Obama to Hillary: Stop Playing the Victim.

[sabrina 1]

Hillary's not so subtle false implication regarding Bernie last week, reminded me that that wasn't the first time she had played the 'gender card'.

I remember this very well.

Was as offended, as a woman, then as I was when she repeated the tactic with Bernie.

Bernie and Obama .....

As Obama said in that interview:

'It's not how we would expect her to operate if she were president'

My question is, since it didn't help her win last time, why on earth would she try doing it again?

Wouldn't it be great if our Politicians, like Bernie, just stuck to the ISSUES rather playing these games especially when it's clear the voters are not interested in seeing this kind of thing.

[FlatBaroque]

1. In the mind of her brain trust, the only possible winning

strategy is to divert attention away from the record and from the issues. By making the race about identity poitics she is able to change the landscape of battle away from the issues and the record, towards something much more base and appealing to the lowest common denom.

[sabrina 1]

3. Yes, obviously they are not very creative, nor do they seem to take lessons from history, recent

history.

She lost the last election, but is using the same awful, negative, embarrassing tactics she used last time.

I'm not complaining, I knew her Iraq vote would probably be very damaging to her chances last time. Her brain thrust, good name btw, no doubt thought they knew better.

But watching the negative campaigning last time, combined with her war vote and other issues they ARE hoping to either 'evolve on' or avoid discussing, I'm seeing nothing different this time.

[awoke_in_2003]

108. Many decry cult of personality

surrounding leaders of other countries, but it has been a huge issue in presidential elections here since at least Reagan.

[elehhhhna]

2. "It's the entitlement, stupid!"

To paraphrase BCs first campaign tagline...

[sabrina 1]

4. Don't remember that. Thanks ... I'll look it up.

[Scootaloo]

5. "why on earth would she try doing it again?"

Because she probably thinks 2008 was stolen from her. If she gets the presidency, I can promise you there will not be a single person retained from the Obama administration. Not one, not in any capacity.

[thesquanderer]

12. I don't know, she could rehire Summers and Geithner... (n/t)

[GoneOffShore]

17. That's the most likely scenario.

She's going to reward the neoliberal guys.

[L0oniX]

42. ^^^

[Fawke Em]

59. Wall Street Revolving Door

[jalan48]

6. Easier than talking about the issues.

And a bit like the question, "When did you stop beating your wife"? There's no suitable answer.

[sabrina 1]

9. I like the simplist answer when someone lies, just call it what it is. It cuts out all the noise

She lied, about Bernie and about Obama, period.

[Phlem]

7. oh no he didn't.

[Segami]

8. Kick

[George II]

10. Got nothing new so you have to dig back almost 8 years for dirt?

Guess what? Obama and Clinton are close friends.

[riversedge]

11. Sanders fans doing Republican opposition research for them to use in GE.

[bravenak]

28. I laugh at it

[sabrina 1]

31. No, Obama supporters having their memories of the Hillary campaign of 2008 jolted

by Hillary's latest use of the gender card.

No need for any research people remember the Hillary campaign, the race card, the gender card.

I remember the interview in the OP. It's been posted all over Social Media by Obama supporters who also remember. All I had to do was copy and paste.

It brings back bad memories but also a reminder of where we were at this point in that campaign.

People don't forget these things. I hope Hillary's campaign isn't under the illusion that we do. Or maybe I don't.

[sabrina 1]

50. Sanders doesn't have 'fans'. He has American citizens who agree with his

policies and who look at his record and see that he is consistent with the best record on major issues in this campaign.

They care about this country and are exercising their right to learn as much as possible about all the candidates so they can a decision based on knowledge and what is best for their country.

I'm sorry you are so dismissive of the voters. They are an important part of our democratic process and to call them names, in an attempt to diminish them because they have different view than you do, says to me that there are actually people who view these elections as just games.

I respect your right to support your candidate however. I just dont agree that she is the best choice for this country due mainly to her record on policies and I like many others, abhor Candidates turning elections into 'games' and smear campaigns.

