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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Has Encounter with a Homeless Citizen
Bernie Sanders has Encounter with Homeless CitizenA country like this should not have a single homeless person.
And no Veteran should be living on the streets.
But our Wars have to constantly funded and Wall St bailed out and those Mega Corporations need Subsidies.
The ONLY candidate in this race that I believe will at least put up a fight for the people, is Bernie Sanders.
He cares about people ...
I'm beginning to think we do not deserve him ...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That is what it would cost. Well probably less than that. Homelessness wouldn't be a thing. Housing should be considered a right. It's shocking how people think so little of others who struggle with mental health issues, poverty, and disabilities.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)its in ALL of ours best interests to solve the homeless problem.
I love the Housing First initiative.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/housing-first-solution-to-homelessness-utah
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It is so true that you need housing to overcome persistent mental health issues. Even with permanent housing the issues can be persistent and that is okay too, it's not like people chose to become mentally ill in most cases it's from trauma and now there are those that think those with mental illness should prove their worth to get housing.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I can't take credit for discovering this, I first read about it here on DU...
But I'm happy to give this thread another kick and hopefully more eyes on the Housing First initiative.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)This is the reality. I'm voting for the candidate who faces it head on, not just indirectly after hosting a focus group.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Good on Bernie.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)oh, here's another one
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/larry-deprimo-nypd-cop-gives-homeless-boots_n_2209178.html
yay another good deed with no strings attached
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/11/officer-buys-diapers-and-shoes-for-homeless-mother-caught-shoplifting-for-her-kids/
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and fails to recognize the good many, many others have done.
Bernie is not the be all, end all of goodness being doing. As for the OP....its anecdotal, we don't even know if it real. At least I provided verifiable proof of others helping homeless people.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I'm sure the kids loved the rocks you handed out at Halloween.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)nastiness. Shame on you.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and pouring the love on Bernie as if what he did was extraordinary in some way, as if it wasn't it's being done all the time by many many peopl. At least I was able to provide verification of real people doing good. All the OP did was relate an unverifiable, anecdotal story.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)why are there news stories about other people doing it? News stories don't usually cover things "being done all the time by many many peopl"...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and frankly I don' know why else the media wants to print warm stories about others and not our politicians, do you?
bvf
(6,604 posts)waldo.c
(43 posts)Sabrina, you're right. The nation that:
* initiated and perpetrated the war of terror on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia
* sponsored and ran the School of the Americas, which trained and encouraged torture and murder across South America
* sponsored, funded, armed and supported dictators and brutal regimes in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Salvador, Mexico, Panama, Peru
and this is to name just a few of the heinous military crimes of America over the last 60 years; and which elected the obscenely ignorant G.W. Bush twice doesn't deserve a man of such exceptional integrity, as upright, honest and moral as Bernie Sanders, as President.
If Bernie gets elected I'll go back to church because a merciful God will have to exist.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)
I'd rather vote for the cop that bought shoes for the homeless than for Bernie.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are badly needed in our political system. Maybe we could convince him to run.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Give him the chance to finally gets some importantmlaws sponsored and passed into law
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Now that it's been pointed out to Bernie and other Bernie supporters how few bills he actually sponsored and got passed into law while in the House, perhaps he can step things up and get much accomplished if he stays there.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and it's making you look silly.
here, a little lesson:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Emphasis not mine. You even capitalized "House" in your first post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and since the Senate is also one of the Houses, and in the context we were talking about Bernie, it was clear I was referring to the Senate as the House in my post. The fact that some don't know their politics well, and tried to find fault where none existed (but in their own minds), can only be the fault of those with the poor knowledge.
The types of verbalizations that says, " budget, war etc)....passed by both Houses", isn't new and isn't rare. You can protect your personal interpretation of your quote, but it in no way does it make my statement wrong. In a rush to try and find fault, it was just one more reason for Bernie supporters to gang-smear a term they were not familiar with.
Rather than admitting a mistake, learning from it and moving on, you double down and in the end make yourself look silly.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)You didn't say "both Houses" originally, you used a singular House, and you capitalized it. I don't think this was any misinterpretation on my part, but deliberate maligning of Sanders to imply he should be demoted. Perhaps to imply he has a lower position that he actually does.
