufacturing jobs back, will they pay the same wages as Mexico, China and India?

[peacebird]

76. And on his worst day Bernie Sanders would still be a better President than Hillary

[paul ofnoclique]

77. Could you come HERE and say that, please???

Senator, you have nailed it! I will be voting for you in the primary, but, should Sec Clinton end up as the Democratic nominee, I shall, without hesitation, vote for her next November!

[vt_native]

78. I strongly disagree

Because Clintons act like Republicans and get away with things that no Republican could get away with, because they are Democrats, I guess...

Remember welfare reform? With a Repub you get push back as opposed to meek acquiesence, or hand wringing agreement..

[onenote]

83. Fortunately Bernie has a better understanding of these things than you do

I'm a Bernie supporter, but he's right that on her worst day Clinton would be infinitely better than any of the repubs running.

She'd be infinitely better than any repub with respect to judicial appointments, particularly the Supreme Court.
She'd be infinitely better than any repub with respect to matters of racial equality, gender equality, women's rights (especially abortion rights, Planned Parenthood, etc.).
She'd be infinitely better than any repub with respect to safety net programs like SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the ACA.

Do I think Bernie would be better than Clinton on all of these things? Yes. And so does Bernie. But he is clear-eyed enough to understand that if he doesn't get the nomination, we still need to work our butts off to defeat the repub candidate.

[bvf]

82. Paraphrasing: "You could do worse."

That seems to qualify as an endorsement here--at least in one case.

[treestar]

84. So Bernie himself is not Bernie or Bust

Under the bus you go, Bernie!!!

[jeepers]

91. Bernie is telling us that if he doesn't win the primary

his supporters should vote for Hillary because she is better than any republican. There is a real nobility being expressed here which we miss for all the bickering and insults we amuse ourselves with.

[McCamy Taylor]

93. And so would Sanders. And O'Malley. I love Democratic primaries.

Like getting to choose between brie, gouda and provolone--all excellent cheeses. While the GOP tries to give us that processed cheese food product crap in a can

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. And on her BEST day she couldn't hold a candle to the President Bernie Sanders will be.

[Dem2]

99. Any of our 3 Democratic candidates would be. n/t

[bowens43]

101. I disagree

[onenote]

104. okay. which repub candidate would be a better president than Clinton

and why is Bernie mistaken in thinking otherwise.

[raouldukelives]

117. Amen to that. Current crop of course.

Marginally to the left of senile Reagan is still far saner than Carson.

[Fawke Em]

123. So what?

My vote is my own.

[ecstatic]

124. All of them would be. The "my candidate or I'll stay home"

types are NOT democrats, liberal, progressive, or anything remotely useful or relevant to our cause. They don't matter and deserve to be shut out of the discussion.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

127. And this is why Hillary will get my vote

in the General Election, if she gets the nomination.

She will be the lesser of two evils.

And I'll hold my nose and vote for her.

[Ken Burch]

141. So would an old tennis ball from the dog park.

Bernie never said HRC was unqualified.