Yeah, getting a little sick of this shit.

[NuclearDem]

Just so you know, you're not fooling anybody.

Yes, you.

The one who realized how much they were concerned about racial justice issues once the candidates started fighting over the African American vote.

The one who suddenly started being concerned about how badly the VA health system was broken when the other candidate said something wrong.

The one who now praises the activists you threw under the bus a few months ago.

The one who loves endorsements but despises advocates.

Yeah, you.

You're not fooling anybody.

Either care about our issues or don't, but don't think we don't see past the cynical electioneering.

[bravenak]

1. I cosign

[ismnotwasm]

2. K&R

[Agschmid]

3. Big ass kick.

Probably meta but I'm sort of at the "fuck it" point now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. What are your views on the suggestion that supporters of a certain candidate...

What are your views on the suggestion that supporters of a certain candidate are victims who identify with their captors, like in the Stockholm Syndrome?


Thank you in advance

[NuclearDem]

6. Putting it nicely: utterly tone deaf and ignorant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Where do you think the folks that believe that got the notion?

It seems to infantalize whole segments of society.

[Katashi_itto]

24. +1000

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Usually , you are one of the more perspicacious members of our board.

I would request that you carefully read what he wrote, look at where the recommendations are coming from, and the comments in the thread and you will come to the appropriate conclusion to who and whom's supporters Nuclear Dem is referring to, or in the alternative you can just ask him via private message. I don't believe it is who and to whom's supporters you think.

I believe the opacity of the seminal poster was to avoid the attention of the alert crowd.

Thank you in advance.

[Bobbie Jo]

35. +1000

and kick...

[JimDandy]

60. No, OP is referring to Clinton supporters

and Sanders supporters. (See #41) Nothing opaque about it.

[Number23]

5. Hell yes. YOU'RE NOT FOOOLING ANYONE

AND NEVER HAVE

K&R

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Looking at the Recs it seems a few people just don't get it.

eom

[ChiciB1]

62. Like babe YOU???? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. I get everything but thank you for pointing out to me you think i don't, babe.

Like babe YOU???? n/t

I get everything but thank you for pointing out to me you think I don't, babe.

[betsuni]

7. K&R

[NCTraveler]

10. K&R nt

[sufrommich]

11. Big k&r. nt

[mcar]

12. K&R

[BootinUp]

13. You couldn't mean me, I'm perfect!

Just like you.

[Fumesucker]

14. Didn't you just post this OP?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027303049

First Afghanistan and now fucking Syria!

Hey dumbasses, remember that little mess at the VA you still haven't cleaned up? Maybe you finish taking care of the veterans you have now before you make new ones!

God fucking damn it, do we actually matter to any of you?!

I'm confused....

[NuclearDem]

15. Why rage in just one forum when I can spread the anger to two?

[Fumesucker]

16. I'm trying to figure out exactly who you are enraged at..

You seem to have it in for just about everyone at the moment if I'm reading you correctly.

I think I posted this in your other thread.

[Phlem]

17. K&R!! Damn Fucking Straight!

You kick ass Fumesucker!

[Live and Learn]

19. No kidding. +1000 nt

[840high]

18. So the "chorus" can chime in as they did.

[stevenleser]

20. Yep. Not fooling anyone. And they continue lecturing a minority here about that minority's equality.

Instead of listening.

[Katashi_itto]

25. I look forward to your next Whoopi Goldberg or Kardassian coverage.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to address your character attack on Mr. Leser.

I look forward to your next Whoopi Goldberg or Kardassian coverage.

-Katashi itto

As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to address your character attack on Mr. Leser. Such calumnies, whether implicit or explicit, should have no place on a progressive board.

Thank you in advance.

[ismnotwasm]

31. It behooves me to mention that given the prevailing level of discourse

This type of rejoinder is common. Although farcical, nontheless it seems the default form of communication in a dearth of substantial cogitation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Are you suggesting these machinations are the function...

