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wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:21 PM Oct 2015

Ready for Warren endorses Sanders

Two top officials with Ready for Warren, the group that attempted to nudge Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) into a presidential bid, are throwing their support behind Sen. Bernie Sanders, who appears to be Hillary Clinton’s progressive foil.

“While Warren is the champion who inspired this movement, the draft effort was never just about her — it's about her message and the values she represents,” Erica Sagrans and Charles Lenchner write in an opinion piece on CNN released Friday morning.

“Bernie Sanders has caught fire in a way that's reminiscent of the draft Warren movement itself — from the Internet to town halls in Iowa, Sanders has captured the imagination and support of people looking for a real progressive challenger in the 2016 Democratic primary.”

The two write that 56 percent of the group’s supporters have asked it to back Sanders, whom the article frames as the new torchbearer of the “Warren Wing.” “You can see it in everything from the fight against TPP to the growing momentum around Bernie Sanders, and in the way Hillary Clinton and even Republican candidates are echoing Warren's themes on income inequality,” the op-ed says.




http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/245541-ready-for-warren-endorses-sanders

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Ready for Warren endorses Sanders (Original Post) wilsonbooks Oct 2015 OP
I wonder what Ready For Warren will do when Warren endorses Hillary? eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #1
LOL redstateblues Oct 2015 #2
Agreed. bvf Oct 2015 #29
I thought endoresements were anathema and didn't count? :D roguevalley Oct 2015 #44
The double standard isn't just about what endoresements count. Bubzer Oct 2015 #120
Bernie's priorities are the poor & the middle class; I think Warren would approve. pacalo Oct 2015 #4
I can't speak for anyone but myself, I am not a hero worshiper. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #6
"A Sanders/Warren ticket would be a real winner for the people." MohRokTah Oct 2015 #9
One request ejbr Oct 2015 #12
Why? scscholar Oct 2015 #13
A presidential candidate from Vermont with a running mate from Massachusetts?????? MohRokTah Oct 2015 #15
Pretty narrow-minded thinking. I'll await your followup insult. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #18
What insult? This is how national electoral politics works. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #20
Times have changed. Nobody cares anymore. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #21
That is simply denial. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #24
Yep. bravenak Oct 2015 #27
So what...... Bernie would still win nearly every state but Oklahoma and Montana by that logic ! V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #35
Think whatever wish, it doesn't make it true. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #42
Same goes for you. 840high Oct 2015 #83
Of course!! It's an opinion. Everybody has some of those. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #105
Shhh... Don't break the illusion of knowing it all. cpompilo Oct 2015 #43
It's my opinion. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #45
Didn't people say the same thing about Clinton-Gore being from the same region? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #38
The South is not the Northeast. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #46
Anyone who uses ....."eom" V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #51
eom = "End Of Message" MohRokTah Oct 2015 #66
Uh huh. What about Arkansas and Tennessee? senz Oct 2015 #58
Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #125
And Bernie has had more NATIONAL exposure than other Democrats... cascadiance Oct 2015 #124
Democrats have badly needed a Southern Strategy since the Civil Rights Act. merrily Oct 2015 #59
Fair point. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #60
I would really like to see a woman of color. merrily Oct 2015 #109
Who knows what reasons someone might have, for running or not running. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #110
I think it is just as important to find someone as VP that is like him on his ideology and stances cascadiance Oct 2015 #126
Uh huh,...DLC Dream Ticket would be,....(drumroll).... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #64
There is no DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #65
Mine's Bernie/Kucinich. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #72
. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #75
Thought that would do it for ya. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #77
My dream ticket does not include Clinton. 840high Oct 2015 #84
Don't worry kenfrequed Oct 2015 #111
And there is no Blackwater, Clear Channel, Diebold Systems, etc. either... cascadiance Oct 2015 #127
The DLC actually went defunct. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #129
That's nearly as unlikely as P/VP from Illinois/Delaware. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #87
Lol quakerboy Oct 2015 #123
Against Trump? Ligyron Oct 2015 #14
I am not so sure about that anymore. 840high Oct 2015 #85
There goes your sexism. Again. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #41
You have a fucked up view of the political landscape. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #47
I have a realistic view of the political landscape MohRokTah Oct 2015 #49
So people vote on where the candidates are from and not their policies or platform? neverforget Oct 2015 #53
On the Midwest, South, and West (with the exception of the Pacific Coast)... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #68
an insult? No it's an insult to think that people vote based where one is from and not neverforget Oct 2015 #69
One name. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #70
Explains nothing. neverforget Oct 2015 #73
Very few people who voted for him, voted over policies. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #76
So it was likability and not geography then? neverforget Oct 2015 #79
But he didn't win either election so he didn't get the most votes. cui bono Oct 2015 #95
"Goerge W. Bush"? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #97
George Bush didn't win nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #99
In most cases, you're probably correct Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #136
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #106
I'm in the midwest and I wouldn't care where the candidates were from geardaddy Oct 2015 #113