Another reason I support Sanders. He refuses to do what Hillary did in 2008 to Obama and now in this election. I give him credit for still refusing to engage in those tactics.

[AgingAmerican]

83. Grow a thicker skin

There is no need to 'research' Clinton. I find it funny that those same folks who pour over everything Sanders has ever done or said looking for single words or sentences they can take wildly out of context, or just make up strawmen out of whole cloth can't handle criticism of their candidate.

Hypocrisy

[ChiciB1]

115. YIKES!! That's Harsh Criticism, But MOSTLY Just A Plainly STUPID

thing to say. As one of his supporters my mind can't even go there. That comment was "dripping" with something very foul and ugly.

Sorry, I do sound rude myself but it's hard for me to let that slide. Marbles falling all over the place I guess.

[AgingAmerican]

116. The most virulent ones are also the least able to handle critique

Perhaps I should have worded it that way instead! Means the same thing, though.

[senz]

87. What an icky thing to say.

Such a sour, suspicious outlook. I wish you were happier.

CHEER UP!

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[cui bono]

103. No, Hillary is doing that all by herself. She reminded everyone how she likes to play cards

in campaigns. Whatever it takes. Blech.

[sabrina 1]

13. You got that wrong, I have lots new, a whole different kind of candidate, one who isn't

compromised by Corporate Money, who has a long record of consistency, who is honest, who doesn't run negative campaigns because he WANTS to talk about ISSUES.

Hillary tried to play the Gender Card against Bernie. I was an Obama supporter and had a distinct sense of Deja Vu.

'Obama and Clinton are best friends'! Lol!

That's funny.

[George II]

16. Clinton never played the "Gender Card" against Sanders. You post that claim almost daily...

...and when asked how or when, you disappear from the thread.

One more time, specifically, can you give us the exact quote where she played the so-called "Gender Card"?

And I didn't say they were "best friends", I said "close friends". Big difference!

[passiveporcupine]

21. From Slate...He's right.

Clinton is framing Sanders as a sexist who accuses women of shouting when they try to speak up. It’s a lie. She’s manipulating women and abusing feminist anger for her own advantage.

Sexism, racism, and anti-Semitism are real. But sometimes they’re fabricated.

The man standing to Clinton’s left during this exchange, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, joined in the attack on Sanders. To this, the Vermont senator answered with the same message: “Here is the point, governor. We can raise our voices. But ...”

The audience hooted, screamed, and cheered. Clinton grinned.

She’s using the story to bond with women, to paint Sanders as a patronizing old fart, and to portray herself as a victim.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html

It took her a little over a week to figure out how to use it to her advantage. She's 'evolved' as she works it into her messages. She grinned when she said it. I thought when I saw it, it was not something you would normally grin about...unless it was just a tool to manipulate her crowd, which she was quite pleased with when it succeeded. She knew exactly what she was doing. This article is right on. And you guys are patsies for falling for it. She sure knows her base.

The charitable explanation of Clinton’s behavior is that she sincerely perceived Sanders’ rebuke during the debate as sexist. But if that were true, you’d expect her to have said so in her first accounts of the exchange. She didn’t. She waited more than a week before embellishing the story. She prepared it as a sound bite for social media, and she unveiled it at a women’s forum. And it worked, so she’s still using it.

You know, if a few of you die-hards would just fess up and admit it when Clinton screws up, people wouldn't even still be talking about it here. You put up resistance to an obvious truth and you are going to get blow back. If you are tired of it, just quit trying to defend her obviously stupid move. It's not the first time she's pulled this, nor will it be her last. It's the way she thinks and operates. It's also why many people do not want to see her in the office of POTUS. We want someone with integrity.

[sabrina 1]

24. It's a pattern. I remembered the 2008 campaign, as an Obama supporter at the time, I was

appalled. He handled it with dignity.

Bernie has also handled it with dignity.

And we have a year to go.

I don't think they understand how ANGRY the people are.

That bubble they live in separates them from ordinary people.

