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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:04 PM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Has Encounter with a Homeless Citizen

Bernie Sanders has Encounter with Homeless Citizen




A country like this should not have a single homeless person.

And no Veteran should be living on the streets.

But our Wars have to constantly funded and Wall St bailed out and those Mega Corporations need Subsidies.

The ONLY candidate in this race that I believe will at least put up a fight for the people, is Bernie Sanders.

He cares about people ...

I'm beginning to think we do not deserve him ...


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Bernie Sanders Has Encounter with a Homeless Citizen (Original Post) sabrina 1 Nov 2015 OP
50 cents out of every pay check Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
This should transcend every party line riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #3
This deserves it's own thread. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #7
+1 dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #13
Aw, I would but it's been posted before on DU riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #51
Amen.... daleanime Nov 2015 #15
Too many people can't afford less than what Senator Sanders will try to do Babel_17 Nov 2015 #2
It's a good story. Agschmid Nov 2015 #4
yup. zappaman Nov 2015 #44
Cop buys shoes for Homeless Man...He should be next POTUS Sheepshank Nov 2015 #5
Did you have a point? sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #6
humph I could say where that point is likely located. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #8
Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #9
Yep lol 840high Nov 2015 #20
Only a souless person with 0 empathy would respond like that. Just like most conservatives litlbilly Nov 2015 #57
only a souless person assumes there is only one good deed being done in this big world Sheepshank Nov 2015 #92
Wow, Sheepshank! Nasty for the sake of being nasty. Nice work indeed. Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #11
Jeez. Even in a nice, positive thread, some people can't resist bringing in their childish WIProgressive88 Nov 2015 #16
Villifying kindness?? Fearless Nov 2015 #19
no not villifying, promoting the wide reach of kindness that isn't garnering OPs acknowledgment Sheepshank Nov 2015 #93
If it wasn't extraordinary druidity33 Nov 2015 #129
i imagine that it was in part to give PD a human face Sheepshank Nov 2015 #130
Any other compassionate deeds you care to mock? bvf Nov 2015 #22
*I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him* waldo.c Nov 2015 #25
bwahh haa haa haa haa haa the divine Bernie? "I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him" Sheepshank Nov 2015 #30
Is he running? I would like him to run for Congress. Kind people sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #50
You finally raise a good idea...keep Bernie in the House Sheepshank Nov 2015 #55
Bernie Sanders is a 2nd term U.S. Senator. n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #63
and your point? He actually served in both Houses n/t Sheepshank Nov 2015 #94
"Keep Bernie in the house" JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #105
yes...I agree. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #107
HE WORKS IN THE SENATE NOT THE HOUSE N/T JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #108
the senate IS one of the HOUSES. You're yelling but you are wrong Sheepshank Nov 2015 #109
Well if you want to quote Wikipedia JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #110
yes, The house of Representative is often referred to as the House. but maybe context would help Sheepshank Nov 2015 #111
. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #112
I didn't think I had to clarify for those with poor knowledge, Sheepshank Nov 2015 #113
I didn't assume you meant Congress JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #114
ffs....you are still looking to me to clarify your misunderstanding. too bad Sheepshank Nov 2015 #117
He isn't in the House! Wow! He's a US Senator who has an excellent legislative record. But then if sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #69
Exposed for the little knowledge he has. artislife Nov 2015 #78
I'm assuming you knew that Bernie served in BOTH houses...right? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #91
You said KEEP. Present tense, sheep, present tense. artislife Nov 2015 #98
and the Senate is one of the houses...present tense. n/t Sheepshank Nov 2015 #99
And yet, common usage would have us use Senate and House separately. nt artislife Nov 2015 #100
but I was correct..you and others had tried to portray me as a dumb fool. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #101
heh! ohhhhkay.... artislife Nov 2015 #118
there are two houses..right? He served in both houses. And yes, I knew he was currently a Senator. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #89
You need to hire an editor. pangaia Nov 2015 #76
alright, I'll get right on that. It very important to please the grammar police on DU. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #90
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #58
Why ruin a good thread with this crap? Seriously, what's your problem? WIProgressive88 Nov 2015 #67
this is not a good thread, it's ridiculous to assume an anectodal story is real Sheepshank Nov 2015 #96
Then ignore it .... alert on it. If you have a legitimate gripe, that should take care of it. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #102
Alert on what? What terms of service were broken? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #103
In 1860, at the worst moment in the country's history, she was graced KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #95
Good post, a lot of people are worried. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #104
Do either of the people in those stories you've linked to... ms liberty Nov 2015 #36
Clinton, for supporting jobs to Mexico creating homeless who cannot afford the shoes ... whereisjustice Nov 2015 #61
Happy to see that police officers are joining Bernie is helping homeless people. Good for them. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #80
So...have YOU ever done a good deed with no strings attached? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #123
like selling my house so that I could help pay for lifesaving medical procedures for someone? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #124
In your sig line, you spelled Stockholm incorrectly Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #138
people telling their experiences about a good roguevalley Nov 2015 #10
Hell, when do you think the last time zalinda Nov 2015 #18
This is a rediculous post. Agschmid Nov 2015 #27
