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Related: About this forumClinton Pulls the Trigger on Minority Community Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas
The *discussion* blaming Bernie Sanders for taking Texas up on its offer to dispose of hazardous waste for Vermont and Maine since it can't safely be disposed of in those 2 states, is calculatingly dishonest.
That Nuclear Dump project was approved by Gov. Ann Richards (D) for the states of Maine, Vermont, and Texas and then approved by the US Congress a year later, in 1994. It had been planned since the 1980s.
It was signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton who was also the first to authorize interstate transportation of nuclear waste.
It's funny watching people blame Bernie Sanders for something Bill Clinton signed into law
http://amarillo.com/stories/101298/new_LD0616.001.shtml
Those of you around at the time should remember how angry environmentalists were over the possibility of serious trucking accidents on the interstates en route to various dumps around the country.
It should also be noted that the tiny town of Sierra Blanca (population under 600) had already been a toxic waste dump for the state of NY (at a rate of over 200 tons a day) and is poisoned for generations.
The site was eventually *dumped* for nuclear waste disposal because Texas and the town of Sierra Blanca had failed to disclose that there was a an earthquake fault directly below the designated site and that there had been over 60 earthquakes in the vicinity in the last 70 years.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 22, 1998
CONTACT
Bill Addington, Save Sierra Blanca 915-369-2541
Diane D'Arrigo, NIRS 301-270-6477 16
Erin Rogers, Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund 512-472-0855
President Clinton Pulls the Trigger on Minority Community
Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas Border Town
Wash., D.C. -- On September 20, President Clinton violated the very spirit and letter of his own 1994 Executive order on Environmental Justice by signing the Texas/Maine/Vermont Radioactive Waste dump Compact (HR 629) into law. His signature traded the civil rights of the low-income, Mexican American people of Sierra Blanca, Texas for the nuclear power industry.
"The radioactive waste gun was pointed, loaded and the trigger cocked. Clinton's signature effectively pulls the federal trigger, Okaying sending radioactive to West Texas, and making it orders of magnitude harder for the local residents to fight it," stated Diane D'Arrigo of Nuclear Information and Resource Service. "But fight it they will, with growing local, national and international support and concern."
The town, located on the Texas Mexico border would receive the decommissioned nuclear power reactors and deadly radioactive wastes from Maine and Vermont and else!QW! perhaps as early as 1999. Nearly 40% of the people in this West Texas region live below the poverty line; 70% are Hispanic. The President signed the nuclear power bill despite:
1. clear evidence that the low-income, Mexican American community does not have the political or economic power to refuse the dangerous atomic waste,
2. that the community is already receiving hazardous, industrial NYC sewage sludge,
3. the fact that his signature violates his own Environmental Justice order prohibiting federal agencies from supporting projects that result in discrimination. The US Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency and Nuclear Regulatory Commission have been involved in this discriminatory project. President Clinton's signature, in addition to granting broad powers favoring the nuclear power industry, releases $55 million to dig the atomic dump in Texas's most active earthquake zone. The trenches would be directly above a geological fault line.
President Clinton's action flies in the face of opposition from nearly 200 national, international and local organizations including religious, civil rights, Hispanic, environmental and economic justice groups on record denouncing the dump and Compact. It flaunts the unanimous opposition of the Mexican federal Congress and five Mexican states.
The radioactive waste, which President Clinton and Congress are now pushing on Sierra Blanca, is by no means "low risk." Mainly resulting from nuclear power, it includes plutonium (hazardous for 1/2 million years), radioiodines (some hazardous for 320 million years), strontium-90 (a bone-seeker which causes bone cancer and leukemia, hazardous for 560 years) and other intensely radioactive elements.
"Clinton is now an accomplice to the racist government of Texas," charged Richard Boren, coordinator of Southwest Toxic Watch. "Now the US government has given the green light to send nuclear waste from primarily white states like Maine and Vermont to the Texas Border region that is over 70% Mexican American."
The Compact also opens the door to Texas becoming the nation's next national nuclear power dump. President Clinton's signature ratifies a law which omits amendments originally passed in the House and Senate which would have protected Texas from becoming a national dump-state and giving the local community a right to challenge discrimination.
Bill Addington, businessman and rancher from Sierra Blanca, responded to news of the president's signing, "President Clinton's 1984 Executive order on Environmental Justice isn't worth the paper it's printed on." He stated that "This environmental injustice in Sierra Blanca threatens environmental justice throughout the US."
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http://www.nirs.org/press/09-22-1998/1
Yeah it sucks but it part of a much larger issue no one ever addresses here. It's not like Bernie Sanders just picked that place out of a hat.