Not one person I know wants to see these distractions.

I'm fine with her going down the same road.

Bernie will benefit from their negative campaigning.

And that is good for the country.

[R B Garr]

30. So your whole analysis is based on the timing

of Clinton's grinning. That's why people don't bother much with "confessing" about a "screw up" since it was all whimsical speculation.

Some other whimsies from your post:
"Not the first time she pulled this"
"Its the way she thinks and operates" (says who)
"just a tool to manipulate her crowd"

Clinton grinned!!

[sabrina 1]

32. So you were a Clinton supporter in 2008 then? I was an Obama supporter. I remember it all

very well. The gender card totally turned off most women, then and now.

Obama said what most people were thinking, should the first woman president act this way? She lost, so I guess that was their answer.

[R B Garr]

35. No, I was not a Clinton supporter, and

that's how I know what you are doing is BS. You also don't know what "most women" thought. You would have no way of knowing that, so the statement is also BS.

I didn't vote in the 2008 primary, but I liked both very much.

[sabrina 1]

44. If it's bs to expose a pattern of behavior of using the Gender/Victim card, that's

just your opinion.

[R B Garr]

45. It's also just your opinion that there is a pattern.

It looks like bloviated and manipulative smearing to me, and desperate smearing at that -- that clip was from 2008.

[sabrina 1]

52. Smearing would be making stuff up, and we sure have seen lots of that here. I posted

an interview with Obama from that campaign to demonstrate that this tactic is being used again as it was then. I didn't film the interview, didn't manipulate it any way, didn't diguise myself as Obama in order to create a wrong impression.

This is a REAL video. So if posting real facts about a candidate = smearing, that says something about the candidate not anyone else.

If you don't think that candidates' public records are fair game, then we will have to agree to disagree.

[R B Garr]

75. Once again you are saying your opinion is fact,

but it's not. And you are morphing again like you do a lot.

My comment was about all the teeth-gnashing over Clinton's grinning and all the smearing and analysis about that. How many threads have you started about that now...I just saw one by you the other day saying Clinton claimed to be a victim of men shouting her down. That's just pure smear on your part Now you're dredging up a video from 2008. And what a lightweight video -- Matt puts out some crumbs as bait, but it was not substantive.

Bernie addressed her by name in a debate and Clinton answered back. Those are the only true "facts'. Your interpretation of it is just smear, innuendo, opinion whatever you want to call it, but it's not fact.

[passiveporcupine]

95. No, that was not the only reason I see it that way

Mostly it was the fact that he never accused her of shouting. Part of it was the timing of when she reacted to his comment (a comment he has a history of using when talking about guns, regardless of the sex of whom he is addressing), and how it evolved over time, part of it was her grinning and her reaction to the crowds response, part of it was my observation of her since Bill was POTUS, and part of it was just common sense.

I can understand why none of those things would appeal to you.

[R B Garr]

100. Correct:: I am definitely not interested in your stale

musings about Hillary grinning during Bill's presidency or how you perceive her current grins, but thanks for your reply.

[passiveporcupine]

106. I never mentioned her grinning during his presidency, but I'm not surprised

you'd try to twist my words to your advantage. Unfortunately for you, it's not working much to your advantage, as it's just looking silly.

And, if you weren't interested in my "musings', perhaps you should not have addressed me in the first place?

[R B Garr]

109. And here I was thinking that what looked silly

was to put that much emphasis on someone grinnig, and that is what I initially said. You were also demanding that Clinton supporters provide you some kind of explanation for your observations as if they were facts, but they aren't facts.

So thats when I posted,; no need to repeat ourselves.

[passiveporcupine]

112. You must be lacking in reading comprehension skills

I never demanded anyone offer an explanation for my observations. I asked for honesty, in the admission that Clinton screwed up with this "fabrication" or "misrepresentation" of what Bernie said or meant.

Maybe you should slow down a little before hitting post. Reading and responding emotionally will often allow you to make errors of judgement (or reading comprehension).