So, when was the last time? zalinda Nov 2015 #39
I see you are going to double down. Agschmid Nov 2015 #41
I keep being told that she is this wonderful candidate zalinda Nov 2015 #45
Yah I'm not that same supporter who did that up thread. Agschmid Nov 2015 #46
Yes, you did, and thank you for doing so. As did a few other Hillary supporters which is nice to see sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #128
Thank you! Agschmid Nov 2015 #131
She cares so much about the homeless and poor JoeyT Nov 2015 #70
I think it brings out a point that some are in denial about. HRC is wealthy, she is a member of rhett o rick Nov 2015 #59
I'm not in denial that she is wealthy... Agschmid Nov 2015 #60
You want to know what might not be ridiculous, but is worrisome to me? delrem Nov 2015 #74
yup...as if only Bernie does good deeds that deserves his status as POTUS Sheepshank Nov 2015 #31
I, nor millions of other poor people zalinda Nov 2015 #43
You are wrong. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #56
I have looked into it. zalinda Nov 2015 #73
Look at her again SmittynMo Nov 2015 #87
I'm sorry, but WHY are they unrealistic? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #127
we don't even know if it's a real story, bro Sheepshank Nov 2015 #106
Yes, pretty low. But some of Hillary's supporters were gracious enough to also post in the thread sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #121
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #12
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #14
not true! du says Bernie's punctual because he never stops to talk to people Doctor_J Nov 2015 #17
He does things that matter, kissing babies is for show. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #21
K & R!!! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #23
This! Phlem Nov 2015 #24
One Would Agree cantbeserious Nov 2015 #26
We really don't a2liberal Nov 2015 #28
"I'm beginning to think we do not deserve him ..." passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #29
You're right....we don't. George II Nov 2015 #32
If I remember Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2015 #33
Another Bernie tale Armstead Nov 2015 #34
That's a wonderful story, and it does raise another shameful fact about how sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #40
Yeah but if we clean up the streets wial Nov 2015 #35
Kicking and rec'ing for all the HC supporters who pissed on this thread. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #37
Ah yes, the Hillary Supporter's burden, post. nt delrem Nov 2015 #75
Some of them were gracious. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #77
Likewise. delrem Nov 2015 #81
Kicked, and Shared to G+ kenn3d Nov 2015 #38
He seems like a truly decent and very smart man. TDale313 Nov 2015 #42
Yes, he is without a doubt a truly decent man. But I know we don't deserve him. Watching sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #84
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #48
Bernie is a good man - a mensch. MineralMan Nov 2015 #49
K & R L0oniX Nov 2015 #52
But that's SOSHIALISM!!!!! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #53
I remember when I used to have a friend... retrowire Nov 2015 #54
You are a caring person. Maybe he will remember what you said some time in sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #137
Hillary promises to create more homeless with war, jobs to Asia, Wall Street deregulation whereisjustice Nov 2015 #62
It Takes a Village postatomic Nov 2015 #64
I suspect of it was a fake, it would have been embellished Armstead Nov 2015 #65
Maybe, but my Spidey Senses are tingling postatomic Nov 2015 #68
I love these stories, its too bad they are yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #66
If we continue to see kacekwl Nov 2015 #71
Yes, we do. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #72
There is one word for it: moral. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #83
oh no, now Hillary will have to do this 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #82
K&R I'd rather put shoes on feet than boots on the ground. nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #85
I'm going to refrain from my normal snark on Senator Sanders. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #86
Thank you, that was a very nice comment! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #116
Disagreement doesn't have to be disrespectful. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #133
I agree. Still, in the heat of 'battle' people often feel they should avoid showing any 'weakness', sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #136
This is who he is. nt LWolf Nov 2015 #88
You don't hear stories like this about the other candidates. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #97
its a feel good piece lacking any factual credibility nt Sheepshank Nov 2015 #119
I don't even know how to reply to this. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #122
Beautiful post, thank you PatrickforO. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #125
yes I've been down. But I've also been very blessed Sheepshank Nov 2015 #126
If you were a public official and did things that were quiet and good...and were... Armstead Nov 2015 #132
"we don't deserve him", elevates that public official into some sort of sainthood Sheepshank Nov 2015 #134
Meh it's a campaign. ....people fawn during campaigns when they're enthusuastic about candidates Armstead Nov 2015 #135
Big K&R - This is an awesome story, not surprising, but awesome nevertheless. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #115
it's a great story! Bernblu Nov 2015 #120

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. 50 cents out of every pay check
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:10 PM
Nov 2015

That is what it would cost. Well probably less than that. Homelessness wouldn't be a thing. Housing should be considered a right. It's shocking how people think so little of others who struggle with mental health issues, poverty, and disabilities.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. This deserves it's own thread.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:32 PM
Nov 2015

It is so true that you need housing to overcome persistent mental health issues. Even with permanent housing the issues can be persistent and that is okay too, it's not like people chose to become mentally ill in most cases it's from trauma and now there are those that think those with mental illness should prove their worth to get housing.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
51. Aw, I would but it's been posted before on DU
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:46 PM
Nov 2015

I can't take credit for discovering this, I first read about it here on DU...

