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Monmouth University Poll: Clinton 45/Sanders 43 in New Hampshire (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2015 OP
Great numbers.What a recovery! nt sufrommich Nov 2015 #1
Awesome! workinclasszero Nov 2015 #2
Really is one of the big places to watch. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #3
BWAHAHAH a survey of 403 likely voters Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #4
Do you think every single person in a state has to participate workinclasszero Nov 2015 #5
Despite being a Sanders supporter, I find this post quite disingenuous onenote Nov 2015 #12
I do NOT subscribe to poll results. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #13
Maybe there is oversampling. And maybe there isn't onenote Nov 2015 #17
Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #19
Some people leap at the opportunity to demonstrate mythology Nov 2015 #20
K AND R! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #6
That's two polls. Quite a change. MineralMan Nov 2015 #7
What is the other poll? I've only seen Monmouth. nt sufrommich Nov 2015 #8
Hmm...there are two threads, each with different numbers. MineralMan Nov 2015 #10
As I said Gore barely won it 51%-47% DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #9
Happy, happy, happy! (nt) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #11
Typical misuse of skewed polls to twist perceptions Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #14
Okay, let me explain what a poll is brooklynite Nov 2015 #15
One of us isn't too bright Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #16
Actually its weighted to reflect to the 2008 turnout. onenote Nov 2015 #18
Nice comeback, Hillary! All your excellent work is showing results! Cha Nov 2015 #21
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Really is one of the big places to watch.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015

It's a must for Sanders as he has decided to run a smaller campaign. Money isn't needed as bad in such a small state and Sanders is on more equal ground there considering the restrictions he has placed on his campaign. The party will unify around her, not that they haven't already, if she takes NH.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
4. BWAHAHAH a survey of 403 likely voters
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:40 PM
Nov 2015

The Monmouth University Poll
was conducted by telephone from
October 29 to November 1, 2015 with
403 New Hampshire voters likely to vote in
the Democratic presidential primary
.

This sample has a margin of error of +4.9 percent.
The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University
Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.


The poll has Hillary gaining with women!
Suprise, NOT.

sample included 173 males, 230 females
LOL, what a pitiful poll.

403 New Hampshire voters likely to vote
What a pitiful sample size!
LULZ

onenote

(42,704 posts)
12. Despite being a Sanders supporter, I find this post quite disingenuous
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

Earlier today you posted to a PPP poll that showed Carson tied with Clinton nationally. The sample size of that poll (representing over 118 million voters, based on 2012 turnout) was around 1300. The NH poll surveyed 403 voters (representing around 403,000 voters, based on 2012 NH Democratic Primary turnout).

I haven't posted the results of any polls because at this stage I don't think they're as meaningful as some would have it. Whether this is a year in which the polls capture where the electorate really is at probably won't be known until the first couple of primaries. But if you're going to tout a poll, don't attack other polls on grounds that the polls you rely on can be attacked as well.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
13. I do NOT subscribe to poll results.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

Political polling only serves
to influence perceptions,
not predict outcomes.

Hence, this poll which over samples
females, (about 30% more F than M)
shows Hillary closing the gap with Bernie.

The overall small sample size,
disproportionate sample of women,
and the large margin of error create
an illusion that Hillary is gaining.

It's actually pollsters putting their
thumb on the scale to create a false perception
which the Hillary *fanwagon* touts as a win.

It's transparent manipulation of statistics
under the guise of a *science* used to
distort of reality.

Sanders retains the same advantage he held two months ago among certain voting blocs. He leads Clinton among men by 54% - 37% similar to his edge in September (51% - 40%); among voters under age 50 by 54% - 36%, also similar to two months ago (51% - 40%); and among registered independents and new voters who are likely to vote for the first time in February by 59% - 35%, again similar to September (53% - 34%).

Clinton, on the other hand, has reversed deficits she held among women – now leading Sanders 56% - 37% compared to trailing 42% - 47% in September – and among voters age 50 and older – now leading 56% - 38% compared to trailing 42% - 47% two months ago.


This disparity in results can be
attributed to over sampling women...

