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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:23 PM Nov 2015

Clinton Pulls the Trigger on Minority Community Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas

The *discussion* blaming Bernie Sanders for taking Texas up on its offer to dispose of hazardous waste for Vermont and Maine since it can't safely be disposed of in those 2 states, is calculatingly dishonest.

That Nuclear Dump project was approved by Gov. Ann Richards (D) for the states of Maine, Vermont, and Texas and then approved by the US Congress a year later, in 1994. It had been planned since the 1980s.

It was signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton who was also the first to authorize interstate transportation of nuclear waste.

It's funny watching people blame Bernie Sanders for something Bill Clinton signed into law


http://amarillo.com/stories/101298/new_LD0616.001.shtml

Those of you around at the time should remember how angry environmentalists were over the possibility of serious trucking accidents on the interstates en route to various dumps around the country.

It should also be noted that the tiny town of Sierra Blanca (population under 600) had already been a toxic waste dump for the state of NY (at a rate of over 200 tons a day) and is poisoned for generations.

The site was eventually *dumped* for nuclear waste disposal because Texas and the town of Sierra Blanca had failed to disclose that there was a an earthquake fault directly below the designated site and that there had been over 60 earthquakes in the vicinity in the last 70 years.


Nuclear Information and Resource Service

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 22, 1998


CONTACT
Bill Addington, Save Sierra Blanca 915-369-2541
Diane D'Arrigo, NIRS 301-270-6477 16
Erin Rogers, Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund 512-472-0855

President Clinton Pulls the Trigger on Minority Community
Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas Border Town


Wash., D.C. -- On September 20, President Clinton violated the very spirit and letter of his own 1994 Executive order on Environmental Justice by signing the Texas/Maine/Vermont Radioactive Waste dump Compact (HR 629) into law. His signature traded the civil rights of the low-income, Mexican American people of Sierra Blanca, Texas for the nuclear power industry.

"The radioactive waste gun was pointed, loaded and the trigger cocked. Clinton's signature effectively pulls the federal trigger, Okaying sending radioactive to West Texas, and making it orders of magnitude harder for the local residents to fight it," stated Diane D'Arrigo of Nuclear Information and Resource Service. "But fight it they will, with growing local, national and international support and concern."

The town, located on the Texas Mexico border would receive the decommissioned nuclear power reactors and deadly radioactive wastes from Maine and Vermont and else!QW! perhaps as early as 1999. Nearly 40% of the people in this West Texas region live below the poverty line; 70% are Hispanic. The President signed the nuclear power bill despite:

1. clear evidence that the low-income, Mexican American community does not have the political or economic power to refuse the dangerous atomic waste,

2. that the community is already receiving hazardous, industrial NYC sewage sludge,

3. the fact that his signature violates his own Environmental Justice order prohibiting federal agencies from supporting projects that result in discrimination. The US Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency and Nuclear Regulatory Commission have been involved in this discriminatory project. President Clinton's signature, in addition to granting broad powers favoring the nuclear power industry, releases $55 million to dig the atomic dump in Texas's most active earthquake zone. The trenches would be directly above a geological fault line.

President Clinton's action flies in the face of opposition from nearly 200 national, international and local organizations including religious, civil rights, Hispanic, environmental and economic justice groups on record denouncing the dump and Compact. It flaunts the unanimous opposition of the Mexican federal Congress and five Mexican states.

The radioactive waste, which President Clinton and Congress are now pushing on Sierra Blanca, is by no means "low risk." Mainly resulting from nuclear power, it includes plutonium (hazardous for 1/2 million years), radioiodines (some hazardous for 320 million years), strontium-90 (a bone-seeker which causes bone cancer and leukemia, hazardous for 560 years) and other intensely radioactive elements.

"Clinton is now an accomplice to the racist government of Texas," charged Richard Boren, coordinator of Southwest Toxic Watch. "Now the US government has given the green light to send nuclear waste from primarily white states like Maine and Vermont to the Texas Border region that is over 70% Mexican American."

The Compact also opens the door to Texas becoming the nation's next national nuclear power dump. President Clinton's signature ratifies a law which omits amendments originally passed in the House and Senate which would have protected Texas from becoming a national dump-state and giving the local community a right to challenge discrimination.