But I'm happy to give this thread another kick and hopefully more eyes on the Housing First initiative.



Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
2. Too many people can't afford less than what Senator Sanders will try to do
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015

This is the reality. I'm voting for the candidate who faces it head on, not just indirectly after hosting a focus group.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
92. only a souless person assumes there is only one good deed being done in this big world
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

and fails to recognize the good many, many others have done.

Bernie is not the be all, end all of goodness being doing. As for the OP....its anecdotal, we don't even know if it real. At least I provided verifiable proof of others helping homeless people.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
11. Wow, Sheepshank! Nasty for the sake of being nasty. Nice work indeed.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:23 PM
Nov 2015

I'm sure the kids loved the rocks you handed out at Halloween.

WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
16. Jeez. Even in a nice, positive thread, some people can't resist bringing in their childish
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:38 PM
Nov 2015

nastiness. Shame on you.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
93. no not villifying, promoting the wide reach of kindness that isn't garnering OPs acknowledgment
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:49 AM
Nov 2015

and pouring the love on Bernie as if what he did was extraordinary in some way, as if it wasn't it's being done all the time by many many peopl. At least I was able to provide verification of real people doing good. All the OP did was relate an unverifiable, anecdotal story.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
129. If it wasn't extraordinary
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

why are there news stories about other people doing it? News stories don't usually cover things "being done all the time by many many peopl"...



 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
130. i imagine that it was in part to give PD a human face
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:31 PM
Nov 2015

and frankly I don' know why else the media wants to print warm stories about others and not our politicians, do you?

 

waldo.c

(43 posts)
25. *I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him*
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:17 PM
Nov 2015

Sabrina, you're right. The nation that:

* initiated and perpetrated the war of terror on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia
* sponsored and ran the School of the Americas, which trained and encouraged torture and murder across South America
* sponsored, funded, armed and supported dictators and brutal regimes in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Salvador, Mexico, Panama, Peru

and this is to name just a few of the heinous military crimes of America over the last 60 years; and which elected the obscenely ignorant G.W. Bush twice doesn't deserve a man of such exceptional integrity, as upright, honest and moral as Bernie Sanders, as President.

If Bernie gets elected I'll go back to church because a merciful God will have to exist.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. bwahh haa haa haa haa haa the divine Bernie? "I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him"
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)

I'd rather vote for the cop that bought shoes for the homeless than for Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
50. Is he running? I would like him to run for Congress. Kind people
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:43 PM
Nov 2015

are badly needed in our political system. Maybe we could convince him to run.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
55. You finally raise a good idea...keep Bernie in the House
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:09 PM
Nov 2015

Give him the chance to finally gets some importantmlaws sponsored and passed into law

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
107. yes...I agree.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:23 PM
Nov 2015

Now that it's been pointed out to Bernie and other Bernie supporters how few bills he actually sponsored and got passed into law while in the House, perhaps he can step things up and get much accomplished if he stays there.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
109. the senate IS one of the HOUSES. You're yelling but you are wrong
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:50 PM
Nov 2015

and it's making you look silly.

here, a little lesson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States consisting of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
110. Well if you want to quote Wikipedia
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015
The House of Representatives is one of the two houses of the United States Congress (a bicameral legislature). It is frequently referred to as The House. The other house is the Senate.


Emphasis not mine. You even capitalized "House" in your first post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
111. yes, The house of Representative is often referred to as the House. but maybe context would help
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

and since the Senate is also one of the Houses, and in the context we were talking about Bernie, it was clear I was referring to the Senate as the House in my post. The fact that some don't know their politics well, and tried to find fault where none existed (but in their own minds), can only be the fault of those with the poor knowledge.

The types of verbalizations that says, &quot budget, war etc)....passed by both Houses", isn't new and isn't rare. You can protect your personal interpretation of your quote, but it in no way does it make my statement wrong. In a rush to try and find fault, it was just one more reason for Bernie supporters to gang-smear a term they were not familiar with.

Rather than admitting a mistake, learning from it and moving on, you double down and in the end make yourself look silly.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
112. .
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:08 PM
Nov 2015

You didn't say "both Houses" originally, you used a singular House, and you capitalized it. I don't think this was any misinterpretation on my part, but deliberate maligning of Sanders to imply he should be demoted. Perhaps to imply he has a lower position that he actually does.

