Confessions from a Hillary Shill

[Le Taz Hot]

Good afternoon. As of today, I am officially a former "digital media specialist" (a nice way to say "paid Internet troll&quot previously employed by Hillary Clinton's campaign (through a PR firm). I'm posting here today as a confession of sorts because I can no longer continue to participate in something that has become morally-indigestible for me.

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The real problem for me started around the end of September and the beginning of October, when there was a change of direction from the team leader again. Apparently, the higher-ups in the firm caught wind of an impending spending splurge by the Clinton campaign that month and wanted to put up an impressive display. We received very specific instructions about how and what to post, and I was aghast at what I saw. It was a complete change in tone and approach, and it was extremely nasty in character. We changed from advocates to hatchet men, and it left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Just to give you an idea, here are some of the guidelines for our posting in October:

1) Sexism. This was the biggest one we were supposed to push. We had to smear Bernie as misogynistic and out-of-touch with modern sensibilities. He was to be characterized as "an old white male relic that believed women enjoyed being gang raped". Anyone who tried to object to this characterization would be repeatedly slammed as sexist until they went away or people lost interest.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

The rest of the list will sound eerily familiar.

[ibegurpard]

1. of course

They'll try to pawn it off as conspiracy theory but it's a common tactic on the net all across the board... not just in politics.

[HerbChestnut]

67. Oh well that makes it alright then...

[1StrongBlackMan]

138. Well ... It OP is taken from the "Conspiracy" forum. n/t

[waldo.c]

186. Troll for Billary

Suspicions confirmed. DU is rife with trolling for Billary.

[waldo.c]

211. and furthermore

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/05/leaked-emails-from-pro-clinton-group-reveal-censorship-of-staff-on-israel-aipac-pandering-warped-militarism/

[Unknown Beatle]

239. Holy fuck! From your link:

Other emails show Tanden arguing that Libyans should be forced to turn over large portions of their oil revenues to repay the U.S. for the costs incurred in bombing Libya, on the grounds that Americans will support future wars only if they see that the countries attacked by the U.S. pay for the invasions.

Key word, invasions.

The US military for hire! That what they want.

Holy warmongers, Batman!

[polly7]

240. +1,000,000 nt.

[Catherina]

284. Copying link in case something happens to the post you're responding to

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/05/leaked-emails-from-pro-clinton-group-reveal-censorship-of-staff-on-israel-aipac-pandering-warped-militarism/

[paul ofnoclique]

266. Didn't you read the title? Were talking Shillary!

Shill for Hillary. See?

[INdemo]

285. I wonder how many of those Billary's

were consistently posting those "Alerts" and how many of them were blocking others from posting.

I suspected this weeks ago. It became very obvious.
I also think the campaign was/is supplying scripts to follow.

[Cal33]

291. "Scripts to follow", that's the way the Corporate Republicans work, isn't it? The orders

go from the top to the bottom. No wonder that Third-Way Democrats are also called
"Lite-Republicans." They are half-way Republicans.

[TheFarS1de]

330. Of course they are following a script .

When do you EVER see them get into an in depth discussion ? It is always a hit and run post with no substance other than the narrative for the day .

Nothing more than paid Parrots .

[INdemo]

339. cool I like that

"Paid Parrots" now replaces "mouth piece" I like it.

[CoffeeCat]

245. This is so typical in the PR world...

I worked many years in PR--and it is common knowledge--that large PR firms are hired by corporations, activists and politicians to further agendas.

Anyone suggesting that this is some kooky conspiracy, fails to understand what everyone in the PR industry considers common knowledge.

What I find most interesting are the talking points, key messages and memes that this Hillary shill was charged with disseminating. All were key themes that were leveraged during the campaign. You could watch as the "Bernie is sexist" meme was dropped, cultivated and waned. Same is true of the racism charges. All of those themes had an obvious life cycle. They were introduced, peaked and died.

This lends credibility to the accusations.

No doubt that there have been concerted efforts to position Bernie supporters as hipster brats; and Bernie as unelectable. Both laughable, manufactured constructs.

This messaging is coming from somewhere.
It makes complete sense that the Clinton camp is paying shills.

[ibegurpard]

263. It's huge on gaming forums

When a company is trying to do damage control for something their player base is angry about. What's laughable are the attempts to make it seem like this is conspiracy theory. Is this paticular incident legit? I have no idea but this shit is definitely going on.

[underpants]

2. Oooh!

[Le Taz Hot]

3. . . .

[Kalidurga]

254. I think paid trolls are an urban legend

However, each and every point made in that post seemed like things I have seen here everyday since I started posting again and things I saw that po'd me off enough to take a break back in July.

[Fast Walker 52]

288. so you think otherwise now, I hope?

Because this is a fact, fairly well documented, that such people exist.

[sabrina 1]

290. Who needed this to recognize the paid for talking points?

I think we already had a list of them here as the appeared.

Your campaign has to be in trouble when you have to pay for the kind of trash we've seen over the past few months.

[Cal33]

296. It seems Republicans pay many to post in forums. Many years ago I was new to the computer,

and taking part for the first time in a political debate forum on the Internet. After a while I
began to notice the similarity of what the Republican members were saying. I asked one
of them, "Are you Republicans being paid for writing here?" His reply was: "You mean you
Democrats aren't being paid?" I replied, "No. I'm writing here to state my personal
beliefs, and I want to do this. I also enjoy having the opportunity to do this."

That clinched it. I then knew that they were being paid. I also realized that this particular
individual was also a new-comer to that forum, just as I was - but on opposite political sides.
He didn't stay very long in that forum.

[Bubzer]

98. Right? Scootch over!

[DanTex]

4. LOL. Wonder how much Bernie paid this guy to post this.

[merrily]

7. LOL!

[ToxMarz]

34. I doubt he had to be paid, I'm sure he just took it upon himself.

[Fuddnik]

53. !

[Tommy2Tone]

83. Nothing he made the story up for giggles and grins

[rhett o rick]

112. Nice try but when you side with the billionaires that can buy anything they want, you

buy into the dirty tricks they buy. Sen Sanders can't afford the dirty tricks and I don't believe it's within his character. HRC has very questionable integrity for a long list of things, esp. her partnership with the Bush Republicons in invading Iraq.

The billionaires are not going to spend a billion dollars to lose. They will do literally anything to win. That's the side you've chosen. Maybe you feel comfortable because of their power. Dare to fight to be free from the power of the Oligarchy.

[pnwmom]

230. The Koch brothers must be trying to help Bernie, because they're already running Hillary attack ads.

[rhett o rick]

232. The Koch brothers are good friends of the Bush Crime Family. Of course the

Oligarchs prefer Bush but will be happy with Clinton. Goldman-Sachs was even embarrassed to reveal that.

It's past time to get big money out of politics, and Clinton isn't about to do that.

[pnwmom]

233. They're helping Bernie right now. They must like him more than Hillary.

At least, as an opponent to their puppet in the general election.

[JoePhilly]

161. You need to ask that in the Bernie Group.

I suspect this "paid Hillary Shill" is a regular there.

[RoccoR5955]

173. ROTFLMAOPMP!

[tblue37]

292. What does the "PMP" part of your abbreviation stand for? nt

[RoccoR5955]

316. peed my pants! n/t

[tblue37]

325. Thanks--that's a new one for me. nt

[Cal33]

297. Probably nothing. Thinking that everyone else is just like you could be a mistake.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. As

As Hillary Clinton's march to the nomination and the presidency becomes more and more unstoppable I expect the attacks on her and her supporters to become more vitriolic as they grow exponentially

I would also add the septuagenarian senator's macho musings about "kicking (Hillary's) butt" has done more to raise my testosterone level than a year's supply of HGH taken at once can ever do. That should help me fend off the attacks from the Bully Brigade that is sure to come.



<patiently waits>

[merrily]

8. LOL!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I am glad you find me entertaining...

Better than trying to bully me but my post is still young...It's still early on the West Coast so many of the septuagenarian senator's acolytes must still be at Starbucks.

[merrily]

30. I'm glad I find you amusing, too. Smiling and laughing are among my favorite things. Your ageist

remarks embarrass you and your candidate. She's only six years younger than Sanders anyway.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. If I said Hillary Clinton was the sexagenarian senator from NY would I be ageist?

If I said President Obama is the quinquagenarian president would I be ageist?


It's a descriptor.

