2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumReady for Warren endorses Sanders
Two top officials with Ready for Warren, the group that attempted to nudge Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) into a presidential bid, are throwing their support behind Sen. Bernie Sanders, who appears to be Hillary Clintons progressive foil.
While Warren is the champion who inspired this movement, the draft effort was never just about her it's about her message and the values she represents, Erica Sagrans and Charles Lenchner write in an opinion piece on CNN released Friday morning.
Bernie Sanders has caught fire in a way that's reminiscent of the draft Warren movement itself from the Internet to town halls in Iowa, Sanders has captured the imagination and support of people looking for a real progressive challenger in the 2016 Democratic primary.
The two write that 56 percent of the groups supporters have asked it to back Sanders, whom the article frames as the new torchbearer of the Warren Wing. You can see it in everything from the fight against TPP to the growing momentum around Bernie Sanders, and in the way Hillary Clinton and even Republican candidates are echoing Warren's themes on income inequality, the op-ed says.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/245541-ready-for-warren-endorses-sanders
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I had the same reaction to the idea of Warren endorsing Clinton that you did.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Oh, that was yesterday.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)I vote for principal. Bernie has my vote no matter who Senator Warren endorses.
A Sanders/Warren ticket would be a real winner for the people.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It would be a huge LOSER in terms of national electoral politics. No way would such a ticket win on a national level.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)Tonight's lottery numbers?
The media already completely played-out the Native American thing.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Need you really ask how such a thing would play on the national stage?????
There goes both Ohio and Florida, and thus the entire race.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)You NEVER want both candidates from the Northeast.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)You would lose both Florida and Ohio, guaranteed, if you ran a Sanders/Warren ticket.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)You guys really are that insecure about Hillary and it shows. No need to reply because there is nothing you could say that would make damn bit of difference to me or anyone who thinks rationally about this election. You're betting on Straw men, and no votes have yet been cast.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)cpompilo
(323 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)That seemed to work out okay for them.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)as a plattitude, like you do are severely insecure about your position.
The Votes haven't even been cast yet and yet you try and ride this sure thing that HRC is a shoe in against BErnie... she was also a shoe in against Obama... just keep right on thinking that.... till the day you come back here to all of DU including the all the Hillary supporters congratulating....... gasp..... PRESIDENT SANDERS !!!!
BTW Montana is in the NORTH.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It was standard on much of Usenet back in the day.
senz
(11,945 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)by having a weekly NATIONAL town all on Thom Hartmann's radio show for almost the last decade. Now, that isn't a show that everyone hears everywhere, but it is a show that MANY in all regions of this country hear. The ones that are the most active in progressive politics as well, and those that will lead him in other states besides Vermont to be known nationally and not just in Vermont and the east coast. O'Malley has more of a regional recognition problem than Bernie does.
This is an election more on issues than on regionalism, and Bernie isn't the candidate with as much regionalism baggage as many other candidates have!
merrily
(45,251 posts)As a general rule, Democrats do not need a northeastern strategy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=8970
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/what-those-clinton-gore-confederate-flag-buttons-say-about-politics-in-2015/
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)OTOH, if Sanders likes the idea of a female VP (in a sense, a different way to "balance" the ticket), I'm not sure any other could be more helpful to his chances than Warren, regardless of where she's from. (Not that I have any idea whether EW would have any interest in the position.)
merrily
(45,251 posts)If Warren was not interested in running for President, I don't know why she'd be interested in running for Vice President. I agree with those who think his ticket would need more balance, geographical and otherwise. I also thought MannyGoldstein made a brilliant point once, namely, a military person.
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)For example, maybe because of things she was intending try to get done, or just some unknown personal reason, or any other plans of whatever sort, she did not want to be going through the grueling campaigning process for so much of 2015 and 2016... but if her campaigning doesn't need to start until the end of July 2016, maybe that works better for her. Or maybe she's not very interested in being president right now, but likes the idea of getting there eventually, and may see VP spot as the ideal platform for that spot. I don't know. I just don't see a reason to assume that someone who chose not to run for President would necessarily have no interest in being VP.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... as I noted in other earlier posts, because I think if someone picks a running mate too much aligned with other forces (the corporate PTB that is for Bernie), it makes them a lot bigger potential victims of an assassination attempt looking to put in place someone more in favor of those stances that a VP advocates than the president has.
