2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShock Poll-Hillary Clinton Clinton climbs into the lead in New Hampshire -HRC 48% (+12) SBS 45% (+2)
West Long Branch, NJ Hillary Clinton has taken a slim 3 point lead over Bernie Sanders in
New Hampshire, according to the latest Monmouth University Poll of Granite State voters likely to
participate in Februarys Democratic primary. Sanders retains his sizable advantage among registered
independents and new voters, men, and younger voters. However, Clinton has made significant gains in
the past two months with registered Democrats, women, and older voters.
Currently, Clinton holds a 48% to 45% lead over Bernie Sanders in the 2016 cycles first primary.
This reverses the lead Sanders held in Monmouths September poll. He led Clinton by 43% to 36% when
Joe Biden, Lincoln Chafee, and Jim Webb were included in the poll, and by an even larger 49% to 41%
margin when the supporters of those three candidates were reallocated to their second choices. Support
for Martin OMalley (3%) in the current poll is basically unchanged from two months ago.
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/ab385337-2d62-493e-b695-f4350bd8f4d1.pdf
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)msrizzo
(796 posts)But I like the way this is looking for Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)New Hampshire is Bernie's Leningrad, Waterloo, Gettysburg!!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)For Hillary!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
MADem
(135,425 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What are they waiting for?
By the time Bernie's campaign gets it stuff together, it will be too late.
Darn.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Nope.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)No oomph...
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I would have showed him in action with a voiceover.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)meangingless....really, who wrote and scripted and edited and eventually approved and paid for that thing?
Feeling the burn of 2 million dollars wasted, but that the Iowa and NH media thank Bernie for.
Some may soon be calling the campaign cash being spent so early and ineffectively as "Burnie" but that would be too cruel.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)check out the Help Wantd ads.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Somebody is enjoying those fifteen percent commissions.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)or in a segment on CNN or Fox or something because it hasn't been publicly aired by the campaign yet, and won't be until Thursday.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Unless its a money issue, TV time is horrendously expensive they say.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)There are massive ad buys/blocks done in advance. It's not like they just blanket the airwaves with it or push a button and it gets done. It has to be purchased through the network and for various shows and slots. It takes time to do it and to do it in a way that maximizes the reach as best as possible.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Makes sense thanks.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to pay for it like our other candidate does. I don't think it's the cost though. Everything must have a starting point, this ad will start on Thursday.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thanks for the info.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)propaganda. If a politician accepts millions from Wall St. you don't believe they are beholden to their demands? Seems a bit of a naive assumption to me.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I don't think it necessarily influences and elected official.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)purchased 2 million dollar newspaper airtime and space, because the campaign does not have cash to Bern.
Seriously, Sanders voters would do their top ticket candidate a serious favor if he were convinced to take a serious look at ad-to-air plan B before Thursday.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think they would have done better to not delay the rollout, and to start buying a few late-night cable slots now. They might have been hoping on more news coverage, but that's optimistic. A newsworthy ad is lucky to get a day in the media hopper--and he did get that. I saw the ad (or fair portions of it) run three times on three separate news programs.
The effectiveness of the ad will depend on how heavily he rotates it, and, of course, placement. If he doesn't get a couple of points out of it, I will be shocked. Kasich came from the sewer to the big kid's table on the strength of a not-very-good ad...but at least he was 'out there' when no one else in the GOP field was bothering to reach out to voters.
The other issue he might have to address--and his handlers will need to push him to do it--is his "grip and grin" problem. It is a problem, no matter how much some people try to pretend otherwise. He doesn't do the glad-handing the crowd thing, he will stop for a very quick selfie and move on, but he doesn't do that 'Stop-LISTEN-respond' thing, and if the answer is too complicated, have a staffer get the person's name and follow up with a letter. Tip O'Neill --a master of retail politics--was taught that lesson by a neighbor who loved him but didn't vote for him-- "People like to be ASKED" --Tip hadn't asked, and he never made that mistake again. All of that chatting and handshaking invests a voter in the candidate, and that voter can, by personal anecdote and enthusiasm, invest other voters in the candidate too.