[R B Garr]

113. Read you post #21 again

you are asking for others to be accountable for your musings about the timing of someones grinning. The whole post demands outside accountability for your own misguided interpretations.

I should have known from the tone of it that insults couldn't be far behind, which seems to be the real goal of the Berniebros.

[Jim Lane]

22. Gun control, shouting, woman, do you really need a link? (n/t)

[sabrina 1]

29. Sorry, but she tried. You're right in the sense that it didn't work. People are sick and tired of

women being used this way for political purposes. But it is becoming a pattern with Hillary. As you can see, she tried it with Obama and she tried it with Bernie.

Did you watch the video in the OP? Do you reallly think people didn't see it THEN, and that they don't see it NOW? Obama got it, women got it then and we get it now.

I feel like I'm in a time warp. I remember when she played the gender card with Obama.

People want to hear candidates talk about the ISSUES that affect them.

THAT is what Bernie does.

Hillary, not so much.

[cui bono]

104. She absolutely did. And so have her supporters.

She said saying that women are shouting is sexist. You must have seen all the posts about it, especially the ones from Hillary supporters claiming the same thing.

[L0oniX]

43. "Guess what? Obama and Clinton are close friends."

So are these guys...

[senz]

79. At least 3 people in that photo are egomaniacs.

Not sure about the pretty jewel-bedecked lady who's sparking on Trump (or Trump's money.)

It's amazing how much "friendliness" is primarily -- or entirely -- political and/or social climbing. That is, self-interested.

Bernie's one of the few politicians who doesn't play that game. His naturalness is almost shocking sometimes.

[BeanMusical]

80. "Obama and Clinton are close friends."

Sure, whatever you say.

[AgingAmerican]

82. Self aware much?

lol

[SoapBox]

14. K & R

Amazing she and her campaign would think they could get away with this garbage...again.

[aspirant]

15. Hillary the victim

Why are we not showing "The People" what this word truly means

Hillary, the victim, on stage with jewels Vs infants and children refugees fleeing Libya and the ME with only the tattered clothes on their backs. These are real victims, Hillary is no victim

These refugees have been shouted at, tortured, shot at and murdered

How about showing veterans with missing limbs and the graves of American soldiers from Iraq, these are also real victims of her votes.

[sabrina 1]

25. Thank you. That is exactly the picture it conjures up for most people.

They really do not know how smart the people are. Those women, in Iraq, the children. Do they really think we have forgotten?

[Maedhros]

77. But Hillary cares deeply for women and children!!!

(just not the ones in Third World countries that we bomb for no good reason...)

[rhett o rick]

98. The 1% neither loves us nor hates us, we just have resources they want. Nm

[Maedhros]

105. Who are we to argue with their needs? [n/t]

[Samantha]

18. It is a public contradiction of personality profile to stare down and deflect for 11 hours

an offensive Republican inquiry one day (I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR), and the next day play the withering female offended and hurt by an alleged shouting complaint issued by one of her dignified Democratic opponents who does not practice sexist discrimination (DON'T PICK ON ME BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN). Serious mistake in judgment, and she did it to herself.

Sam

[aspirant]

20. So which one is the real Hillary:

the roaring woman or the meek intimated pussycat?

[Samantha]

23. That is for her to answer and once she does

she should stick to it.

Personally, I think neither is the answer. I have followed her for years, and it always seemed to me Hillary is pretty intelligent, and is not afraid to show it. She is accomplished and has a lot of people who admire her. She should just be herself. It was good enough for a very long time - why not now?

I personally am not supporting her, but I am making my choice strictly on the issues -- not personality.

Sam

[sabrina 1]

26. I used to think of her that way But there is nothing intelligent about supporting an agenda that

HARMS so many people. Nothing intelligent about so misjudging the intelligence of the average, decent human being

Nothing intelligent about a willingness to support wars that devastate the lives of so many innocent human beings.

There are different kinds of intelligence.

She did thiis before and she lost.

An intelligent person would learn for that mistake.