Bill Addington, businessman and rancher from Sierra Blanca, responded to news of the president's signing, "President Clinton's 1984 Executive order on Environmental Justice isn't worth the paper it's printed on." He stated that "This environmental injustice in Sierra Blanca threatens environmental justice throughout the US."
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http://www.nirs.org/press/09-22-1998/1


Yeah it sucks but it part of a much larger issue no one ever addresses here. It's not like Bernie Sanders just picked that place out of a hat.

The US has a habit of illegally dumping its toxic trash in poor countries of really Black people like Haiti and no one complains, except the poor natives as in the case of the Khian Sea that illegally dumped 4,000 tons of Philadelphia's toxic waste in Haiti, include radioactive & contaminated hospital waste, and another 10,000 in the ocean.

Let's not even get started on what's in our weapons.

While I was looking for Howard Dean's quote on this, google turned up an old DU thread started by a vocal Clinton supporter who's no fonder of Sanders than he was of Dean. "This is not a big issue" - Howard Dean on Sierra Blanca nuclear waste"

Sierra Blanca was used back then to attack Dean and now it's being used to attack Sanders.

What. a. surprise. NOT.
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Clinton Pulls the Trigger on Minority Community Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas (Original Post) Catherina Nov 2015 OP
What a shock, to find a dishonest attack coming from the Clinton side. arcane1 Nov 2015 #1
A dishonest attack? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #25
NY stopped shipping sewage to Sierra Blanca due to the indictment of the company's owners.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #86
The relentless dishonesty of their side's talking points makes it harder to muster any enthusiasm villager Nov 2015 #81
Indeed, for a guy who "Can't Win" there's a lot of effort to find creative ways to shit on him. arcane1 Nov 2015 #100
you have to Borg the "outlying" ideas to keep everyone in line, que no? villager Nov 2015 #116
"It's funny watching people blame Bernie Sanders for something Bill Clinton signed into law" AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #2
"It's funny watching people blame Hillary Clinton for something Bill Clinton signed into law" randys1 Nov 2015 #4
Please link to the OP that blames Hillary for this? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #8
Actually I got it completely, which is why you are so quick to respond. randys1 Nov 2015 #10
You failed to post a link to where a Bernie supporter blamed Hillary, bvar22 Nov 2015 #49
Like you just said? LOL you folks are quite amazing. Problem is you are on the WRONG message randys1 Nov 2015 #50
That is not a rebuttal. sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #97
That's what I've been doing. And my candidate is easy to 'sell'. Even in a fairly red part of the sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #82
It's funny that people list First lady as being one of the qualifications for being President.. frylock Nov 2015 #17
As funny as pictures of Black people being hosed down by the authorities? randys1 Nov 2015 #18
I didn't post that for laughs.. frylock Nov 2015 #22
You posted it more to piss Black people off, one Black person in particular. randys1 Nov 2015 #24
I posted it to highlight the hypocrisy of DU's favorite so-called SJW.. frylock Nov 2015 #26
My topic are fake liberals posting on a liberal message board. randys1 Nov 2015 #28
Who is the fake liberal in this scenario? frylock Nov 2015 #39
Oh, snap! nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #52
What's and SJW?... luvspeas Nov 2015 #36
... randys1 Nov 2015 #41
Social Justice Warrior. Pejorative term used to denigrate activists who fight for civil rights. emulatorloo Nov 2015 #85
And that such a long time member awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #91
I guess some people will do or say anything to "win" emulatorloo Nov 2015 #95
So you admit to doing things to hurt a DUer rbrnmw Nov 2015 #58
No, thanks. frylock Nov 2015 #67
So you used images of violent attacks on African Americans teens from Birmingham 1963 to score points? emulatorloo Nov 2015 #84
I saw some pictures like that the other day... Agschmid Nov 2015 #96
That post was hidden. frylock Nov 2015 #110
Still there, not hidden at all. Link here emulatorloo Nov 2015 #114