[merrily]

39. A descriptor that you made a point of using two posts in a row? As if any DUer needed that

descriptor even once? Never used it with Hillary, either.

Yeah, definitely ageist. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

But, great, keep denying that your use of "descriptors" was ageist. Let's make sure to keep this thread kicked. It deserves visibility.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I used it for its alliterative effect.

But if you want to think the worst of me it is beyond my capability to stop you.


And if the seminal poster or anybody can prove Hillary Clinton is paying folks to stir up shit on the internet I will cut off my, errrrr, ear, roast it, throw some Sriracha sauce on it, and eat it on you tube.

[merrily]

43. Of course you did. Kick!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. Please feel free to continue to besmirch my stellar reputation.

I expect nothing less from you and your associates.

[merrily]

158. LOL! Spotless! You're really on a roll today.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

178. Ecclesiastes 7:1

A good reputation is more valuable than costly perfume.


Ecclesiastes 7:1

[merrily]

308. I never doubted that. The open issue is who has one and who does not.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:32 King James Version

[cui bono]

271. Your conceit just tarnished you. Your reputation is no longer stellar.

[ismnotwasm]

57. Well. You know.

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[passiveporcupine]

105. Alliterative effect?

Senator Sanders is also alliterative, but not demeaning. But then, what fun is that?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Doesn't have the same alliterative effect.

http://examples.yourdictionary.com/alliteration-examples.html

[passiveporcupine]

123. What would you do without your dictionary and thesaurus?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. No need for one...I pulled a 740 on the Verbal portion of the GRE.

Not bad for a kid whose old man dropped out of school in the ninth grade and whose mom was a bookkeeper.

[passiveporcupine]

131. This is the first time I've seen you write a sentence

that sounds like it comes from a human being instead of a computer. I was beginning to wonder.

Just kidding. But, you really don't need to prove your vocabulary skills with everything you say. It just sounds so stilted and contrived. I guess if you like "your style" that is all that matters.

And, I do applaud you for staying in school. I'm the first one in my family to get a college degree. I am a bit confused about "and whose mom was a bookkeeper"...are you saying accountants don't know how to use vocabulary or are uneducated or something?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. No

My mom was a bookkeeper. She was in "Rapid Advance" and graduated from high school at fifteen years old. She was much smarter than me... However it was a different era and she had to get a job, at fifteen, to help support her widowed mom and younger brother.

BTW, my gf is a senior accountant...She is much smarter than me too, just not as loquacious.

[passiveporcupine]

140. Good for your Mom.

My mom has a wicked wit (not mean...just sharp and funny). I wish I'd gotten that from her. I'm slow and methodical, but I am also tenacious and do careful, detailed and accurate work. Mom doesn't have my skills/traits. I guess we all have our place, and hopefully fill a need.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

141. I always felt bad for because she was clearly smart enough to go to college and beyond....

I always felt bad for her because she was clearly smart enough to go to college and beyond but never had the opportunity...It is from her that I got my love of politics. She cast her last vote for Hillary in the 08 Florida primary. Since she was a stalwart Democrat I am sure she would have voted for Obama had she lived.

[passiveporcupine]

145. I'm sorry you lost your mom so young.

I'm just now losing my mom (she's in hospice) and I'm going to be 66 this month. Mom will turn 89 in December, if she lives that long. It's not looking like it. I'm pretty sure you are a lot younger than I am. It's great that you got to know her and appreciate her intelligence, and that she influenced your love of knowledge.

[bvar22]

208. And yet, here you are...

wasting almost everyday posting BS to DU.
Is THAT all you could do with a 740 Verbal on the GRE?

You don't have the verbal or social skills to convert a single Bernie supporter here.
About the best you have done is drive people AWAY from Hillary with your transparent spamming of threads.

Good Job!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

209. That's where you are mistaken

You don't have the verbal or social skills to convert a single Bernie supporter here.

I am not here to persuade people but I do notice my fan club is swelling. I must be doing something right.

[stonecutter357]

275. +1

[merrily]

320. That's all?

[progressoid]

118. alliterative effect!

Sure. And while were at it lets call the President "Black Barack" for alliterative effect too.

[Divernan]

277. Bazinga!

[Jim Lane]

181. So if someone called him "the septuagenarian Semitic Senator" that would be even better?

I mean, it wouldn't be religious bigotry or anything, oh no, it's just a descriptor, chosen for its literary value.

Don't insult our intelligence. If you want to make the case that Sanders, who would be the oldest President ever (measuring age at first inauguration), is too old to do the job well, then say so expressly and make your argument. Just bear in mind that Clinton, if inaugurated, will be the second-oldest ever, less than a year younger than Reagan was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

183. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye...

So if someone called him "the septuagenarian Semitic Senator" that would be even better?


- Jim Lane

You added the "Semitic" remark, not me...There is a point where one goes from being funny to being mean and you crossed it...If someone went there I would recommend he or she be PPRed.

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

-Matthew 7:3

[Jim Lane]

210. Let me try to explain the logic to you

Your defense against the charge of bigotry was to point out (correctly) that your statement was both descriptive and alliterative. The implicit premise of your post was: "If a characterization of a candidate is both descriptive and alliterative, then it can't possibly be bigotry."

I provided a counterexample:
1. If DemocratSinceBirth's argument were sound, then a descriptive, alliterative reference would never be bigotry.
2. The example I gave is a descriptive, alliterative reference but it is bigotry.
3. Therefore, DemocratSinceBirth's argument is not sound.

The argument form is known as modus tollens if you want to read up on it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

213. And let me try to explain obscurantism to you.

ob·scu·rant·ism
əbˈskyo͝orənˌtizəm,äb-,ˌäbskyəˈran-/Submit
noun
the practice of deliberately preventing the facts or full details of something from becoming known.

I used alliterative effect to have fun with the senator's age. If you believe using his religion, especially using Semitic in lieu of Jewish, is tantamount to using a big word for his age there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[Jim Lane]

234. You have BRILLIANTLY refuted the argument I did not make.

If I could magically change one thing about DU, it wouldn't be people getting too strident in support of or opposition to a particular candidate -- it would be the straw-man arguments.

[PatrickforO]

269. Whoa...cool! if a septuagenarian Semitic Senator picked a peck of pickled peppers, how

many pickled peppers did the septuagenarian Semitic Senator pick?

[Jim Lane]

313. I couldn't count the peppers. I had to watch the wood that the woodchuck was chucking. (n/t)

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

189. I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans

and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

194. Three points, Mr. Dump, and a question.

I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans. and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'.

1) I wear very calumny foisted on me by a Sanders supporter like a medal.
2) I have said, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, I am white...It's an accident of birth over which I have no control.
3) Since we have established I am not masquerading as an African American which members of this board are you referring to?
4) I bet my ear you won't name them.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

196. Your English comprehension is questionable.

I'm quite tired of straw men of any color.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

197. So you got nothing, figures!

Dispassionate observers can read your calumny/calumnies and my response.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

199. They will see I made no accusations. You are being silly. They will see that too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

203. They will see you were tossing around calumnies...

They will see you were tossing around calumnies the way one tosses fertilizer on a dying lawn and when challenged to provide evidence for your calumnies you tried to change the topic...

I hear she also pays people to pose as African Americans. and call Bernie Sanders a racist at every opportunity. Just sayin'.

-Elmer S. E. Dump

Please name them.

Thank you in advance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

207. I literally couldn't care less what you and your associates think of me.

PEACE
DSB

[bravenak]

221. I saw someone pretending to be black. I spoke out immediately. It was not a Hillary fan.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

226. Two points.

1) I am not surprised
2) That is so messed up.

[bravenak]

227. Funniest thing about it?

She loves Dressage Horses just like Mitt Romney's wife. I thought that was interesting. There was an article about her in the Tribune, how she lived her whole life until 50 without knowing she had that drop of black from 1850. Blond, blue eyes (or green), pake skin, both parents and all family white, but somehow on DU she get to be black on order to outblack black folks and play oppression olympics. She was put on to harass me by a very Prominent poster whose lies and deception made me lose all respect for her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

229. Please elaborate in private...

Sis, I have said a zillion times I am white... I don't want to mislead anybody but I will say most of my cultural references and personal heroes are black like Malcolm, Dr. King, and the Greatest Of All Time. Muhammad Ali.