Regardless, it is clear that you are here to mislead and distort, and I do not wish to discuss this issue with such a person any more. Good Bye.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)that when I originally said House you would assume I mean Congress.
If there is anyone here misleading, its the OP and it's you implying that because you didn't realize there were two houses, that I was somehow to fault for that.
You need to figure this out before continuing down the path of blaming others for your ignorance of the subject matter.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)You are the one who is confused and ignorant. Congress can refer to either or both the House and the Senate. If you had said Congress there would be no issue. The problem is you said "the House" which can not be taken to mean Congress or to mean The Senate.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you didn't even know he was a Senator, no wonder you have no idea of his record.
Your continuing personal attacks, lame though they are, with no other substantive contributions, do not speak well for YOUR candidate. Who was never in the House btw.
Not to be personal or anything but to post on a Political forum and be taken seriously, it helps to know the difference between the House and Senate.
If I were you, I would spend some time studying our system of government.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)so tell me....if his second stint was not in the Senate, what was the other house?
here, a little lesson:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
artislife
(9,497 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Common or not, it's not for me to determine what you think is common and word my posts based on what I think you know. The term "both houses" I do believe is NOT that uncommon. I am surprised that so many on this thread didn't know that.
It would be encumbant on you and your compadres to not use snark in these types of circumstances, and maybe even admit an error when you are clearly proven wrong, rather than pile on and continue to justify your error.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)why would you assume I meant the Congressional one? Oh, right, never mind, you just love to assume mistakes and jump right on them. Gives you a sense of that all elusive superiority....even when you are wrong. lol
If I were you I'd spend less time trying to find fault in others. It makes you look petty.
as for lessons...here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Response to Sheepshank (Reply #30)
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WIProgressive88
(314 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and pretend that only Bernie does any spontaneous good in the world. There are plent of good people and I have given verifuable proof of that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Choosing not to use the available options in favor of thread-jaccking, says you don't.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)as for thread jacking.......as soon as you are just as concerned when you and you compadres hijack positive Hillary threads, I may consider this a real concern of yours.
ps did you notice my corrections of your concerns over the House? i just wanted to make sure you realized you were wrong and your snarky reponses to me, trying to imply I'm stupid, was pretty off base.
thanks.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)with Abraham Lincoln. Is any further proof needed that a divinity shapes our ends, 'rough hew them how we will'?
Will the divinity intervene twice in the affairs of this benighted land? That is the question.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ms liberty
(8,578 posts)Have any experience in the day to day business of politics and government? Do they have a thorough grasp of how legislation is made? Do they have proposals for policies to start addressing the very serious problems we're facing in this country? They are welcome to run whether they have any of the aforementioned attributes, but are they even interested? Probably not. But Bernie is interested and is running. That he is also a kind, caring and thoughtful human is a plus, and something I appreciate. It says a lot about you that you chose to be ugly in this thread.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)being sewn by children in Mexico at $.07 an hour...
does NOT deserve to be president.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)Something for which you had no thought of reward? But you did it anyway because it was the right thing to do?
Just wondering...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)no.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)deed done by someone getting shit on by posters is about as low as it goes. He never publicized it and there are many stories out there. I have yet to hear a story like this about Clinton.
One practices what their beliefs suggest and the other doesn't have the urge. One gets my vote, the other doesn't.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Hillary even walked down a street that may have a homeless person on it?
Z
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)Bernie apparently can do it and so can cops, as another Hillary supporter so kindly pointed out.
Z
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That's fine, that doesn't make it less rediculous.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)that is for all of America. So, I'm asking, when is the last time she ever walked on street and talked to real live (not planted) honest to goodness working poor? All I'm asking for is one example. After all Hillary supporter made fun of Bernie buying boots for a homeless person, what has Hillary done lately?
Z
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I actually commended Bernie for his actions.
You can keep trying to paint with a broad brush but it's just not going to work here, that person isn't me. Sorry.