Are you suggesting these machinations are the function of a limited mind, if not imagination?

[ismnotwasm]

38. While this almost certainly occurs, and with some regularity,

I would not want to posit such a conclusion in this case, as it's more likly due to a basic pusillanimous character.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I haven't read

I haven't read Dante's Inferno in a while but what level of Hell would the pusillanimous be consigned to?

Thank you in advance.

[ismnotwasm]

44. As hard as it is to believe

It would situate between the eighth and ninth circle, en route so to speak.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. That's practically the nadir or apex, depending on your vantage point.

nt

[ismnotwasm]

46. And in hell

One is always dissolute and lost

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Does that mean our fellow members are aiming high or low?

eom

[ismnotwasm]

51. They must needs always aim high

Considering the unfortunate positioning so many start from

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Laudable nonetheless, I think.

eom.

[ismnotwasm]

54. ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. ismnotwasm, that was one of the more enjoyable tete a tetes since I joined this board.

[ismnotwasm]

58. That was fun, and I thank you

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. A little levity can go a long way.

eom

[Hiraeth]

48. Which is about as deep as the level of bullshit of the OP and this subthread in paticular.

Honestly, kudos for some of the best I have ever read on here.

How you manage to go so low and yet raise the bar so high is a wonderment to me.

Truly, amazing.

I do believe I have watched a master at work.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. As a fair and unbiased observer I must respectfully demur from your assessment of ismnotwasm

eom

[ismnotwasm]

52. Indeed

And how are you?

[Hiraeth]

56. -

[ismnotwasm]

57. He was a great songwriter wasn't he?

So you are doing ok?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Don't get hooked on me

[ismnotwasm]

67. *sigh*

Now THAT is a song...

[Katashi_itto]

72. Has he thought about writing for Jerry Springer maybe? With his talent, he could do it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. There are no barriers for a man with his gifts./nt

[Katashi_itto]

74. Agree! He might even consider XXX movie scriptwriting.

There are no limits to his talents

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. If he has the appropriate endowment and stamina he can be a star in his own movie.

Mr. Leser is unbound by the boundaries that constrain mortal men.

[Katashi_itto]

80. True. After working for Fox, he has more than proven

he will swallow anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. I don't believe that is his oeuvre but only he can say./nt

[Katashi_itto]

85. We are looking at an epic talent.

Nothing is impossible for him.

Someone whose legacy will last seconds if not minutes beyond him when he is gone from this mortal coil.

[Chitown Kev]

21. Yep. yep yep yep yep

[Cha]

22. KICK!

[Luminous Animal]

23. So, you agree that the Hillary campaign did the right thing in ushering out

BLM activists.

[NuclearDem]

40. I support BLM and I support their disrupting candidates' events.

I understand why security escorted them out, but if I'm choosing between a candidate and protestors, I'll choose the latter.

[Persondem]

70. So if it had been the Aryan Nation you would have been equally ok with it?

Or put more generally, you'd choose anarchy over a civil society?

Chaos only begets chaos.

[NuclearDem]

71. Minor difference between the Aryan Nations and BLM.

And quite a difference between chaos and disruptive protesting.

[Crionas]

26. Just when you think Clinton supporters can't sink any lower

They come out with something like this. Always cynically accusing others of what they do themselves.

[bigwillq]

28. Hello

Welcome to DU!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. FIXED

Welcome back to DU

[JTFrog]

65. Indeed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. ...

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Kick and Rec

The upside though about the sudden concern for black voters?


Today in GD I found an OP that linked to the Atlanta Black Star.

A black publication that is Not affiliated with Corny?


Amazing DU! They will appreciate the clicks!

[ibegurpard]

33. Then stop doing it

[Le Taz Hot]

34. And I'm getting pretty sick

of vile, hateful people who are ready and willing to point the finger at others when that hand should be holding up a mirror instead.