Your reasoning is truly ridiculous... V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #57
Your understanding of American national electoral politics is truly naive. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #67
Are you a political legend in your own mind? 840high Oct 2015 #86
And yet you think Hillary ewould be a good choice Lordquinton Oct 2015 #121
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #108
Using that logic then why did Bernie set a record with 28,000 attending his Portland rally... cascadiance Oct 2015 #128
Pacific Coast. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #130
Huh? WTF does that response mean? cascadiance Oct 2015 #132
You've ignored the entire subthread. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #133
I don't have time to search through every post you made to find something that MIGHT be relevant! cascadiance Oct 2015 #134
Lol, you wish! As part of the Draft Warren movement, I am thrilled with Bernie. What Warren does in sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #62
This is the reason I supported Edwards Lordquinton Oct 2015 #122
Yes, it was a shame. Scandals seem to roll of some politicians, though. Doen't seem to effect their sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #135
What about politicians that don't take money from big donors? Lordquinton Oct 2015 #137
Lol, the lose elections. Except for a few. Sanders isn't taking such donations. He is making a point sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #138
It would be a win for the people. 840high Oct 2015 #82
That's what was said about Obama/Biden: Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #88
I don't know if you could say Biden is from the North Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #94
Historically, you may have a point, Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #102
Clinton supporters are really smug. Bernblu Oct 2015 #98
That's me. My vote is based on the candidates' record tblue Oct 2015 #112
Warren has stated that 'Bernie is doing a great job'. She WILL endorse Hillary IF she wins the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #61
I have a feeling she will recuse herself of making any endorsement. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2015 #119
K&R! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #3
Damn Straight! Aerows Oct 2015 #5
And yet Warren urged Hillary to run for President and said she's "terrific." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #22
What do you mean by "And yet ..."? Bernie had not even declared by that time! DrBulldog Oct 2015 #56
Neither had Hillary. Warren didn't sign a letter urging Bernie to run. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #89
Is that the 2013 letter? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #90
Like I said, Warren never signed a letter urging Bernie to run, but she did for Hillary. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #91
"Warren has not made an official endorsement yet." JDPriestly Oct 2015 #92
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #7
K & R!!! Thespian2 Oct 2015 #8
Of course - I think this is a positive thing Plucketeer Oct 2015 #10
A couple of members of the 'Not Hillary' Party say something. onehandle Oct 2015 #11
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #16
You are very welcome. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #17
LOL Indydem Oct 2015 #19
Yep. I see a pattern here. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #25
Yup! leftofcool Oct 2015 #26
Is it really funny? davidthegnome Oct 2015 #117
Warren 2024 Baadger Oct 2015 #23
Ready for Warren is not Elizabeth Warren Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2015 #28
An oldie but goodie. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #30
That video is so old, was she still a registered Republican at the time? George II Oct 2015 #34
It's so old I think Hillary still had Goldwater bumper stickers on her car. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #39
Hillary wasn't old enough to drive (17 yrs old) when she liked Goldwater, but.... George II Oct 2015 #54
Where do you have to be older than 17 to drive? I started at 16. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #101
And when the real Liz Warren endorses Hillary? Many tears will be shed by DU liberals on that day. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #31
The only way a woman who has made it her mission to fight the fraudulent banks raindaddy Oct 2015 #50
But she did raindaddy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2015 #71
Warren hasn't endorsed a candidate for President... raindaddy Oct 2015 #78
Wow Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2015 #80
Ok, So you don't understand what an endorsement is... raindaddy Oct 2015 #81
It should be noted that Elizabeth Warren has absoluetly no affiliation with Ready for Warren..... George II Oct 2015 #32
Who said it did? Dawgs Oct 2015 #114
Didn't they already endorse him 4 months ago? LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #33
This is not news. The article is from June. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #40
In case you didn't realize it, "Billionaires for Bernie" has endorsed Sanders, too. George II Oct 2015 #36
Pretty much every genuinely progressive Dem and independent supports Bernie. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #37
Agreed. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #48
genuinely progressive Dem? stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #103
How about this test? cascadiance Oct 2015 #131
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #107
I'm actually surprised he got as little as 56% support. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #52
Also, this report is from June. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #55
Go Bernie! SoapBox Oct 2015 #63
Makes sense. zentrum Oct 2015 #74
They failed their attempt to get Warren running moobu2 Oct 2015 #93
Warren and Sanders zentrum Oct 2015 #118
This is old news. cui bono Oct 2015 #96
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #100
That's a great endorsement Babel_17 Oct 2015 #104
FYI, their website, " http://readyforwarren.com " has been suspended by the host system! George II Oct 2015 #115
Wow, this is devastating news to the Hillary campaign. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #116

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
6. I can't speak for anyone but myself, I am not a hero worshiper.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:45 PM
Oct 2015

I vote for principal. Bernie has my vote no matter who Senator Warren endorses.