There were two posts, one of which was hidden. frylock Nov 2015 #115
randy randy randy! luvspeas Nov 2015 #35
And if you are not paying attention, sometimes I ROLL too! randys1 Nov 2015 #38
Do you have anything to say about the topic of the OP? Any comment on what is an important issue sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #92
When someone posts pictures of black people being tortured specifically to offend luvspeas Nov 2015 #103
From Dus Terms of Service: luvspeas Nov 2015 #106
You are talking to the metaphorical chess playing pigeon Fairgo Nov 2015 #119
First Lady experience only counts if it's something positive that the president did. arcane1 Nov 2015 #37
yeah she was co-president for the economy, but not for doma or dadt or the welfare deform Doctor_J Nov 2015 #59
You're killing me! Phlem Nov 2015 #76
Guess you're not familiar with the phrase about where the buck stops, Fry. Nitram Nov 2015 #129
Looking over my post, I don't see where I said she had signed anything. frylock Nov 2015 #130
Being FLOTUS is obviously useful experience and would give a candidate a leg up on taking office. Nitram Nov 2015 #133
I can assume she supported every bill her husband signed that she is on record as supporting.. frylock Nov 2015 #134
You've clearly done more research than I have. I didn't know Clinton expressed support for.... Nitram Nov 2015 #135
You're correct in that it is not applicable in this instance.. frylock Nov 2015 #136
So you never had a point that related to the OP? Nitram Nov 2015 #137
Yes, shame on me. frylock Nov 2015 #139
Last week Hillary excused Bill for DOMA when she did not sign it. She really fictionalized the whole Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #87
New talking point, different day. Aerows Nov 2015 #113
Whatever you say! You betcha! You wont get no sass talk from me! randys1 Nov 2015 #124
I don't think its funny, but it is misleading to cite Bill Clinton for signing a law onenote Nov 2015 #9
He is not required to sign it AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #11
Why does that justify signing it? Why not Do the Right Thing instead? arcane1 Nov 2015 #43
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #54
For whatever reason, Presidents rarely if ever exercise that option any more onenote Nov 2015 #61
Thanks! That sucks but at least it makes a little more sense n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #99
By signing, Bill endorsed it. bvar22 Nov 2015 #71
Why can't elected Democrats throw the Republicans an anchor on occasion? stillwaiting Nov 2015 #120
And it is funny because Texas was lobbying for the waste site to be in Texas. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #12
It's a tradition HassleCat Nov 2015 #23
Arkansas used to be that way with a VX and Sarin nerve gas plant and toxic waste LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #30
I'm being somewhat unfair to Texas HassleCat Nov 2015 #32
Catherina, you go girl!!!! nt wendylaroux Nov 2015 #3
yeah...go. n/t luvspeas Nov 2015 #40
that's not very nice wendylaroux Nov 2015 #68
You're right. luvspeas Nov 2015 #70
At the end, the people will vote for the best candidate Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #5
K&R Cleita Nov 2015 #6
Why are we discussing something BILL Clinton did? onenote Nov 2015 #7
This is about NOT blaming Sanders for something he's being blamed for elsewhere. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #13
Not exactly responsive to my point. onenote Nov 2015 #19
The OP is addressing the latest daily attempt to smear BERNIE. It is doing what we must do sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #31
I'm a Bernie supporter but I would never post an OP with such a misleading title. onenote Nov 2015 #65
Well although it is from 18 years ago... ljm2002 Nov 2015 #125
It has nothing to do with the sequence of events onenote Nov 2015 #132
Funny it was a Buy One Get One sale last time, but not this time? n/t A Simple Game Nov 2015 #83
The OP is about Bernie and Bill. progressoid Nov 2015 #20
Which means it is in the wrong forum as well as being intentionally misleading. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #27
Bernie is in the Primaries. progressoid Nov 2015 #46
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #14
Some irony here HassleCat Nov 2015 #15
Thank you for the additional information n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #42
Oops!! Using old talking points is not wise. I guess they were trying to be frugal sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #16
