Has anyone flipped who they are supporting due to our "discussion" here on DU?
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Honest question.
On edit: Keep in mind the key part of the question is whether who you support has flipped DUE TO our discussion on DU.
I am trying to guage whether anyone has persuaded anyone here.
It feels like we are just preaching to our own choirs.
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even randy seemed to know it - basically admitting s/he would get the hide
I'm not sure there would ever have been a forthright statement owning the accusation. S/he hemmed and hawed for several posts after you directly questioned it
No one. Not even Bravenak. It's in the fucking genealogy forum where I assumed the members were colleagues, not crazy stalkers. Where a post every three months means things are hopping. So yeah, I actually did have a reasonable expectation of privacy (in Internet terms). I certainly never expected the exposure to come from within.
And frankly, she didn't find that story on DU, she got it from me direct from the
Chicago Tribune article. I gave her the link to make sure she knew I was bi-racial. I never linked DU to this story. Only the Trib. Anyone searching for it on DU2 had to be pretty dedicated to finding it.
Whoever has dug up the old DU2 link is simply backtracking.
I'm well aware that everything we put online is there forever. I'll delete the post but it doesn't mean it's ever erased.
Thanks to you.
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Edited to add that you'd have to have my real name to find that post. I did a Google search and a DU search. Either you or Bravenak are still stalking me to retrieve it. It's impossible otherwise.
Nice.
The post must have touched that cognitive dissonance we are all observing in many of the HRC supporters. The fact of the alert succinctly legitimizes Cosmic Kitten's analysis.
Nicely done, CK.
I try to listen to the arguments of others and try and learn.
Some arguments I discount completely, others make me think. 
Oh YES!
You had poor, perceptive randys1, who has posted many times that, not only is he a supporter of Bernie, but he has worked and/or volunteered for the Bernie campaign, thanking you for calling Bernie's supporters racists and misogynists, just as any true Bernie supporter would. Even after your many posts, he never grokked that you were being blatantly sarcastic.
I tried to warn him of your foul tendency to use sarcasm without labeling it as such, but it was too late. Now, he has three hides on this thread alone for strongly implying Bernie supporters (such as you and, of course, him) have a problem with strong women of color; i.e., that Bernie's supporters are racist and sexist. O, the humanity!
I blame all of this entirely on your failure to use a sarcasm emote in your Reply 45, or, at the very least, to sign it as Third Way Manny.
This kind of reckless posting has taken a horrible toll. After all, how could poor randys1 be expected to know a MannyGoldstein post might be sarcastic if there were no express indication? 
Emoticons are your friend. 
There's just no excuse for not using them, well, liberally, in your posts. 
I am so done. 
From this moment, you are dtm. 
They may not be used as tools of parody?
I just enjoy 
TWM.
A little wine, some candlelight and... um... 
Labeling and characterizations aside, can you show a case where it's been an issue? Or even a hypothetical would be fine? Just to see where you're coming from.
Of course no industry should be shielded from their responsibility. Obviously it's a question of defining what that responsibility is. Afaik, companies are responsible to sell products that work.
If a company sells a car, and the car drives off a cliff because of a design or mfg flaw in the brakes, the car company is responsible. If the car drives off a cliff because the driver chose not to use the brakes, the car company is not responsible. Agreed?
But again, let me know what I'm missing in terms of specifics and/or examples. Speaking in broad terms ("We want liberty!"
is too vague to be helpful.
Really? Good grief, is he supposed to be some all powerful creature that can control what everyone who claims to support him says and does? Really?
I am at a loss for words, going to the obvious...
I was once an enthusiastic Bernie supporter, but the way some people turned on Bravenak made me NOT want to be in that choir. Some of the Bernie supporters, as much as I like Bernie himself, have acted in a manner that goes beyond the pale, which is unforgivable in life, and should have been unforgivable here on DU, which, sadly, it was anything but. Nathan Bedford Forrest is smiling from Hell at the way some bernie supporters treated black people because they dared think they had to right not to be polite after a solid year of lynching by cop.
My mind about Hillary is not changed; if the Democratic party were to nominate a ham sandwich in the general, than to paraphrase Churchill "I will need to say something nice about the devil" and vote for a ham sandwich, namely because the GOP has people dumber than a ham sandwich. But,just because I have taken my little loyalty oath aka "let's not do the Nader thing again" pledge, that will not deny me the chance to remind Hillary that she will need our votes, and to hear our voices, something she obviously did when she condemned Keystone and the TPP
I originally started as a Hillary supporter -- a weak one -- but a supporter. After seeing the conduct of and the statements made by some of her supporters on the DU, I started to look at Bernie and found what they said was totally false. The more I looked at Bernie, the more I liked him. In the beginning, I contributed $25.00 to Hillary and I still have 3 Hillary bumper stickers in my in basket on my desk. Now, I have a standing $25.00/month contribution to Bernie and a Bernie sticker on my car.
If not for the nastiness of some of the HRC supporters -- not all of the, but several of them -- who regularly post ugliness about Bernie Sanders, I might not have done my investigation. Hillary is now a very far behind 2nd choice for me. So thank you to a few very vocal and nasty HRC supporters for opening my eyes to the candidate, Bernie Sanders, who supports most closely where I stand on important issues.