Regardless, it is clear that you are here to mislead and distort, and I do not wish to discuss this issue with such a person any more. Good Bye.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
113. I didn't think I had to clarify for those with poor knowledge,
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:15 PM
Nov 2015

that when I originally said House you would assume I mean Congress.

If there is anyone here misleading, its the OP and it's you implying that because you didn't realize there were two houses, that I was somehow to fault for that.

You need to figure this out before continuing down the path of blaming others for your ignorance of the subject matter.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
114. I didn't assume you meant Congress
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:18 PM
Nov 2015

You are the one who is confused and ignorant. Congress can refer to either or both the House and the Senate. If you had said Congress there would be no issue. The problem is you said "the House" which can not be taken to mean Congress or to mean The Senate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
69. He isn't in the House! Wow! He's a US Senator who has an excellent legislative record. But then if
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:54 AM
Nov 2015

you didn't even know he was a Senator, no wonder you have no idea of his record.

Your continuing personal attacks, lame though they are, with no other substantive contributions, do not speak well for YOUR candidate. Who was never in the House btw.

Not to be personal or anything but to post on a Political forum and be taken seriously, it helps to know the difference between the House and Senate.

If I were you, I would spend some time studying our system of government.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
91. I'm assuming you knew that Bernie served in BOTH houses...right?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

so tell me....if his second stint was not in the Senate, what was the other house?

here, a little lesson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States consisting of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
101. but I was correct..you and others had tried to portray me as a dumb fool.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

Common or not, it's not for me to determine what you think is common and word my posts based on what I think you know. The term "both houses" I do believe is NOT that uncommon. I am surprised that so many on this thread didn't know that.

It would be encumbant on you and your compadres to not use snark in these types of circumstances, and maybe even admit an error when you are clearly proven wrong, rather than pile on and continue to justify your error.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
89. there are two houses..right? He served in both houses. And yes, I knew he was currently a Senator.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

why would you assume I meant the Congressional one? Oh, right, never mind, you just love to assume mistakes and jump right on them. Gives you a sense of that all elusive superiority....even when you are wrong. lol

If I were you I'd spend less time trying to find fault in others. It makes you look petty.

as for lessons...here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States consisting of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Response to Sheepshank (Reply #30)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
96. this is not a good thread, it's ridiculous to assume an anectodal story is real
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

and pretend that only Bernie does any spontaneous good in the world. There are plent of good people and I have given verifuable proof of that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
102. Then ignore it .... alert on it. If you have a legitimate gripe, that should take care of it.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:00 PM
Nov 2015

Choosing not to use the available options in favor of thread-jaccking, says you don't.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
103. Alert on what? What terms of service were broken?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:03 PM
Nov 2015

as for thread jacking.......as soon as you are just as concerned when you and you compadres hijack positive Hillary threads, I may consider this a real concern of yours.

ps did you notice my corrections of your concerns over the House? i just wanted to make sure you realized you were wrong and your snarky reponses to me, trying to imply I'm stupid, was pretty off base.

thanks.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
95. In 1860, at the worst moment in the country's history, she was graced
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:51 AM
Nov 2015

with Abraham Lincoln. Is any further proof needed that a divinity shapes our ends, 'rough hew them how we will'?

Will the divinity intervene twice in the affairs of this benighted land? That is the question.

ms liberty

(8,578 posts)
36. Do either of the people in those stories you've linked to...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

Have any experience in the day to day business of politics and government? Do they have a thorough grasp of how legislation is made? Do they have proposals for policies to start addressing the very serious problems we're facing in this country? They are welcome to run whether they have any of the aforementioned attributes, but are they even interested? Probably not. But Bernie is interested and is running. That he is also a kind, caring and thoughtful human is a plus, and something I appreciate. It says a lot about you that you chose to be ugly in this thread.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
61. Clinton, for supporting jobs to Mexico creating homeless who cannot afford the shoes ...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:05 PM
Nov 2015

being sewn by children in Mexico at $.07 an hour...

does NOT deserve to be president.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
123. So...have YOU ever done a good deed with no strings attached?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

Something for which you had no thought of reward? But you did it anyway because it was the right thing to do?

Just wondering...

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
10. people telling their experiences about a good
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

deed done by someone getting shit on by posters is about as low as it goes. He never publicized it and there are many stories out there. I have yet to hear a story like this about Clinton.

One practices what their beliefs suggest and the other doesn't have the urge. One gets my vote, the other doesn't.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
18. Hell, when do you think the last time
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary even walked down a street that may have a homeless person on it?

Z

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
39. So, when was the last time?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie apparently can do it and so can cops, as another Hillary supporter so kindly pointed out.