You absolutely shouldn't vote for Bill Clinton, then...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #21
Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton Renew Deal Nov 2015 #29
Sadly some are not able to handle Hillary being a full person on her own. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #78
And some people struggle with basic reading comprehension jeff47 Nov 2015 #105
Indeed Renew Deal Nov 2015 #108
Still throwing Clinton stuff against the wall to see what sticks on Hillary. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #33
No...but trying to say Bernie was pushing nuclear waste on poor Hispanics SoapBox Nov 2015 #47
but Dick Taverne, Vilsack, and Kevin Folta said ... MisterP Nov 2015 #34
geebus and here I've been blaming the Texas state government azurnoir Nov 2015 #44
Mendacity Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #45
It's funny to learn that Hillary has no mind of her own Politicub Nov 2015 #48
The OP doesn't say a thing about Sec. Clinton. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #53
It's funny to learn that Hillary has no mind of her own AlbertCat Nov 2015 #60
.. mcar Nov 2015 #98
You should provide this to the people at Free Republic and Hannity.com, just in case there were randys1 Nov 2015 #51
Maybe it was a mistake for the HRC camp to bring up the issue in the first place? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #112
Let's just stop using nuclear energy all together. That's the only way to reduce the amount of JDPriestly Nov 2015 #55
Thanks for mentioning this. It never ends Catherina Nov 2015 #93
Me too. I absolutely will never vote for Hillary Clinton. Never. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #111
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #56
President Clinton. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #57
K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #62
This is by the book "passing the buck." NCTraveler Nov 2015 #63
But...but nuclear energy is clean...like coal. valerief Nov 2015 #64
So, the Clinton in your nasty head line is Bill. Nothing to do with Hillary. move along. riversedge Nov 2015 #66
Since it was WJC, the president, I do sort of follow the logic Rose Siding Nov 2015 #90
the shade that being thrown i love it Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #69
Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows Catherina Nov 2015 #89
+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #94
hot seat Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #104
k/r 840high Nov 2015 #72
Excellent post. Phlem Nov 2015 #73
Well bless their hearts, they try so hard. Autumn Nov 2015 #74
Bill Clinton is not running for President upaloopa Nov 2015 #75
Wonder what this post has to do with any of Hillary's policies. It is a joke. riversedge Nov 2015 #101
Then why'd you bring her up? jeff47 Nov 2015 #107
Thank You For Setting The Record Straight cantbeserious Nov 2015 #77
A woman is little more than what her husband is, or was ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #79
Evidently. leftofcool Nov 2015 #131
Another day, another oops! CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Nov 2015 #88
Have I said yet today how much i hate these people? Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #102
K & R L0oniX Nov 2015 #109
This doesn't surprise me. They'll probably claim later that Bernie wears a toupee, and is a member . Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #117
Coming soon ;) n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #123
The underlying issue here is which candidate is in favor or creating more nuclear waste eridani Nov 2015 #118
Yes. In short, backers like Westinghouse and GE need it badly n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #122
The OP is very misleading and should be deleted. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #121
+1 - it's in GDP - Bill isn't running n/t JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #127
Really? Refuting a smear against Bernie is not allowed? djean111 Nov 2015 #128
Kick! Autumn Nov 2015 #126
Every week, I feel worse about voting for Bill....nt artislife Nov 2015 #138
I'm angry I ever defended him Catherina Nov 2015 #140
Live and learn, live and learn. artislife Nov 2015 #141
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
86. NY stopped shipping sewage to Sierra Blanca due to the indictment of the company's owners....
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:48 PM
Nov 2015