[Autumn]

36. Edited. There is a lack of credibility by many here. When there is no credibility

there is no discussion.

[NuclearDem]

41. This isn't directed at one candidate's supporters.

There are supporters on both sides I don't believe earnestly care about our issues.

[Kentonio]

50. Isn't the entire point of BLM to get people to wake up, listen and change?

A lot of Sanders supporters were pissed off with the early protests because he is a candidate who has fought long and hard to minorities and it felt deeply unfair to seemingly single him out. Of course that 'unfairness' was just a drop in the vast seething ocean of unfairness that is the inequality in America today, and the terrible tribulations facing African Americans as they just try to live their lives in peace without risking death on the streets at the hands of the state.

I think over time the vast unfairness of race inequality has started to sink into people, and so we're seeing an positive evolution in a lot of peoples view of BLM and some sparks of understanding about why it really matters so very much. Looking back and saying 'well you didn't care enough then, so we don't want your support now' seems to completely undermine the entire point of what BLM is trying to achieve. There are doubtless people just using it as an excuse to attack rival candidates, but I think it would be very dangerous to jump to that conclusion and risk undermining progress already made.

[Scootaloo]

61. That's true. Maybe inform some of the folks upthread about that, though?

[SidDithers]

37. Fucking nailed it...

disingenuous asshats, all of them.

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

43. Yep, shameless.

Absolutely shameless.

[Fumesucker]

77. In post #41 the OP states he was talking about both sides

I agree with the OP, there are people on both sides who don't care about the issues and are being disingenuous asshats.

[giftedgirl77]

68. K&R for being absolutely right...

It's the same one's that are now either claiming the support the President and/or like to pull out a black man that is saying something they agree with only to be bashing him a few months prior.

Tone deaf hypocrites.

[aikoaiko]

69. What the heck are you talking about?

It's looks like the club knows what this is about given who is rec-ing this OP.

[longship]

76. Let's start with the elementary schoolyard antics.

I have never seen such juvenile behavior!

DU utterly sucks these days! Bernie vs Hillary! For Christ sakes people, you are forgetting about the fucking GOP clown car.

GROW THE FUCK UP!

I am disgusted by DU.

[Fumesucker]

78. All real effective politics is taking place within the Democratic party these days

The Republicans are the far far right these days, everyone else, just the normal right, the center and the left are smushed into the Democratic party, of course it makes for a lot of internal conflict, how could it be any other way?

Eliminate the conflict from GD-P and it will look just like the Interfaith group, 11 posts in the last 30 days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251752601

[longship]

79. Well, I saw your post there, too.

My opinion is that one should try to get along, meaning that one should err on the side of agreement and common cause.

That is how to make DU a better place. Other tactics do not seem to work so well.

My best to you, my friend.

[sibelian]

81. Well, poor you.

Maybe your utterly vast and overwhelming concern for the dispossessed will extend beyond whatever you need to pretend it is to contrast yourself with opponents on an Internet fucking message board.

Maybe one day you'll post something that's actually about black people instead about something that somebody else thinks about black people.

I'm not holding my breath.

[NuclearDem]

88. ""Favorite group: African American"

I'm sorry, you were saying?

[Cha]

82. They look around and only see ugliness from Hill fans.. they're so pure! I envy that pureness. LOL

[Vattel]

84. I agree that some have shamelessly used BLM issues to smear Sanders and his supporters.

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I don't support everything BLM does. It's a large and diverse group, of course, and individual members don't always act well. I do agree with their basic views (e.g., that mass incarceration is an abomination, that police departments need better policies and training and accountability so that horrible things like what happened to Tamir Rice and Sandra Bland and Eric Garner don't happen so often), but I don't agree with some of the more specific views held by many members (e.g., that it is clear that Michael Brown was murdered).

[Gothmog]

86. Great OP

[Bobbie Jo]

87. Kick

This needs to stick around a little longer, apparently.