Z

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
45. I keep being told that she is this wonderful candidate
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015

that is for all of America. So, I'm asking, when is the last time she ever walked on street and talked to real live (not planted) honest to goodness working poor? All I'm asking for is one example. After all Hillary supporter made fun of Bernie buying boots for a homeless person, what has Hillary done lately?

Z

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
46. Yah I'm not that same supporter who did that up thread.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:11 PM
Nov 2015

I actually commended Bernie for his actions.

You can keep trying to paint with a broad brush but it's just not going to work here, that person isn't me. Sorry.

I don't know when the last time Hillary did this was, I do know she has a plan to improve the situation when it comes to wealth inequality. And I believe she will take action on her plan and make it happen. A higher minimum wage is a great step as is working to create more jobs for people who are unemployed which in turn may cause homelessness. This is a wealthy nation, there is no reason people should be out on the streets.

Considering that this story is 5 years old I don't think we need to spend time seeing who did this more recently? I don't see how that's important, I think it's important to know we have great candidates.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
128. Yes, you did, and thank you for doing so. As did a few other Hillary supporters which is nice to see
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

and demonstrated in doing so, that we don't have to forget to be just people regardless of who we support.

I appreciate those Hillary supporters, including you, who were able to that.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
70. She cares so much about the homeless and poor
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:03 AM
Nov 2015

that she supports trade policies that will give her lots more of them to care about.

So there!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
59. I think it brings out a point that some are in denial about. HRC is wealthy, she is a member of
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

the 1%, the billionaires give millions to her foundation, her campaign and even give money to her personal fortune. She may honestly feel bad about us in the 99% but not to the point of taxing her friends. This is a class war and she is a member of the 1% class. She says she is for social justice but has stumbled along that road. She supports fracking because oil profits are more important than drinking water, Hello!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
60. I'm not in denial that she is wealthy...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:36 PM
Nov 2015

She is wealthy.

Does that prohibit her from being a good president? If you think it does I suggest you review American presidential history... No that doesn't make it "right" or "wrong" but it certainly shows that wealthy people can be amazing presidents.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
74. You want to know what might not be ridiculous, but is worrisome to me?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:50 AM
Nov 2015

(I like your attitude and posting style, by the way. I just strongly disagree with your political choices.)

It is the wrongheaded distinction between "social justice" and "economic justice" that SOME (I shout the word because I want to make it clear that I don't mean "all&quot very prolific and ... bullying ... Hillary supporters have been pushing on DU for over 6 months now.
I never came across such a distinction before Hillary Clinton's campaign seems to have invented it for this primary.

After all, money is a means of exchange between humans so is in essence "social". Not something different. So the distinction - pushed for political reasons - is fundamentally false. It is fundamentally divisive and non-constructive. There is going to at least be a synchronicity of factors that need to be addressed, if not actual causal factors.

What makes this false distinction worrisome to me is that so many of Clinton's supporters have been pushing it so vehemently on DU - a few of the most aggressive going so far as to say that economic justice doesn't even matter to them because they're rich enough already and wouldn't get anything, personally, from a concentration on providing economic justice to the less advantaged. Obviously people with such attitudes ("I've got mine, Jack - so fuck off!&quot will always exist -- what's worrisome is that this line of argument is actually being pushed, on DU, by Dems who brag that their candidate has LOTS of money and who taunt the opposition with catcalls of "You can't win without money, losers!".

It doesn't make for a wholesome combination, Agschmid.

In a two party system where one party (R) is made up of out-and-out freaks, yet has support from a massive percentage of the overall population, so where any hope at all has to come from the remaining party (D), I find it worrisome that even in that remaining party a large proportion denigrate something so basic as economic justice. Denigrate economic justice as being, at best, not realistic - not pragmatic - to be left off the table when negotiating with the freaks (R's) because the freaks would never comply.

Then there's the matter of war, war profiteering and investment banking.
Very worrisome.

Anyway, I very much doubt that Hillary Clinton or any Clinton has had much contact with the homeless or impoverished, except for maybe a photo-op, over the past few decades. But that's just my guess.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
31. yup...as if only Bernie does good deeds that deserves his status as POTUS
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:33 PM
Nov 2015

and then there's little piece of foolishness: *I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him*

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
43. I, nor millions of other poor people
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

don't deserve Hillary. The only employment she will provide is for young people to join the military so she fight wars to show how tough she is.


and then there's little piece of foolishness: *I'm beginning to think we don't deserve him*
Sheepshank


You're right, some of you probably don't.

Z

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
56. You are wrong.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

It's unfortunate that you have not looked further into the viability of Bernie's unrealistic promises and agenda.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
73. I have looked into it.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:42 AM
Nov 2015

I've also looked into Hillary's (what there is of it). And I also looked into their histories. Bernie has been steadfast in his beliefs and is not afraid to fight for them. Hillary, it seems only fights for herself. She apparently hasn't found a war she doesn't like. I wonder if her own daughter or granddaughter were at risk would she be so gun ho. Why are her children more important than the children of Libya? "We came, we saw, he died", sent chills of dread up my spine.