A Sanders/Warren ticket would be a real winner for the people.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. "A Sanders/Warren ticket would be a real winner for the people."
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:58 PM
Oct 2015

It would be a huge LOSER in terms of national electoral politics. No way would such a ticket win on a national level.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
15. A presidential candidate from Vermont with a running mate from Massachusetts??????
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

Need you really ask how such a thing would play on the national stage?????

There goes both Ohio and Florida, and thus the entire race.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
20. What insult? This is how national electoral politics works.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:24 PM
Oct 2015

You NEVER want both candidates from the Northeast.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
24. That is simply denial.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:28 PM
Oct 2015

You would lose both Florida and Ohio, guaranteed, if you ran a Sanders/Warren ticket.

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
35. So what...... Bernie would still win nearly every state but Oklahoma and Montana by that logic !
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

You guys really are that insecure about Hillary and it shows. No need to reply because there is nothing you could say that would make damn bit of difference to me or anyone who thinks rationally about this election. You're betting on Straw men, and no votes have yet been cast.

thesquanderer

(11,995 posts)
38. Didn't people say the same thing about Clinton-Gore being from the same region?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

That seemed to work out okay for them.

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
51. Anyone who uses ....."eom"
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:30 PM
Oct 2015

as a plattitude, like you do are severely insecure about your position.

The Votes haven't even been cast yet and yet you try and ride this sure thing that HRC is a shoe in against BErnie... she was also a shoe in against Obama... just keep right on thinking that.... till the day you come back here to all of DU including the all the Hillary supporters congratulating....... gasp..... PRESIDENT SANDERS !!!!


BTW Montana is in the NORTH.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
124. And Bernie has had more NATIONAL exposure than other Democrats...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:09 PM
Oct 2015

by having a weekly NATIONAL town all on Thom Hartmann's radio show for almost the last decade. Now, that isn't a show that everyone hears everywhere, but it is a show that MANY in all regions of this country hear. The ones that are the most active in progressive politics as well, and those that will lead him in other states besides Vermont to be known nationally and not just in Vermont and the east coast. O'Malley has more of a regional recognition problem than Bernie does.

This is an election more on issues than on regionalism, and Bernie isn't the candidate with as much regionalism baggage as many other candidates have!

thesquanderer

(11,995 posts)
60. Fair point.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

OTOH, if Sanders likes the idea of a female VP (in a sense, a different way to "balance" the ticket), I'm not sure any other could be more helpful to his chances than Warren, regardless of where she's from. (Not that I have any idea whether EW would have any interest in the position.)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
109. I would really like to see a woman of color.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015

If Warren was not interested in running for President, I don't know why she'd be interested in running for Vice President. I agree with those who think his ticket would need more balance, geographical and otherwise. I also thought MannyGoldstein made a brilliant point once, namely, a military person.

thesquanderer

(11,995 posts)
110. Who knows what reasons someone might have, for running or not running.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:13 AM
Oct 2015

For example, maybe because of things she was intending try to get done, or just some unknown personal reason, or any other plans of whatever sort, she did not want to be going through the grueling campaigning process for so much of 2015 and 2016... but if her campaigning doesn't need to start until the end of July 2016, maybe that works better for her. Or maybe she's not very interested in being president right now, but likes the idea of getting there eventually, and may see VP spot as the ideal platform for that spot. I don't know. I just don't see a reason to assume that someone who chose not to run for President would necessarily have no interest in being VP.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
126. I think it is just as important to find someone as VP that is like him on his ideology and stances
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

... as I noted in other earlier posts, because I think if someone picks a running mate too much aligned with other forces (the corporate PTB that is for Bernie), it makes them a lot bigger potential victims of an assassination attempt looking to put in place someone more in favor of those stances that a VP advocates than the president has.

I think the same threat might happen for Hillary if she were to pick Warren as her VP as well, which I don't think it would be a good idea for her either. Crazies exist in all political groups, and ones could just as easily try to put in Warren that way too. I wouldn't want that to be the pretext for a Warren presidency, even though I really would want her to have that shot some day too.

I do think that if Warren was his VP selection, at GE time, he might even hint more of being a one term president to help the prospect of getting an earlier time with a woman president in 2020 too. I don't think he'd be well served by making that sort of commitment with any other situation. And she'd be our first woman VP too! As VP she would be gaining more international experience, which is the big criticism of her being a presidential candidate now.

