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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:26 AM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton Meets With Mothers Of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, Michael Brown And Tamir Rice

compiled at Daily Kos:


The Week reports:

On Monday, Hillary Clinton met with the families of several African-American teenagers and children who died in shootings to discuss their experiences and her plans for "commonsense" gun control.

Clinton spent more than two hours in Chicago meeting with more than a dozen mothers who lost their children to gun violence, including the mothers of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old killed in 2012 in Florida by former neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman; Jordan Davis, a 17-year-old killed in a 2014 shooting that started with a complaint about loud music; Michael Brown, the 18-year-old killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, in a shooting that sparked unrest in the town; and Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old shot and killed by police in Cleveland while carrying an airsoft gun.


The Huffington Post reports:

"She is a mother and she is a woman and I felt she understood where we were coming from," said Samaria Rice told CNN. "It doesn't matter what color we are, I felt that she really understand where we are coming from."

Also in attendance was the family of Hadiya Pendleton, a 15-year-old girl fatally shot by a gang member in Chicago just weeks after she performed at President Barack Obama's 2013 inauguration. First lady Michelle Obama attended her funeral.

Clinton has been vocally supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement for racial justice, which gained prominence following Martin's death.

“We all have a responsibility to face these hard truths about race and justice honestly and directly,” she said in a July speech.

Time reports:

According to the women, Clinton did not make any explicit promises to them, but did pledge to stay engaged in their causes and work on criminal justice reform. All of them women described the meeting as productive and said Clinton appeared earnest and trustworthy.

Fulton, Martin's mother, said the meeting with Clinton was "powerful" and "productive."

"It was a very powerful meeting, it was very powerful," she said.

"I think that it was very productive," Hamilton said after the gathering. "I think that all the work that the mothers are doing on behalf of our loved ones, it is working. People are asking to hear our stories. People are asking to find out what kind of legislation and policies we are changing."

She added: "We are hoping that her being a mother, being a grandmother that once she gets in office (she) can be effective to help all people, not just the black people, Hispanic people, everybody."

Clinton tweeted about the meeting afterward, saying that she was "grateful to spend time today with mothers who have lost a child to violence and turned their grief into a national call to action."

Clinton later pointed out the tragedy that occurred while the meeting was happening:

While in Chicago discussing the way forward, another child dies from gun violence just miles away. Devastating. https://t.co/3mXyMSTsxk -H
— Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton November 3, 2015