[bravenak]

231. I will. Check your pm in a few.

[1StrongBlackMan]

237. LOL ...

I hear tell, I'm one!

Where's my damned check?!?

But I can say with certainty, at least one "black" poster just found out she is "Black" after decades of not knowing.



I wonder if she is being paid?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

242. It seemed to me the clear implication was that I was trying to masquerade as black.

And then he takes umbrage when I deign to defend myself !!!


This board is odd some times...

[PatrickforO]

270. A couple of posters here come to mind, unfortunately.

[merrily]

310. Riiiight.

Gee, hard to imagine anything more meaningful than a message board promise conditioned upon things not likely to happen? Once again, you've impressed the hell out of this DUer with your zero bs posts!

[A Simple Game]

121. I got a kick out of your description in post number 5 about your reaction to thinking about

Hillary's butt. Very descriptive.

[JDPriestly]

180. I'm septuagenarian and I'm proud.

Proud to be a septuagenarian, and proud Bernie is a vibrant, brilliant septuagenarian who has a lot of experience in life.

Live and learn.

The more you have lived, the more opportunity you have had to learn.

My quibble with Obama was that he had so little experience. I was right to think that would be a problem. It has been. He has good intentions, but at times he has lacked the experience especially with the Republicans to achieve what he wanted to do.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. :-D

[Fuddnik]

48. You're doing that wrong.

You should post only this.

[merrily]

54. ok

[BrainDrain]

47. ohhhhhhhhhhhh..

the ole' "inevitable" routine....nifty....


Sorry...didn't work last time either.....


BERNIE!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Bernie has of much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary as I have of wresting the...

Bernie has of much chance of wresting the nomination from Hillary as I have of wresting the Mr. Olympia title from Phil Heath.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

198. Boy, the article in the op was right on!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

201. I literally couldn't care less what you and your associates think of me.

EOM

[DaveT]

84. More Unstoppable?

Minor quibble on using a comparative with an absolute.

Major disagreement about "unstoppable." That is just preposterous, and of a piece with the entire Hillary Clinton appeal -- vote for me because I am going to win. If people start thinking she might not win, she goes into free fall, as you saw all summer long. Luckily for Hillary she had two good TV appearances last month -- making her partisan advocates pretend with just a tad too much vehemence that She Is Unstoppable.

Fascinating scenario -- if Hillary loses the argument that she is unstoppable, she is stopped for good. Shout it a little louder. OOOOOOPS -- l said shout. You all know what using that word makes me . . . .


Whatever.


We'll see after they count the votes, won't we?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. I am so confident of my assertion that I would literally bet my life on it...

I am so confident of my assertion that I would literally bet my life on it, which suggests I would bet a lot less.

[DaveT]

89. That is not a persuasive answer

In fact it is proof of my argument about you. You are not saying that you think she will win because you think she will win. You are trying to make other people believe it, because if they don't, she won't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. Au contraire...

I know she will win and I am willing to wager she will...

For instance when Floyd Mayweather fought Andre Berto I knew he would would win and would have wagered he would win.

Mutually exclusive phenomenons.

[DaveT]

314. You must be hell in Vegas

Who's gonna win the Oscar for best Sound Technician next year?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

317. Floyd was something like a 1-30 favorite. Berto was like a 60-1 dog...

One need not be Teddy Atlas or Jim Lampley to pick the winner.

Same here...

[KingCharlemagne]

331. Blatant mis-use of 'literally.' I would think twice before touting my

Verbal GRE score, were I you.

While I don't remember the number, I scored in the 99th percentile on the verbal portion of the GRE in 1986.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

332. If someone were to bet the appropriate sum I would literally bet my life on Hillary.

Blatant mis-use of 'literally.' I would think twice before touting my

Verbal GRE score, were I you.

If someone were to bet the appropriate sum I would literally bet my life on Hillary.

Nobody gets out of earth alive, literally.

I am literally watching the Chicago Bulls play the Minnesota Timberwolves on NBA League Pass. At 4:24 P.M. PST the Bulls are liteally winning 60-58.


4:28, now it's literally tied at 60-60.

4:31, still literally tied at 62-62...

The Twolves are hanging around, albeit not literally...

[blackspade]

120. Bait....

[Unknown Beatle]

241. The truth is not a smear nor an attack.

The truth stands on its own regardless of the lies thrown at it. Those who refuse to acknowledge the truth are part of the problem.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

244. Take my challenge

The truth is not a smear nor an attack.
The truth stands on its own regardless of the lies thrown at it. Those who refuse to acknowledge the truth are part of the problem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251775947


I will DOUBLE it just for you!!!

[merrily]

6. Seriously, be honest, was there ever any doubt in your mind?

Great find, Le Taz Hot.

[snooper2]

74. I find it so amazing that people just believe whatever they find on the intertubes

GREAT FIND WOO HOO! LOL


seriously?

[merrily]

156. See Reply 154 snooper2. And given the posts on this board we've been reading for a long, long

time, it's totes plausible.

But, hey, we just may have to agree to disagree on this. What a shock we're not on the same page on this one, eh? Whodda thunk it?

I'll try to get over it. You?

[hifiguy]

85. To borrow a title from the great

Elvis Costello, less than zero. Much less than zero. This 'splains a lotta thins, Lucy.

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

[merrily]

309. Desi Arnaz was deep, though probably not as deep as Ricky Ricardo.

Ricky had writers--and alliteration!

[passiveporcupine]

109. I think we need to remember this when we respond to some members here

They are paid by post, so everytime we reply to them and they reply back to us, we might be boosting their income.

Ignore!

[hifiguy]

122. That a number are is more obvious than

a grizzly bear in a phone booth.

Put them on ignore or refuse to rise to their bait.

[merrily]

153. Yes, but if it's only $100 a week, I would see it as my duty to help them up their income.

[Jim Lane]

185. Also, it would drain money from the Clinton campaign or her dark-money SuperPAC. (n/t)

[merrily]

193. Meh. Drop in the bucket. I want to help my fellow DUers earn their weekly C note out of altruism.

If they need it badly enough to sell their souls and sell out the rest of us for it, this bleeding heart progressive populist wants to pitch in.

[Demeter]

287. You are too kind...I'd tell them to get a real job that produced something of value

even if it were only fast food.

[Zorra]

295. It's just simple common sense.

Logic and reason dictate that oligarchs will use every propaganda vehicle available to maintain and further their control of governments, media, and their labor supply.

For the oligarchs, convincing people to vote against their own interests, and to vote in the interests of oligarchy, is crucial to maintaining a stable, docile labor herd and bring in a steady flow of exponential profit for the ruling oligarchy.

Maintaining the illusion of democracy is necessary for preventing revolution. If the rest of the populace ever figured out what Bernie supporters already know, oligarchs would be fleeing for the safest bunkers available.

If it quacks like a duck, and it appears to you to be a duck, it probably is a duck.

[merrily]

307. Yes. And it doesn't matter if the reddit duck was a duck or a genius Bernie supporter from the jump.

We know ducks exist and we know they quack on message boards.

[Zorra]

311. Yes. Just look at how many gullible people Faux News gets to vote

against their own interests.

Of course unscrupulous conservatives like Murdoch will pay people to post on message boards. They have all the money in the world, and spending a few pennies hiring people to post on message boards is just that much more of getting their means of control out there.

[merrily]

312. Not only Faux News!

Every politician has posters. So do the DNC and the RNC. This is a very high stakes game, involving a lot of money and a lot of power. Paying some posters a dollar a post or whatever is a drop in the bucket.

[BuelahWitch]

319. No, not at all

Isn't there proof that she bought "clicks" for her Facebook and Twitter sites? Why is this such a stretch?

[procon]

9. Um... your source

is a forum comment listed under "conspiracy"?

I know, of course, if its on the Internet, then it must be true, but I just can't make my poor mouse click to read one more screed from yet another nameless apparatchik.

[merrily]

44. Nameles, like the people on this thread? Including you?

[procon]

56. Exactly so.

It's a forum, yeah?

[99Forever]

103. A perfect description of your reply.

[Plucketeer]

107. Why DO I waste my hours here?

I say that cause if it's on the internet, it must NOT be true!

[JaneyVee]

10. You can ALWAYS trust anonymous internet posters at Reddit.

That's the website with sub forums dedicated on how to rape women, right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. That's the website with sub forums dedicated on how to rape women, right?

Why am I not surprised?