I don't know when the last time Hillary did this was, I do know she has a plan to improve the situation when it comes to wealth inequality. And I believe she will take action on her plan and make it happen. A higher minimum wage is a great step as is working to create more jobs for people who are unemployed which in turn may cause homelessness. This is a wealthy nation, there is no reason people should be out on the streets.
Considering that this story is 5 years old I don't think we need to spend time seeing who did this more recently? I don't see how that's important, I think it's important to know we have great candidates.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and demonstrated in doing so, that we don't have to forget to be just people regardless of who we support.
I appreciate those Hillary supporters, including you, who were able to that.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)that she supports trade policies that will give her lots more of them to care about.
So there!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the 1%, the billionaires give millions to her foundation, her campaign and even give money to her personal fortune. She may honestly feel bad about us in the 99% but not to the point of taxing her friends. This is a class war and she is a member of the 1% class. She says she is for social justice but has stumbled along that road. She supports fracking because oil profits are more important than drinking water, Hello!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)She is wealthy.
Does that prohibit her from being a good president? If you think it does I suggest you review American presidential history... No that doesn't make it "right" or "wrong" but it certainly shows that wealthy people can be amazing presidents.
delrem
(9,688 posts)(I like your attitude and posting style, by the way. I just strongly disagree with your political choices.)
It is the wrongheaded distinction between "social justice" and "economic justice" that SOME (I shout the word because I want to make it clear that I don't mean "all" very prolific and ... bullying ... Hillary supporters have been pushing on DU for over 6 months now.
I never came across such a distinction before Hillary Clinton's campaign seems to have invented it for this primary.
After all, money is a means of exchange between humans so is in essence "social". Not something different. So the distinction - pushed for political reasons - is fundamentally false. It is fundamentally divisive and non-constructive. There is going to at least be a synchronicity of factors that need to be addressed, if not actual causal factors.
What makes this false distinction worrisome to me is that so many of Clinton's supporters have been pushing it so vehemently on DU - a few of the most aggressive going so far as to say that economic justice doesn't even matter to them because they're rich enough already and wouldn't get anything, personally, from a concentration on providing economic justice to the less advantaged. Obviously people with such attitudes ("I've got mine, Jack - so fuck off!" will always exist -- what's worrisome is that this line of argument is actually being pushed, on DU, by Dems who brag that their candidate has LOTS of money and who taunt the opposition with catcalls of "You can't win without money, losers!".
It doesn't make for a wholesome combination, Agschmid.
In a two party system where one party (R) is made up of out-and-out freaks, yet has support from a massive percentage of the overall population, so where any hope at all has to come from the remaining party (D), I find it worrisome that even in that remaining party a large proportion denigrate something so basic as economic justice. Denigrate economic justice as being, at best, not realistic - not pragmatic - to be left off the table when negotiating with the freaks (R's) because the freaks would never comply.
Then there's the matter of war, war profiteering and investment banking.
Very worrisome.
Anyway, I very much doubt that Hillary Clinton or any Clinton has had much contact with the homeless or impoverished, except for maybe a photo-op, over the past few decades. But that's just my guess.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and then there's little piece of foolishness: *I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him*
zalinda
(5,621 posts)don't deserve Hillary. The only employment she will provide is for young people to join the military so she fight wars to show how tough she is.
and then there's little piece of foolishness: *I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him*
Sheepshank
You're right, some of you probably don't.
Z
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)It's unfortunate that you have not looked further into the viability of Bernie's unrealistic promises and agenda.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)I've also looked into Hillary's (what there is of it). And I also looked into their histories. Bernie has been steadfast in his beliefs and is not afraid to fight for them. Hillary, it seems only fights for herself. She apparently hasn't found a war she doesn't like. I wonder if her own daughter or granddaughter were at risk would she be so gun ho. Why are her children more important than the children of Libya? "We came, we saw, he died", sent chills of dread up my spine.
Bernie had done what he said he would do, his entire career. And, if he couldn't get it done this time, he tried to get it done another time. He works to try to find a way, even with Republicans, like what he did for the Veterans. I trust him. I trust that he will do the job to the best of his ability.