The US has a habit of illegally dumping its toxic trash in poor countries of really Black people like Haiti and no one complains, except the poor natives as in the case of the Khian Sea that illegally dumped 4,000 tons of Philadelphia's toxic waste in Haiti, include radioactive & contaminated hospital waste, and another 10,000 in the ocean.
Let's not even get started on what's in our weapons.
While I was looking for Howard Dean's quote on this, google turned up an old DU thread started by a vocal Clinton supporter who's no fonder of Sanders than he was of Dean. "This is not a big issue" - Howard Dean on Sierra Blanca nuclear waste"
Sierra Blanca was used back then to attack Dean and now it's being used to attack Sanders.
What. a. surprise. NOT.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Seems NY stopped under Senator Clinton's tenure. It was veto-proof under Bill.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that had run the whole scheme....
"The contract with New York City was terminated in June of 2001 (two of the company's owners were found guilty of bribing New York mafia bosses in the hope of influencing union officials), and the sludge ranch - one of the largest in the world - now sits idle. Merco filed for bankruptcy in 2002, resulting in the state of Texas purchasing the site from them."
http://clui.org/ludb/site/sierra-blanca-sludge-ranch
villager
(26,001 posts)...for their possible eventual nominee.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Then, of course, there's the fact that the front-runner keeping stealing his ideas a week after he expresses them
villager
(26,001 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Indeed it is very hypocritical.
randys1
(16,286 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Man, you guys just DON'T GET IT.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Dont worry, I will work 24/7 registering people to vote and when necessary advise them on the ILLEGAL requirements for ID so that they can vote.
I will work as hard as I can to get as many people voting against the terrorist organization aka American Taliban aka Teaparty.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)though she WAS the "co-president" at the time.
You remember their campaign...."Two for the Price of One"?
randys1
(16,286 posts)board!!!!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)It's a dismissal.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)country. Already got non voters registered in NY by the 9th who haven't before. Bernie is a benefit to the Dem party. Their memberships was down by 10% but with new people registering as Dems to get Bernie elected, that should help boost the membership of the party again.
frylock
(34,825 posts)but don't hold her responsible for policies enacted by her husband that she is on record as having supported.
randys1
(16,286 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)but I do appreciate the non-sequitur.
randys1
(16,286 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)But let's try and stay on topic here and maybe answer the question I posed to you.
randys1
(16,286 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)The person who's views haven't changed from 1/19/2009 to today, or the person who's views shift to rationalize their candidate favoring conservative policy?
TheBlackAdder
(28,202 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Say it like you said it to me.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)is using that term sickens me. It is a dog whistle term.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)You should apologize that was the wrong thing to do. Do you understand what that image means? I think it was a mean thing to do. It hurt a lot of people.
frylock
(34,825 posts)emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)in a personal internet feud?
You posted a picture of Alabama whites using high-pressure >>fire hoses<< to attack African American high-school students cuz you haz a sad?
Maybe next time you can find some pictures of the police using police dogs to attack black men, women and children from the Birmingham campaign. Those would probably very effective in settling scores with African American DU'ers. <sarcasm>
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Hey wait a minute...
Oh.
frylock
(34,825 posts)emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and has been, for Democrats anyhow, for a long time?
How about Ann Richards, Bill Clinton's part in this? Any objection, any support, anythng?
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)A self-identified person of color who is also a member of this group, I'd say that's pretty fucking important. One picture was hidden but the other was not. I sent a message to skinner about it but I do not know what else to do.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Frylock just stated that he posted those pictures to teach Bravenak a lesson and included his little SJW insult in the process. It's right here in the thread in black and white. If somebody doesn't do something them this place is pure hate top to bottom.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Don't expect anything but burbling noises, head bobbing, guano, and a victory dance.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Funny how that works.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Or this. Funny how that works
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I love it.
Nitram
(22,802 posts)Can you cite one iota of evidence that Hillary Clinton had any role in Bill Clinton's decision to sign the bill? If not, you're just looking for cheap shots.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I said she SUPPORTED Bill's policies, and very publicly. In any case, should her tenure as First Lady be used to tout her qualifications as president or not?
Nitram
(22,802 posts)That said, you can't turn it around and assume FLOTUS supported every bill her husband signed. Your really stretching this one, Fry.
frylock
(34,825 posts)why do Hillary supporters continue to gloss over her record?
Nitram
(22,802 posts)...sending radioactive waste to Texas. Where did you find that?
frylock
(34,825 posts)my original post, admittedly, was more of a comment in general to that poster, i.e. welfare reform, NAFTA, tough-on-crime bills, etc.