[Samantha]

41. I think intelligence and empathy quotient are two different things

To just give an extreme example, I think a person could possibly be extremely brilliant but deranged as well. I do not think Hillary Clinton is empathetic to the needs of the middle class or the poor. I believe she is simply self-centered. IMHO

I think this campaign so far is worse than the one she previously ran. Her openly purloining Sanders' platform, not even bothering to change the wording slightly, is blatantly obvious. She is an embarrassment to herself. But regarding your statement that she misjudges the intelligence of the average, decent human being, I kind of lean toward simply her thinking she is smarter than the rest of us. Bill Clinton obviously believes that of himself. Certainly he has a very high IQ. But watching Hillary's demeanor during her campaign and remembering Bill's, they both have pretty healthy opinions of themselves.

Sam

[sabrina 1]

60. Good post, and I agree. Especially the fact that they think they are smarter than the rest of

us and it come.s across in her demeanor. Which might be why her favorability ratings are so low. People get when they are being talked down to.

[sabrina 1]

38. I don't think even she knows. Maybe we'll find out one day?

[PatrynXX]

19. she keeps this up and she won't have much sympathy if something does show up in the emails :( n/t

[Uncle Joe]

27. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[Historic NY]

33. Lets just call a whambulance.....if she was such a victim...

he'd never would have picked her for SOS.

[JDPriestly]

34. K&R.

[Major Hogwash]

36. Skinner is going to have to form a new group for some peeps.

"Crybabies for Hillary."

It has gotten ridiculous what with all of the whining about a few hidden posts and counting replies to flamebait threads, as well.

[sabrina 1]

37. Maybe. I just post facts and if people don't like facts, I can't help that. But when a Democratic

Candidate stoops to the level seen in the video here, loses an election, then tries it again on her next opponent, it is my opinion that the people have a right to know these things so they can make an informed judgement as to who they think would make the best leader of this country.

She also played into the right wing meme about Obama being a Muslim. Shameful really imo. I want leaders who talk about issues, who don't spend time and huge amounts of Corporate money to smear their opponents.

[Major Hogwash]

39. Yeah, I know you do, and you do a pretty good job of posting articles that stick to the issues.

But, those other peeps don't like DU anymore.
They don't like the way it is being moderated using juries, so they are only here to tear it down.

They complain about hidden threads, hidden posts, and then run around starting flamebait threads and wonder why they can't get any traction when elections are won when the voters have all of the facts on the ISSUES -- NOT WHINING ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH DU IS BEING MODERATED!!!!!

I decided last year that I would vote for the most liberal, most progressive Democrat we could get to run for President this time.
I didn't really expect Bernie to announce his intention to run because he is too honest and too liberal for the Democratic party.
They couldn't handle him like they could control some middle-of-the-road moderate milquetoast candidate by blackmailing them by threatening to cut off their funding, or revealing some past, long ago, personal problem that was like a skeleton hanging in their closet.

I gave up on Hillary clear back in 2008 when she insinuated that Obama may not be a Christian.
That was the end of any form of support I may have been able to muster for her.
The Christian Fundamentalists in this country were howling like dogs at the moon that Obama was a Muslim, and the political atmosphere in this country was toxic at the time Hillary made that comment about Obama.
It really pissed me off bad.
I truly think that Hillary didn't really want Obama to win the General Election in 2008.
That way she could come back in 2012 and say "See, I told you so." (that Obama couldn't win in November)

[sabrina 1]

72. Wow, what a great post. There isnt a thing in there I don't agree with. Funny you mentioned

how Hillary implied that Obama was a Muslim (nothing wrong with that btw but I know what Faux et al were implying 'enemy of the US). As you say, the atmosphere was toxic and she played into it, shamefully. I just saw the video of that tonight on Twitter. Sent chills down my spine watching her prevaricating, 'I take him at his word'.

She lost me when she voted for Iraq. What a betrayal that was. So by the time of the 2008 election, nothing she did surprised me.

