POLLS: Ben Carson ahead of Hillary Clinton

[Cosmic Kitten]

The *Polls* have spoken, Hillary is losing
to new GOP front runner, Ben Carson.

Hillary is no longer the "most electable".

Ben Carson runs best against Hillary Clinton out of GOP hopefuls: poll
Mr. Carson and Mrs. Clinton were tied at 44 percent apiece, according to the survey from the Democratic-leaning firm Public Policy Polling, and Mr.
Carson had an 8-point, 43 percent to 35 percent advantage over Mrs. Clinton among independents.

Mrs. Clinton had a 55 percent unfavorable/36 percent favorable split
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/3/carson-best-of-gop-hopefuls-against-clinton-poll

'Electable' Hillary Clinton trails Ben Carson, tied with Donald Trump in new poll.
Hillary Clinton who is often touted by her supporters as the most 'electable' Democrat and the only one capable of defeating whoever is the Republican nominee next November, does poorly against quite a few of them in a new Morning Consult poll. She trails Ben Carson 42/41, Carson has made a number of outrageous comments just recently comparing abortion to slavery. She's tied with Donald Trump at 43/43 who is widely regarded as the easiest Republican candidate to beat. Jeb Bush is tied with her at 41/41 despite his flailing campaign.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/27/1440822/--Electable-Hillary-Clinton-trails-Ben-Carson-tied-with-Donald-Trump-in-new-poll

REAL CLEAR POLITICS POLLING
has Hillary trailing Ben Carson.

General Election: Carson vs. Clinton
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html

Hillary has a Ben Carson problem

[Blue_Adept]

1. See, the difference here is...

Especially after watching the last two GOP election cycles, is that there's no clear trendlines to work with when it comes to their primaries for the most part.

Dem primaries seem to track fairly well.

GOP primaries tend to be flavor of the week/month events and that causes these kinds of outlier spikes that makes no sense until it actually settles on a candidate.

[Cosmic Kitten]

2. The *trend* is Hillary trails Republicans

[JaneyVee]

23. Cool. Looking forward to their debates!

Where Carson will get shellacked on every global and domestic issue.

[Blue_Adept]

33. A trend from two months ago?

Elsewhere in these here parts I see that "two weeks is a lifetime in primary politics." What does two months ago equal?

Seriously, this is just reaching in a huge way. It makes a lot of us look bad, sad and pretty pathetic.

[Sheepshank]

69. DECEPTIVE.... the poll was amongst INDEPENDENTS, 2 months ago

OP has an agenda...........and it's not taking care of the Democratic agenda.

[Cosmic Kitten]

5. Anything new? Hillary is STILL trailing, Carson is surging!

[brush]

77. You do know the purpose of this site, right? It's to help Dems get elected . . .

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not shill for repugs.

That's what it seems like, or is it just to hurt Hillary?

Either way, Bernie would not approve.

[sufrommich]

7. Today is Nov.3rd. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

11. And Hillary is still trailing....soooo?

[riversedge]

51. Then post the newer polls instead of wasting people's time with OLD posts.

[NCTraveler]

4. Excellent point. We can't get too confident.

This will dramatically change once we are out of the primaries. If Sanders or Clinton go into the general neck and neck with a Carson, there is a good chance it is simply over for the republicans. But we can't get cozy. The difference in ideas during a Carson/Clinton debate would be great for the party and society. They should let Carson bring back up to the debate. It's the only way it will be fair.

[Cosmic Kitten]

8. Because *Bernibros* will vote for Hillary? BWahahaha

[NCTraveler]

22. I have seen TWManny reference bernibros over and over again here.

I'm not sure what a berniebro is. Really don't care. Those are things for others to concern themselves with. I didn't get into the whole PUMA thing either. These things are so insignificant that they just aren't issues for me.

Whoever berniebros are, they can vote as they wish. I never said otherwise. Never even insinuated it. How could I, I have no clue as to your concern with the group you are referencing.

[JackInGreen]

28. It's a bullying term

Used to equate bernie supporters with trilby wearing MRA types and other various gamergate-ish rodents. Nothing more or less.

[NCTraveler]

35. Interesting. I had no clue and I'm here every day.

I have seen it referenced by TWManny over and over again but have seen it few other places. Seems to be significant to said poster in this campaign. I don't see it having any significance as they do.

[JackInGreen]

48. I only see that it's bullying

Less a 'bernista' or 'hillcat', meant only with intent to hurt and lessen...
you havnt seen em?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251752761

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/here-comes-the-berniebro-bernie-sanders/411070/


There are others from the HRC group and a few from madfloridian and Manny making fun of it, just another nasty name in a nasty campaign.