Nitram
(22,802 posts)Jut blowing smoke up our butts again. Lame Fry, really lame.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)thing on his behalf, having not signed it herself. Cake, then eat it too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)When Bill Clinton did something good, Hillary takes credit for it. When Bill Clinton did something bad, it was totally not her fault.
randys1
(16,286 posts)onenote
(42,704 posts)without mentioning that it passed by a veto-proof margin.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Same with Glass Steagall. He didn't have to sign it. Presidents sign laws they agree with.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)If it's going to pass no matter what, why take their side and go down in history as supporting it? That's basically saying "So many republicans approve of this bill that I have no choice but to sign it" which is bullshit.
I'd prefer a president who lets principles decide whether a bills deserves to be signed.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)onenote
(42,704 posts)What they do -- and what Clinton did -- is not hold a signing ceremony or do anything to draw attention to or signify support for a bill that they don't necessarily support. The reasons for this are varied. If the bill has divided the President's own party, it is one way to split the difference.
In this case, it wasn't that "so many republicans supported it" -- it was that there was a split with more Democrats (plus Bernie) supporting it than opposing it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)His name will be on it forever as a signer.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Let Republicans OWN the really bad things.
Democrats don't have to be so bipartisan all of the time (even on the really bad things).
Let Republicans override the veto and OWN IT!
Elected Democrats should do that EVERY SINGLE TIME there is legislation pending that isn't good for the nation and that their supporters/base do not support. Doing this will give people the notion that they are fighting for us no matter what, and that is something that has been missing from the Democratic Party for decades now.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The location was to be in a poor community where most of the people have limited English skills, and cannot understand what's being done to them. That's Texas in a nut shell.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)disposal plants.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)They will pull this crap almost anywhere people have little political power, and need jobs. Prisons, waste dumps, fertilizer plants... whatever nobody else wants in their back yard.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)-maybe your sugar is low.
luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Dr. Doolittle
(43 posts)and hopefully it will be Bernie. It's not over, not by a long shot.
onenote
(42,704 posts)I have a suggestion: when posting in the primaries forum, be specific as to whether you're posting about Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)That's why it's in GD : P.
onenote
(42,704 posts)Which is that OPs in the primaries forum should distinguish between Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton since one is a candidate in the primaries, and one isnt.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with these Corporate Funded talking points so we don't get anymore Swift Boating of good Democratic candidates.
If absolutely belongs here, it is about BERNIE and Bill who apparently signed the bill and Ann Richards.
This ought to end this particular attempt at a smear.
But tomorrow no doubt there will be another. And we will be ready to correct the record AGAIN.
onenote
(42,704 posts)First, by referring to Clinton, it creates the impression that it is about Hillary Clinton not Bill.
Second, it reinforces that misimpression by being stated in the present tense when its discussing something that occurred 18 years ago (which is why I don't find it particularly relevant as to either Bernie's campaign or H.Clinton's campaign).
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...it is relevant to the campaign because Hillary Clinton supporters have used it to smear Sanders. Had they not done so, it would not have been discussed in the first place.
Clinton supporters do not get to say "oh that's not relevant" after they brought it to our attention in the first place.
No I am not addressing you with that statement -- you say you are a Bernie supporter and I take you at your word. But you seem a bit confused as to the sequence of events regarding this topic.
onenote
(42,704 posts)I know the sequence of events and I know why the OP was posted and don't have any objection to it being posted. I just think, as a matter of accuracy and clarity, that titling the OP as "Bill Clinton Pulled the Trigger on Minority Community Okays Sending Radioactive Waste to Texas" would have been more appropriate. (Frankly, if I had been the one writing the OP, I probably would have simply titled it "Bill Clinton Signed the Law on Clearing the Way for the Construction of the Nuclear Waste Dump in Sierra Bianca)."
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)Not Hillary and Bill.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)This is in response to an issue raised in the primary campaign and discussed in GD-P. Seems pretty straight forward.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)As mentioned in the first paragraph, Bill Clinton issued an executive order that allows people in minority communities to challenge the EPA permit process if the permit is being granted without adequate consideration of issues like forcing polluting industries onto poor and minority communities. I'm not sure if the "environmental justice" executive order can be used to challenge Sierra Blanca, since it would be DOE, not EPA, doing the permit. I will try to find some more info.
On edit: There appears to be no formal appeal under Clinton's executive order. Senator Paul Wellstone is a hero of the struggle, something I did not find surprising. The state gave up on the Sierra Blanc site, and is looking at another location. The University of Michigan law school has a synopsis of the case here: http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/blanca.html
Catherina
(35,568 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with all the Corporate money that is flowing into the Super Pacs that do the dirty work of trying, and it's hard work re Bernie, to land a blow to one of the best candidates we've had in a long time.
Great post, thanks for setting the record straight.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)Some people struggle with that concept. Also, people here don't have a problem blaming the Iraq War on Hillary. There is a bit of hypocrisy in your post.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The claim from your side is Sanders inflicted radioactive waste on poor Latinos.