that had run the whole scheme....

"The contract with New York City was terminated in June of 2001 (two of the company's owners were found guilty of bribing New York mafia bosses in the hope of influencing union officials), and the sludge ranch - one of the largest in the world - now sits idle. Merco filed for bankruptcy in 2002, resulting in the state of Texas purchasing the site from them."
http://clui.org/ludb/site/sierra-blanca-sludge-ranch

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
81. The relentless dishonesty of their side's talking points makes it harder to muster any enthusiasm
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:17 PM
Nov 2015

...for their possible eventual nominee.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
100. Indeed, for a guy who "Can't Win" there's a lot of effort to find creative ways to shit on him.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:48 PM
Nov 2015

Then, of course, there's the fact that the front-runner keeping stealing his ideas a week after he expresses them

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
2. "It's funny watching people blame Bernie Sanders for something Bill Clinton signed into law"
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

Indeed it is very hypocritical.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
10. Actually I got it completely, which is why you are so quick to respond.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

Dont worry, I will work 24/7 registering people to vote and when necessary advise them on the ILLEGAL requirements for ID so that they can vote.

I will work as hard as I can to get as many people voting against the terrorist organization aka American Taliban aka Teaparty.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
49. You failed to post a link to where a Bernie supporter blamed Hillary,
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:20 PM
Nov 2015

though she WAS the "co-president" at the time.
You remember their campaign...."Two for the Price of One"?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
50. Like you just said? LOL you folks are quite amazing. Problem is you are on the WRONG message
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:22 PM
Nov 2015

board!!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. That's what I've been doing. And my candidate is easy to 'sell'. Even in a fairly red part of the
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

country. Already got non voters registered in NY by the 9th who haven't before. Bernie is a benefit to the Dem party. Their memberships was down by 10% but with new people registering as Dems to get Bernie elected, that should help boost the membership of the party again.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
17. It's funny that people list First lady as being one of the qualifications for being President..
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

but don't hold her responsible for policies enacted by her husband that she is on record as having supported.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
26. I posted it to highlight the hypocrisy of DU's favorite so-called SJW..
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:47 PM
Nov 2015

But let's try and stay on topic here and maybe answer the question I posed to you.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. Who is the fake liberal in this scenario?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

The person who's views haven't changed from 1/19/2009 to today, or the person who's views shift to rationalize their candidate favoring conservative policy?

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
58. So you admit to doing things to hurt a DUer
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

You should apologize that was the wrong thing to do. Do you understand what that image means? I think it was a mean thing to do. It hurt a lot of people.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
84. So you used images of violent attacks on African Americans teens from Birmingham 1963 to score points?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:38 PM
Nov 2015

in a personal internet feud?

You posted a picture of Alabama whites using high-pressure >>fire hoses<< to attack African American high-school students cuz you haz a sad?

Maybe next time you can find some pictures of the police using police dogs to attack black men, women and children from the Birmingham campaign. Those would probably very effective in settling scores with African American DU'ers. <sarcasm>

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
92. Do you have anything to say about the topic of the OP? Any comment on what is an important issue
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:09 PM
Nov 2015

and has been, for Democrats anyhow, for a long time?

How about Ann Richards, Bill Clinton's part in this? Any objection, any support, anythng?

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
103. When someone posts pictures of black people being tortured specifically to offend
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

A self-identified person of color who is also a member of this group, I'd say that's pretty fucking important. One picture was hidden but the other was not. I sent a message to skinner about it but I do not know what else to do.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
106. From Dus Terms of Service:
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:08 PM
Nov 2015
Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists.

Frylock just stated that he posted those pictures to teach Bravenak a lesson and included his little SJW insult in the process. It's right here in the thread in black and white. If somebody doesn't do something them this place is pure hate top to bottom.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
119. You are talking to the metaphorical chess playing pigeon
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:20 AM
Nov 2015

Don't expect anything but burbling noises, head bobbing, guano, and a victory dance.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
37. First Lady experience only counts if it's something positive that the president did.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

Funny how that works.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
59. yeah she was co-president for the economy, but not for doma or dadt or the welfare deform
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Or this. Funny how that works

Nitram

(22,802 posts)
129. Guess you're not familiar with the phrase about where the buck stops, Fry.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

Can you cite one iota of evidence that Hillary Clinton had any role in Bill Clinton's decision to sign the bill? If not, you're just looking for cheap shots.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
130. Looking over my post, I don't see where I said she had signed anything.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:47 PM
Nov 2015

I said she SUPPORTED Bill's policies, and very publicly. In any case, should her tenure as First Lady be used to tout her qualifications as president or not?

Nitram

(22,802 posts)
133. Being FLOTUS is obviously useful experience and would give a candidate a leg up on taking office.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:50 AM
Nov 2015

That said, you can't turn it around and assume FLOTUS supported every bill her husband signed. Your really stretching this one, Fry.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
134. I can assume she supported every bill her husband signed that she is on record as supporting..
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

why do Hillary supporters continue to gloss over her record?

Nitram

(22,802 posts)
135. You've clearly done more research than I have. I didn't know Clinton expressed support for....
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
Nov 2015

...sending radioactive waste to Texas. Where did you find that?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
136. You're correct in that it is not applicable in this instance..
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

my original post, admittedly, was more of a comment in general to that poster, i.e. welfare reform, NAFTA, tough-on-crime bills, etc.

