Hillary is not a liberal. She said so herself.

[Bubzer]

From her own mouth, Hillary admits to the truth.

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

She's advocated being center-based as a good thing... as if the GOP hasn't completely distorted the political spectrum.

Clinton argued at the Columbus event that being in the "center" is a positive, not a negative.

"I think sometimes it's important when you are in the elected arena -- you try to figure out, how do you bring people together to get something done instead of just standing on the opposite sides yelling at each other," Clinton said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/
We all know how well that's worked out for Obama.


Even during a 2007 debate she muddied the waters by claiming to be a "modern American progressive", whatever that's suppose to mean.

Here's a host of outside opinions on Hillary.

H. A. Goodman of The Huffington Post described Hillary Clinton as "neither a liberal, nor a true conservative. Rather, she's an electable Democratic candidate who leans to the right. She's the Democratic version of Mitt Romney. President Hillary Clinton would be a conservative Barack Obama and a somewhat liberal George Bush."

Chris Matthews of Hardball with Chris Matthews described Hillary Clinton as "more of a conservative in a sense of more of a traditional politician from the center, center."

Elizabeth MacDonald of the Fox Business Network said of Hillary Clinton, that "as Hillary Clinton declares war on the billionaire class, her six-figure speeches, deep pocket donors on Wall Street and corporate America from places like Citigroup (C) and Goldman Sachs (GS), already has the presidential hopeful talked about as a “LINO”—a liberal in name only." She also stated that "Hillary Clinton’s progressive leanings are there

Former Congressman Joe Scarborough described Hillary Clinton as "the neocon's neocon. It's going to be fascinating if she decides to run and she gets the nomination, that she will be more of a sabre-rattler and more of a neocon than the Republican nominee. Is that not the case? There's hardly been a military engagement that Hillary hasn't been for in the past 20 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton

If she called herself a moderate, and all those other individuals call her a moderate, then I think that kind of makes her a moderate. She's NOT a liberal. She may have liberal tendencies... but that's far and away not the same thing. I'll even go so far as to say perhaps she's earnestly trying to become a liberal... but the notion that she's always been a liberal? That's pure bunk.

[giftedgirl77]

2. So? At least she's a democrat.

[Bubzer]

3. So is Bernie. Or are you one of those who think he's not?

Actions always speak louder than words. Hillary voted for the Iraq war, courts all manner of corporations, called the TPP the gold standard, and she regularly flip-flops on positions to gain political points. That sounds more like the GOP than a Dem to me. Bernie, on the other hand, is consistently right on the issues. Hillary can't say that.

The last thing we need in office is someone who has to evolve to be right on an issue. We need someone who has good judgment from the word go.

[giftedgirl77]

5. I love the fact that you signed up for this site with

the sole purpose of promoting an independent. I'm going to base my vote on which one I think has the best interests of myself & my children in mind. I don't believe that is Sanders.

[Live and Learn]

6. Yes, when one can't answer the question, one should make a nonsensical accusation

against the poster.

[giftedgirl77]

11. No, I looked at their profile tyvm.

[Live and Learn]

14. And it said nothing of the sort but please, don't apologize for the attempted slander. nt

[Bubzer]

22. +1

[Bubzer]

7. Are you with Homeland security? The CIA perhaps? Or perhaps your with an ISP?

Unless you've somehow managed to spy on me outside my postings here, you can't possibly know my "sole purpose" for being here. It's certainly not as one dimensional as you think. But don't worry, I wont offended if you continue to believe that.

I do find it strange that you think a corporatist would have your interests in mind. I suspect that you'd disregard whatever evidence I provide though, so I wont bother. I am glad you're going to vote, however.

[giftedgirl77]

12. Your profile & posting history is all I need to know.

I can't wait for the Sanders supporters to bring their asses to SC & actually try to convince us lowly detractors what your candidate is actually going to do. My neighborhood doesn't give 2 shits about Wallstreet. We want social justice reforms most of our kid's college is already paid for but I need to know they are going to live long enough to get there.

[Live and Learn]

16. It sounds like you are saying you don't care about anyone but yourself.

Silly threats aren't going to scare anyone here.

[giftedgirl77]

17. It wasn't a threat at all. It was a simple statement of fact.

I have yet to hear anyone give a reasonable explanation as to how BS is going to improve the extreme social injustices that are occuring our neighborhoods. We are a more affluent minority neighborhood that has been dealt major blows due to the institutional racism.

We want answers, not hear but Hillary is a meanie, that loves big bad banks, & voted for the Iraq war. That isn't going to help anyone & will guarantee these ppl get laughed off our porches & neighborhood.

[Live and Learn]

18. Sure sounded like a threat to me. nt

[Bubzer]

24. I caught that whiff of selfishness too.

I generally expect a more enlightened mindset from fellow dems.

[Renew Deal]

26. Think he's not? He says he's not.

Did you know that?

[Bubzer]

32. He's always said he's more liberal than current party democrats.

Are you suggesting being liberal is bad? Or perhaps you think actions and voting records don't matter?

Voting records are very clear;



So are the supporters;

[Live and Learn]

4. Today, at least.

[Bubzer]

8. +1

Exactly right.

[Maedhros]

13. So were Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.

The simplistic identity politics that you advocate are not healthy for the country.

[giftedgirl77]

19. Neither is systematic racism that is plaging our country.

That's where my priorities lie. I don't give 2 shits about Wallstreet or the military. These are non issues. I'll stick with ppl I know can get the job done.

[Nitram]

9. You know, bubzer, liberals like myself who grew up while Clinton was growing up...

...tend to consider liberalism as a moderate stance. It is just the fact that the right has moved so much farther to the extreme right that being a liberal seems so much farther left. For example, in the 1950s the GOP strongly supported unions.

[Bubzer]

23. Yesteryear's Republican party is today's Democratic party. The whole spectrum is distorted.

You're right on target.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. However she does feel guilty about beign a moderate. Or, so she said.

[sabrina 1]

15. I take her at her word. And her record backs up her own analysis of where she is politically.

But for the primaries, now that she has a serious challenge which they didn't expect, she will 'move to the left' to try to beat Sanders.

I think they didn't expect to have to do this because she knows she needs crossover votes to win, and now she has to bash Repubs a lot to get the Dem vote.

After the primaries should she win the nomination, we will see her return to what she says she is, a 'moderate' in an effort to get some of those Repub votes without which she can't win

Bernie has complicated matters for the Third Way. Why we are seeing more and more attacks on him.

[Bubzer]

25. +1

[WillyT]

20. K & R !!!

[frylock]

21. "...standing on the opposite sides YELLING at each other"

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat....?

[Thinkingabout]

27. Posting this every day does not change the fact Clinton is a hard core liberal.

We understand Sanders is not rising in the polls and now Clinton has gotten ahead of Sanders in Iowa and NH. At the same Tim has moved ahead of Sanders is the same time post have been appearing of how Clinton is not a liberal. It is not working, she is still strong and in the two states he may have had a chance in has flipped for a hard core liberal named Hillary Clinton.

BTW, as Democrats, we know who is a liberal. That RW talking point is not working.

[Renew Deal]

28. You're using Fox Business and Scarborough to attack Democrats?

Nice

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-progressive_561dafabe4b050c6c4a35c32


So I guess she IS a Progressive then...

[ljm2002]

30. Wait a minute...

...did she use the phrase "yelling at each other"?

"I think sometimes it's important when you are in the elected arena -- you try to figure out, how do you bring people together to get something done instead of just standing on the opposite sides yelling at each other," Clinton said.

She must be aware that "yelling at each other" in the political context is a figure of speech used to indicate passionate disagreement. And yet, later, when Bernie used the very similar phrase "all the shouting in the world", she implied that the term "shouting" was a sexist attempt by Bernie to silence her.

Tsk, tsk.

[djean111]

33. The hypocrisy is stunning. But totally expected, and totally business as usual. n/t

[Lil Missy]

31. That's why she's the frontrunner - most of the Democratic Party is center or moderate. n/t