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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:58 PM Oct 2015

Hillary is PROGRESSIVE, MEGA-QUALIFIED, BRILLIANT, and WILL MOST LIKELY be the Dem nominee.

She is SURGING in the polls, is arguably THE most qualified candidate either D or R, and is BRILLIANT. And while not an absolutist purist, she is progressive. End of story.

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Hillary is PROGRESSIVE, MEGA-QUALIFIED, BRILLIANT, and WILL MOST LIKELY be the Dem nominee. (Original Post) RBInMaine Oct 2015 OP
she is pathetically out of step DianeK Oct 2015 #1
Pathetically out of step with DU:Progressives aka Bernie supporters ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #4
True bravenak Oct 2015 #7
Fact! nt sheshe2 Oct 2015 #11
Especially if you will settle for the status quo aikoaiko Oct 2015 #31
I guess that depends on how ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #34
I don't think Hillary will be trying to do anything different from Obama aikoaiko Oct 2015 #36
Well. I'm pretty happy with what President has done ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #41
Sure he was awesome compared to Bush, but you cant be happy with 45% of African American babies aikoaiko Oct 2015 #42
That explains her big lead in the polls 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #5
Maybe America needs a dance studio? What was the name of the chain of dance studios? randys1 Oct 2015 #10
+1 sheshe2 Oct 2015 #12
With brogressivies workinclasszero Oct 2015 #28
LOL, and they Bernie supporters treat him like a god jfern Oct 2015 #2
And don't call the hillarians a cult! Doctor_J Oct 2015 #20
Links? emulatorloo Oct 2015 #26
K AND R! Supremely qualified. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #3
Damn, JaneyVee! Kath1 Oct 2015 #27
The most qualified to ever run for President Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #6
Please. She is qualified but not overly so. She has like 8 years in the Senate and a term as SoS. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #22
You are minimizing her experience as SOS Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #29
You are drastically minimizing the breadth and depth of experience of a great many TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #35
Qualified? Brilliant? Probably. Progressive? Not so much. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #8
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #32
She calls herself a centrist n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #9
At times, and then other times a progressive. Seems depends on what's blowing in the wind. EndElectoral Oct 2015 #39
Most Likely? BootinUp Oct 2015 #13
For me what is so very depressing is Hillary is all these things, and ten thousand times randys1 Oct 2015 #14
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #33
She's so perfect that everyone is going to line up just to vote for her. I wish her the best Deadman Oct 2015 #15
... ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #16
You'd think they would try for a few posts... Agschmid Oct 2015 #23
Yup, yup. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #24
one out of four. not too good Doctor_J Oct 2015 #17
Please explain how Hillary is progressive. PoliticalMalcontent Oct 2015 #18
You have spunk. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #19
And Bernie is actually ahead of where Obama was at the same time in the 2007/8 cycle... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Oct 2015 #21
Hillary is a progressive in the same way Bristol Palin is a virgin. Scuba Oct 2015 #25
"not an absolute purist" Martin Eden Oct 2015 #30
I understand Hilary's supporters, but for the life of me to label her a progressive seems...uh..new EndElectoral Oct 2015 #37
Dude, my family thinks I'm nuts because I sit in front of the computer laughing my ass off Fumesucker Oct 2015 #38
Um, no. I hate to break it to you, but she's basically a pro-choice Republican. reformist2 Oct 2015 #40
KICK! Cha Oct 2015 #43
ANOTHER hit-and-run post. Ron Green Oct 2015 #44
If she's PROGRESSIVE, then I'm King Of The Hobbits. hobbit709 Oct 2015 #45
Hillaryous OP. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #46
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. Pathetically out of step with DU:Progressives aka Bernie supporters ...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

But completely in step with the majority of the Democratic Party.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. I guess that depends on how ...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:30 PM
Oct 2015

One defines settling for the "status quo."

I, for one, don't see any of the Democratic candidates, including HRC, as representing the status quo.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
36. I don't think Hillary will be trying to do anything different from Obama
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

I expect her to govern to the right of Obama, to be honest with the exception of women's issues -- maybe.

So yeah, I think HRC represents the status quo choice.

I don't Bernie has a magic plan, but I do think he will challenge the status quo more.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
41. Well. I'm pretty happy with what President has done ...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

and, so are about 75+% of Democrats ... So, we'd be happy, should HRC govern like President Obama.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
42. Sure he was awesome compared to Bush, but you cant be happy with 45% of African American babies
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

under 6 years of age currently living in poverty. 50% of young adult African Americans not finding work.

This is the status quo and I know you're not happy with that.

Don't get me wrong. I do not blame President Obama because these are symptoms of a massively systemic problems (both social and economic), but its not like there has been any leadership either.

I'm not saying that the President doesn't care about the economy -- after all he saw the stock market hit 18000 and many rich people got richer.