As for the flame baiters running around DU, I don't go into their threads

[senz]

40. I can't wrap my mind around the "gender card."

Been a female my entire long life, had a TON of sexist nonsense thrown at me since childhood (only girl in a male-centric family, mercilessly harassed by men, including bosses, from late adolescence well into mid-life), have expressed my feminist views in letters to the editor, pro-ERA/ pro-choice/ equal pay rallies and marches, and active membership in NOW. I oppose male-supremacist attitudes, old boys clubs, the denigration of females and our exclusion from full participation in all aspects of life. I regard misogyny as both a personal and cultural illness and misandry as a destructive reaction. I believe that children are not receiving adequate instruction in understanding and living constructively with their own gender and that of the opposite sex.

That said, I cannot respect women who think being female means automatic victimhood or license to disparage males and/or control the free expression of others. I don't think I'm somehow "precious" or entitled to special privilege based on my gender or previous suffering, don't for a minute think most men are bad and most women are good, and don't elevate gender above individual humanity. When other women, including presidential candidates, get all cutesy and gamy about gender, or act inordinately "wounded," I view them as manipulative phonies.

I get the impression that Hillary not only plays the gender card for herself but also plays on the feelings of other women with considerable insincerity and cynicism.

Okay, it's late and I'm too tired to take this any further. 'Nuff said for now.

[sabrina 1]

99. Excellent post senz. Thank you for being a strong woman. Like you, I abhor women diminishing this

real issue by using to gain some advantage or another. It is WAY too serious an issue for that. Great post, thank you.

[NCTraveler]

46. People who have hated Obama for seven years now are really taking a liking to him.

With all the love of late there is no question he will go down as the greatest president in history. After seven years every segment on the left are tripping over themselves to be attached to such a great man. That is one good thing that is going to come out of this. It makes a difference in electoral politics.

[senz]

57. Been an Obama suppoter from the get-go. Bernie supporter now.

Volunteered for OFA and gave money to the Obama campaign.

So don't you go lumping us all together. Ya hear?

[NCTraveler]

58. I'm a huge supporter of his as well.

I love the support for Obama we are seeing. You seem to be in the same boat as me on that one. I love it and it really does make a difference. It strengthens the party as a whole. Thanks for the reply senz. Obama rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sabrina 1]

73. Same here, signed up people for Obama's campaign, now I'm doing it for Bernie.

[Bobbie Jo]

68. You noticed that too?

I must say, this sudden attachment seems a bit contrived.

[Cosmic Kitten]

76. Sudden attachment to a candidate they once opposed ...

indeed it does seem *contrived*


Kinda like this?

hilary's an inveterate liar..
"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5536473&mesg_id=5537099

or this?

Hillary Clinton's Released White House Records show she Lied about Opposing NAFTA
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm

Funny how people can *evolve*

[Armstead]

70. That's a ridculous statement.....Life is not all either/or

Many people (me included) have gotten extremely angry and frustrated by some of the things Obama has done, and said so. Some people dsagree with his approach to things, like TPP, Obamacare.

But it's not a matter of "hate."....Many of those same critics (myself included) have a great deal of respect and admiration for him, and support him overall and appreciate the positive things he's accomplished.

Gosh I thought this was a democracy and we're supposed to criticize leaders and try to get them to change, when they do things we don't agree with. I sorta remember Obama himself saying the same thing.

[NCTraveler]

71. I have a great amount of respect and admiration for him as well.

Thanks for the reply.

[sabrina 1]

78. What? Are you suggesting that I am lying about supporting Obama? I despise these

attempts to SAY something to create a negative impression without saying it openly.

If you are calling ME a liar, then say so and we can go from there.

I will say this, if Bernie were to win the election and then support and implement policies he opposed in the campaign you will see the EXACT SAME criticisms from me as I made of Obama. THAT is not 'hate' and it is shameful to try to silence people from doing their job as citizens by using such words.

I don't trip over myself for anyone. So I assume your post is not directed at me, but just in case, I would like clarification before addressing it appropriately.