Bernie had done what he said he would do, his entire career. And, if he couldn't get it done this time, he tried to get it done another time. He works to try to find a way, even with Republicans, like what he did for the Veterans. I trust him. I trust that he will do the job to the best of his ability.

I trust Hillary to keep us in perpetual war.

Z

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
87. Look at her again
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:47 AM
Nov 2015

Read and listen to her words. She talks a good game. However, if you will notice, she never makes a commitment. She is a well oiled political machine, designed to speak words to get her way.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
127. I'm sorry, but WHY are they unrealistic?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

Why? Why is wanting to help others an extreme and unrealistic political position?

See, that's pretzel logic, a perversion of what is right that elevates the expedient over the moral.

It's time we brought some real ideals back to DC.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
106. we don't even know if it's a real story, bro
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

the ones I linked to are verifiable.

I don't doubt this feel good story makes some think "We dont deserve him..." mentality, but I do believe that type of deification is best served when the story is verifiably real.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
121. Yes, pretty low. But some of Hillary's supporters were gracious enough to also post in the thread
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:42 PM
Nov 2015

with positive comments recognizing a good deed and willing to acknowledge it.

The other poster reflects badly on his/her candidate.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
17. not true! du says Bernie's punctual because he never stops to talk to people
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:44 PM
Nov 2015

or kiss babies! Besides, Vermont's a small white state and, er, something. This letter was faked by the anti Clinton media cabal!

Too honest to be president.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
23. K & R!!!
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

How many homeless could be housed and fed for the price of one useless fighter plane that will not perform to expectations...after many years and many billions of dollars?

GO, BERNIE!!!


Phlem

(6,323 posts)
24. This!
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

This is why he's got my vote. Period.

The lack of humanity in this country is staggering and Bernie's cup overfloweth.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
28. We really don't
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

Here we have a kindhearted man, working tirelessly his entire life for the people, taking on another tireless campaign to give us a rare opportunity to dig the country out of the mess we're in. And what do we do? A large number of us shit on him, makeup up crazy scandals, etc., some on this very thread. Some even go as far as accusing him of being in it for selfish reasons (mostly on the "other" site, but I think I've seen it here even.

So no, we don't deserve him. Yet, we have to try hard anyway. Sometimes, people (in this case America) can get things they don't deserve.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
29. "I'm beginning to think we do not deserve him ..."
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

I think some don't. I think the majority of Americans have been deserving him for a long long time.

Let's git-r-done!

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
33. If I remember
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:37 PM
Nov 2015

wasn't Bernie arrested in Chicago as a college student for demonstrating in favor of decent housing? The humanitarian side of him runs deep.

K&R

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
34. Another Bernie tale
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

THis is from an article in the 80's by someone who tagged along one nightwhile Mayor Sanders and an alderman were out visiting constituents, just to talk to them to see if they had any problems or concerns....


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-mayor/407413/

An elderly woman answers Sanders’ knock this time. When he asks if she’s got any complaints, she answers precisely in French-accented English. The recent state reappraisal of real estate values has increased her taxes over a thousand dollars a year, she points out, but her income has remained the same. She owns the house and lets her granddaughter and her children live next door for nothing, so it doesn’t help that the state says that the apartment can be rented on the open market for $300-$500 a month. “I can’t put my great-grandchildren out in the street, just to get the rent money to pay the taxes,” she explains. “I’m a widow, my husband died, so all I have is my social security. My granddaughter can’t work. She has problems.”

The Mayor shakes his head and bites his lower lip. He is listening.

The alderman speaks up. He reminds the woman of Vermont’s property tax rebate program, which surely she must qualify for. Sanders seems to have drifted into a melancholy that deepens as the woman explains how hard it is for her to heat her house in winter, how frightened she is of the effect the new condominiums going up on the other side of the park will have on her taxes, how worried she is about tripping on the sections of the sidewalk ripped up for the new gas main....

Thabault stands by the door, clipboard in hand, taking notes. “I’ll get that rebate information for you,” he assures her in a low voice.

She murmurs, “I don’t take welfare.”

The mayor says, “It’s not welfare. It’s money that never should have been taken from you in the first place, for God’s sake.”
------------------

Sanders finally ended his tour at the St. John’s Club. It’s an old-fashioned neighborhood political clubhouse...Sanders sat down at a table, sipped at a bottle of beer and explained to a small group of voters from the neighborhood, men and women of various ages, all of them working people, how the state property-tax rebate works, assuring them that if their annual income is below $35,000, they can quality for a rebate. These folks are householders barely holding on to their houses, and they need to know what Sanders is telling them, so they listen intently.