TOTAL 403 MALE 173 FEMALE 230

Any wonder the poll found she
"reversed deficits she held among women"

As to the change in the "Over 50" group...
There are no crosstabs on age and gender
but it's safe to say the over 50 are
predominately female because the shift
tracks with gender.

The ONLY thing disingenuous in pretending
that Hillary is actually gaining on Bernie.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
17. Maybe there is oversampling. And maybe there isn't
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

The exit polls from the 2008 New Hampshire Democratic primary indicate that women voted in disproportionate numbers to men: 57 percent to 43 percent -- which is probably why those percentages were used in the Monmouth poll. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM

Are those numbers going to be correct in 2016 just because that's what they were in 2008? Who knows? But that's my point -- until we actually see some actual voting I don't think we can be certain that past years are accurate predictors of this year -- in ANY poll.

My other point stands: its kinda silly for you to mock a New Hampshire-specific poll for having only 403 participants (representing less than 2 tenths of one percent of the actual voting base) but to post a national poll that had only 1300 participants (representing around 7 one hundredths of one percent of the actual voting base).

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. Some people leap at the opportunity to demonstrate
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

A complete and utter lack of knowledge on a subject. That is a completely valid sample size. It makes you look painfully ignorant to dismiss it.

It's your business of course, but nobody remembers the unskewthepolls.com guy as anything but a fool.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. That's two polls. Quite a change.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:46 PM
Nov 2015

It's still not a clear and commanding lead, as it is now in Iowa, but it's significant in terms of change.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. Hmm...there are two threads, each with different numbers.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

Both appear to be about the Monmouth poll, though. I haven't gone to sources yet.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. As I said Gore barely won it 51%-47%
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

And if there is a hotly contested GOP race some indys will vote in that race.

All is good.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
14. Typical misuse of skewed polls to twist perceptions
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015
Sanders retains the same advantage he held two months ago among certain voting blocs. He leads Clinton among men by 54% - 37% similar to his edge in September (51% - 40%); among voters under age 50 by 54% - 36%, also similar to two months ago (51% - 40%); and among registered independents and new voters who are likely to vote for the first time in February by 59% - 35%, again similar to September (53% - 34%).

Clinton, on the other hand, has reversed deficits she held among women – now leading Sanders 56% - 37% compared to trailing 42% - 47% in September – and among voters age 50 and older – now leading 56% - 38% compared to trailing 42% - 47% two months ago.



This disparity in results can be
attributed to over sampling women...

TOTAL 403 MALE 173 FEMALE 230


Any wonder the poll found she
"reversed deficits she held among women"

As to the change in the "Over 50" group...
There are no crosstabs on age and gender
but it's safe to say the "over 50" are
predominately female because the shift
tracks with percentage change within gender.

30% more females polled correlates with the
shift in percentages.

Hillary is NOT gaining.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
15. Okay, let me explain what a poll is
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:42 PM
Nov 2015

A poll is a set of questions asked of a profiled population set. The larger the set (say "women&quot the more accurate the response will be. However, the broad strokes of the survey will be accurate regardless of the sample size.

When you complain that "of course her share of women went up" because of a larger sample size, you're suggesting that all the additional women survey (presumably intentionally?) supported Clinton. If Sanders was ahead with women in a small sample, he should be ahead with women in a large one.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
16. One of us isn't too bright
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015
When you complain that "of course her share of women went up" because of a larger sample size, you're suggesting that all the additional women survey (presumably intentionally?) supported Clinton. If Sanders was ahead with women in a small sample, he should be ahead with women in a large one.


If women give Hillary a slight advantage
decreasing men and adding women
will NOT result in Bernie remaining ahead

Its blatantly weighting the sample to favor Hillary.
FFS, how about some intellectual honesty.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
18. Actually its weighted to reflect to the 2008 turnout.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM

As I said upthread, I don't know whether or not the 2016 turnout will breakdown along the same lines as the 2008 turnout and that, not some theory that this poll is part of an anti-Bernie "manipulation of statistics" is why I discount it.

It's also why I discount every other poll.
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