I think the same threat might happen for Hillary if she were to pick Warren as her VP as well, which I don't think it would be a good idea for her either. Crazies exist in all political groups, and ones could just as easily try to put in Warren that way too. I wouldn't want that to be the pretext for a Warren presidency, even though I really would want her to have that shot some day too.
I do think that if Warren was his VP selection, at GE time, he might even hint more of being a one term president to help the prospect of getting an earlier time with a woman president in 2020 too. I don't think he'd be well served by making that sort of commitment with any other situation. And she'd be our first woman VP too! As VP she would be gaining more international experience, which is the big criticism of her being a presidential candidate now.
I think that her being VP for Bernie would be a way to empower populist changes in the administration, where she wouldn't have that power if she were Hlilary's VP, and would take her voice out of the Senate as well with that action.
Now looking around for other women pols with similar stances as Bernie has, we might even look at someone like socialist Kshama Sawant in Washington State now (which would also help him regionally here in the northwest where she helped get passed the $15 minimum wage there), but I don't think she has the residency qualifications to run for that office.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Harold Ford
and
Mary Landrieu
Let's give them a Bronx Cheer.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They went defunct.
My dream ticket is Clinton/Castro.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The Third Way think tank is carrying on their "good work."
And the reason the DLC went defunct is that Democratic activists rejected the organization, their policies, and their candidates.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Oh wait... They just changed their name when they found those brands unpopular. They still do exist!
Same for the DLC. They just changed their name to the Third Way to hide the DLC's history that showed it being started by the Koch brothers and other corporate entities wanting to corrupt this party away from its Democratic constituency roots.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Third Way is an entirely different organization. The DLC did not change its name, it dissolved.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)quakerboy
(13,921 posts)Curious why you think Bernie is a loser in Florida.
But even if your guess is correct.
We still win.
If we can take any two of the following : Arizona. Colorado. Iowa. Missouri. Georgia. North Carolina. Virginia. West Virginia.
Or either Ohio or Florida by themselves.
We can lose 8 of 10 and still win.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)IDK about that. Most folks would vote for ANY dem put up against that crazy.
840high
(17,196 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)If you want to insure a Republican presidency, nominate a ticket entirely from New England. There would be no more sure path to defeat.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)Would Democrats not vote for them? Why would they lose?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)it would be taken as an insult to have two candidates from the Northeast on the ballot.
Hell, just one can be a recipe for disaster (c.f. 2004).
neverforget
(9,437 posts)the content of their policies.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Goerge W. Bush
neverforget
(9,437 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Most of his votes came from people who wanted to have a beer with him.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)And there were tens of thousands of Dems who were disenfranchised and whose votes never got counted.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Ah yes, the German guy. He was one of the worst Nazis but never stood trial.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Unfortunately, in the case of my home state, Arkansas, geography has apparently played an extremely big role in deciding our measly 6 electoral votes. That is, no Democratic ticket has won the state since the 1940s if there wasn't at least one Southerner on the ticket.
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geardaddy
(24,931 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)you are using geographic regions as a basis for reason to nominate someone , as opposed to the actual ideas they espouse, which Warren and Sanders cover every possible demographic, Especially women, and any other minorities with perfect respect. Your Straw man arguments are utterly failing to convince anyone with a rational mind of anything you say.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)even though she's mired in scandal, and has already lost the nomination once to a black man from Chicago named Hussein.
More people would turn out to vote against Hillary, and those same people would also vote for Sanders.
I know lots of folks who would vote for Sanders and not Hillary. Take a look at your own position before calling others naive.
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cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... here in the NorthWEST of the country, and not get those kind of numbers at a rally on the east coast, if we are so regionally determined in who we follow!?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)As someone just pointed out. These "eom" messages show someone that has no real answers!
If you want me to include California, he also came close near LA when he had 27,500 attend a rally there too.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)If you don't want to say something again, give me a link or indicate a post number I should look at. Some of us are busy doing things like looking for jobs due to the economy that the pols in charge have given us and can't spend our whole lives on this board looking at everything here.