It’s more a private than a public occasion, but Sanders’s intensity, heating up as he speaks, is unmodulated and is almost inappropriate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. That's a wonderful story, and it does raise another shameful fact about how
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

people can lose homes they have paid due to ever increasing property taxes. It happened, ALMOST, to my husband's grandmother except she had family to help her out. Not everyone does.

You should make it an OP, I get the feeling Bernie really deeply cares about the people he works for, and loves doing what he does and really works hard to try to be a help to them.

It is so rare in a politician. And why I support him.

wial

(437 posts)
35. Yeah but if we clean up the streets
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

we'd have a vibrant street counterculture on our hands, people demanding bike lanes and crosswalks, all sorts of new social ills! Soon enough, public transport, parks, gestalt understanding of the issues of our day, new forms of music corrupting the values of the youth. It would be anathema and Reagan worked so hard to put a stop to it by flooding the cities with mentally ill people who needed care. I'm sure he shed a tear or two over that! Aren't things much more tidy now except for the occasional dying bum?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
77. Some of them were gracious.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

I stay out of positive Hillary threads because I see no reason to ruin it for her supporters.

It seems like such a simple gesture, everyone should try it tomorrow - just for shits and giggles.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
81. Likewise.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:02 AM
Nov 2015

I think a good word to keep in mind when talking about "supporters" of whatever candidate, is 'some'.
I don't think anyone has a right to simply generalize from the post of one or some to any kind of "all".

I'd be in total despair if I made that kind of thing a practice!

We should continue to discuss memes, though - for example I've been yakking about the false "social/economic justice" dichotomy that's been floated on DU for the past several months by some supporters of Hillary Clinton.

Re. the Hillary Supporter's burden post, I kinda take issue with this assertion:

"And speaking of people who bring nothing positive to the discussion: There are a few Bernie Sanders supporters here on DU who have been utterly dismissive of the legitimate concerns of large segments of the Democratic base. Their attitude is totally human but also completely antithetical to their candidate's efforts to broaden his appeal within the Democratic party. I isn't "fair" but it is a good thing that that type of behavior would NEVER be permitted from a Hillary supporter here on DU, because that type of behavior is a huge turn-off and would not help Hillary in the slightest."

I say the person ought to lay it down - exactly what these "legitimate concerns of a large segments of the Democratic base" are, that "Bernie Sanders supporters" are "utterly dismissive of".
But, slyly, the person didn't.

I've got a "concern". David Brock - his PAC that does online activity only, so it can exploit a loophole and coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton's campaign. That's a "legitimate concern". I don't complain about Hillary Clinton supporters being utterly dismissive of my concern.

If the person has a "legitimate concern" that "Bernie Sanders supporters here on DU" haven't been addressing, the person should lay it down and not just complain about vague "Bernie Sanders supporters" by innuendo.

Like, Go to the mirror.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. Yes, he is without a doubt a truly decent man. But I know we don't deserve him. Watching
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

some of the stuff that I've seen, right here, and can imagine what goes on to try to stop him, and us among those in power, why would anyone want to make this a better country until a vast majority are as willing as he is to start standing up when someone like him comes along once in a lifetime.

Response to TDale313 (Reply #42)

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
54. I remember when I used to have a friend...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:39 PM
Nov 2015

I dropped all my douchebag friends after meeting the woman whom I eventually married, but there was one friend I had and one night we were walking through Downtown Raleigh...

We passed an alley and there was a homeless guy down there. I remarked how I wondered why he didn't go to a shelter? And then stated maybe the shelter's full.

Well my friend then replies, "He shouldn't have ended up homeless to begin with."

I then explained to him, "You know most homeless people don't CHOOSE to become homeless right? And most of them end up there because of circumstances beyond their control?"

He was weak minded and had very little will to argue with ANYONE whenever they retorted to his comments. He would reply, "Yeah I guess." all the time. Drove me nuts.

Anyways, that former friend was a cokehead last time I checked. I wonder if the homeless comment he made will come full circle? I don't wish that on anyone mind you but... ya know.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
137. You are a caring person. Maybe he will remember what you said some time in
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:06 PM
Nov 2015

the future. I bet he will!

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
62. Hillary promises to create more homeless with war, jobs to Asia, Wall Street deregulation
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:08 PM
Nov 2015

I'm told voting for her is for our own good, but, lol, really no one actually believes that shit.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
64. It Takes a Village
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

If this is true, then good on Bernie.

The above-quoted story is difficult to verify since details such as the name of the shoe store, the name of the employee who handled the sale, and the identity of the homeless man are unknown. Additionally, Bernie Sanders has not commented on his alleged good deed, and the photographs included most popular iteration of the tale are completely unrelated to the story.

