Why Hillary is Killing It in the Polls - Against Her Democratic Opponents & Republican

[tecelote]

You've listened to the Republican candidates. There isn't a sane one in the bunch.

Hillary is really the only safe bet. She won't change much. No way she'd break up the banks or prosecute anyone on Wall Street. Continual war will remain the norm. She's one of them. She's the only one running for President that will maintain the status quo.

So, our corporate overlords donate to her campaign and make sure the media knows where their paychecks are coming from.

But, here's what's different in this election cycle. For the first time in my lifetime, it looks like we have a chance to start turning the tables. Democrats Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley want to make the world a better place for all people. True Liberals now have an opportunity to elect a true Liberal to office.

Imagine Global Warming replacing Terrorism as our country's number one enemy. Imagine Welfare reform that helps the poor instead of punishing them. Imagine an educated nation. Imagine a true liberal agenda.

Forget about the polls and forget what the media is saying. Keep talking person to person. It's not complicated and it makes sense.

We need to make America work for Americans. All Americans.

2016 is our opportunity to make the world a better place. Let's not waste it.

[JaneyVee]

1. Why Hillary is killing it in the polls...

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, endorsements from civil rights hero's, and experience putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes. She has stood face to face with foreign governments and excoriated them for human rights abuses and stood up for diplomacy around the globe. She is supremely qualified to be president and lead our country forward

[workinclasszero]

4. She is the only qualified candidate for President

in the race on both sides!

[Politicalboi]

27. She is NOT the only qualified candidate

Stop fooling yourselves. Bernie is just as qualified as Hillary. Obama was never SOS and he was qualified.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. qualified for what?

[tecelote]

9. I don't dislike Hillary. I respect her.

But, she is a hawk and part of the establishment.

Sorry - continuous war really, really bothers me. Why are you ok with this?

I do not believe she is worth giving up the groundswell of opportunity Bernie offers.

America needs to change for the benefit of Americans.

[Bread and Circus]

36. what would say if someone inferred a politician was going to put their foot in Hillary Clinton's ass

I know it's it just a figure of speech but it has rape connotations and imagery of dominance by violating the body cavity of another human being.

The reason I point this out is because it seems the Hillary Clinton supporters are very sensitive to sexist language but don't seem to realize a lot of what they say is not any better and in this case worse.

Watch (disclaimer = this is just an exercise. I do NOT mean the following):

I really wanna see Bernie Sanders win and put his foot in Hillary Clinton's asshole!

...

Do you see how bad that looks? Would I not be rightfully and totally called out here on DU?

So why is such language any better using it against Republicans?

Hint. It's not. Integrity matters.

[olddots]

2. really ?

Really ????????????????????????

[Fred Sanders]

3. Liberal media helping Clinton? Where have I heard that before! Oh, yeah, just last night....

from Republicans and their media!

It is the liberal media helping liberal Clinton if you are a Republican inevitably losing to Clinton but the identical media is a corporate media helping corporate Clinton if you are a Democratic candidate inevitably losing to Clinton.

Which is it?

[tecelote]

7. I never called it the liberal media.

It's corporate owned and has it's own agenda.

[Trajan]

5. Pleasantly surprised ...

Not the post I expected, based on the subject line ...

Nicely said ... Kudos, and hooray for the progressive cause ..

[tecelote]

10. Thx.

[artislife]

6. Safe bet.

ugh.

What if the rebel rousers through history chose the safe bet each time?

There is little to celebrate in being timid.

[Agnosticsherbet]

8. I did not see "Corporate Overlord" list as a demographic in the polls

How does one randomly poll 400 Corporate Overlords.

[ish of the hammer]

12. watch out! the hair splitters are back!

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. So Democratic voters overwhelming preference her is Splitting Hairs?

The overwhelming poll numbers are not a trivial aspect of this issue.

[blackspade]

20. You mean older Democratic voters.

Those below 30 aren't included.

[Agnosticsherbet]

22. so says the rumor.

I will need to see proof. For years, I watched Ron Paul claim the youth were his demographic, they were natural libertarians who showed up in large numbers at his rallies. It was bullshit, of course.

So I would need to see proof.

[blackspade]

25. I guess you could do a little research, but this will get you started,

The polls have excluded a large part of Sanders' constituency because they didn't vote in 2008 or 2012.
These numbers basically exclude those younger than 27.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/27/1440708/-Unskewing-Monmouth-s-Iowa-Poll#

Nate Cohn
✔ ?@Nate_Cohn
Clinton's 41 pt edge in Monmouth IA is bc the frame is wayyy too narrow: *reg* D who vtd in last 2 primary. That's not a caucus electorate
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What a joke(1+ / 0-)
So you had to caucus during Dean/Kerry as well to be included in this poll? Who the hell approved this methodology?
by fatwa on Tue Oct 27, 2015 at 08:18:33 AM PDT
Gotta agree with you. (2+ / 0-)
There's no way the numbers could shift that drastically. What's the MOE? I just woke up so haven't looked at the crosstabs but anyone looking at those numbers should be skeptical.
P.S. I am not a crackpot.