[PADemD]

14. Carson/Clinton debate

Neither one would articulate their detailed plans for our country.

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. Because the *Plan* is oligarchy!

Ya can't articulate that and not expect pitchforks!

[NorthCarolina]

6. Only 1 Dem candidate bests ALL of the GOP candidates in polling, and

it ain't Hillary.

[Cosmic Kitten]

9. Yep!

[Art_from_Ark]

47. But Hillary's the only one who can win

I read it right here on DU

[Cosmic Kitten]

13. True!

[Bucky]

12. I love the Carson candidacy. I never saw a candidate with such a glass jaw before.

Sorry, but even Bernie Sanders would clobber Carson. No one's touching him with negs cause he's not nominateable. He'll fade. He's a distraction; he's Santorum with a talent for surgery, only he's less engaging (and less reasonable(!)) than Santorum. He won't draw votes outside the very narrow Fundamentalist base.

Embarrassingly for Republicans, there also will be a quiet stay-home factor for Carson in the general election--in part due to race and in part due to the wacky-assed things he says. He'll make Virginia & North Carolina viable. He'll put Arizona and possibly Indiana in play. I can't envision a weaker Republican candidate. Sadly, they won't nominate him.

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. Hillary is loseing to a glass jaw?

Have you seen her UNFAVORABLE numbers?
55% UNFAVORABLE!
Yikes!

[INdemo]

41. What ?

You didn't get an alert from the Hillary group for that comment?
Unbelievable ....

[Bucky]

50. This far out, before he's gotten exposure outside the fundy base, it's not a significant poll.

Maybe you don't understand the concept of the "glass jaw" idiom. It looks solid; it feels solid. But once someone takes a serious punch at him, he shatters & falls apart. Republicans are scared to go after him; they need the fundamentalists who are flocking to him. The racial optics of digging in on his negatives aren't good for them either, but this is mostly about the base he's carrying, not race. Once we get into a general election (which we won't) you'll see how weak a candidate Carson is.

Republicans tend to think Carson will dig into our African-American voting base because (and only because) he's black and has an inspirational personal story (he really does, too). They think they're getting another Colin Powell, only with acceptable social views. They don't get that a Dem with a proven record of service to the black community with strong ties to established community leaders and a husband with a serious track record is going to beat their "personal story" narrative. Maybe it'll be 80-20 instead of 90-10, but Carson is not the Powell-with-a-scalpel they imagine.

All of which is moot. Carson won't be nominated and probably won't ever have to weather a real negative attack like we know Republicans can unleash when things don't go their way. He'll live in the special bubble God has made for him and continue to make huge speaking fees and get interviewed on Fox News for the next 30 years. He seems like a nice, if totally wacky guy, but he's not going to be a factor in this or any other election year.

[sufrommich]

54. "republicans tend to think Carson will dig into our African-American voting base because

(and only because) he's black.


The OP believes that garbage too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=757007

[Bucky]

55. Well, then the OP is full of horsepucky. But for the record...

I said his inspirational personal story is as big a factor too. It's not like they just pulled some random black guy off the street and said, "Hey, buddy, you run for president for us." He truly did some amazing things as a healer and really does speak the language of the Bible groping screwballs. If you watch enough Fox News, it all makes perfect sense strategically.

[leftofcool]

15. And Carson is about to go down the tubes.

New info on medical malpractice and all................

[Cosmic Kitten]

20. Does he have an FBI Email scandal too?

[brooklynite]

26. Does Clinton?

One other bright data point for the Clinton campaign: She appears to have convinced more voters that her use of a private email server is not a game-changing issue

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/hillary-clinton-increases-her-lead-over-bernie-sanders-n456111

[Art_from_Ark]

63. The FBI is still investigating her

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article41972739.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. The FBI will not save your candidate.

[Cha]

75. lol

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. That's what they are counting on, sadly.

[Art_from_Ark]

80. But the FBI might sink YOUR candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. The FBI investigates. The DOJ prosecutes.

This is basic Law And Order stuff, albeit on a federal level

Don't get your hopes up.

Well, you could hope there was a Republican administration but at that point they and everybody else would have lost interest in this partisan charade.

[sufrommich]

27. Interesting. nt

[leftofcool]

53. Interesting that you seem to support Carson.

[sufrommich]

16. Your Washington Times link is 2 months old.

Your cited RCP poll is 2 weeks old.

Your other link is just someone's diary at Daily Kos.