 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. K AND R! Supremely qualified.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:01 PM
Oct 2015


Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, endorsements from civil rights hero's, and experience putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes. She has stood face to face with foreign governments and excoriated them for human rights abuses and stood up for diplomacy around the globe. She is supremely qualified to be president and lead our country forward

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
27. Damn, JaneyVee!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:56 PM
Oct 2015

You said that better than I ever could have! And you are 100% right.

You kick ass!

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
22. Please. She is qualified but not overly so. She has like 8 years in the Senate and a term as SoS.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:34 PM
Oct 2015

Solid but nothing particularly above and beyond the average.

Chaffee probably has just a good of an argument having served as a Governor and in the Senate, Webb has just a diverse, high level, and a longer career, Sanders has been a Mayor of a major city, a Rep, and a Senator, O'Malley has been Governor of a high population state.

All of or candidates are very well qualified. Biden just ran in 08, he was a long term Senator and had been chair of both Judicial and Foreign Services which I think would place him ahead on that count.

No way she has greater depth of experience than LBJ or Nixon. Jefferson and Adams? FORGET ABOUT IT, not even a contest.

Of course none of the credentials really matter, she has built a dicey at best track record on the matters of the greatest gravity whatever her experience.

If she had ever learned anything she wouldn't have to "evolve" so much in time for the next power grab.

Whatever her resume, she isn't fit for the office because she has a conservative worldview and dangerously poor instincts along with a very casual relationship with the truth and honor.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
35. You are drastically minimizing the breadth and depth of experience of a great many
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

candidates over the entire history of the country including the ones in this very cycle.

Hers is well rounded and respectable (though no matter what the volume or level I don't feel it did her much good as far as growth and understanding) but I'm not going to even come close to agreeing with the most experienced or qualified EVAH because it simply isn't even arguably true in my estimation. I won't even grant Chafee much less the ALL TIME hyperbole.

It's goofy but to be expected from the camp that ran on experience last time and we were talking like 8 years in the Senate kind of mid pack with no serious committee leadership and running for President a quarter of it. Essentially on par with Obama with his having spent more time at the state level easily offsetting her couple extra years in the Senate.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,747 posts)
8. Qualified? Brilliant? Probably. Progressive? Not so much.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

If she's nominated and then elected, she'll swing back to the center-right, just where she's always really been.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
14. For me what is so very depressing is Hillary is all these things, and ten thousand times
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:17 PM
Oct 2015

better than any con.

But what differentiates her with Bernie, the ONE thing, is such a big thing.

I still say if the Democrats of this country, the liberals, could somehow come together and say look, we are gonna give you dems all the money you need to win elections, dont take a dime from wall street and answer ONLY to us * we could change everything

we could do this if we organized

But yes, if Hillary beats Bernie and is the candidate I will aggressively and happily work her campaign

18. Please explain how Hillary is progressive.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:25 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not really seeing it. Maybe it's because Bernie Sanders is in the picture and he's left of Hillary, but a lot of the times when Hillary takes a stance it seems like Bernie has been there for 10+ years already. So I'm curious... What makes Hillary progressive in your eyes?

Perhaps it's akin to an abstract painting where individuals see what they want to see. I'm just looking for an explanation for how I'm seeing such a different picture from everybody else.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
25. Hillary is a progressive in the same way Bristol Palin is a virgin.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:47 PM
Oct 2015

If she's our candidate, we're fucked win our lose.

Martin Eden

(12,871 posts)
30. "not an absolute purist"
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

That covers a lot that should be unacceptable to Democratic voters, not the least of which is her inexcusable vote for war in Iraq and her continued hawkish foreign policy.

In October 2002 the American people desperately needed strong Democratic leaders to stand up, speak truth to power, dispel the LIES, and make every effort to prevent the most costly, disastrous, tragic foreign policy blunder in US history.

Slightly more than half the Democrats in Congress voted against the IWR.

Senator Clinton not only voted for the neocon war of choice, she stood up and vocally supported it.

By all indications, she's still a war hawk.

Hillary Clinton lost my vote, and she should have lost yours too -- not only for her actual record, but for what she is likely to do if elected president.

We cannot afford the next war that HRC will get us mired in or escalation of the current quagmires from which we must extricate ourselves.

Nearly everything of value that needs to be accomplished for the American people has been and will continue to be sacrificed in on the altar of spending for the Military Industrial Complex.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
37. I understand Hilary's supporters, but for the life of me to label her a progressive seems...uh..new
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:03 PM
Oct 2015

I simply don't ever remember her claiming to be progressive prior to the debates, or people claiming she was a progressive prior to the debates - in fact I believe a month before she was proclaiming with pride she was a moderate.. I realize she's had to move temporarily further left to counter Sanders in the primary, but the new progressive branding seems over the top.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
38. Dude, my family thinks I'm nuts because I sit in front of the computer laughing my ass off
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:05 PM
Oct 2015

You aren't helping!

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