Clinton seems out of step with progressives on so many issues.

[Vattel]

I will limit myself here to two social justice issues:

1. Capital punishment. Partly because capital punishment is applied unequally between the races, and partly because, once administered, it allows no remedy if the one who is executed turns out to be innocent, progressives want to abolish capital punishment. O'Malley fought with the NAACP to abolish capital punishment in Maryland. Clinton opposes abolition. Sanders agrees with O'Malley.

2. Marijuana crimes. Progressives like Sanders want to take marijuana off the federal drug schedule altogether. As he pointed out in a recent speech, blacks use marijuana about as much as whites do, but are four times more likely to be arrested for it. O'Malley has called for it to be removed from the Schedule I list. Clinton has not even endorsed its removal from the Schedule I list. She has suggested that incarceration is inappropriate for mere possession. But she wants more research into the issue.

It's almost comical to see her devoting a whole ad to gun control, the one issue where she is arguably more progressive than Sanders. That is especially comical given that in the 2008 primary she attacked Obama for being too anti-gun.

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Vattel.

[Armstead]

2. The Research Industry is going to boom if Clinton is elected

On a large number of issues, her answer is "We need to research that and explore our options."

[Bread and Circus]

10. Clever. I actually laughed out loud. It will be a Clinton stimulus package!

[Doctor_J]

14. And the polling industry

"What do I believe about gay marriage today"?

[bvf]

21. LOL!

Yep, keep that finger in the wind!

[upaloopa]

3. How do you expect to win a nomination of a

party that is more diverse than you are?
How do expect to attract more support by criticizing everyone you disagree with.
Do you ever wonder why you can't get enough support to get out of the 25% range? You must think you can convert people to your side by saying you are the progressive and they aren't.
Maybe you have given up caring and this is sour grapes.
If you can't get enough Dem support to win a primary why are you thinking you can go up against the repubs?

[NurseJackie]

4. ^ Like.

[Vattel]

7. I don't think Bernie's problem is that he is too progressive to win the primary.

His only chance, in my opinion, is to more clearly distinguish himself as far more progressive than Clinton.

[Historic NY]

11. Well that isn't working with 62% of Democrats....

supporting Hillary Clinton is it. He isn't able to move his numbers in fact he is losing women.

[frylock]

22. Good luck winning anything without independents.

[Bread and Circus]

12. The fact that Bern is out of the 3% range should be telling you something

He is running as the anti-democrat-establishment candidate and garners near a fourth of the party.

If you cant see how stunning that is you gotta get some glasses.

[Romulox]

5. Clinton supporters are defenders of the status quo. You can see that here on this thread. nt

[reformist2]

6. If you want a pro-choice Republican, Hillary is your gal!

[JaneyVee]

8. Guns and immigration and closing GITMO.

And progressives are what, 7% of the population, if that?

[Vattel]

9. Clinton has a much less progressive record on immigration.

Voting to build a wall between Mexico and the USA, wanting to deport refugee children, saying she is "against illegal immigrants." Immigrant rights is my number one issue. And I prefer Sanders.

[JaneyVee]

13. The things I listed are where Bernie is out of step with progressives.

[Vattel]

15. I don't think he is out of step with progressives on immigration.

His vote against the one immigration reform bill was based on progressive values. There is a long history of abuse of guest worker programs by big business to suppress labor wages and even prevent unionization. Sanders was opposed to the bill in question because it had provisions for guest workers that would contribute to such abuses.

edited to add: I will have to investigate the GITMO thing. I don't know much about the basis for his vote there.

[jtuck004]

16. Do you ever watch Criminal Minds? An unsub's pretend friend causes them to do some bad things, but

it's their pretend friends that are real that open their minds to doing really bad things to others.

[AlbertCat]

17. "seems"

A word to use a lot with the Hillary campaign.

[bvf]

23. She's also big on "considering" things. n/t

[AlbertCat]

18. she is arguably more progressive than Sanders.

I dunno about that.

Sanders wants sensible legislation, not dumb legislation like making manufacturers responsible for gun violence.

[Vattel]

20. I actually think the PLCAA is a bad law, though Clinton mischaracterized it

in a way that made it seem worse than it is. Sanders seems to be open to amending or repealing it.

[AzDar]

19. K & R

[brooklynite]

24. I think you should tell people about this...

...based on 2008, you have about 20 M Democrats to convince. So far, it doesn't seem to be going so well.

[840high]

25. A year is a long time - anything

can happen.

[brooklynite]

27. Try four months...

Super Tuesday is in early March. So far, you (maybe) have a lead in one State.

[Vattel]

29. Sadly, I agree that Clinton will probably win the nomination.

But Bernie's best chance is to get more people better informed. The first debate was kind of useless in terms of revealing the many ways Sanders has a far better record than Clinton.

[Thinkingabout]

26. She is not out of line on gun issues, Sanders is .

[Vattel]

28. Um, that's what I suggested was aruably true.

[NonMetro]

30. "Progressives" Support The Death Penalty, And Want To Continue The War On Drugs.

Yes, I know: that's not necessarily "progressive", but that's what "progressives" support. In other words, HRC supports those things, people who self identify as "Progressive" support her, therefore, "Progressives" support those things.

[Vattel]

31. I am not talking about people who self-identify as "progressive."

[NonMetro]

32. Yes, sorry about that.

Sometimes, I just get incredulous at those who call themselves "progressive" who are anything but.