[JaneyVee]

20. Yup, that's the one...

http://m.cosmopolitan.com.au/health-lifestyle/lifestyle/2014/10/reddit-pro-rape-message-board/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Very disturbing...

Anonymity is not always a virtue.

[Jim Lane]

192. Well, I agree with you there! -- Your friend, Jim (n/t)

[sheshe2]

243. OMG.

This is their source now? Rape supporters.

Holy~

Reddit took the Hillary Shill thread down. They took it down because the poster would not corroborate their story.

On Democratic underground it stays at the top of the page. Unsupported data, yet thoroughly reced.

[ismnotwasm]

24. Yes-Reddit has such a STELLAR reputation

Well actually, it has a reputation as a psycho misogynists haven, amoung other psycho types--which reminds me, my new favorite exercise song is called "Psycho" by Muse --such a sexy bass, such disturbing lyrics..

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. The more I read about that site the more disturbed I become.

EOM

[ismnotwasm]

32. That's the usual, and may I say, respectable response

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[WaitWut]

77. Reddit is what it is...

Take the source with a grain of salt, but there are a lot of quite informative subs there as well. I for one have found very reliable sources on all sorts of subjects.

The /r/sandersforpresident subreddit just gave $400,000 to the Bernie Sanders campaign.

But like any open forum with an extremely large user base, there will be things that are offensive. My advice is to just move on to the next one.

[NJCher]

225. $400k

The /r/sandersforpresident subreddit just gave $400,000 to the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Now that is freaking impressive.


Cher

[Fuddnik]

51. !

[ibegurpard]

16. Yeah and all the ant-Hillary shit

Are right wing trolls right? You believe someone's involved in this but not Hillary? Get real.

[JaneyVee]

23. The fact that you believe a candidate up +30 would even bother...

Is crazy. The sub forum is filed under 'conspiracy'. She has an actual army of volunteers.

[Fawke Em]

64. She was falling rapidly when this poster said

they started going negative, though.

[RoccoR5955]

174. It's how they stay up in the polls

If the truth were out there, the candidate would be way down.

[jfern]

264. Yes, her support is a mile wide and inch deep

If she isn't demonizing Bernie and his supporters, she's toast.

[Fuddnik]

50. !

[1StrongBlackMan]

137. Before today, I'd never been to Rebbit ...

but a quick use of its search function, I'd say there are far more anti-HRCer than pro-HRCers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=hillary+clinton

So that doesn't lend much credibility to the veracity of the OP.

[artislife]

169. But they are really for O'Malley. .

You gotta trust them.

[CoffeeCat]

250. Reddit has always been staunchly pro Bernie

During the summer there were several thousand Sanders supporters on a Sanders group.

There were less than 50 on a Hillary group. My husband is a major IT geek (computer engineer) and he showed me the political discrepancy on Reddit between Clinton and Sanders.

By the summer, the minuscule number of Clinton supporters v Bernie supporters had become an Internet story.

It's interesting to note that Hillary had a very slight Reddit presence compared to Bernie's Reddit domination. If Hillary's presence has increased and is more vocal--that would certainly indicate a shift that may be part of a paid campaign.

Reddit has always had a large anti-Hillary/pro-Bernie presence and now--if there are more pro-Hillary voices--that's a red flag for shill activity. In particular, if those voices are furthering Hillary talking points and anti-Bernie memes--that's also an indicator that those posts are manufactured.

[brentspeak]

256. Yeah, I'm sure we can trust you. n/t

[merrily]

306. At DU as well! And, when they change their story, I believe both stories. Schrödinger!

[aspirant]

12. Very revealing

Only $100/ week for stirring shit, you need a union.

[merrily]

33. Yes, that's pathetic. Pay per post tends to result in

a lot of one and two line posts. Probably one or two line posts that look and feel like trolling. You know, like they do on all of MannyGoldstein's threads?

[BuelahWitch]

318. Well, it sounds like it would be a "work from home"

position, and it's difficult to find something like that that pays well. However, $100 a week is better than you'll get on Amazon Turk or even customer service (which often requires you to have an expensive fast cable connection and a separate phone line).

[polly7]

14. From what I've read here (and 'over there') so far ....... sounds about right. nt.

[JackInGreen]

82. It's the reading 'over there' that gives it any credence for me

Eom

[hifiguy]

148. Abso-freaking-lutely!

I've got a hundred bucks that THAT site is 100% funded out of HRH's deep well of dark Wall Street money.

[FlatBaroque]

170. Have you seen that pile of trash?

NO ONE is funding that thing.

[Aerows]

323. Talk about amateur hour

I'd almost believe it's a fake site designed to denigrate Hillary rather than support her.

It's been an absolute goldmine for flushing out bullshit, though, so I approve!

[ismnotwasm]

15. Yawn.

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[virtualobserver]

17. The foo shits

nice way to make a living......you can hire a lot of those at $100 a pop.

[NCTraveler]

18. Was this Sanders supporter paid to write this or was it out of the kindness of their heart. lol.

I plan on seeing a lot more of this from Sanders supporters as the primary goes on.

[yardwork]

19. I don't believe this. It's over the top and sounds absurd.

I know that there are plenty of Internet shills but this isn't one of them.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

21. Here's a comment from that link.

Apparently, it was REMOVED from the Bernie group there for having no proof. So, all we have is another bullshit conspiracy theory. Also, reading the comments on reddit makes one want to wash their eyes out with bleach.

Just to set the record straight....

The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign.

We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!"

Anyways. That's all. I've seen people suggest that we, the mods, are Hillary shills. This is false. We've been campaigning for Bernie since before Bernie even had a campaign. I wish I got paid for this work, though...

[JTFrog]

37. Don't go throwing facts into a perfectly delirious conspiracy theory.

It's all some folks have to cling to anymore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Facts...

Facts didn't stop the mob from making Socrates drink the hemlock, crucifying Jesus, and burning Joan Of Arc at the stake.

[KingCharlemagne]

333. Don't tout your expertise in Plato either. No one

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

'made' Socrates drink the hemlock. He chose to, at least as the story cones to us from Plato.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

334. I done found me a pedant.

Don't tout your expertise in Plato either. No on

'made' Socrates drink the hemlock. He chose to, at least as the story cones to us from Plato.

-King Charlemagne

What's a plebeian like I's to do.

lol

[eridani]

272. Makes sense. I was wondering if it had been vetted

Just because something is plausible doesn't mean that it's true.

[artislife]

274. Just wanted you to know

we are are swarm ignoring posters with certain siglines.

Buh bye!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

289. Cool story. nt

[Duval]

335. We'll get our rewards when he wins, Dr. Hobbitstein!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

336. Ok. nt

[pa28]

22. Deliberately calculated and inflammatory attacks using race and sex.

Claims of victimhood at the hands of the evil Berniebros.

Come to think of it that DOES sound familiar.

[merrily]

46. Why, yes, it does.

[elleng]

27. 'Clinton Sustains Huge Lead in Democratic Nomination Race.'

Nov 11-14, 2007 'In the national standings of the Democratic presidential candidates seeking their party's nomination next year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton continues to hold a strong 27-point lead over second-place rival Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, according to a new Gallup Poll. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards remains further behind in third place.

According to the Nov. 11-14, 2007, poll, 48% of Democrats say they are most likely to support Clinton for the party’s presidential nomination in 2008, followed by Obama at 21% and Edwards at 12%. No other candidate garners more than 4% support.'

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102799/clinton-sustains-huge-lead-democratic-nomination-race.aspx

GOT IT???

[deutsey]

96. That's very interesting...thanks for the reminder n/t

[UglyGreed]

28. Sounds familiar

Can't recall where I've seen that sort of stuff.....

[litlbilly]

31. I clicked to hide dantex and got hit with a malware alert, what's up with that?

[JTFrog]

35. Can shit get any stupider around here?

I think we are all watching rock bottom unfold.

The smell of desperation is thick in the air.

[Nitram]

102. Frog, enough with the queasy mixed metaphors already!

Watching rock bottom unfold? Sounds like something in the Escher universe.

[Romulox]

38. I've never seen more desperation from an "inevitable" candidate. Ever. nt

[merrily]

49. Her people learned the lessons of 2008 well and have had 8 years to prepare.

Bet they won't mess up with caucuses or "the Texas two step" again, either.

[misterhighwasted]

65. Aww C'mon. "Her people" learned it from "His people".

Thanks for sharing, bsanders people.