[NCTraveler]

84. I didn't say it was directed at you. Some things become obvious over time.

Thanks for the reply kind friend.

[sabrina 1]

86. Good because not a single word of it applies to me.

[NCTraveler]

89. Perception is reality.

Have a great day kind friend.

[sabrina 1]

91. Yes, but not to me. I a reality kind of person.

Have a nice day yourself.

[Sheepshank]

47. 2008 campaign rhetoric, overturned by appointment as SoS.. thanks for playing. nt

[sabrina 1]

49. This isn't a GAME we are 'playing'. But what a revealing comment! I take the

future of this country very seriously.

[Sheepshank]

51. only you would turn this into some sort of Joan of Arc martyr statement

I don't think you are serious. You are way too busy bashing Dems in defference to a non Dem.

[sabrina 1]

53. 'Martyr', thanks. I've been making a list of Third Way Words that were launched into the

the blogosphere to bash Liberals with a few years ago. They really can't stand the Left!

That was one of their most overused words, taken from Limbaugh, who also mocks Democrats with words like 'martyr'.

I forgot about that one, 'purity' 'martyr' etc etc.

As for your opinion of me, I do not want to hurt your feelings but on a scale of 1-10 it doesn't register. I do respect the opinions of people who are sincere and who refrain the childish practice of personal attacks.

[Sheepshank]

54. purity and martyr are not the same thing

be sure to put a comma between them.

[sabrina 1]

56. Common denominator of both words, they are used to bash Democrats with. Why did YOU

use a word that is known to be used for the purpose of bashing Democrats?

This is a Democratic site.

[Sheepshank]

62. I suppose I may have been inspired by all the Bernie Supporters bashing Hillary on a Dem site

tit for tat as it were.

Oh and FWIW...I absolutely dont' see all Sanders supporters as attempting to portray themselves as martyrs.

[sabrina 1]

63. Well, the attacks on Bernie here have been ugly, nasty and unfounded. But since I assume

sadly, that those launching those attacks ARE democrats, I would not use anti-Democratic lingo to disagree with them.

I see nothing but excitement and enthusiasm all over the Sanders campaign. So regardless of anything else the word simply doesn't apply.

It's the most exciting campaign I remember for a long time.

Hillary supporters don't seem to be very excited to me.

[Sheepshank]

65. So, are you not a Democrat?

your lingo has employed some pretty predictable "speak" and has been pretty negative too.

I wonder if maybe you just didn't realize your writing style was such?

[sabrina 1]

69. Let me ask you the same question, 'are you a Democrat'? And post some examples of what you are

referring to as 'pretty predictable "speak".

I post about facts, back them up with links, videos such as this one.

But I'm curious to see what you regard as "speak"

[Sheepshank]

85. typical deflection....

you want to avoid the obvious that everyone else sees? Have at it. I'm not going to help you out here.

[sabrina 1]

88. Well, it's not obvious, which is why I asked for links. It's not me you would helping out.

You made an allegation, I asked for proof.

Who would it help for YOU to prove what YOU said?

[Sheepshank]

90. nope. not doing your homeowrk for you.

you claim to be such an enlightened soul...I'm so surprise you are that oblivious to your own actions.

Are you a Democrat?

[sabrina 1]

93. What 'homework'?? YOU, let's try to straighten this out, YOU made a claim about ME, not the

other way around. There fore it is YOUR homework that needs to be done OR as I said, it won't hurt ME, it will simply prove that your claim was false.

If I made a claim about you, I would back it up, or I would't make it in the first place.

Now you've made another claim, with nothing to back it up with.

But I'll try again. Post something that proves this:

"You claim to be such an enlighted soul. I'm so surprise you are that oblivious to your own actions'

Do you ever talk about ISSUES btw? I appreciate the attention, but I'm not running for anything.

[arcane1]

48. It got her to 2nd place last time. They probably figure it would work without an Obama n/t

[Fumesucker]

64. Hillary finished second while Obama finished next to last

[senz]

107. OK, that took me a couple of seconds...

I can't even approach you in cleverness, Fumesucker. It must be a gift.