Nitram

(22,802 posts)
137. So you never had a point that related to the OP?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

Jut blowing smoke up our butts again. Lame Fry, really lame.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
87. Last week Hillary excused Bill for DOMA when she did not sign it. She really fictionalized the whole
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

thing on his behalf, having not signed it herself. Cake, then eat it too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
113. New talking point, different day.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:28 PM
Nov 2015

When Bill Clinton did something good, Hillary takes credit for it. When Bill Clinton did something bad, it was totally not her fault.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
9. I don't think its funny, but it is misleading to cite Bill Clinton for signing a law
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

without mentioning that it passed by a veto-proof margin.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
11. He is not required to sign it
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:32 PM
Nov 2015

Same with Glass Steagall. He didn't have to sign it. Presidents sign laws they agree with.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
43. Why does that justify signing it? Why not Do the Right Thing instead?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

If it's going to pass no matter what, why take their side and go down in history as supporting it? That's basically saying "So many republicans approve of this bill that I have no choice but to sign it" which is bullshit.

I'd prefer a president who lets principles decide whether a bills deserves to be signed.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
61. For whatever reason, Presidents rarely if ever exercise that option any more
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:43 PM
Nov 2015

What they do -- and what Clinton did -- is not hold a signing ceremony or do anything to draw attention to or signify support for a bill that they don't necessarily support. The reasons for this are varied. If the bill has divided the President's own party, it is one way to split the difference.

In this case, it wasn't that "so many republicans supported it" -- it was that there was a split with more Democrats (plus Bernie) supporting it than opposing it.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
120. Why can't elected Democrats throw the Republicans an anchor on occasion?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:27 AM
Nov 2015

Let Republicans OWN the really bad things.

Democrats don't have to be so bipartisan all of the time (even on the really bad things).

Let Republicans override the veto and OWN IT!

Elected Democrats should do that EVERY SINGLE TIME there is legislation pending that isn't good for the nation and that their supporters/base do not support. Doing this will give people the notion that they are fighting for us no matter what, and that is something that has been missing from the Democratic Party for decades now.



 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
23. It's a tradition
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:45 PM
Nov 2015

The location was to be in a poor community where most of the people have limited English skills, and cannot understand what's being done to them. That's Texas in a nut shell.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
32. I'm being somewhat unfair to Texas
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:53 PM
Nov 2015

They will pull this crap almost anywhere people have little political power, and need jobs. Prisons, waste dumps, fertilizer plants... whatever nobody else wants in their back yard.

 

Dr. Doolittle

(43 posts)
5. At the end, the people will vote for the best candidate
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:29 PM
Nov 2015

and hopefully it will be Bernie. It's not over, not by a long shot.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
7. Why are we discussing something BILL Clinton did?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015

I have a suggestion: when posting in the primaries forum, be specific as to whether you're posting about Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
13. This is about NOT blaming Sanders for something he's being blamed for elsewhere.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015

That's why it's in GD : P.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
19. Not exactly responsive to my point.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:36 PM
Nov 2015

Which is that OPs in the primaries forum should distinguish between Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton since one is a candidate in the primaries, and one isnt.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
31. The OP is addressing the latest daily attempt to smear BERNIE. It is doing what we must do
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

with these Corporate Funded talking points so we don't get anymore Swift Boating of good Democratic candidates.

If absolutely belongs here, it is about BERNIE and Bill who apparently signed the bill and Ann Richards.

This ought to end this particular attempt at a smear.

But tomorrow no doubt there will be another. And we will be ready to correct the record AGAIN.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
65. I'm a Bernie supporter but I would never post an OP with such a misleading title.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

First, by referring to Clinton, it creates the impression that it is about Hillary Clinton not Bill.
Second, it reinforces that misimpression by being stated in the present tense when its discussing something that occurred 18 years ago (which is why I don't find it particularly relevant as to either Bernie's campaign or H.Clinton's campaign).

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
125. Well although it is from 18 years ago...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

...it is relevant to the campaign because Hillary Clinton supporters have used it to smear Sanders. Had they not done so, it would not have been discussed in the first place.