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Hillary Clinton Meets With Mothers Of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, Michael Brown And Tamir Rice (Original Post) bigtree Nov 2015 OP
K AND R! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1
The moms were grateful for opportunity to talk with Hillary. They know she will riversedge Nov 2015 #2
How about condeming the police who do the shooting and not just guns Robbins Nov 2015 #3
I don't think pols should 'shut up' about gun violence and gun safety measures bigtree Nov 2015 #4
Zimmerman wasn't a cop trumad Nov 2015 #5
Didn't Bush also visit New Orleans long after the damage was done? berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #6
My thoughts exactly. +1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #30
Bush was directly responsible for the neglect in New Orleans bigtree Nov 2015 #32
Of COURSE not She just happened to be in the neighborhood.... pangaia Nov 2015 #48
whatta disgusting case of naked political opportunism stupidicus Nov 2015 #7
Cornel West! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #34
I don't know why this comment was allowed to stand I was juror #4 rbrnmw Nov 2015 #35
Thanks for being the lone voice on that jury. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #36
It makes me sad and it's only getting worse rbrnmw Nov 2015 #37
whatta shocker stupidicus Nov 2015 #59
Unbelievable the butthurt of some Sanders supporters over this. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #44
odd, I am experiencing no pain stupidicus Nov 2015 #60
First stage: denial. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #61
thanks for conceding/identifying your problem stupidicus Nov 2015 #65
The denial of some Sanders supporters is indeed a problem. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #66
yep, Hillarians making that kinda stuff up stupidicus Nov 2015 #68
Classic Catch-22. If she meets with the mothers, she is a phony political opportunist Midnight Writer Nov 2015 #63
True, although if you're going to get bashed no matter what, might as well do it. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #67
"She is a mother and she is a woman ... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #8
yer smarts. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #9
piling on Tamir Rice's mom? bigtree Nov 2015 #10
Tamir Rice's mom AlbertCat Nov 2015 #11
she made the statement about 'she's a mother and she is a woman' bigtree Nov 2015 #14
All I have to say is this sub thread makes me so very sad. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #40
Kick em when they're down! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #26
Remember when Sanders met with Sandra Bland's family and issued a press release? frylock Nov 2015 #12
I must have missed the 'press release' from her campaign bigtree Nov 2015 #16
I'm sure all these articles about the meeting are completely organic. frylock Nov 2015 #18
the moms spoke with the press bigtree Nov 2015 #19
The Bland family called the press.. frylock Nov 2015 #20
did it occur to you that this meeting might be important to these families bigtree Nov 2015 #22
I'm sure it is, just as it's important to Hillary's campaign.. frylock Nov 2015 #25
The press follows her every move and camps outside her residence. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #27
ha! bigtree Nov 2015 #29
Thanks. My work is done here. frylock Nov 2015 #31
your 'work' in this thread bigtree Nov 2015 #33
so, basically.. you lied. gotcha. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #54
Where did I lie? frylock Nov 2015 #55
You just can't stop yourself. shenmue Nov 2015 #64
Staged caring. Wonderful. Fearless Nov 2015 #13
how was it 'staged?' bigtree Nov 2015 #15
Seriously? Fearless Nov 2015 #46
you can't go there without impuning the families bigtree Nov 2015 #47
Complete bull. Fearless Nov 2015 #49
the Clinton campaign didn't issue a press release (no stroking any ego) bigtree Nov 2015 #50
Wrong. Fearless Nov 2015 #51
that tweet doesn't deserve all of the haranguing bigtree Nov 2015 #53
You don't know Hillary, I do. Beacool Nov 2015 #56
Do I care? It's still staged caring. Fearless Nov 2015 #62
Great news floriduck Nov 2015 #17
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #21
It's perfectly clear that around here if Hillary does anything it's twisted shamefully. nolabear Nov 2015 #23
I agree, nolabear bigtree Nov 2015 #24
Needs more Cornel West! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #28
Hillary bad, Hillary bad mcar Nov 2015 #42
+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #45
I agree Dem2 Nov 2015 #52
That's why this site is not a good place for Hillary supporters. Beacool Nov 2015 #57
I agree. This kind of thing is really sad. Tipperary Nov 2015 #58
I surely hope monicaangela Nov 2015 #38
hmm bigtree Nov 2015 #39
Yes, monicaangela Nov 2015 #41
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #43
if Bernie did it, copycats must too 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #69

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
2. The moms were grateful for opportunity to talk with Hillary. They know she will
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:40 AM
Nov 2015

do everything possible to keep kids safe from guns.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
3. How about condeming the police who do the shooting and not just guns
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

Untill that day happens pols need to shut up.

Clinton pushing for any reforms of police is BS.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
4. I don't think pols should 'shut up' about gun violence and gun safety measures
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:17 AM
Nov 2015
Hillary Clinton calls for mandatory police body cameras, end 'era of mass incarceration'

Hillary Rodham Clinton Backs U.S. Inquiry Into Police Chokehold Death

“There is something profoundly wrong when African-American men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than are meted out to their white counterparts,” Mrs. Clinton said in her first major policy speech in April.

"There is something wrong when a third of all black men face the prospect of prison during their lifetimes,” Clinton said. “We have allowed our criminal justice system to get out of balance and these recent tragedies should galvanize us to come together as a nation to find our balance again.”

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
6. Didn't Bush also visit New Orleans long after the damage was done?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

Just asking... you don't think this is all organized by her campaign and all for photo-ops... do you?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
32. Bush was directly responsible for the neglect in New Orleans
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:00 PM
Nov 2015

...where are these photo-ops you speak of from this private meeting?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
48. Of COURSE not She just happened to be in the neighborhood....
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015

along with reporters, camera folks, photographers.....

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
7. whatta disgusting case of naked political opportunism
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:49 AM
Nov 2015

maybe she should take a trip overseas and have a pow wow with the parents of all those cluster bomb victims, and explain her deep and unexplainable love for that evil...

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
35. I don't know why this comment was allowed to stand I was juror #4
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

You should apologize to OP for turning something good into a way to bash Hillary.