[SoapBox]

40. Whatever it is...

Believe this or not...there HAS been a change in her campaign tone...period.

And the change is with all these dishonest, skeezy attacks...it's like a whisper campaign and she has a track record of doing it...don't forget that "3AM phone call"!

Lately when she is asked, she smiles and shrugs her shoulders. Her silence is more of a YES than stating no (in a tv station interview about the sexist claims).

She/her campaign is not playing clean, already.

[Maineman]

71. I agree. There has been a change in the tone of her campaign.

It also seems clear that she REALLY REALLY wants to be the first woman president. From her militaristic positions in the past, for example her speech urging us to invade Iraq, we can tell that she is willing to be as aggressive and vicious as needed.

[arcane1]

87. It seemed to begin with that David Brock email about Venezuela, IIRC. n/t

[RiverLover]

41. Their "posting guidelines" aren't just familiar, they're in black & white in this forum.

Wow. That was a fascinating account, Le Taz, thanks so much for sharing it!

I loved their summation~

.......I had one of those "what are you doing with your life" moments. When even the scum of 4chan think that your candidate is too scummy for their tastes, you need to take a good hard look at your life. Then this morning I read that the National Association of Broadcasters were bankrolling both Clinton and Rubio, and that broke the camel's back. I emailed my resignation this morning.

I'm going to go all in for Bernie now, because I truly believe that the Democratic Party has lost its way, and that redemption can only come by standing for something right and not by compromising for false promises and fake ideals. I want to apologize to everyone here for my part in this nasty affair, and I hope you will be more aware of attempts to sway you away from supporting the only candidate that can bring us what we need.

[valerief]

45. We're familiar with all of the paid troll tactics used here on DU.

That's why some of us just ignore/trash the attack posts.

[retrowire]

52. Ohhh people will deny the existence of paid online informants...

But they're oh so true.

Sorry, it existed in the meatspace in the days of the civil rights movement, it clearly isn't a stretch of the imagination to understand that Hillary, a candidate whom paid for thousands of fake Twitter and Facebook followers, would spend the money to hire people in little computer banks to invade the web with trolls and false support.

Bernie on the other hand, aint got that kind of cash. The grassroots support for him, totally and 100% legit.

[arcane1]

92. She paid for fake followers as Secretary of State, using our money.

I certainly wouldn't put this past anyone associated with her campaign, and I'm 99% convinced it's happening, even here. That said, I'm taking this particular story with a grain of salt, since they offered no proof.

[merrily]

154. She was paying for internet fans during this campaign too.

But not posters, oh, no. Twitter and face book, but she'd never pay for posters. That would just be too different from the internet stuff they definitely did catch her paying for. It couldn't possibly be true.

[cantbeserious]

58. Riddle Me This - How Many HRC Agents Are Plying Their Trade On DU As Paid Disruptors

eom

[hifiguy]

129. Many.

And if the Sewer Site - which I want to make clear has nothing to do with DU, before someone accuses me if conflating the two - isn't bankrolled out of HRH's bottomless well of dark money I will eat my shoes.

[cantbeserious]

184. Very Good Insight - Would It Be Nice To Prove That Connection

eom

[merrily]

200. Crap like that is always difficult to impossible to prove.

That's why God gave us the ability to look at facts we can verify, make inferences and draw conclusions.

[nc4bo]

220. Calls to prove it's true are numerous. How about

Some calls to prove it is NOT true

Damn thing reads like a DU HRC playbook. Creepy similarities.

[Fawke Em]

59. Interesting..

K & R

[corkhead]

61. The trolls on this site are obvious and are what the "ignore" feature was designed for

They are intellectually dishonest and impossible to reason with. Ignoring them denies them the oxygen they need to survive in this environment.

Fortunately after primary season they will crawl back under the rocks they slithered out from for another 4 to 8 years and leave DU to the rest of us.

[Catherina]

72. +1000. I wish more people had your self discipline. n/t

[Trajan]

62. I've had a number of hides here, feeling that something was stinking up the place

I'm quite sure I have met some of them right here, but you didn't hear that from me ...

No sir ... I would never say such a thing around these here parts ...

[misterhighwasted]

63. reddit??

Meh

[Catherina]

66. No shit. It's so transparent. #2 Racism #4 Dirty Tactics

2) Racism. We were instructed to hammer home how Bernie supporters were all privileged white students that had no idea how the world worked. We had to tout Hillary's great record with "the blacks" (yes, that's the actual way it was phrased), and generally use racial identity politics to attack Sanders and bolster Hillary as the only unifying figure.

...

4) Dirty tactics. This is where things got really bad. We were instructed to create narratives of Clinton supporters as being victimized by Sanders supporters, even if they were entirely fabricated. There were different instructions about how to do it, but something like this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/31/1443064/-Dis-heartened-Hillary-Supporter) is a perfect example. These kind of posts are manufactured to divide and demoralize Sanders supporters, and are entirely artificial in nature. (The same thing happened in 2008, but it wasn't as noticeable before social media and public attention focused on popular forums like Reddit).

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

[cosmicone]

68. I spoke with

the veternarian's assistant of a cousin's father-in-law's housekeeper's aunt's poodle ...

What I learned was that Bernie's digital media specialists on reddit are all open, honest, ethical and would only post positive messages about Bernie and never anything negative about Hillary.

It may not be scientific but that is what makes it believable.

[GoneFishin]

69. Those wacky, delusional, disconnected from reality attacks never seemed organic to me. The never

smelled like people with sincere differences of opinion.

[Beartracks]

70. How does one find paid work as an Internet troll?

It's a fairly common claim to say that somebody is a paid internet troll, & I have no doubt there are lots of people who do get paid for that kind of stuff, but...do they answer want ads or what? Do they work from home (or their parents' basement)? How does this work?



And where can I sign up?

=================

[kristopher]

117. I see ads all the time in news story comments, so you might try there.

But you already have a job, no?

[Beartracks]

315. I was jesting. :)

I am fortunate to be gainfully employed. But I'm just curious how "paid Internet trolling" has become a thing, if it really has become a thing.

Anyhow, I thought most such ads as you mention were of this variety: "My friends can't believe how easy it is for me to earn $8,470 a week online! Click here to find out my secret!!!11!" Surely, trolling couldn't pay that much!

==================

[kristopher]

321. Would you expect companies that specialize in lying...

...to not lie when recruiting.

And for what it's worth, paid advocacy is probably one of the top issues with an anonymous internet. The opportunity exists and it is unquestionably being exploited.

One well documented example showing the state of the technology in 2009-10.

Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks


The original bid for the software is preserved here:
http://forums.officer.com/t160914/

You don't really think the military is ahead of the people who brought you the likes of climate change denial, do you? Or Wall Street?

[FlatBaroque]

327. here you go

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/signup/

[Beartracks]

341. lol

I should have seen that one coming!

==============

[DonCoquixote]

75. considering some of the people I read on here

I think we have people doing for free what this person was paid to do. Seriously, there are people here who have all the subtlety of Mao's red Guard.

[SoapBox]

76. This has spread like FIRE across Twitter and FB.

Just went through a very, very long list of the above that I occasionally check...it's everyplace.

And many comments, saying right or wrong, it sums up what many have seen coming from her campaign over the last few weeks...the racist card, the red card, the sexist card and other attacks I've probably missed.

Clean it up Hill campaign or you will just add to the voters that don't like her already.

[Persondem]

116. And it's garbage ... see posts #80 & #94 ..nt

[JTFrog]

78. A new low everyday.

Hey, some asshole on reddit made a bunch of shit up, reddit tries to distance themselves from it and yet it's dragged into DU like gospel. Reminds me a lot of Faux News and their audience. Anything to whip up the hate.

[Thinkingabout]

79. Pushing sexism, like forcing Sanders to say Secretary Clinton, all the shouting.....

interesting.

[Persondem]

80. The moderators removed the post because there was no proof that the person ever

worked for the Clinton campaign. From the comments section ...

"to set the record straight....
The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign.
We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!"..."

So until they get proof, this is just more unsubstantiated GARBAGE people are using to discredit Clinton.

[Tommy2Tone]

81. Sourcing an admitted shrill

and believing everything they say. Yea that's the ticket.