[Cosmic Kitten]

19. I have a calendar thanks... is Hillary *winning* yet?

Got any POLLS to show she's gaining

[sufrommich]

29. You made the claim that she's losing to Carson as of today.

Shouldn't the burden be on you to prove it using updated polls?

[SidDithers]

24. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

and, apparently, they both love the Washington Moonie Times.



Sid

[Cosmic Kitten]

37. HAHAHA attack the publisher! Why not attack the people polled?!?!

Attacking the messenger

[Cha]

70. Well Done, Dude!

[DCBob]

25. Staaaaale polls... all appear to be pre-debate, pre-Biden, pre-Benghazi.

She will surpass any of these RW loons once things settle and there is a single GOP opponent.

[Cosmic Kitten]

38. THe swarm is out this morning! Wooooo

[DCBob]

44. Expect to be swarmed when you post garbage.

[Cosmic Kitten]

46. At least you conceed the tactics and purpose

[DCBob]

49. Correcting a misleading post is a "tactic"??

So what your tactic and purpose for posting such garbage?

[JTFrog]

62. Talk about blatant tactics...

Toss out some chum. Churn the waters. Reel in an empty line. Accuse everyone around you of bad behavior. Try again tomorrow.

[Cosmic Kitten]

67. Polls are chum now?

So every poll poste by team weathervane is chum?

Look, Candidate Inevitable is LOOSING
to a virtually unknown, outsider, physician,
as an AA, in a racist political party!

FFS, how could she POSSIBLY be loosing
to such an absurd candidate?

She has a BIG PROBLEM if she cant beat Carson.

[JTFrog]

68. When you post it in a misleading fashion, yea, it's nothing but chum.

Several people in this thread have called you out on your dishonesty.

It is what it is.

[Cha]

71. You can't post facts or you're a "swarm". The OP has an agenda and you're not going to take that

with pesky reality.

[RandySF]

30. The Washington Times?

Seriously? And September 3?

[Cosmic Kitten]

39. Things are buzzing in the swarm today!

[RandySF]

74. Are you familiar with the Times?

It's a right wing rag owned by the Moonies.

[oasis]

93. September 3 !!!!!! How about some baseball scores?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Res ipsa loquitur

The sexagenarian neurosurgeon from the state of Maryland is actually beating the septuagenarian senator from the state of Vermont:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_sanders-5677.html


worse than he is beating Secretary Clinton:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html

[Historic NY]

32. Ben Carson on Americans: "Many of Them Are Stupid."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/in-speech-ben-carson-says-many-americans-are-stupid

[WI_DEM]

34. and GOP candidates were beating Obama in 2011

Even Gallup had Romney winning up until their final poll. Right now the GOP candidates are getting the most attention. There hasn't been a campaign and many have no idea what Carson stands for.

[workinclasszero]

36. Sure wait until the GE and this is on the air 24/7..

Carson's violent past: Bricks, bats, hammers
Eric Bradner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 10:18 AM ET, Mon October 26, 2015

Washington (CNN)Ben Carson says he's soft-spoken now -- but he hasn't always been so calm.

"As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone," Carson said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/ben-carson-violent-past-donald-trump/

***And he wants to destroy Medicare!***

Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
The GOP frontrunner in the latest Iowa poll would replace Medicare and Medicaid with savings accounts.
By KYLE CHENEY and JASON MILLMAN 10/22/15 07:40 PM EDT

Republicans have fended off accusations for years that they'd gut Medicare for seniors and end the program "as we know it."

Not Ben Carson. The former neurosurgeon acknowledges he would abolish the program altogether.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-medicare-medicaid-215055

If this dangerous nutcase gets the rethuglican nomination Hillary will win the GE in a landslide and her coattails will be long!

[Cosmic Kitten]

42. Was Ben ever in Bosnia? Wonder who he was named after?

Psychokiller

[Blue_Adept]

43. Pure and utter FUD

I don't see the term FUD around here these days like the days of old. But this utterly qualifies.

FEAR how Hillary's win will cause us to lose

UNCERTAINTY over whether should could handle the weakest of the GOP candidates if shes' being bested by Carson now (or two months ago, using the information provided above).

DOUBT over electability and everything else.

Just disturbing that we have people here going so far to demoralize fellow Democrats. Yeah, yeah, it'll all go away once the primaries are over. That happened last time as well with a solid exodus of members, followed by "purges" of other groups in the years that followed.

The hollowing out of DU continues and it's mostly done by ourselves.

[Cosmic Kitten]

45. Is Hillary WINNING against the GOP front runners yet?

If not, its just FACTS, not FUD

Good Day!