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BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
36. Thanks for being the lone voice on that jury.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

It's shameful when a hateful post of the Democratic Party front-runner is allowed to stand and is even rewarded for it.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
37. It makes me sad and it's only getting worse
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

Hate doesn't play well with most Democrats we tend to be nauseated by it.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
44. Unbelievable the butthurt of some Sanders supporters over this.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Nov 2015

All I can figure is it is sour grapes because they know their candidate does not have the warmth and people skills to comfort a grieving mom like this. As one DUer noted, Sanders has the warmth of Richard Nixon. He just seems to have one speed: outrage. All he seems adept at doing is stabbing at the air with his finger while railing at oligarchs. Not all situations call for that.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
60. odd, I am experiencing no pain
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:44 PM
Nov 2015

It looks like that's pretty much confined to the cluster bomb supporter supporters.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
66. The denial of some Sanders supporters is indeed a problem.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:31 PM
Nov 2015

I don't deny that. Nor is it my problem. It's actually Sanders' problem, since it is hurting his campaign. But carry on, please do.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
68. yep, Hillarians making that kinda stuff up
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

while hilarious, really only validates what Sanders supporters have been saying about them.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
63. Classic Catch-22. If she meets with the mothers, she is a phony political opportunist
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:45 AM
Nov 2015

If she DOESN'T meet with the mothers, she is a cold-hearted Pol who doesn't give a shit.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
67. True, although if you're going to get bashed no matter what, might as well do it.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

There will always be cynics.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
8. "She is a mother and she is a woman ...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:03 PM
Nov 2015

She Is? I didn't know that!

Can she be a mother and not a woman?

Well, y'know, men just don't get it I suppose. We're so dumb!


As long as any gender card is not played.... this is fine, right?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
11. Tamir Rice's mom
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

No, just opportunism. (nice try, bigtree)

Well, we know Hillary knows how to meet with people.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. she made the statement about 'she's a mother and she is a woman'
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

...that you criticized.

NONE of these mothers expressed that they believed this visit to be 'opportunism.' Yet, you feel comfortable making that judgment while ridiculing this mother's expression of appreciation for the visit.

I gotta go with the moms. They've banded together for their cause and, no doubt, this visit enhances their advocacy. Presidential campaign politics is an opportunity for these candidates to show us where they stand. On Monday, Hillary stood with these families negatively impacted by police and gun violence.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
40. All I have to say is this sub thread makes me so very sad.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Nov 2015

I just pray that none of these people have to go through the loss of a child. It has to be harrowing.


Big Tree, you are a bigger person than me. I couldn't show your restraint.




bigtree

(85,998 posts)
16. I must have missed the 'press release' from her campaign
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:21 PM
Nov 2015

...does one really exist? I don't think there was one.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
19. the moms spoke with the press
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

...maybe you should read one of their accounts.

How did we find out about Bernie's visit?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. The Bland family called the press..
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:36 PM
Nov 2015

I suppose these families did speak with the press who was in tow. I do know Sanders never tweeted about his meeting.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
22. did it occur to you that this meeting might be important to these families
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

...and their advocacy?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
25. I'm sure it is, just as it's important to Hillary's campaign..
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

This could've been done quietly, with no press, and then maybe a couple days later it would've been leaked to the press by a family member, like Sanders' meeting with the Blands.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
29. ha!
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:56 PM
Nov 2015
"This could've been done quietly, with no press..."


With Hillary as the target? In what universe?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
47. you can't go there without impuning the families
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:40 PM
Nov 2015

...you show absolutely zero respect for these families with this nonsense.

You can't 'stage' a private event with no recording and no photos; nothing except the accounts of the mothers, themselves. The shallowness here is unbelievable - all the while acting like it's Clinton with the insensitivity problem. Your comments are a sad joke.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
49. Complete bull.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

When you issue a press release stroking your own ego, you're stroking your own ego. It's really quite simple.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
50. the Clinton campaign didn't issue a press release (no stroking any ego)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:53 PM
Nov 2015

...seeing that's where you begin and end your argument, I'd say you're criticism is actually the bull here.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
51. Wrong.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:19 PM
Nov 2015

For instance... from Twitter... "Later, Clinton tweeted she was "grateful to spend time today with mothers who have lost a child to violence and turned their grief into a national call to action."

