NBC-WSJ Poll-Clinton 62% (+4) Sanders 31% (-2)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Hillary Clinton has increased her dominant lead within the Democratic Party's presidential contest, now besting rival Sen. Bernie Sanders by a margin of two to one among primary voters in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. But the Democratic front-runner remains unpopular with the general electorate, and fewer than a third of Americans give her high marks for being honest and straightforward.

In the new poll, conducted October 25-29, 62 percent of Democrats chose Clinton as their top choice to win their party's presidential nomination, while 31 percent picked Sanders. Former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley received just three percent support.

That's up from Clinton's 25-point lead earlier in October, 58 percent to 33 percent.


http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/hillary-clinton-increases-her-lead-over-bernie-sanders-n456111

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. Too Funny ... This OP was, literally, the first thread I opened this morning ...

(or maybe, the 2nd or 3rd ... but the first after my coffee kicked in) and thought it's going to be a long DU ay!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Do you think there is a positive correlation between her rise in the polls...

Do you think there is a positive correlation between her rise in the polls and the volume and intensity of the attacks on her?

[Armstead]

8. Smugness is not an attractive trait.

I know, I know...."But those Sanders people have been so smug and arrogant before they became desperate and sad"...blah,blah,blah.

But what the fuck good does it do to reduce everything to this personalized attempt to make the goddamn campaign like the bickering and hair pulling dissing of a Reality TV show?

I know it's "fun" to act like you're one of the cool kids because you're friends with the class president, but olitics is a little more serious than that.

.And ys, I have a sense of humor, and my own taste for snark. But I do try to focus on issues involved, and not to make this all just about some psychological projection of my ego (candidate) vs. the other person's ego (their candidate).

If the Sanders campaign is doomed as you like to suggest, what constructive good are you accomplishing by adding to the chorus of smug condescension that is rapidly alienating people who would otherwise be inclined to grumble and complain but ultimately support Clinton if he does become the Dem nom?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. This, my friend

I know, I know...."But those Sanders people have been so smug and arrogant before they became desperate and sad"...blah,blah,blah.

This, my friend. They weren't very nice to me nor to the candidate whom I support. More than one has impugned my character and insulted me without cause. What goes around, comes around.

[Armstead]

11. Well, maybe a better way to be better then that is to be better than that

Just a thought....Diss matches just go on forever in an endless loop unless one or all parties take a step back and realize that it's not going to get anywhere.

(I'm not referring to politically oriented arguments about actual content, but this meta crap about the psychology of supporters of one candidate or the other. Some of my best friends in the real world are Clinton supporters, and we've had some lively arguments about it, but we don't make it personal.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. You are nice and civil to me and I am nice and civil to you.

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I have met a couple of Sanders supporters in real life and I don't browbeat them the way Clinton supporters are browbeaten here.

[stupidicus]

22. a hardy har har

If the Sanders campaign is doomed as you like to suggest, what constructive good are you accomplishing by adding to the chorus of smug condescension that is rapidly alienating people who would otherwise be inclined to grumble and complain but ultimately support Clinton if he does become the Dem nom?

I made largely the same argument to the same crew that were pottymouthing their way through the 2012 pres election, whining about how any and all criticisms of BHO were gonna discourage turnout, etc, like they could Pontius Pilate their way outta the great deal of discouraging they did in that way.

And it's gonna be worse this time around in terms of suppression for that particular cause, because the bad taste from 2012 is still figuratively in the mouths of many.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. If previous conduct can serve as a predictor of future conduct; then, Yes. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. All of a sudden it seems like some folks are arguing...

All of a sudden it seems like some folks are arguing what is good for the goose is no longer good for the gander.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. It's funny ... in a really sad sort of way. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. It will only get funnier and sadder.

EOM

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. I hope not. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. And the attacks will become more personal and vituperative.

One will need to be sheathed in Kevlar to post here.


I expect Hillary and her supporters to be called everything but a child of God.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. It is always darkest before the dawn ...

Or, in the paraphrased words of D.L. Hughley: "A child is always loudest and fussiest, just before bed time ... then, he goes to bed!"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Or "if you don't have hatas you're not doing anything."

EOM

[NurseJackie]

31. Interesting question! It's difficult to be sure, but I suspect that …

… if Bernie's followers spent their time on things that were actively PROMOTING their candidate (rather than attacking and trying to tear-down Hillary) then his poll numbers might be better than they are today.

What this suggests to me is that Bernie has now maxed-out his poll numbers. I think they know this too. So, in an effort to eek-out every last possible point, their only option is to scrape and claw and nip at Hillary's ankles.

To me, it's a sign of weakness and desperation. Trotting out the same old arguments and expired talking points and buzz-words isn't having the desired effect.

It's pretty clear that it's not working, even to an impartial observer. So, you'd think they'd have figured it out and moved on to a different tactic, but apparently they're all out of ideas.

Part of me wants to feel bad for them and the cringe at their pathetic display. But the other part of me can't help but to be amused by it all.

[riversedge]

2. Another 30 pt spread. CONGRATS TO Hillary and her team

Sure wish the GE was this year. Another year!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I believe they are referring to her head to head numbers with the Vermont independent./nt

[workinclasszero]

5. "two to one among primary voters"

Go Hillary!

[sufrommich]

7. The numbers are getting better and better.

[DCBob]

9. I think we can now safely assume all the recent big jumps in Hillary poll numbers are real.

There have been several with similar trend now. The nail in the coffin will be the next polls out of NH which I predict will show about a 10-15 point lead for Hillary.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Skewed! Skewed! Skewed!

There, there.

There, there.

[MoonRiver]

43. Or Screwed! Screwed! Screwed!

And I'm not talking about Hillary's poll numbers!

[JaneyVee]

13. K AND R!

[azurnoir]

14. bravo except that the American people in general do not like her

Hillary Clinton has increased her dominant lead within the Democratic Party's presidential contest, now besting rival Sen. Bernie Sanders by a margin of two to one among primary voters in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. But the Democratic front-runner remains unpopular with the general electorate, and fewer than a third of Americans give her high marks for being honest and straightforward.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/hillary-clinton-increases-her-lead-over-bernie-sanders-n456111

so Hillary wins but from the looks of things Democrats lose

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Democrats like her a lot more than the gentleman in your avatar.

After she dispatches of the independent senator from Vermont in New Hampshire she can go upon the task of improving her favorability numbers with the rest of the electorate. She's going to have a long time.

[azurnoir]

19. one can only hope but lack of recognition is not her problem

everyone knows who she is

[DCBob]

17. Non-stop bashing from RW media does have an impact.

Once there is a choice between her and the GOP candidate it will become clear to most voters Hillary is the best person to lead this country.

[azurnoir]

18. one can only hope however there is a huge mass of disenfranchised voters out there

and that may well be what kills us

[stupidicus]

23. indeed, distrust etc she's earned and deserves

like with her rightwing cousins

[Robbins]

26. When she loses to Trump they can't say sanders supporters didn't warn them

In their rush to cornorate Clinton.

Unlike 2012 we know what voting for corporate Dem gets us

TPP
more war
Increased defense spending

I will never vote for her.I would rather vote for other dems here in Missouri and write in Bernie's name.

Since all us bernie supporters are sexist or racist according to clinton supporters they don't want our votes.

[Shadowflash]

34. Meh.

Apparently there are a lot of people who are happy with the status quo.

[Persondem]

20. Yep. saw this poll first thing this morning. Great numbers.

K & R

[40RatRod]

21. She can thank Trey Gowdy and...

...the Benghazi committee for her jump in the polls.

[MineralMan]

24. 2:1 for Clinton. I expect to see this ratio

continue through the early primaries. The nominee will be clearly known on March 2, 2016 and we can put all of this aside and work toward electing another Democrat to be President.

Really, it will be known sometime in February. New Hampshire is not enough to continue to campaign when every other state goes to your opponent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. You actually predicted a 60-30 split.

I actually expected Secretary Clinton to do a little better.

[MineralMan]

29. I did, as a rough estimate of the polling.

That was based on Biden's decision, the Benghazi hearing and the first debate.

Fairly close. The ratio, though, is more important. A 2:1 lead is more than just substantial. It's almost insurmountable.

Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, we already know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016. All of the dirt has been spread already. Even if it is continued to be spread, it will not affect the outcome.

Still, I expect to begin hearing about Whitewater, Cattle Futures, and even thoroughly debunked scandals like Vince Foster in the coming weeks. Desperation leads people to take desperate measures. It won't change the outcome, though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. She is actually outperforming Al Gore's 00 primary performance and he won every state

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh2dem.htm

[MineralMan]

37. Yes. There should be some new numbers coming out soon

for New Hampshire. I think we might see a swing in Hillary's direction there, too.

It's not at all outside the realm of possibility that Clinton will win all of the February caucuses and primaries. If that happens, it's all over at that point. The numbers for the Super Tuesday states are pretty clear, really, and most of them have not been repolled since the recent events that have changed the numbers so dramatically.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. State polls usually follow national polls as they are drawn from the same universe of voters.

While not determinative history suggests she will pass Bernie in New Hampshire but it is not guaranteed. Gore barely won it 51%-47%.

I wonder if Team Sanders will go scorched earth. That will only precipitate his decline and give credence to the "interloper" argument .

[upaloopa]

27. The anti Hillary OP's will hit new lows I predict

The nastier they get the higher her poll numbers.
I don't even mind them anymore. Just misplaced anger on the part of Bernistas.

[Adrahil]

39. Actually, I suspect we'll more "to hell with this" kinda posts....

There will be calls fro an independent run.... tears... hair pulling....

[Agschmid]

35. Kick.

[108vcd]

40. She Will Not Be Getting My Vote

Done voting for the establishment pick, just like I voted Green Party in 12 after I voted Obama in 08

Voting Hillary is simply voting for the lesser of 2 evils, and I refuse to keep doing that....at some point, one's political convictions have to mean something

[TekGryphon]

45. Well then, bye.

This is Democratic Underground, not I Want My Pony Underground.

If your answer to not getting your absolute most favorite candidate is to denounce the party and try to convince other people to not vote Democratic, then you have no business being here.

I watched people like you work your assess off to get Bush elected in 2000 because you didn't get your pony, and now you're ready to do it all again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I voted for lots of Democratic presidential nominees who weren't my first choice.

I never thought of dividing the center-left vote and enabling a Republican.

[SunSeeker]

48. K & R

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Has it been unskewed yet?

EOM