[tularetom]

88. There is no doubt in my mind every word is true but I don't get the impact

That kind of transparent bullshit is only effective on the stereotypical "low information" voter and as I've been told repeatedly by folks here on DU, low information voter is code for "white male hick who consistently votes against his self interest, because of innate bigotry".

The enlightened Democratic party could not possibly contain any of these pitiful creatures, so I'm curious as to whom the Clinton campaign is aiming these juvenile slurs.

[jhart3333]

95. Don't get the impact? Please see #76

Young people and the internet. That's what I'm talkin about! They know the bullshit when they see it and they aren't dependent on the MSM for their info.

ETA: We've also seen the impact of the "effort" here in very real terms with some longtime members bowing out and others flaming out.

[tularetom]

106. So? It will only backfire on Clinton's campaign and that ain't a bad thing

If young voters are smart enough to detect the bullshit in those posts, they will question everything that comes out of Clinton's mouth. Which is exactly wha they ought to be doing.

It will turn around and bit them in the b--t. (not sure if I'm permitted to write the actual word on DU anymore).

[jhart3333]

134. Young people aren't a given. They need some encouragement. Like this.

Butt. Okay I said it.

[demwing]

182. Ass?

Ass is ok.

[Android3.14]

90. I have a message for the paid shills on DU (and we all know who they are)

Go TOS yourselves.

[ChiciB1]

93. NICE Information... NICE Post!

I AM a true blue, very early on BERNIE SUPPORTER. Before I say any more I need to get back after I do some research.

BUT, thanks for lifting my spirits right now!

[Skinner]

94. So reliable it was deleted from the /r/SandersForPresident subreddit.

But good enough for DU!

[Le Taz Hot]

110. But everyone was having so much fun in GD-P

with this type of thing, I couldn't bear to be left out of all the fun.

[questionseverything]

147. reliable or not

we have evidence this kind of thing does happen, du has even had a member targeted, brad friedman

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8355

As noted, one of those they'd planned to target in hopes of discrediting in their nefarious scheme was yours truly, as well as my family, and VelvetRevolution.us, the non-profit, non-partisan organization co-founded by The BRAD BLOG. I was specifically targeted personally as the Chamber's first, "Tier 1" opponent in a Power Point presentation prepared for the nation's largest corporate lobby's law firm Hunton & Williams (H&W) by the three cyber-security/intelligence firms, HBGary Federal, Berico Technologies & Palantir Technologies. The triumvirate called themselves "Team Themis" in the plots developed for the U.S. Chamber to fraudulently discredit opponents and for a very similar scheme made for Bank of America to try and disrupt WikiLeaks.

So here are a few items following up on our previous report...

FARCing Aaron Barr: Marcy Wheeler picks up on the general leitmotif of my piece today, highlighting tools and techniques developed by the three Team Themis firms for use against terrorist networks, now turned against U.S. citizen political opponents of their corporate clients, the U.S. Chamber and BofA. Her piece offers real world details on how HBGary's CEO and Jackass-in-Chief, Aaron Barr, had previously used the very same social media analysis tools against FARC revolutionaries --- the same tools and techniques he'd hoped to employ against people like me --- and you.

////////////////////////////

[Cali_Democrat]

195. Here's a comment from reddit:

"Just to set the record straight....
The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign.
We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!"
Anyways. That's all. I've seen people suggest that we, the mods, are Hillary shills. This is false. We've been campaigning for Bernie since before Bernie even had a campaign. I wish I got paid for this work, though..."

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/cwqqfhu

[Aerows]

326. So are you saying that you personally believe that this does not go on?

Because considering the cash many firms rake in doing exactly this (and have for over a decade and a half), specializing in different tactics, and working for various industries, political campaigns and marketing pushes tells a different story.

You don't make money if what you are doing is ineffective.

I couldn't imagine doing something so soul-draining, cynical and deceptive, but plenty of folks are desperate enough to do so.

[Bubzer]

97. Bookmarked for later reading.

Thanks!

[RiverLover]

99. I wonder if they get paid more for OPs...

especially really really long ones....seems only fair.

[Bread and Circus]

100. That person reflects a lot of what we see here. A lot.

But I can't believe such a thing is real.

Campaigns really do this? Come on. That would be pretty low.

[hifiguy]

149. Google "dirty tricks" and "Nixon campaign 1972"

There are entire books full of the stunts that were pulled 43 years ago.

This is nothing but the high tech version of Tricky Dick's ratfkers.

[CoffeeCat]

248. This is so very common...

...in the PR world. Companies, organizations, celebrities and politicians hire PR firms to manage their reputations. Anyone hiring a PR firm to create a comprehensive strategy will no doubt include social media as part of that plan.

It is typical for PR firms to be paid to post on message boards, news-article comment sections, and in the client's social-media accounts. All of this is done to gin up a positive image and further the key messages that the client pays the firm to publicize.

BP used paid shills to quell hatred of the company and to stifle outrage about the Gulf War oil spill disaster.

PR firms don't publicize these practices, but they do happen. The Public Relations Scociety of America frowns upon these practices and considers them dishonest. PR firms have been admonished for these shady practices.

I work in PR for many years. I have friends who run agencies and work in-house for many companies.

[Bread and Circus]

249. Crazy. I doubt Hillary's campaign is doing this though.

[CoffeeCat]

252. I totally believe that Hillary's campaign would do this..,

It's common practice.

It's not like someone is suggesting that Hillary hired a hit man.

The suggestion is that she hired a PR firm to manage the social-media aspects of her campaign. Not a stretch in the slightest.

Furthermore, you've got a PR strategist giving a detailed account, which sounds very credible and describes what happens in the PR world everyday.

This is no different that Nestle or Coke paying PR firms to manage social media for them and write positive posts about their products.

Happens daily. All over the globe!

[Progressive dog]

101. I like the part where Trump

supporters talk well about Bernie. Does the shill think Trump is a Democrat? (rhetorical question).

[merrily]

214. No. Guess you missed the point.

[Progressive dog]

280. I couldn't have missed a point from

such a credible source.
It would be even more credible if the poster had put some fake documents up with it. LOL

[merrily]

304. Sure you could. You don't have enough faith in yourself!

[in_cog_ni_to]

104. There's a boatload of those here. We all know who they are. The usual suspects.

If you think you know who they are, you're probably right.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[AzDar]

108. Fucking gross, but not really surprising. Hillary will do or say ANYTHING to win.

Again and again and again, I ask: HOW CAN ANYONE TRUST HER?

[rhett o rick]

113. I don't think it's a case of trust as much as being a follower of tough authoritarian leadership.

Some people like to side with the biggest bully because it makes them feel safer. Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires are the biggest bullies. The followers don't care what her stands are as long as she is tough.

[99Forever]

114. Seems totally in character with Clinton campaign style.

Do or say ANYTHING to gain or keep power.

[Dustlawyer]

119. If your post is true, thanks for coming clean and I wish you luck!

I am not naive enough to think in black and white terms that all supporting one side are bad and the other side is clean as a whistle. It doesn't change the fact that Bernie is the only one going after the oligarchy that currently controls our government.

Whatever any other supporters do or say doesn't change this fact for me. I will continue to add my two cents to support Bernie because I believe in him. When I see things like the supposed "Big" fine BP got in their deal with the Feds, only to learn that they get to deduct most of it from taxes (we foot the bill), I am sickened at what America has become. The government would not even require BP to resolve all of the claims first so BP can continue to string out the utter corrupt settlement (joke) process, five and a half years and counting.

Hillary stands for this type of system, she has worked her whole career in it. Say what you want, Hillary will do her part for the Plutocracy and her fundraising supports that! I do not wish to live under corporate rule any longer!

Feel the Bern!

[Tarc]

126. From Reddit? The same forum that hosts gamergate, jailbait, and other sundry sub-fora?

Yea, this is full-on 100% horseshit.

[NCTraveler]

127. Not the first time we have seen this persons writings.

Very popular here right up until the were tombstone as a troll.

[1StrongBlackMan]

128. This MUST be true ... It's posted to the internet. n/t

[NCTraveler]

130. This reminds me of the Sanders supporter who proudly proclaimed....

after being embarrassingly wrong "I relied on google." The best part is that it was in the middle of one of their anti-corporate screeds.

[Indepatriot]

132. I'm shocked! Shocked that a person of

Hillary's integrity would employ such tactics in the pursuit of serving the working class...