New voters excluded(2+ / 0-)
Only 7% are between 18 and 34. 39% 65 and over. Ignore.
"When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.
by Paleo on Tue Oct 27, 2015 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. And I sm supposed to believe they will show up now?

I hope they do. It would be good forthe country. But until I see scientific polls, I won't hold my breath.

Perhaps Sanders should pay for a poll and reslease it.

[blackspade]

37. They showed up for Obama big time.

The issue with the current polling is that the sample of this demographic is 10 pts lower that the 2008 election turnout due to their sampling methodology.

My issue with the polling is not that Clinton has a lead currently, she does, but that the poor methodology inflates her lead, playing into the M$M and her more cultish followers' narrative that she is winning in a blowout before the first votes have been cast.

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. We will see when the voting starts

[blackspade]

39. We will indeed!

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[Agnosticsherbet]

23. so says the rumor.

I will need to see proof. For years, I watched Ron Paul claim the youth were his demographic, they were natural libertarians who showed up in large numbers at his rallies. It was bullshit, of course.

So I would need to see proof.

[dorkzilla]

30. I know some Ron Paul supporters and they were neither...

Young nor sane. And the Paul family just makes shit up.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. That has been my experience with Paul supporters.

I simply pointed out the claim.

Every poll that comes out, I see a rush to claim how wrong it is because of the youth.

Sanders Campaign can pay reputable companies to poll a Demographic group more in line with his youth supporters.
I would like to see those polls.

[dorkzilla]

34. I just think at this point they're much ado about nothing

So many get the numbers wrong...when I see any at this point I'm generally "meh" about it. Naturally we like the ones that suggest our favored candidate is winning but I don't think they mean much. For all we know O'Malley could win the primaries (I wouldn't be upset about that) Too early to tell.

Remember how well Herman Cain and Michele 'I make Sarah Palin look relatively sane" Bachman were doing at this point in the '12 election? I'm not likening any Democrats to the Nutty Bunch but you get my point.

[Catherina]

11. Had to read that twice before seeing it deserved a rec. Rec'd. n/t

[LexVegas]

13. So, is Obama "one of them" too? nt

[tecelote]

16. I like and respect Hillary and Obama.

Our President came in to a tough situation and handled it well.

However, for one, we still have continual war and the drone reality really bothers me.

How do you justify this?

[Sheepshank]

17. Just a little heads up...Bernie plans to continue the drone reality

and has not said anything about stopping wars. I imagine like Hillary, the plan is to de-escalate as much as possible, where possible.

[tecelote]

18. Yes, he's dancing a bit. But, he is not a hawk.

RADDATZ: Would you do away with the drone program? Would you do away with the drone program because you have clearly had problems with that. You didn’t vote for CIA director John Brennan because of the drone program and how it was run.

SANDERS: I think what you — Martha, what you can argue is that there are times and places where drone attacks have been effective, there are times and places where they have been absolutely countereffective and have caused more problems when they have solved. When you kill innocent people, what the end result is that people in the region become anti-American who otherwise would not have been.

So, I think we have to use drones very, very selectively and effectively. That has not always been the case.

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“We live in a difficult and dangerous world, and there are no easy or magical solutions. As President and Commander-in-Chief, I will defend this nation, its people, and America’s vital strategic interests, but I will do it responsibly. America must defend freedom at home and abroad, but we must seek diplomatic solutions before resorting to military action. While force must always be an option, war must be a last resort, not the first option."

[Sheepshank]

19. So, it's about degrees

and there is an arbirary, personally defined line somewhere that Bernie stands on one side and Hillary on the other. no actual numbers, just an assertion?

As if Obama and any other DEM POTUS will use drones un-carefully, un-wisely, all willy nilly without thought or reservation.

Alrighty then.

[tecelote]

21. I appreciate your viewpoint that we are doing just fine.

But, I disagree.

"As a member of Congress, I have supported the use of force only when it was a last resort and America’s vital interests were at stake." - Bernie Sanders

I respect Hillary and would really like to see this type of statement from her. But, it will not happen because it is not true.

Hillary is a great person and very positive for America but we diverge here.

[MADem]

29. A BIT? That's why he's putting an untried, piece of shit, inefficient, absurdly expensive fighter

aircraft that has blown up on the runway right smack - dab in the heaviest population center of his state? Even though a substantial number of his constituents do not want the damn thing flying over their homes?

He danced with the ones (Lockheed Martin) what brung him. No doubt he now likes drones because Lockheed Martin makes 'em.

He's voted for his share of war, and he has voted to fund it, too. No one has clean hands and I think there's no one on the Dem side who regards war as a first option. I can't speak for the GOP.

[BootinUp]

24. Hillary will change the Supreme Court...

Hillary will have as good a chance as anybody to get liberal policies advanced. Hillary is a true liberal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. I guess that depends on how limiting one's definition of "status quo" is. n/t.

[Cassiopeia]

33. Third way? No way!

[Yavin4]

35. So, after last night, the Republicans are crying about how mean the moderators were...

moderators who come from a big business friendly network, and one of them was Rick Santelli, largely credited for sparking the Tes Party movement back in 2009.

And now, you're posting that the MSM is now in Hillary's corner and is faking poll numbers in her favor.

Wow. Down is up.