While it's possible that the events described in this Facebook post are accurate, it should also be noted that the message's author is relaying a second-hand account of something that took place five years ago and was told to him by someone else. Bernie Sanders may have once purchased winter boots for a homeless man, but this anecdote by itself is not proof that such an event ever took place.


http://www.snopes.com/winter-at-bernies/

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
65. I suspect of it was a fake, it would have been embellished
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:42 PM
Nov 2015

Like taking the man into a real estate office and buying him a new house.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
68. Maybe, but my Spidey Senses are tingling
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

I'll just assume it's true and stick to my 'Good on Bernie'.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
66. I love these stories, its too bad they are
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:43 PM
Nov 2015

fodder for the other side to mock. It makes them so happy to mock something like this. A little humanity goes a long way when it comes to Presidential politics, but in this day and age, there are far too many who find their entertainment in trolling stories like this, looking for hints of weakness. That bothers me a lot. Some people find great sport in finding items to shoot the other candidate down, and dance on the flaming rubble.

Some times politics reminds me of Team sports. People are into their candidates like they are into their chosen sports team. The other side could have really great plays, but the die hard fan will only mock and make fun of them, and look for weaknesses. If they can shut down the conversation they will. IF the other team makes a great play, they will poo poo it, and say anyone could do that! They will never give any credit to the opposing team.. to do so makes them feel weak.

Fox News before it was news, was Fox sports. Its amazing to see how much professional sports left its mark on those on the News side. Make the other side LOOK BAD, AT all cost!!

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
71. If we continue to see
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:06 AM
Nov 2015

such misiable voter turn out not only do we not deserve him we deserve what we get .

Response to JDPriestly (Reply #79)

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
82. oh no, now Hillary will have to do this
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:19 AM
Nov 2015

Since she copies everything Bernie does, she will have to hold her nose and do something for a homeless person. It will be a major news story. Lol

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
86. I'm going to refrain from my normal snark on Senator Sanders.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:11 AM
Nov 2015

This is a beautiful and sad story, and I will not be a part of smearing this gentleman in any way or form.

K&R.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
133. Disagreement doesn't have to be disrespectful.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:04 PM
Nov 2015


There may be disagreement on candidates, but I can't believe anyone who would call themselves a Democrat would criticize the homeless, or disparage anyone who treats the homeless with dignity and respect.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
136. I agree. Still, in the heat of 'battle' people often feel they should avoid showing any 'weakness',
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

when in fact it takes a strong person to simply be honest and we don't see enough of it lately, so I do appreciate it when I find it.

back at you!

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
97. You don't hear stories like this about the other candidates.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:54 AM
Nov 2015

Every time I learn something new about Bernie, I like him more. He's a good guy and he'll be a good president because he actually cares about us all.

I mean, that is SUCH a different feeling. I can't say that about my elected officials, because they care some, but nothing like that.

If more of us were like Bernie this would be a hell of a lot better place.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
122. I don't even know how to reply to this.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:42 PM
Nov 2015

In wintertime a guy sees a homeless man who does not have good shoes. He takes the man into a shoe store and buys him winter boots. And then, even though the guy is an elected official, he doesn't make a big deal out of it, pound his chest and say, "hey, look what I did." He just lets it be and goes on with his life.

You might dismiss it as a 'feel good piece' that lacks 'factual' credibility. OK. But have you ever been down? I mean really down, in a situation where the mercy and kindness of one person can literally make a life or death difference? See, the parasites, the oligarchs, have made this into a society where we're all supposed to be rugged individualists, mistrust each other, and question why we should use our 'heard earned' resources to help anyone less fortunate. We've had 40 years of propaganda to that effect.

And yet here's a fellow who buys a homeless guy some shoes. This is not the first story like this that I've heard about Bernie, and since I've heard a few, I tend to believe them.

I mean, think this through with me, will you? On the one hand, we have Bernie who reached out when he didn't have to, out of his own pocket and helped a homeless guy. What does this say about Sanders' character? Now, compare that with the other candidates on both sides. Think about who you trust to take care of you and your family when elected.

This is one of many, many reasons that I'm such a staunch supporter of Bernie Sanders. He's good people. And he'll be a good president.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
126. yes I've been down. But I've also been very blessed
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

and I share what I have, and can do ...all the time.

so the speshulness of Bernie buying shoes is lost on me because (1) I don't find it all that speshul since so very very many people do this without the secret story getting leaked out (2) not even sure this is a true story and (3) if by any chance it were a true story, how does an act of kindness elevate Bernie to the saintly status of "We don't even deserve him" as stated in the OP. It's ludicrous.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
132. If you were a public official and did things that were quiet and good...and were...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:54 PM
Nov 2015

running for president, I suspect you wouldn't have a problem with people posting stories about it later on as a character reference.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
134. "we don't deserve him", elevates that public official into some sort of sainthood
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

which is inappriopriate and way too over the line of fawning imho. So while anectodal stories are fine, real ones are better without the wierdness overtones.

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