Clinton supporters do not get to say "oh that's not relevant" after they brought it to our attention in the first place.

No I am not addressing you with that statement -- you say you are a Bernie supporter and I take you at your word. But you seem a bit confused as to the sequence of events regarding this topic.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
132. It has nothing to do with the sequence of events
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:40 PM
Nov 2015

I know the sequence of events and I know why the OP was posted and don't have any objection to it being posted. I just think, as a matter of accuracy and clarity, that titling the OP as "Bill Clinton Pulled the Trigger on Minority Community Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas" would have been more appropriate. (Frankly, if I had been the one writing the OP, I probably would have simply titled it "Bill Clinton Signed the Law on Clearing the Way for the Construction of the Nuclear Waste Dump in Sierra Bianca)."

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
46. Bernie is in the Primaries.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:03 PM
Nov 2015

This is in response to an issue raised in the primary campaign and discussed in GD-P. Seems pretty straight forward.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
15. Some irony here
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

As mentioned in the first paragraph, Bill Clinton issued an executive order that allows people in minority communities to challenge the EPA permit process if the permit is being granted without adequate consideration of issues like forcing polluting industries onto poor and minority communities. I'm not sure if the "environmental justice" executive order can be used to challenge Sierra Blanca, since it would be DOE, not EPA, doing the permit. I will try to find some more info.

On edit: There appears to be no formal appeal under Clinton's executive order. Senator Paul Wellstone is a hero of the struggle, something I did not find surprising. The state gave up on the Sierra Blanc site, and is looking at another location. The University of Michigan law school has a synopsis of the case here: http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/blanca.html

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Oops!! Using old talking points is not wise. I guess they were trying to be frugal
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

with all the Corporate money that is flowing into the Super Pacs that do the dirty work of trying, and it's hard work re Bernie, to land a blow to one of the best candidates we've had in a long time.

Great post, thanks for setting the record straight.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
29. Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

Some people struggle with that concept. Also, people here don't have a problem blaming the Iraq War on Hillary. There is a bit of hypocrisy in your post.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
105. And some people struggle with basic reading comprehension
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:07 PM
Nov 2015

The claim from your side is Sanders inflicted radioactive waste on poor Latinos.

Problem is, it was their governor who was asking for the waste. Which was conveniently left out of the attacks on Sanders.

Guess what? It doesn't have to be Hillary Clinton's actions to make the attack false.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
108. Indeed
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:21 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=760771

I haven't taken sides and did not claim "Sanders inflicted radioactive waste on poor Latinos."

I pointed out hypocrisy of the OP on other matters.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
47. No...but trying to say Bernie was pushing nuclear waste on poor Hispanics
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:04 PM
Nov 2015

and Latinos, is a big fat lie, being pushed, pushed, pushed by HRC supporters.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
48. It's funny to learn that Hillary has no mind of her own
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:18 PM
Nov 2015

Good thing she has a strong man like Bill to do all of the thinking for her.

Unless it's something that Bill did that we don't like, then it's the woman's fault.

Thanks for clearing that up, OP.



 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. The OP doesn't say a thing about Sec. Clinton.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:31 PM
Nov 2015

It's about clearing the record on a smear on Sanders posted (and hidden) earlier.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
60. It's funny to learn that Hillary has no mind of her own
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

True.

But Hillary has so little political experience that it's almost impossible to find things she had much to do with.

Still, it's good idea to blast lies about Sanders and get the record straight.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. You should provide this to the people at Free Republic and Hannity.com, just in case there were
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:24 PM
Nov 2015

any cons thinking of voting for Hillary.

Put an end to that right quick!

The agenda to destroy the Democratic Party's leading candidate is CLEAR.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
112. Maybe it was a mistake for the HRC camp to bring up the issue in the first place?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:21 PM
Nov 2015

Expecting candidate supporters to roll over while their candidate is unfairly trashed isn't particularly rational.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
55. Let's just stop using nuclear energy all together. That's the only way to reduce the amount of
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:37 PM
Nov 2015

nuclear waste we have to dispose of.

Here is another interesting item on Hillary and nuclear energy.