[AzDar]

55. K & R

[CharlotteVale]

61. ROFL.

[Babel_17]

66. Senator Sanders catching fire with so many voters

Senator Sanders catching fire with so many voters who are paying attention might mean that the press is going to feel compelled to ask the tough questions about things like this.

2008 was something else as far as voters staying on top of the referees. 2016 might make 2008 look like 1956.

[LiberalElite]

67. "sticking to the issues" -

hahahahaha Funny that's one thing she hasn't copied from Bernie.

[sabrina 1]

114. Well, we can hope! I was just thinking how it would be if we actually had campaigns that were

that focused on issues, like Bernie's, that they didn't have time to play games or take shots at each other.

[LiberalElite]

117. Oh I had plenty of hope... nt

[LexVegas]

74. Terms "gender card" and "race card": coined by sexists and racists. nt

[senz]

96. Not sure that's true. Think a little more deeply into it.

Rhetorically, "playing a card" means using one's audience's emotional (or even social) attachments to manipulate their response to a topic.

One does not need to be a racist to play a race card -- one merely needs to be cynical and manipulative.

Similarly, one does not need to be a racist to call someone out for playing a race card -- one merely needs to recognize (or merely suspect) what the person is doing.

Of course, one could also wrongly accuse another of playing a card. At that point, it's a judgement call.

BTW, your comment seemed very "off" and gamy to me, so it was a relief to see that it was a Hillary supporter doing it. I'd have been disappointed had it been a Bernie supporter.

Also...I wonder if this is a continuation of the "Hillary" effort to paint Bernie -- or Bernie supporters -- as racist or sexist? You have no idea how cynical, hateful, disgusting, phony, and dishonest those efforts seem to the rest of us. I wish you would reconsider that line of attack. It's just awful.

[BeanMusical]

81. Great post! Thanks for the vid.

[Enthusiast]

92. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you, sabrina!

[retrowire]

94. KnR! too true. n/t

[rhett o rick]

97. "Wouldn't it be great if our Politicians, like Bernie, just stuck to the ISSUES rather playing these

games especially when it's clear the voters are not interested in seeing this kind of thing."

This is what people do that are afraid of discussing issues.

[randys1]

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[cui bono]

102. Maybe all she has is a couple decks of cards.

The deck she hasn't pulled from is the one they used during the Iraq War identifying the bad guys.

Neither deck works well for her.

[INdemo]

110. Yes but never before has a group that supports a candidate like Hillary here on DU

flat out taken an issue like the BS issue regarding "sexist" and launched so many false accusations against Bernie.

This why I think it is obvious there is an organized effort from the Hillary campaign to get out there and challenge every issue that Sanders represents..*The progressive sites,the comment sections of newspaper articles,the comment sections of online news like MSNBC (but don't really need more Hillary backers there) etc.,etc

Bill Clinton did this in 2008 and had all kinds of negative stuff flying at Obama but it was never directly tied to him but it was obvious because it was his style.

* they cannot do that because every issue he talks about is true so they have to resort to negative BS.

[sabrina 1]

111. It's a talking point, most likely from one of their Corporate Funded think tanks, or the Citizens

United facilitated Super Pacs. We know this because it took two weeks after the initial comment to 'work on how to make it a meme' that would be picked up on Goolge etc.

Best way NOT to help them with their smear campaigns is to never go into the threads that post the negative talking points. That is what they want and NEED to get their smears out there.

Post our OPs, never attach their 'key words' to Bernie's name. It is now fair game to turn it around on them and attack their key words to their candidate's name wherever possible.

We know these obscenely funded smear campaigns work IF we don't find ways to stop them and turn it on them.

That's just my 2 cents but I've watched them for years now and they've taught me a lot I'd rather never have needed to learn. But hey, you attack good people, don't count on 'Liberals being too nice to fight back'. That isn't going to happen.

[brooklynite]

118. Remind me who appointed Clinton Secretary of State?