Problem is, it was their governor who was asking for the waste. Which was conveniently left out of the attacks on Sanders.
Guess what? It doesn't have to be Hillary Clinton's actions to make the attack false.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)I haven't taken sides and did not claim "Sanders inflicted radioactive waste on poor Latinos."
I pointed out hypocrisy of the OP on other matters.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)and Latinos, is a big fat lie, being pushed, pushed, pushed by HRC supporters.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Good thing she has a strong man like Bill to do all of the thinking for her.
Unless it's something that Bill did that we don't like, then it's the woman's fault.
Thanks for clearing that up, OP.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's about clearing the record on a smear on Sanders posted (and hidden) earlier.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)True.
But Hillary has so little political experience that it's almost impossible to find things she had much to do with.
Still, it's good idea to blast lies about Sanders and get the record straight.
randys1
(16,286 posts)any cons thinking of voting for Hillary.
Put an end to that right quick!
The agenda to destroy the Democratic Party's leading candidate is CLEAR.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Expecting candidate supporters to roll over while their candidate is unfairly trashed isn't particularly rational.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)nuclear waste we have to dispose of.
Here is another interesting item on Hillary and nuclear energy.
The US agreed to build two nuclear power stations and supply sophisticated weaponry to India when Hillary Clinton visited New Delhi.
. . . .
But the deal focuses on defence and civil nuclear energy agreements which could be worth more than $40 billion to American companies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/5872836/Hillary-Clinton-US-to-build-nuclear-plants-in-India.
And then there is the Russian uranium deal that Hillary signed off on while in the State Department. Coincidentally, money flowed into the Clinton Foundation, . . . . . . . . well, I'll let you read it for yourselves. Here is just a tidbit:
At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.
Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clintons wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium Ones chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
. . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
Who really thinks that Hillary is more electable than Bernie?
Cause if you do, I've got a foundation I would like to show you.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I blush to remember there was a time I vehemently defended the Clintons, long before, during and long after the Lewinski affair. How naive I was.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)Thanks for the thread, Catherina.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Has a nice ring to it in your op. Many have warm feeling when thinking about the Big Dog.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And wasn't Sanders wife appointed to this commission?
valerief
(53,235 posts)riversedge
(70,234 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)If a member of congress votes for something, say an IWR (in order to strengthen our position at the UN, say), then the president flaunts the UN and invades a country anyway, is it fair to say the Senator was responsible for the war? -At the least, no more responsible than Bernie was for voting to send toxic waste to a TX community of color, right?
Following that logic, maybe it's fair to let Bernie skate on this one.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Thank you for bringing up Haiti, Bill Clinton destroyed the livelihood of farmers, since( HRC supporters will say he not running) HRC during her tenure as SOS, pushed Haiti to keep their minimum wage low so American corporations could benefit ( think about that you next time you wear your Levis jeans)
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Yeah, that same sleazy brother with a long history of selling his connection.
Tony's the more svelte one in green. The other brother is Hugh
If it's not Hugh Rodham pocketing $400,000 selling presidential pardons, it's Tony and the gold mines stolen from the starving Haitian people through the Clinton Foundation.
More here: Role of Hillary Clintons brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows
What the Clintons did in Haiti is a black stain on America, from the rice war to the sweatshop factories, to manipulating the elections to install a compliant cocaine-addict as President.
Yes sir,
http://sfbayview.com/2015/08/plan-lanmo-the-death-plan-the-clintons-foreign-aid-and-ngos-in-haiti/
Just feel the love for Black people.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Haiti has became a neo-liberal experiment where the very very small portion of the population controls all buddies with the Clinton (mevs, Bulous, Apaid, Baker )
All Haiti got from the Clinton foundation was a freakin luxury hotel where only a few lucky few benefit
840high
(17,196 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)You know, the more you show facts they go tone deaf and blind right.
Thank You for the post.
Autumn
(45,092 posts)Boom and out come the rest of the story.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bernie is.
Hillary is not Bill
riversedge
(70,234 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)This post is about a story being used to smear Sanders. Turns out the people posting the story left out a lot of important details. As usual.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... is that your point?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Because you know the little lady doesn't have a mind of her own. These sexist post are starting to get annoying.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Response to Catherina (Original post)
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Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts). . . of some men's hair club.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)That would be Clinton.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,825 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)What is misleading is the bullshit claiming that Bernie wanted to dump waste on Hispanics. Will you ask for that bullshit to be deleted?
Autumn
(45,092 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)but back then I was very young, politically uniformed and thought they were the good guys because the other guys were so obviously bad. How foolish I was.