He does not do that stuff, he has no patience for people's concerns unless they dovetail with his specific areas of interest. NYT did an article on how he fails the schmooze test (and of course his supporters focused on the cheeky headline about how he doesn't "kiss babies" and went on and on about germs, etc. when that wasn't the point at all). He never has been a touchy-feely guy, he's about as warm as Nixon in terms of personality and he has no patience for people who maybe aren't as serious or as smart as he is. It is a weakness.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)If this trend keeps up and her poll numbers in Iowa remain unchanged or grows, I don't see Sanders winning either State.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And it will get a helluva lot quieter around here then.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)NH is too confusing for me. It's a statistical tie, though. Still, Clinton got a substantial bump. We'll have to see how things go from here, I guess. But NH is clearly not solidly in Bernie's camp, it seems.
still_one
(92,204 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I was expecting even better than this but I will take it. Cheers!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Hopefully he'll still be able to take Vermont.. Poor thing.. Bless his heart.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Of 4.9%
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Lather, rinse, repeat.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)It just goes to that it is too early to tell. This new poll also showed that less than 1/3 of the voters have decided and that another 35% had decided but weren't firmly committed to their choice. Hillary supporters are trying to make it seem like Hillary's got it all sewn up and there isn't any hope of any other candidate and it just isn't true.
frylock
(34,825 posts)people relying on polls conducted over land lines and weighting toward 50+ year-old voters will be in for a shock when the votes start getting tabulated.
Gothmog
(145,288 posts)brooklynite
(94,581 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)except CBS/yougov Sanders 54 CLinton 39; Bloomberg Sanders 41, CLInton 36; Franklin Pierce Sanders 38, CLInton 30; Gravis Sander 33, CLinton 30.
And where she leads, it's within the moe.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)Pollsters call about twice a day and I always ignore them.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Just once, ever. I'd love to tell them who I support
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Me too.
Never been polled in my life LOL
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)The rest not so much.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Don't say I didn't warn people.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)The older a person is, the more likely he or she is to vote.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I'm sure it helps make things feel better.
frylock
(34,825 posts)weighting toward the 50+ year-old demo.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Of + or - 4.9%. Which basically means they are tied. They are still see-sawing back and forth in this race.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)She's essentially the same person before that and I compliment her on embracing being the victim of GOP idiotic questioning, and also of pretending to embrace Bernie's policies. She's a smart candidate, but her record shows where she stands overall in terms of foreign interventionism, banking and finance, insurance, welfare, trade. For her to say "I'm a liberal" at the debate was a concensus that she cannot get the primary nomination without giving lip service to the progressives in the party.
What is disturbing is the political pandering to the left may well have temporarily worked with some who now feel reassured that the hawkish foreign policies she has advocated and leans toward have somehow been silenced.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)You can't stand that.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Which doesn't bode well for the general.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
Bernblu
(441 posts)It's a poll of usual (whatever that means) Democratic primary voters while voters will be voting in a caucus and not a primary. A caucus attracts fewer voters who are very committed to their candidate. The poll also does not poll new voters or voters who are not usual primary voters but-are committed to voting in the caucus. I think Clinton may be leading but not by the margin in this poll. I would wait for the next Des Moines poll before crowing.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)RandySF
(58,874 posts)postatomic
(1,771 posts)Great news.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Whow. Just saw this a few minutes ago elsewhere.
Nov 3 New Hampshire Monmouth--> Clinton 48, Sanders 45
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-narrowly-pulls-ahead-sanders-new-hampshire-n456511
Nov 3 2015, 12:19 pm ET
Clinton Narrowly Pulls Ahead of Sanders in New Hampshire
by Alex Seitz-Wald
2:23
Reversing the trend of the late summer, Hillary Clinton seems to have pulled narrowly ahead of Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire as voters have returned to her camp in the key state where Sanders had been leading for months, according to a new Monmouth University poll.
Clinton now edges Sanders 48% to 45% in the first-in-the-nation primary state, benefiting from a smaller field and increased support from women and others.
Sanders led Clinton consistently from the beginning of August through the beginning of October, but more recent polls has painted a mixed picture and suggested a virtually tied race after Clinton's strong performance in the first Democratic presidential debate and after Vice President Joe Biden decided against a presidential run.
In September's Monmouth poll, Sanders led Clinton 43% to 36% when Biden and lesser candidates Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb were included. And he led by an even larger margin of 49% to 41% when those three candidates were removed, suggesting the dynamic of the two-way race itself has changed.
Sanders' support among key voting blocs -- including younger voters, registered independents and new voters, and men -- seems to have remained largely flat. The change seems to have come from registered Democrats, older voters and women rallying to Clinton.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Well "yes" but not successfully.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM