2016 Postmortem
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The Tale of the Tape: Hillary Clinton's Gay Marriage EvolutionAndrea Bernstein
WNYC
I lived through the actual debate on the Defense of Marriage Act, the one in Congress, where the proponents spent months loudly warning of the dangers of pedophilia, incest, and other abuses they thought gay marriage would usher in. It was a particularly painful time I was a reporter at the New York Observer covering the 1996 campaign, and an out lesbian. I remembered the whole episode as a nasty punch in the gut. The bill passed both houses with gigantic margins.
But Clinton signed the bill. "It was a difficult day," Clinton's openly gay White House adviser, Richard Socarides, told me. "But theres a lot at stake in a presidential election. It was not a tough choice: do you want the guy who is signing this reluctantly because he feels he has to protect his political flank, or do you want to, by your inaction, help elect the person whos proposing it?"
"He signed it," Clinton agreed. "But he signed it because it was something the Congress said, 'Take it or leave it. Youre going to have to do it.' They would have passed it over his veto."
Listening back to that tape recorded on a long-gone cassette recorder it's hard to believe how many questions Clinton took on the issue, until she eventually cried uncle. "I would have voted for it at that time but I think to go back and talk about DOMA now especially...is something that is divisive."
So then, why was she against gay marriage?
Here's the part of her answer that later became famous. "Because I believe marriage means something different. Marriage is about a historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been between a man and a woman."
It's very clear that President Clinton signed DOMA for political expediency. I still don't understand the necessity to rewrite history on this.
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nc4bo
(17,651 posts)So why not stand up for what you believe in and be seen as going down fighting for what is right?
Tv ads are going to appear one way or the other, only the topic will change.
Trust, there can be no trust.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)fortunately they blame the voters whenever this pants-loadingly BRILLIANT strategy fails for the fourth time in a row
it's almost like they're a wealthy, elitist political class that sees us as mere poker chips, providing votes, money, and time and getting in return a party that's glad when it loses because then the pressure to pass bills is off and they can just keep endorsing their checks
but it can't be
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)It's all a part of who she is: she will do and say anything to get elected. And once she is elected, she won't give a thought to those who elected her.
dsc
(52,162 posts)he did so for the very same reason.
It just wasn't the right time.
Seriously... None of our current candidates nailed this issue.
It will be great in 10 years when someone who really led on this issue runs, of course it won't really matter in 10 years and we will be onto the next social wedge issue.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)From OP.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Watch the interview. This is proof you are not being honest about this, not in the least.
I would go through it to find the spot where they discuss this issue but I need to go to work, sorry.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Because the truth is bad for them (her).