[Metric System]

135. I'm still waiting for my cheque. In the meantime, I would give this more credence if the person

stepped from behind the keyboard. Otherwise I call BS, in more ways than one.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

142. Checks went out yesterday...

I got mine today.

[demmiblue]

136. Quelle surprise! n/t

[Pathwalker]

139. Lincoln was right about some people.

n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

143. "Eerily familiar"

Yes, I've seen some of that eerily family stuff. Usually daily.

I pay it no attention.

However, charges that Bernie is racist, misogynist or unelectable, in addition to being untrue, do neither Mrs. Clinton nor her organization any good. Even if those paying the trolls are unaffiliated with Mrs. Clinton's campaign organization, it casts doubt on her credibility as a candidate, and she doesn't need anybody who supposedly thinks she'll make a good president casting more doubt on her credibility. Whether you like it or not, that's a problem she had long before Bernie announced his own candidacy and isn't going away anytime soon.

[Kentonio]

276. The thing is Jack..

It really does do her good. The idea is to constantly drip feed the suggestion into the ears of people who don't care enough to actually look closely. Unfortunately that is a majority of the voting public. If the campaign is successful then if you ask those people if they know who Bernie Sanders is, you'll get a reply like 'Isn't he the sexist/racist guy who said the bad stuff about Hillary?'. They won't stop to question where that information came from, it just becomes one of those things people 'know' and then its a PITA to try and change that impression.

The best way to counter it is just to increase visibility of Sanders wherever you can, and keep building a positive vibe around the guy. That and continuing to directly counter any accusations of course.

[renate]

144. how do we know this isn't a GOP-paid poster, trying to divide and conquer

I support Bernie but I have a hard time believing that Hillary's campaign would be this shitty. Characterizing him as someone who believed women enjoyed being gang raped? That sounds JUST like the GOP's wild-eyed idea of character assassination.

[AgingAmerican]

146. Because the GOP fear him more than Hillary does

nt

[Puglover]

157. I'm not sure "dividing"

is necessary on DU ATM.

[MisterP]

177. this was from May--which actually lines up with the chronology the person saying

they're a paid troll has given

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained

[renate]

224. well, now I feel bad for assuming that reference was complete BS

It just sounded so un-Bernie-like.

And so does the essay at that link. He wasn't being anti-feminist at all, of course (it's Bernie!) but it's just such a weird essay for anybody in the public eye to write... but I guess nobody in 1972 could ever have dreamed of the Internet.

Thanks for getting my dander down

[MisterP]

228. these delicate flowers wouldn't last five minutes on FanFiction.net

[Aerows]

322. LOL!

I have some works there, myself, and you are quite correct!

You can find them under my name.

[MineralMan]

150. /r/conspiracy....now there's a reliable source for sure...

I'm sorry, but this really sounds bogus to me. I understand it was pulled from a more legitimate reddit board

I'm not buying it.

[Capt. Obvious]

160. Well

if you click on the link it lists the original source as /r/SandersForPresident

[MineralMan]

162. It was quickly deleted there because it had no identifiable source.

Anyone can post anywhere. Reliable sites get rid of crap as soon as they find it. /r/conspiracy leaves it to stink the place up. It's a repository for crap from just about any source. Any crap is OK to leave there for people to step on and get it on their shoe.

[Enthusiast]

151. I knew it.

[Bernblu]

152. I suspect that many of the Hillary supporters on DU and Daily Kos are paid trolls

[NurseJackie]

155. Or maybe they're paid Bernie trolls who are instructed to appear to be paid Hillary trolls, but to

be really bad at it so that everyone thinks the Hillary trolls are awful and the other paid Hillary trolls who are pretending to be Bernie trolls will not be noticed because all the attention is on the double-double-reverse Bernie-Hillary-Bernie trolls.

[WillyT]

159. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[MineralMan]

163. Frankly, the number of recs on this thread is

a stain on DU's reputation for valid information. Embarrassing, to say the least.

[sufrommich]

171. Some people have broken bullshit detectors.

And some know it's bullshit but push it anyway.

[lonestarnot]

283. Broken bullshit detector! Ohs noooooooooooooosssss!

[JDPriestly]

164. This struck me as particularly interesting:

I had one of those "what are you doing with your life" moments. When even the scum of 4chan think that your candidate is too scummy for their tastes, you need to take a good hard look at your life. Then this morning I read that the National Association of Broadcasters were bankrolling both Clinton and Rubio, and that broke the camel's back. I emailed my resignation this morning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

Do you think maybe we have a couple of these paid Hillary trolls on DU?

I'm asking.

The snarky posts? The DUers who don't seem interested in real communication? I wonder sometimes when I can't get a straight answer from people about what they think and why. Makes me wonder whether maybe some people just haven't thought things through or whether they are paid per post or per hour.

I really like to know what people are thinking about the issues. But some of the DUers don't really seem to want to talk issues.

[Historic NY]

165. Well if he is a former employee why is he still posting to twitter.....

I think I better advise him.

[MineralMan]

166. I went to the link in the OP.

Now, there's some nasty smelling stuff on my shoe. I tried scraping it of with a stick from my yard, but it still smells like dog droppings.

Does anyone have any hints for removing sticky, smelly stuff from shoe soles? I don't want to touch it, of course.

[Historic NY]

167. I'm PM'd the twitter user...

sammichbitch was the Reddit poster....

[MineralMan]

168. I have no idea what you just said.

You are PM'd, the twitter user? Was the twitter user you? Did you forget the comma? Or did you mean something else? Please clarify, so I'll understand what you are trying to say.

[Historic NY]

172. Private messaged the twitter user that is the alleged shill.......

according to what the op posted.

[beerandjesus]

175. What strikes me about this thread is how quick the Hillary crowd is to trash Reddit.

Everyone knows there's a lot of bullshit there--in that respect, it's just like the rest of the internet.

But one thing is for damn-fucking-sure: People who hang out on Reddit are, on average, of a MUCH younger demographic than Hillary and her supporters. In other words, you'd think that if all this hand-wringing about party building were serious, they might not be quite so quick to dismiss something out of hand SOLELY because it's on Reddit.

In other words, they might think that it would be stupid to be so brazenly dismissive of Millennials. But no, once again, Hillary and her peeps know whose shoulders the future of the party rests on: the BOOMERS!


(But don't worry, they'll remember Millennials when they need someone to blame for the NEXT round of election losses.)

[Autumn]

176. Now I see.

Here's a rec for, as our sid would say "pissing off the right people"

[Blue_In_AK]

179. I have no idea if this is true or not,

but we do see similar tactics being used around here by the same people over and over. I'll leave it at that.

[Aerows]

215. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck

and quacks like a duck ...

I'm sure you know where I going with this analogy.

How are things up in the winter on the platform? I hope they have been kind.

[chknltl]

187. Did anyone get his DU/Discussionist name?

That is presuming he posted here or there. I would like to see if he made my ignore list.

[marym625]

188. K&R!

[mhatrw]

190. To everybody still drawing a paycheck.

Great job, team! Morale is at all-time high. Chocolate rations have just been increased!

[Maven]

191. /r/SandersForPresident deleted this because they couldn't verify the identity of the source

So unless you can provide proof this person is who he/she says, I hope you'll be deleting this post.

[MyNameGoesHere]

204. Thank god this was Reddit

because I have to believe it now.

[PatrynXX]

206. I still remember ol Betty White's response to this

a question was asked (because of Hillary) Does she think Obama is Sexist. She answered. Is Obama Sexy? Oh yes, thats one hunk of man there.


Thanks to Betty I remember this old attack line.

[jhart3333]

212. Kickin it. I already recced.

I'm just getting up to speed here.

[whereisjustice]

216. Conservative dirt bags are just following their lead - poison Democrats in order to make themselves

look more electable to the cherished and loving right wing nut jobs in both parties.

Hillary WILL lead this way from the White House. Nasty, right wing politics favoring the rich and fucking over working families.

And she WILL be sending your job to Asia.

Birds of a feather...

[whereisjustice]

217. & women who falsely accuse men of bad sexual behavior/ethics will set us back 50 years....

And make us all pay the for their patented stupidity.

Everywhere Hillary goes she leaves a trail of wreckage behind her.

She's not worth it. No one is.

[kjones]

268. Gotta get that dig in there don't ya!

[whereisjustice]

305. Her imaginary Grandparents would say they raised her better. Her real ones? Who knows.

[MohRokTah]

218. Wow, 160 Recs over something removed from the source because it was unsubstantiated.

Man, how embarrassing for the OP.