I trust Hillary to keep us in perpetual war.
Z
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Read and listen to her words. She talks a good game. However, if you will notice, she never makes a commitment. She is a well oiled political machine, designed to speak words to get her way.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)Why? Why is wanting to help others an extreme and unrealistic political position?
See, that's pretzel logic, a perversion of what is right that elevates the expedient over the moral.
It's time we brought some real ideals back to DC.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the ones I linked to are verifiable.
I don't doubt this feel good story makes some think "We dont deserve him..." mentality, but I do believe that type of deification is best served when the story is verifiably real.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with positive comments recognizing a good deed and willing to acknowledge it.
The other poster reflects badly on his/her candidate.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, sabrina.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, sabrina!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)or kiss babies! Besides, Vermont's a small white state and, er, something. This letter was faked by the anti Clinton media cabal!
Too honest to be president.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)How many homeless could be housed and fed for the price of one useless fighter plane that will not perform to expectations...after many years and many billions of dollars?
GO, BERNIE!!!
This is why he's got my vote. Period.
The lack of humanity in this country is staggering and Bernie's cup overfloweth.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)Here we have a kindhearted man, working tirelessly his entire life for the people, taking on another tireless campaign to give us a rare opportunity to dig the country out of the mess we're in. And what do we do? A large number of us shit on him, makeup up crazy scandals, etc., some on this very thread. Some even go as far as accusing him of being in it for selfish reasons (mostly on the "other" site, but I think I've seen it here even.
So no, we don't deserve him. Yet, we have to try hard anyway. Sometimes, people (in this case America) can get things they don't deserve.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I think some don't. I think the majority of Americans have been deserving him for a long long time.
Let's git-r-done!
George II
(67,782 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)wasn't Bernie arrested in Chicago as a college student for demonstrating in favor of decent housing? The humanitarian side of him runs deep.
K&R
Armstead
(47,803 posts)THis is from an article in the 80's by someone who tagged along one nightwhile Mayor Sanders and an alderman were out visiting constituents, just to talk to them to see if they had any problems or concerns....
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-mayor/407413/
An elderly woman answers Sanders knock this time. When he asks if shes got any complaints, she answers precisely in French-accented English. The recent state reappraisal of real estate values has increased her taxes over a thousand dollars a year, she points out, but her income has remained the same. She owns the house and lets her granddaughter and her children live next door for nothing, so it doesnt help that the state says that the apartment can be rented on the open market for $300-$500 a month. I cant put my great-grandchildren out in the street, just to get the rent money to pay the taxes, she explains. Im a widow, my husband died, so all I have is my social security. My granddaughter cant work. She has problems.
The Mayor shakes his head and bites his lower lip. He is listening.
The alderman speaks up. He reminds the woman of Vermonts property tax rebate program, which surely she must qualify for. Sanders seems to have drifted into a melancholy that deepens as the woman explains how hard it is for her to heat her house in winter, how frightened she is of the effect the new condominiums going up on the other side of the park will have on her taxes, how worried she is about tripping on the sections of the sidewalk ripped up for the new gas main....
Thabault stands by the door, clipboard in hand, taking notes. Ill get that rebate information for you, he assures her in a low voice.
She murmurs, I dont take welfare.
The mayor says, Its not welfare. Its money that never should have been taken from you in the first place, for Gods sake.
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Sanders finally ended his tour at the St. Johns Club. Its an old-fashioned neighborhood political clubhouse...Sanders sat down at a table, sipped at a bottle of beer and explained to a small group of voters from the neighborhood, men and women of various ages, all of them working people, how the state property-tax rebate works, assuring them that if their annual income is below $35,000, they can quality for a rebate. These folks are householders barely holding on to their houses, and they need to know what Sanders is telling them, so they listen intently.
Its more a private than a public occasion, but Sanderss intensity, heating up as he speaks, is unmodulated and is almost inappropriate.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people can lose homes they have paid due to ever increasing property taxes. It happened, ALMOST, to my husband's grandmother except she had family to help her out. Not everyone does.