The US agreed to build two nuclear power stations and supply sophisticated weaponry to India when Hillary Clinton visited New Delhi.

. . . .

But the deal focuses on defence and civil nuclear energy agreements which could be worth more than $40 billion to American companies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/5872836/Hillary-Clinton-US-to-build-nuclear-plants-in-India.

And then there is the Russian uranium deal that Hillary signed off on while in the State Department. Coincidentally, money flowed into the Clinton Foundation, . . . . . . . . well, I'll let you read it for yourselves. Here is just a tidbit:

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

. . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0


Who really thinks that Hillary is more electable than Bernie?

Cause if you do, I've got a foundation I would like to show you.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
93. Thanks for mentioning this. It never ends
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:10 PM
Nov 2015

I blush to remember there was a time I vehemently defended the Clintons, long before, during and long after the Lewinski affair. How naive I was.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
57. President Clinton.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:38 PM
Nov 2015

Has a nice ring to it in your op. Many have warm feeling when thinking about the Big Dog.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
90. Since it was WJC, the president, I do sort of follow the logic
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:06 PM
Nov 2015

If a member of congress votes for something, say an IWR (in order to strengthen our position at the UN, say), then the president flaunts the UN and invades a country anyway, is it fair to say the Senator was responsible for the war? -At the least, no more responsible than Bernie was for voting to send toxic waste to a TX community of color, right?

Following that logic, maybe it's fair to let Bernie skate on this one.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
69. the shade that being thrown i love it
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015
So let me guess was the veto proof like Doma was there a fear of constitutional amendment and he was forced to sign it ? lol

Thank you for bringing up Haiti, Bill Clinton destroyed the livelihood of farmers, since( HRC supporters will say he not running) HRC during her tenure as SOS, pushed Haiti to keep their minimum wage low so American corporations could benefit ( think about that you next time you wear your Levis jeans)


Catherina

(35,568 posts)
89. Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015
Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows

Yeah, that same sleazy brother with a long history of selling his connection.


Tony's the more svelte one in green. The other brother is Hugh

If it's not Hugh Rodham pocketing $400,000 selling presidential pardons, it's Tony and the gold mines stolen from the starving Haitian people through the Clinton Foundation.

More here: Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows

What the Clintons did in Haiti is a black stain on America, from the rice war to the sweatshop factories, to manipulating the elections to install a compliant cocaine-addict as President.

Yes sir,
the "same old neo-liberal formula of promoting tourism, sweatshops, natural resource extraction, and cash crop exports. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton promoted this very policy, demonstrated particularly in the imposition of Michel Martelly as president."

http://sfbayview.com/2015/08/plan-lanmo-the-death-plan-the-clintons-foreign-aid-and-ngos-in-haiti/


Just feel the love for Black people.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
104. hot seat
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

Haiti has became a neo-liberal experiment where the very very small portion of the population controls all buddies with the Clinton (mevs, Bulous, Apaid, Baker )

All Haiti got from the Clinton foundation was a freakin luxury hotel where only a few lucky few benefit



Phlem

(6,323 posts)
73. Excellent post.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

You know, the more you show facts they go tone deaf and blind right.

Thank You for the post.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
107. Then why'd you bring her up?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:10 PM
Nov 2015

This post is about a story being used to smear Sanders. Turns out the people posting the story left out a lot of important details. As usual.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
131. Evidently.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:13 PM
Nov 2015

Because you know the little lady doesn't have a mind of her own. These sexist post are starting to get annoying.

Response to Catherina (Original post)

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
117. This doesn't surprise me. They'll probably claim later that Bernie wears a toupee, and is a member .
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:27 AM
Nov 2015

. . . of some men's hair club.


eridani

(51,907 posts)
118. The underlying issue here is which candidate is in favor or creating more nuclear waste
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:31 AM
Nov 2015

That would be Clinton.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
128. Really? Refuting a smear against Bernie is not allowed?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

What is misleading is the bullshit claiming that Bernie wanted to dump waste on Hispanics. Will you ask for that bullshit to be deleted?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
140. I'm angry I ever defended him
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:38 PM
Nov 2015

but back then I was very young, politically uniformed and thought they were the good guys because the other guys were so obviously bad. How foolish I was.

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