[artislife]

219. The fact that it doesn't seem far fetched us enough for me

Oh..Poor h supporters. .not liking being accused of false allegations or shall I say unsubstantiated ones. Hurst when the shoe is thrown back, I guess.

Lolz..

[Le Taz Hot]

235. Congratulations!

That was my entire purpose in submitting this Thread -- just throwing the shoe back at them.

[artislife]

259. Love ya Le Taz Hot!

[artislife]

260. I shouldn't post using my phone...heh

typos all around...well...

[pnwmom]

223. This anonymous confession belongs in the old True Confessions magazine. It has as much credibility.

See post 80 and 94. This "confession" has been deleted from the reddit thread because the poster couldn't establish his connection with the Hillary campaign.

[PatrickforO]

236. Some very interesting comments in this thread, Le Taz.

As you may know, I've been a staunch Bernie supporter from the get-go because the guy is telling the truth, he is talking about issues I care about, and offers solutions with which I agree. In addition, he isn't taking money from Super PACs and he's been pretty frugal with his campaign spending. Yet he has a growing number of committed supporters, myself included.

I really hate to say this, but when I read the expose in your OP and the entire confession, my reaction was not disbelief. And I DO hate that my reaction was not disbelief. I very much want to believe Clinton would not, herself, advocate anything like this. However she's an experienced campaigner and will pull up the smallest things for the most miniscule advantage. So do I think Hillary is PERSONALLY involved in this, or even knows about it? I cannot answer with an unequivocal 'no.' I just can't. I worked for Obama in 2008 and I know how dirty it got.

Back then, it was never Hillary - it was her surrogates. Did she know what they were going to say? Again I cannot unequivocally answer 'no.'

And the Super PACs? They will do anything. Remember their money comes from the immoral capitalist parasites we call 'billionaires.' These are the scum who allow people to die just for the sake of a little more profit. They are amoral; they will do anything they think necessary to eke out that uttermost farthing from people like us.

Last, I think of my experience on here. There are about ten people who post regularly on here that I have suspected are trolls, paid per post to hijack threads, argue until people get tired and discouraged and give up.

So, thanks for bringing this out in the open.

[virtualobserver]

238. when you see coordinated talking points

and never a hint of real discussion it is hard to keep from being suspicious.

For me it was the dog-whistle racism from Hillary 2008 ..........once I saw that I knew that they could never be trusted.

[m-lekktor]

247. yes it was interesting to see how frantically unhinged this post made some people.

I wouldn't find it shocking that this sort of thing goes on whether this is legit or not so i was not gasping in disbelief when i read this. I already think so low of Hillary Clinton and the type of people she surrounds herself with so this sort of thing just makes me shrug. Anyway it's interesting to see the folks trying to hysterically shame people for "liking" or giving this thread credence. I have seen much more bat shit insane themed threads supported and 'liked' by the clique that is freaking out over this one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

246. Res ipsa loquitur

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251775947

[Uncle Joe]

251. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread, Le Taz Hot.

[NuclearDem]

253. 172 people have lost any standing to call anyone else a sucker.

[Pryderi]

255. This forum is littered with them tonight.

[Hydra]

257. Wow, I see all the usual suspects in this thread picking up paycheck posts

I knew this was going on though- and out of curiosity I tested it with one of our lively pbp guests. S/he did not disappoint.

Keep it up Team Hillary! You may make that $100 per week...you're not changing any minds here though.

[sheshe2]

258. You may want to read the thread, Hydra.

Reddit deleted the post. No verification of fact and it was deleted.

Keep it up team Bernie.

[Hydra]

261. A person's identity does not have to be revealed for facts to be passed on

Ask Woodward and Bernstein. Besides, everyone knows what's going on here- it's practically on cue cards for everyone to see.

[Divernan]

278. Aren't they cute when they bounce off each other's posts?

[Hydra]

303. Ya, I'm curious if they get paid less for those

Or if they argue that those reinforcement posts are more powerful? Either way, $100 a week is pretty ungenerous wage for working for the Ministry of Truth.

[jfern]

262. This is a pure hate campaign, and should be treated as such

[Matariki]

265. Well this should be intrestng

[LovingA2andMI]

267. Why Am I Not SURPRISED.

At least Independent Underground News & Talk are not paid by the Sanders Campaign to be Bernie Supporters. We just support Bernie, no pay required, hands down!!!

[eridani]

273. Plausible doesn't necessarily equate to true. The question I have is "Why is it plausible at all?"

One reason is that Clinton has already had documented paid Twitter and Facebook friends. Ditto the State Department. Another is that at least one "special" site exists to coordinate trashing of Sanders supporters on DU. No one would give the OP the time of day without this prior history.

The specific tactics do seem way over the top. Not sure I believe them without further proof.

Meanwhile Sandernistas don't need to congregate onspecial trashing sites, and we don't need hashtags like #Hillarysoblack.

[seaglass]

279. Ugh this thread does not look good for Bernie supporters on DU. Very gullible, CT-ish, forming

opinions without facts - are these common traits with Bernie supporters across his base or just on DU? Yikes.

[Progressive dog]

281. Double agent shill?

The story is so bad, it's the only explanation that makes sense.

[raouldukelives]

282. The 50 cent army comes home.

I hope, if these sorts of allegations are true, more people will awaken and start to take the mantle of democracy, that so many fought and died for, seriously.

We will have the best future we create. Those in the service of those resisting change are no friends of any of the disadvantaged, of any form of democracy, anywhere, in the world.

[Cal33]

294. Thanks to Le Taz Hot for getting out and telling us about what's going on when it's

relatively early in the game, and we still have enough time.

[99Forever]

286. Kicking...

... just to "piss off all the right people."

[Cal33]

293. Thanks for leaving them and telling us about it so openly. It takes courage. My hat

off to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

298. My challenge for the morning crowd...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251775947

I am doubling it to $200.00. That's more than I have spent on clothes in the last six months.

[jack_krass]

301. The only ones who could "prove" it

Would be the shills themselves. And they're not going to risk their regular pay for the pittance you're offering (You're competing against billionaires)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

302. It can't be proven because it's untrue...

That's absolute Kafkasesque...

It would be akin to the drowning of witches...If the poor woman drowned she really wasn't a witch in the first place...

It smells of fanaticism and totalitarianism.

I will quadruple my offer...Maybe the person who made up the story will read this and respond:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=777733

[jack_krass]

299. Explains alot

Specially the "not good enough, Bernie" fecal matter and the like.

[polly7]

300. I remember being on another forum before I joined DU, just prior to the

invasion of Iraq. It was absolutely clear there were posters there following a script which included the ugliest things possible to challenge those of us who were against it. They repeated themselves and others word for word, day after day.

You knew exactly when a new talking point was added, they may as well have pinned it to the top with bright red lettering. Trotted out over and over until the next one. It was as transparent as all hell.

[Aerows]

324. Open Secret

This has been going on since usenet days. The only way you could *NOT* know that this is a thriving industry is to be naive beyond belief.

Hell, there are a variety of firms that offer these services. They aren't doing it because it doesn't work!

No need to piss on my leg and tell me it is raining.

[ibegurpard]

328. Is this paricularly incident true?

No clue but anyone who claims this isn't going on or chalks it up to conspiracy theory is either participating in it or benefitting from it.

[Aerows]

329. I have no idea about this specific case

I just know there are a slew of firms that offer this as a service, and make damn good money doing it.

Nobody pays for things that don't work. You can buy facebook likes, you can buy twitter followers, why on earth would it be a conspiracy theory to think you can't buy posters to push your line?

The first huge incident where this became known was with the Sony PSP "All I want for Christmas" scheme, but since then, several have become noted.

I leave it up to you to decide.

[artislife]

337. Kick.

Because I like this OP.

[liberal_at_heart]

338. Thank you Le Taz Hot. I think we all suspected something like this.

I believe there are real Hillary supporters here but the trolls are pretty obvious. They love to start trouble and just won't stop. That's why I love to use my ignore button. As far as I'm concerned arguing with trolls is a waste of my time.

[WillyT]

340. Kick !!!

[sellitman]

342. This doesn't surprise me at all.

This is how her "Puma's" behaved in the last election she ran in. This is why the only vote she will get from me is if she is my only credible choice in the General election.