I'm ignoring your lack of specificity that looks to me to be by design when you don't have an answer.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)terms of who she endorses, doesn't matter one bit to me, either way. She will be obliged to do what the party expects of her. We know that, we know where her heart is however. Get the MONEY out of POLITICS. And REGULATE WALL ST. Hillary opposes those two things.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)He was the only candidate who had campaign reform as one of his policies. Shame what happened to him, all our good politicians get taken down by scandal.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)careers in the least. I believe they are protected, but I wonder what they have to do to get that protection?
This is the first campaign that I remember where the Money in Politics has been a huge issue.
Bernie gets the credit for that.
Biden too stated just a few weeks ago, that it must be a number 1 issue because 'until that is fixed' nothing else can be accomplished.
I was surprised at how serious he was about this. He sounded like Bernie.
He even told his audience that they should not even trust politicians they like, like himself. Because he said 'money has a corrosive effect on our system' even on good people.
I have no doubt that when a politician is receiving large sums of money from ANYONE, it is not for altruistic reasons.
To say otherwise is just laughable.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)A totally and completely unrelated to anything at hand innocent question from someone with no interests whatsoever.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)by doing this that politicians who do take that money ARE beholden to their donors, he will be beholden to the people who helped fund his campaign, most of them ordinary people, like me.
If all Dems did what he is doing, Citizens United would be neutralized and Dems could use it against Republicans..
However, the people won't fund candidates who do not get them excited about their campaigns. Bernie obviously has succeeded in doing so.
How would Hillary fare without Corporate Donations? I don't she can spark the enthusiasm that Sanders has. So most likely she would not receive a whole lot from ordinary people. See this forum, Bernie's Group here has donated thousands to his campaign. Hillary's Group hardly anything.
I prefer to know that candidates are not beholden to Corporations or Wall St.
840high
(17,196 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)two senators, both from the oh-so-and-far-too-liberal north? Can't win with that.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)since Delaware was a slave state and is mostly south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)but I think culturally, "the North" starts with Maryland these days.
Bernblu
(441 posts)You would think if they were really so confident of their candidate winning they would not act so smugly to Bernie's supporters. After all Clinton will need Bernie's supporters to vote for her in GE. It makes you wonder whether they are even Clinton supporters at all..
tblue
(16,350 posts)That's where trust is made or broken. Speeches or endorsements are nice but not elemental.
Go Bernie!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nomination. But without much enthusiasm.
Bernie doesn't expect endorsements from Elected Democrats. He knows the game, so do we, and that is why we are working hard to change it.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)She has a good relationship with both of them for different reasons. Bernie's economic/Wall Street positions are closer to Warrens, but I'm sure Warren is also excited about the possibility of having a Democratic female perspective as leader of the free world.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Wonderful news!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We know who is on the people's side, and Warren does, too - Bernie Sanders.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)And she complimented Hillary on doing a lot of good work:
DrBulldog
(841 posts)SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)Warren said that about Hillary in April of 2014; Hillary announced she was running in April of 2015.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/12/397891885/its-official-hillary-clinton-announces-presidential-run
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Or maybe a statement in April of 2014?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/
Is there a more recent statement by Warren supporting Hillary that is strong enough to suggest an endorsement?
Bernie did not announce until May 2014.
https://berniesanders.com/bernies-announcement/
So a letter written before that time would reflect Warren's views at the time of the letter, much too early to be an indication that Warren would back Hillary rather than Bernie or any other candidate who announced after Hillary.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)Warren has not made an official endorsement yet.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That's all that we know.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)over and over again...
Elizabeth Warren for First Female President...
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)But really..... Like they had a CHOICE??? Truly laughable - that so many Union heads (not necessarily the members) are throwing in with the "inevitable". I'd be pissed if I were paying does now.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)When Senator Warren endorses Hillary...
I will not be surprised whatsoever.
Uncle Joe
(58,453 posts)Thanks for the thread, wilsonbrooks.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Go Bernie!!!
Indydem
(2,642 posts)So they go from supporting the person who spent half her life as a republican
to
the guy who has spent his entire life not being a Democrat.