[LonePirate]

52. It's amusing how people are reacting as if Carson is the nominee even though it will never happen

But why let something like that prevent supporters of the two major Dem candidates from slinging mud at each other.

[JTFrog]

56. Even if he was the nominee, the OP has some seriously deluded ideas about Carson.

Let's just say that I'm phrasing that as generously as I can.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251757007

[Bucky]

57. I wonder why it's always "Mr. Carson" instead of "Dr. Carson"

Rand Paul and whoever that Senator Duckface from Tennessee was (Dr. Fish or Dr. Flerf or something) always got the honorific they'd earned.

[SidDithers]

66. It was Frist...

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but I like Flerf much better.

Sid

[Starry Messenger]

58. Amusing to me is how many people screaming about 2008 are running *away* from this

racist swill like the OP was on fire. What's wrong folks? Come call this out, since you care so much.

[restorefreedom]

59. i think we underestimate carson

at our own peril. the righties don't use the same vetting and critical thinking process to select candidates as we do. not trying to be insulting to conservatives, but from what i see, they are more self serving (those at the top) and very visceral working off sound bites (the 99%).

for whatever reason, this guy is popular. and since policy doesn't matter to a whole lot of people, he isn't troubled by that pesky irritant to get support.

[Sheepshank]

60. Are you not done yet with the deceptive articles?

you conveniently left out that the polls was limited to independents.

Carson had an 8-point, 43 percent to 35 percent advantage over Mrs. Clinton among independents.

good fucking Christ, one would have thought you'd have learned from the last OP.

[sufrommich]

61. Good catch. I didn't even notice that.

Makes this OP even more pathetic, if that's possible.

[DCBob]

64. Thanks for catching that.

No doubt that important fact was intentionally left out.

[Cha]

73. Quit "swarming"! LOL

[patsimp]

65. this level of dishonesty is not worthy of DU. The poll is limited to independents.

this is the lying crap that Republicans always do.

are independents the only ones voting in an election.

[valerief]

78. I'm a Bernie supporter, but, that aside, either this poll is bullshit, which means

more media lies and fake "democracy," or this poll is true, which means people are fuckin' dumb as rocks and I'm terrified of the rock people.

Forget the zombie apocalypse. If the poll is true, we have to deal with the rock-brain apocalypse NOW!

[gollygee]

81. It's just polling independent voters

and a lot of independents are libertarians.

[valerief]

84. Libertarians + Republicans = Rock-brain apocalypse!!!

[missingthebigdog]

79. "Mr. Carson led Mr. Sanders by 6 points, 42 percent to 36 percent."

"Mr. Carson led Mr. Sanders by 6 points, 42 percent to 36 percent."

That is from the same Washington Times poll, in the same article you linked. Apparently, none of the democratic candidates can beat the republicans, so we should just pick up our ball and go home. . . . . , though that shouldn't be necessary.

[sabrina 1]

83. She has a GE problem! That's why Trump said he wants her to twing the primaries.

[Persondem]

85. What a worthless OP. One poll from 2 months ago and the other splits

hairs well within the MoE.

Keep trying.

Besides if you think Carson will be the GOP nominee you have no idea about politics in the USA.

[Cosmic Kitten]

87. Most recognized woman in the world losing to an unknown doctor

[Persondem]

90. You must like dwelling in the past. Old news is worthless news.

Emoticon fail. Cuz if you need an emoticon, you got nothing.

[Cosmic Kitten]

91. Almost as much as your dwelling on my dwelling

Thanks for playing

[Persondem]

92. Dwell on this ...

Sanders does worse against Carson than Clinton according to RCP.

Clinton is only down 4.8 points while Sanders is down 7.7

Clinton link here

Sanders link here

[Cosmic Kitten]

95. OMG! Ben Carson will be the next AA President!

It's right there in the polls,
plain as day, Carson is winning!

I guess Hillary wasn't so *electable*
She lost to an unknown doctor.

[Persondem]

96. Yep. You should be proud. It's "good" democrats like you that helped make it happen.

[kelliekat44]

86. Believe me, that would never stick in a national election. Unless there were cheating. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

88. Belive you? Believe YOU? lulz

Why won't it stick in a national election
aka. the *General Election*

[lovemydog]

89. The Washington Times.

Right wing garbage.

Carson seems like a good guy. But I'd never vote for him.

[Persondem]

94. Truth is that Sanders does far worse than Clinton against Sanders

RCP has Clinton down 4.8 while Sanders is down 7.7 to Carson.

And that data is from before Clinton got her October bounce.

So if this is really about electability versus Carson, Clinton wins that comparison easily.