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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:26 PM Nov 2015

A little story I heard about Bernie Sanders that seems very illuminating

This is something I heard on a Vermont Public Radio documentary about Bernie Sanders, a lifelong profile that was balanced.

Apparently he was a track star in high school. During a race one season there was a fellow runner who was not terribly good. Sanders had won a lot of races. But this time, he deliberately slowed down just enough to let the guy pull ahead and win the race, so he could have a win....He didn't make a big deal out of it, but he just did it to give someone else a little boost.

The other guy remembered that for the rest of his life.

IMO, as a reflection of character and integrity, that says something about the sincerity of all that Sanders has done since then.





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A little story I heard about Bernie Sanders that seems very illuminating (Original Post) Armstead Nov 2015 OP
thats what I was taught leadership is all about olddots Nov 2015 #1
That is an awesome and heart warming story. Major kudos to Senator Sanders. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2
Your courtesy does you credit. blackspade Nov 2015 #6
+1 Totally agree. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #7
Another one... Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #3
Another incident Armstead Nov 2015 #5
It's a weird article to read... Agschmid Nov 2015 #12
The way you cobbled together excerpts chervilant Nov 2015 #32
What? Armstead Nov 2015 #33
The last sentence: chervilant Nov 2015 #39
that is an odd sentence to me too. Just odd. roguevalley Nov 2015 #40
It's completely out of context. n/t chervilant Nov 2015 #41
Yeah, Jane Lindholm & company did a great job putting that show together. gregcrawford Nov 2015 #4
Yes, he's an honorable, humane man Bernblu Nov 2015 #8
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #9
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #10
K & R. Glad to hear these Bernie stories. He's a true mensch. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #11
The Republican version of this story would involve throwing rocks at the people ahead of you. tclambert Nov 2015 #13
I think they're more into football than track Armstead Nov 2015 #16
Empathy is something that can't be faked or focus-grouped. klook Nov 2015 #14
too kind hearted and altruistic to survive the hillarians onslaught. makes me wonder just Doctor_J Nov 2015 #15
Well, he's tough as nails too Armstead Nov 2015 #17
It's not like Bernie supporters are pure as the driven snow.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #22
Now if that was posted about Hillary no one could read it now INdemo Nov 2015 #24
I alerted that post, probably my fifth alert in 14 years Doctor_J Nov 2015 #27
heck, there'd be three Left Column posts hall-monitoring about how not voting MisterP Nov 2015 #34
They don't have much policywise to lash out at him on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #26
Indeed. dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #43
But some see that as weakness. They are looking for a tough authoritarian candidate. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #18
Actually I think his image is more on the tough side....This part of him doesn't get much attention Armstead Nov 2015 #20
how can Mrs Clinton be a tough leader when she can't stick to any of her beliefs? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #28
And how tough can she be to let Bush talk her into helping sell the Iraq War. The truly tough ones rhett o rick Nov 2015 #29
Love Bernie. Well done, Sir. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #21
President Carter told us we needed to slow down our economy, let everyone catch up. jtuck004 Nov 2015 #23
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #25
K & R L0oniX Nov 2015 #30
I player catcher maindawg Nov 2015 #31
I wonder what Hillary would have done? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #35
How do we know he deliberately slowed down? Maybe it was just an off day. We all have those. egduj Nov 2015 #36
And George Washington chopped down a cherry tree... MohRokTah Nov 2015 #37
Jeepers, try to put something positive up and look what happens.... Armstead Nov 2015 #38
SPRINTER OR LONG DISTANCE? ErikJ Nov 2015 #42
Long distance as I recall Armstead Nov 2015 #45
I would resent a competitor who threw a race for me. Orrex Nov 2015 #44
Well from the radio story, the other guy was impressed and grateful for the gesture Armstead Nov 2015 #46
I understand that, but I'm saying that I wouldn't feel the same way Orrex Nov 2015 #48
I hope he doesn't ease up in this race. nt TeamPooka Nov 2015 #47
 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
1. thats what I was taught leadership is all about
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

Unfortunately to many people winning is everything even though that is totally anti scientific .

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. Another incident
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

THis is from someone who tagged along one night in the 80's while Mayor Sanders and an alderman were out visiting constituents, just to talk to them to see if they had any problems or concerns....


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-mayor/407413/

An elderly woman answers Sanders’ knock this time. When he asks if she’s got any complaints, she answers precisely in French-accented English. The recent state reappraisal of real estate values has increased her taxes over a thousand dollars a year, she points out, but her income has remained the same. She owns the house and lets her granddaughter and her children live next door for nothing, so it doesn’t help that the state says that the apartment can be rented on the open market for $300-$500 a month. “I can’t put my great-grandchildren out in the street, just to get the rent money to pay the taxes,” she explains. “I’m a widow, my husband died, so all I have is my social security. My granddaughter can’t work. She has problems.”

The Mayor shakes his head and bites his lower lip. He is listening.

The alderman speaks up. He reminds the woman of Vermont’s property tax rebate program, which surely she must qualify for. Sanders seems to have drifted into a melancholy that deepens as the woman explains how hard it is for her to heat her house in winter, how frightened she is of the effect the new condominiums going up on the other side of the park will have on her taxes, how worried she is about tripping on the sections of the sidewalk ripped up for the new gas main....