OK. I get it.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Perhaps we should consider that the party has become such a sorry thing that democrats often no long hold to democratic policies or philosophies. Does a super pac have any place in a democratic election? Do the Koch brothers? How about all of this money from the oil companies, big drug companies, financial institutions, the list goes on and on.
However you may feel about Sanders not being a democrat, one thing that can be said for him is that he is actually not beholden to wealthy special interests. We can also thank Warren for having the courage to take on these same special interests, to warn us about Citizens United, the overwhelming (and growing, even still) power of the wealthy few in this Country.
You need more than a D by your name to be a democrat - or at least you should.
You know what I find amusing? That both Warren and Sanders have demonstrated great courage, passion, integrity and strength, in a way that I have NOT seen from our party (except for perhaps in the case of Howard Dean) since I was old enough to vote - but that a lot of democrats must resort to mockery because... what? Warren didn't join the party soon enough? Sanders was too liberal to be a democrat? Is it really a good thing when our party has moved so far right that progressives and liberals often choose third parties because they feel that ours no longer represents them?
It's not just about whether one calls ones self a democrat, it's about policies, about ideas, it's about empathy, it's about civil rights, integrity, honesty, it's about courage. I've had enough of the classic, main stream candidates. I've had enough of super pacs, of billionaire puppet masters and legislation from democrats that... really should not be coming from democrats.
However amusing you may find it, a whole lot of us lifelong democrats (even those of us from generations of democrats) are finding Sanders to be the best damned candidate available - and not merely in spite of the fact that he is not a democrat but also in part because he is NOT what we have seen from "democrats" for quite some time. If it takes an independent to get this done, to issue the challenge we should have issued to the oligarchs a long time ago - I am with him, 100%.
Baadger
(56 posts).... after 8 years of Bernie
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,291 posts)But nice try confusing the two. Most people are smarter than that.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...Elizabeth Warren was still a republican at least into the 1990s.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)And Hillary still loves Kissinger into the 2010's, what's your point? I thought the point was to convert Republicans away from the dark side, am I wrong?
I don't expect an answer to the Kissinger one but I really am curious about the over 17 to get a license part.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)would ever endorse Wall Street owned Clinton, is if she becomes the Democratic nominee. And in that case I'd image Bernie would endorse her as well.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,291 posts)Hate to rain on your parade no wait I rather enjoy it.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Privately encouraging someone to run is far from an endorsement.
Sad when you have to create the illusion Hillary Clinton is in the same league as Sanders and Warren when it comes to the Wall Street banks instead of citing actual facts....
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,291 posts)Private encouragement is more than Bernie Sanders has received. But okay continue to grasp at straws.
BTW didn't you defend that homophobe Vladimir Putin?
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Warren received strong support from Sanders for her bill to reinstate Glass-Steagall. When it matters, where was Hillary?
As far as Putin..... I have no clue as to what you're referring to..
George II
(67,782 posts).....and the fact that this PAC has "endorsed" Sanders has nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren's positions on the Democratic candidates.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,046 posts)Or was that just a final ruse to see if they could get Liz to jump in the race?
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)can i take your test?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Where do you stand on TPP/TPA free trade legislation?
Where do you stand on H-1B Visa program expansion?
Where do you stand on getting all kids who can qualify with their grades, etc. a chance to go to any 4 year publicly funded university institution in this country and have that funded by those who speculate on Wall Street with a transactions tax that primarily affects their trades?
I could go on, but lets start with those.
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Given that his and Warren's policy ideas seem far closer together than Warren's and any other possible candidate.
I guess 44% of 'Ready for Warren' were ready for some reason other than policy, that doesn't apply in Bernie's case.
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)Sanders was a lesser known entity then.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)LOL
62 replies...and only 21 non-blocked replies showing...guess my blocked list came out in full revolt.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Ready for Warren couldn't have endorsed HRC and stayed true to their mission.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)let's just hope they keep their record going 1 more time.
zentrum
(9,865 posts).have already won on important points. They've dragged HRC and the party back to its Democratic rootsleft of center. HRC's new position on progressive issues comes from this "failure" of the Warren/Sanders Democrats.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)But it seems to still make some people a little anxious.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)And it's really appreciated by Sanders supporters.
George II
(67,782 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Two progressives from the left agreeing that she should not be the next President!!
I don't think she can recover from this.