You should make it an OP, I get the feeling Bernie really deeply cares about the people he works for, and loves doing what he does and really works hard to try to be a help to them.
It is so rare in a politician. And why I support him.
wial
(437 posts)we'd have a vibrant street counterculture on our hands, people demanding bike lanes and crosswalks, all sorts of new social ills! Soon enough, public transport, parks, gestalt understanding of the issues of our day, new forms of music corrupting the values of the youth. It would be anathema and Reagan worked so hard to put a stop to it by flooding the cities with mentally ill people who needed care. I'm sure he shed a tear or two over that! Aren't things much more tidy now except for the occasional dying bum?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Skinner once said "We Hillary supporters need to be better than everyone else".
You guys keep it classy!
delrem
(9,688 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I stay out of positive Hillary threads because I see no reason to ruin it for her supporters.
It seems like such a simple gesture, everyone should try it tomorrow - just for shits and giggles.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I think a good word to keep in mind when talking about "supporters" of whatever candidate, is 'some'.
I don't think anyone has a right to simply generalize from the post of one or some to any kind of "all".
I'd be in total despair if I made that kind of thing a practice!
We should continue to discuss memes, though - for example I've been yakking about the false "social/economic justice" dichotomy that's been floated on DU for the past several months by some supporters of Hillary Clinton.
Re. the Hillary Supporter's burden post, I kinda take issue with this assertion:
"And speaking of people who bring nothing positive to the discussion: There are a few Bernie Sanders supporters here on DU who have been utterly dismissive of the legitimate concerns of large segments of the Democratic base. Their attitude is totally human but also completely antithetical to their candidate's efforts to broaden his appeal within the Democratic party. I isn't "fair" but it is a good thing that that type of behavior would NEVER be permitted from a Hillary supporter here on DU, because that type of behavior is a huge turn-off and would not help Hillary in the slightest."
I say the person ought to lay it down - exactly what these "legitimate concerns of a large segments of the Democratic base" are, that "Bernie Sanders supporters" are "utterly dismissive of".
But, slyly, the person didn't.
I've got a "concern". David Brock - his PAC that does online activity only, so it can exploit a loophole and coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton's campaign. That's a "legitimate concern". I don't complain about Hillary Clinton supporters being utterly dismissive of my concern.
If the person has a "legitimate concern" that "Bernie Sanders supporters here on DU" haven't been addressing, the person should lay it down and not just complain about vague "Bernie Sanders supporters" by innuendo.
Like, Go to the mirror.
kenn3d
(486 posts)They will smear him, because they fear him.
We must lift him up.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And I fear you may be right- we don't deserve him.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)some of the stuff that I've seen, right here, and can imagine what goes on to try to stop him, and us among those in power, why would anyone want to make this a better country until a vast majority are as willing as he is to start standing up when someone like him comes along once in a lifetime.
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WillyT
(72,631 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's a good story about him.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)I dropped all my douchebag friends after meeting the woman whom I eventually married, but there was one friend I had and one night we were walking through Downtown Raleigh...
We passed an alley and there was a homeless guy down there. I remarked how I wondered why he didn't go to a shelter? And then stated maybe the shelter's full.
Well my friend then replies, "He shouldn't have ended up homeless to begin with."
I then explained to him, "You know most homeless people don't CHOOSE to become homeless right? And most of them end up there because of circumstances beyond their control?"
He was weak minded and had very little will to argue with ANYONE whenever they retorted to his comments. He would reply, "Yeah I guess." all the time. Drove me nuts.
Anyways, that former friend was a cokehead last time I checked. I wonder if the homeless comment he made will come full circle? I don't wish that on anyone mind you but... ya know.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the future. I bet he will!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)I'm told voting for her is for our own good, but, lol, really no one actually believes that shit.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)If this is true, then good on Bernie.
The above-quoted story is difficult to verify since details such as the name of the shoe store, the name of the employee who handled the sale, and the identity of the homeless man are unknown. Additionally, Bernie Sanders has not commented on his alleged good deed, and the photographs included most popular iteration of the tale are completely unrelated to the story.