Thabault stands by the door, clipboard in hand, taking notes. “I’ll get that rebate information for you,” he assures her in a low voice.

She murmurs, “I don’t take welfare.”

The mayor says, “It’s not welfare. It’s money that never should have been taken from you in the first place, for God’s sake.”
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Sanders finally ended his tour at the St. John’s Club. It’s an old-fashioned neighborhood political clubhouse...Sanders sat down at a table, sipped at a bottle of beer and explained to a small group of voters from the neighborhood, men and women of various ages, all of them working people, how the state property-tax rebate works, assuring them that if their annual income is below $35,000, they can quality for a rebate. These folks are householders barely holding on to their houses, and they need to know what Sanders is telling them, so they listen intently.

It’s more a private than a public occasion, but Sanders’s intensity, heating up as he speaks, is unmodulated and is almost inappropriate.



Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. It's a weird article to read...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:28 PM
Nov 2015

I've been there, it's right on the bike trail in Burlington. We didn't call them alderman they were city councilors and afaik still are. Burlington is a funny pace politically a liberal center in a politically interesting state.

If it's the St. John's club which was on College St. (I googled it but couldn't determine if it was) it's closed now, great property I'm sure Champlain College will turn it into a dorm soon enough.

Interesting article, thanks for posting.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
32. The way you cobbled together excerpts
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:58 PM
Nov 2015

from that article... are you trying to denigrate Senator Sanders? Those of us who read the entire article can see what you've done.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
39. The last sentence:
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:10 AM
Nov 2015
It’s more a private than a public occasion, but Sanders’s intensity, heating up as he speaks, is unmodulated and is almost inappropriate.


This sounds as though you are cherry-picking (out of context, too) a negative about Bernie, and that's confusing to me, because I thought you are a supporter.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
40. that is an odd sentence to me too. Just odd.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:15 AM
Nov 2015

not a criticism but it reads oddly in keeping with the rest.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
4. Yeah, Jane Lindholm & company did a great job putting that show together.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's got a bunch of stories like that. You just won't hear any of them from him. Bernie is the Anti-Trump!

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
13. The Republican version of this story would involve throwing rocks at the people ahead of you.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

Or in Donald Trump's case, throwing rocks in all directions.

klook

(12,155 posts)
14. Empathy is something that can't be faked or focus-grouped.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders is a sincere guy who really wants everyone to have an even break.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. too kind hearted and altruistic to survive the hillarians onslaught. makes me wonder just
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

how deluded and really dark hearted posters like this are.

Rec

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
22. It's not like Bernie supporters are pure as the driven snow....
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

I satvon the jury for a post that called all Clinton supporters assholes. So there ya go.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
24. Now if that was posted about Hillary no one could read it now
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

because it would have been hidden
I don't understand how anyone especially those that call themselves Democrats can vote for a corporate owned,
Wall St owned candidate.



 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
27. I alerted that post, probably my fifth alert in 14 years
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:47 PM
Nov 2015

Until then I didn't realize how rabid some of them are. That was like something you see at freeperville or Fox nation.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. heck, there'd be three Left Column posts hall-monitoring about how not voting
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:33 AM
Nov 2015

for the not-really-Dem is gonna turn the country over to the Pubs

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. They don't have much policywise to lash out at him on.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

So a common theme is that his supporters suck, and thus by association he's horrible.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. But some see that as weakness. They are looking for a tough authoritarian candidate.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:33 PM
Nov 2015

That's more important than empathy. Conservatives love strong, tough authoritarian leaders and are willing to give up freedoms and liberties. It's not unlike Jr High when some kids were attracted to the biggest bully, hoping he/she will protect them and give them power.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. Actually I think his image is more on the tough side....This part of him doesn't get much attention
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. And how tough can she be to let Bush talk her into helping sell the Iraq War. The truly tough ones
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:54 PM
Nov 2015

were the ones that took the less popular "progressive" side.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. President Carter told us we needed to slow down our economy, let everyone catch up.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

We didn't and are paying the price.

I wonder if President Sanders can pull it off? He is the only one who would try.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
31. I player catcher
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:39 PM
Nov 2015

I knew the other catcher wanted to play and I wanted him to play. I told him to go in for me and he geared up.All hell broke loose. Coaches freaking out. I knew they would. I told them I was hurt. I cant play. I di dnot act hurt, I just told them I was. Looked em in the eye. People are f d up man. Be fair. I wasnt that good anyway. I hate games ,I did not understand winning but, I hate loosing too. I like to compete. I liked to run. I wanted to do well. I just liked to play.
I understand a runner who may give in to his body in a race and accept defeat. I think thats what Bernie did here. Because that is what its like , to race.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
44. I would resent a competitor who threw a race for me.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:45 AM
Nov 2015

What others have chosen to see as a grand and selfless act, I see instead as patronizing and vaguely insulting.

Sanders' intention might have been good, but I would never want to claim a victory simply because a superior competitor chose to throw a race for me. That would be no victory at all.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
48. I understand that, but I'm saying that I wouldn't feel the same way
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

Especially not if that incident were cited decades later as a feelgood story about a prospective candidate for the Whitehouse.

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