See my previous statement. This was a political ploy made to make a political statement.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
53. that tweet doesn't deserve all of the haranguing
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:33 AM
Nov 2015

...talk about opportunism,

You've made this dishonest attack based on that tweet? It's not a press release, and it makes a very important point, for those actually concerned with the issues raised. Went right over your head while you were fishing around in the gutter.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
56. You don't know Hillary, I do.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

Where do you get off making that assumption? You don't get a free pass to state nonsense just because you prefer another candidate. Hillary is very caring, she's a good person.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
23. It's perfectly clear that around here if Hillary does anything it's twisted shamefully.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:47 PM
Nov 2015

Opportunistic, not an actual show of support for women whose children died because of bad policy that she seeks to help change. Sexist because it addresses her understanding as a mother and grandmother of their grief. Dishonest because she didn't do some unfathomable thing rather than let hecklers take over (note she has met with people in the BLM movement and openly seeks to do so more).

This place gets really, really contemptible sometimes in its blanket attempts at trying to turn Hillary into a Bond villain.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
42. Hillary bad, Hillary bad
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

We've spent 7 years here with the "Obama bad" theme. It's being shifted to candidate Clinton.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
52. I agree
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:26 PM
Nov 2015

The reactions by some are very negative, the kind of spin I'd expect to see published by the Washington Times (or similar.)

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
57. That's why this site is not a good place for Hillary supporters.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

Some of the comments have nothing to do with difference in policies and are just vicious and personal. They are the kind of comments one can expect to read on a RW site, why should one have to read them on a Democratic site?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
58. I agree. This kind of thing is really sad.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

I would not make these ugly attacks aboutBernie Sanders.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
38. I surely hope
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:31 PM
Nov 2015

that after having this meeting with these bereaved mothers Hillary Clinton, if she gets the nomination and then wins the presidency will do something to stop the violence, to clean up the police force, to stop her husband from investing in private prisons, and so many other things that need to be done in this country so that incidents like those that took the lives of the children of these mothers and others can be ended or at least prosecuted in this country.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/23/clinton-intercept-story-prisons/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-company-pledged-2-million-to-clinton-foundation-in-2013/

http://geopolitics.co/2015/03/22/clinton-foundations-deep-financial-ties-to-ukrainian-oligarch/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/politics/clinton-foundation-bank-ties-donors-2016/index.html

And then there is this: http://www.naturalnews.com/046337_Hillary_Clinton_biotech_industry_presidential_campaign.html

Hillary Clinton is backed by many big media firms, if she wanted, she could do something now, she could ask those who are backing her to begin a campaign against bad policing. If she doesn't do something to try to curb the violence against black people in this country, she will have done something that in my mind would be unforgiveable. To meet with parents of children who have lost their lives due to gun violence and bad cops, and walk away without making at least a promise to make criminal justice reform a major part of her campaign says a lot. Even if she doesn't intend to do anything in the future, what would it hurt to give these poor mothers some hope. It leads me to believe she didn't make any promises because she really doesn't intend to do much if anything.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/media-fundraisers-presidential/

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
41. Yes,
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

When she began her campaign for the presidency she made a lot of changes to what had been her families personal practices. As the articles I posted state, she agrees to stop accepting funding from companies that have funded her foundation since her family started it. Hillary has a way of trying to get on the right side of an issue when it benefits her, there is no doubt about that... Some call it finger in the wind politicians, you know, the kind that goes whichever way the wind blows until they are elected and then all bets are off. Also too, if you will read what her "fairer sentencing entails, it is talking about crack cocaine, something that everybody and his/her grandmother has known to be unfair for years. It is that bait and switch tactic...I'm going to fix the drug laws and make them more fair, I'm going to make sure powder cocaine and crack cocaine are dealt with on an equal basis, and not unfairly as it is today. Unfair drug laws deals with the fact that sentencing is partial, and racist. It is a well known fact that the population as a whole does drugs about the same amount equally, however you might notice that there are more Caucasians in this country, and by the way, they do drugs equal to or more than minorities, but if you look at the prison system you will notice an overwhelming presence of minorities for drug offenses and much less of the Caucasian population...are they just being overlooked? Or is law enforcement, the courts and the justice system as a whole biased? Hillary's platform doesn't go far enough IMHO.

I truly hope you are right about her. There is nothing I would like better than a President that will be for the middle class and the poor, and not so much for their peers as most politicians are today in this corporatist society we have right now, a society that is when it comes to black people beginning to look like a Police State.

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