While it's possible that the events described in this Facebook post are accurate, it should also be noted that the message's author is relaying a second-hand account of something that took place five years ago and was told to him by someone else. Bernie Sanders may have once purchased winter boots for a homeless man, but this anecdote by itself is not proof that such an event ever took place.
http://www.snopes.com/winter-at-bernies/
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Like taking the man into a real estate office and buying him a new house.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)I'll just assume it's true and stick to my 'Good on Bernie'.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)fodder for the other side to mock. It makes them so happy to mock something like this. A little humanity goes a long way when it comes to Presidential politics, but in this day and age, there are far too many who find their entertainment in trolling stories like this, looking for hints of weakness. That bothers me a lot. Some people find great sport in finding items to shoot the other candidate down, and dance on the flaming rubble.
Some times politics reminds me of Team sports. People are into their candidates like they are into their chosen sports team. The other side could have really great plays, but the die hard fan will only mock and make fun of them, and look for weaknesses. If they can shut down the conversation they will. IF the other team makes a great play, they will poo poo it, and say anyone could do that! They will never give any credit to the opposing team.. to do so makes them feel weak.
Fox News before it was news, was Fox sports. Its amazing to see how much professional sports left its mark on those on the News side. Make the other side LOOK BAD, AT all cost!!
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)such misiable voter turn out not only do we not deserve him we deserve what we get .
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Response to JDPriestly (Reply #79)
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2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Since she copies everything Bernie does, she will have to hold her nose and do something for a homeless person. It will be a major news story. Lol
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)This is a beautiful and sad story, and I will not be a part of smearing this gentleman in any way or form.
K&R.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)There may be disagreement on candidates, but I can't believe anyone who would call themselves a Democrat would criticize the homeless, or disparage anyone who treats the homeless with dignity and respect.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)when in fact it takes a strong person to simply be honest and we don't see enough of it lately, so I do appreciate it when I find it.
back at you!
LWolf
(46,179 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)Every time I learn something new about Bernie, I like him more. He's a good guy and he'll be a good president because he actually cares about us all.
I mean, that is SUCH a different feeling. I can't say that about my elected officials, because they care some, but nothing like that.
If more of us were like Bernie this would be a hell of a lot better place.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)In wintertime a guy sees a homeless man who does not have good shoes. He takes the man into a shoe store and buys him winter boots. And then, even though the guy is an elected official, he doesn't make a big deal out of it, pound his chest and say, "hey, look what I did." He just lets it be and goes on with his life.
You might dismiss it as a 'feel good piece' that lacks 'factual' credibility. OK. But have you ever been down? I mean really down, in a situation where the mercy and kindness of one person can literally make a life or death difference? See, the parasites, the oligarchs, have made this into a society where we're all supposed to be rugged individualists, mistrust each other, and question why we should use our 'heard earned' resources to help anyone less fortunate. We've had 40 years of propaganda to that effect.
And yet here's a fellow who buys a homeless guy some shoes. This is not the first story like this that I've heard about Bernie, and since I've heard a few, I tend to believe them.
I mean, think this through with me, will you? On the one hand, we have Bernie who reached out when he didn't have to, out of his own pocket and helped a homeless guy. What does this say about Sanders' character? Now, compare that with the other candidates on both sides. Think about who you trust to take care of you and your family when elected.
This is one of many, many reasons that I'm such a staunch supporter of Bernie Sanders. He's good people. And he'll be a good president.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I've heard other stories like this re Bernie also.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and I share what I have, and can do ...all the time.
so the speshulness of Bernie buying shoes is lost on me because (1) I don't find it all that speshul since so very very many people do this without the secret story getting leaked out (2) not even sure this is a true story and (3) if by any chance it were a true story, how does an act of kindness elevate Bernie to the saintly status of "We don't even deserve him" as stated in the OP. It's ludicrous.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)running for president, I suspect you wouldn't have a problem with people posting stories about it later on as a character reference.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)which is inappriopriate and way too over the line of fawning imho. So while anectodal stories are fine, real ones are better without the wierdness overtones.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Bernblu
(441 posts)America would be lucky to have Bernie as there president.