I think that her being VP for Bernie would be a way to empower populist changes in the administration, where she wouldn't have that power if she were Hlilary's VP, and would take her voice out of the Senate as well with that action.

Now looking around for other women pols with similar stances as Bernie has, we might even look at someone like socialist Kshama Sawant in Washington State now (which would also help him regionally here in the northwest where she helped get passed the $15 minimum wage there), but I don't think she has the residency qualifications to run for that office.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
64. Uh huh,...DLC Dream Ticket would be,....(drumroll)....
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

Harold Ford

and


Mary Landrieu

Let's give them a Bronx Cheer.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
111. Don't worry
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:10 AM
Oct 2015

The Third Way think tank is carrying on their "good work."

And the reason the DLC went defunct is that Democratic activists rejected the organization, their policies, and their candidates.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
127. And there is no Blackwater, Clear Channel, Diebold Systems, etc. either...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:23 PM
Oct 2015

Oh wait... They just changed their name when they found those brands unpopular. They still do exist!

Same for the DLC. They just changed their name to the Third Way to hide the DLC's history that showed it being started by the Koch brothers and other corporate entities wanting to corrupt this party away from its Democratic constituency roots.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
129. The DLC actually went defunct.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

Third Way is an entirely different organization. The DLC did not change its name, it dissolved.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
123. Lol
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

Curious why you think Bernie is a loser in Florida.

But even if your guess is correct.

We still win.

If we can take any two of the following : Arizona. Colorado. Iowa. Missouri. Georgia. North Carolina. Virginia. West Virginia.
Or either Ohio or Florida by themselves.

We can lose 8 of 10 and still win.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
49. I have a realistic view of the political landscape
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

If you want to insure a Republican presidency, nominate a ticket entirely from New England. There would be no more sure path to defeat.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
53. So people vote on where the candidates are from and not their policies or platform?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:38 PM
Oct 2015

Would Democrats not vote for them? Why would they lose?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
68. On the Midwest, South, and West (with the exception of the Pacific Coast)...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

it would be taken as an insult to have two candidates from the Northeast on the ballot.

Hell, just one can be a recipe for disaster (c.f. 2004).

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
69. an insult? No it's an insult to think that people vote based where one is from and not
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:28 PM
Oct 2015

the content of their policies.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
76. Very few people who voted for him, voted over policies.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015

Most of his votes came from people who wanted to have a beer with him.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
95. But he didn't win either election so he didn't get the most votes.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:33 AM
Oct 2015

And there were tens of thousands of Dems who were disenfranchised and whose votes never got counted.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
136. In most cases, you're probably correct
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

Unfortunately, in the case of my home state, Arkansas, geography has apparently played an extremely big role in deciding our measly 6 electoral votes. That is, no Democratic ticket has won the state since the 1940s if there wasn't at least one Southerner on the ticket.

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #68)

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
57. Your reasoning is truly ridiculous...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

you are using geographic regions as a basis for reason to nominate someone , as opposed to the actual ideas they espouse, which Warren and Sanders cover every possible demographic, Especially women, and any other minorities with perfect respect. Your Straw man arguments are utterly failing to convince anyone with a rational mind of anything you say.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
121. And yet you think Hillary ewould be a good choice
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:19 PM
Oct 2015

even though she's mired in scandal, and has already lost the nomination once to a black man from Chicago named Hussein.

More people would turn out to vote against Hillary, and those same people would also vote for Sanders.

I know lots of folks who would vote for Sanders and not Hillary. Take a look at your own position before calling others naive.

Response to V0ltairesGh0st (Reply #57)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
128. Using that logic then why did Bernie set a record with 28,000 attending his Portland rally...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Oct 2015

... here in the NorthWEST of the country, and not get those kind of numbers at a rally on the east coast, if we are so regionally determined in who we follow!?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
132. Huh? WTF does that response mean?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

As someone just pointed out. These "eom" messages show someone that has no real answers!

If you want me to include California, he also came close near LA when he had 27,500 attend a rally there too.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
134. I don't have time to search through every post you made to find something that MIGHT be relevant!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

If you don't want to say something again, give me a link or indicate a post number I should look at. Some of us are busy doing things like looking for jobs due to the economy that the pols in charge have given us and can't spend our whole lives on this board looking at everything here.

I'm ignoring your lack of specificity that looks to me to be by design when you don't have an answer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
62. Lol, you wish! As part of the Draft Warren movement, I am thrilled with Bernie. What Warren does in
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:23 PM
Oct 2015

terms of who she endorses, doesn't matter one bit to me, either way. She will be obliged to do what the party expects of her. We know that, we know where her heart is however. Get the MONEY out of POLITICS. And REGULATE WALL ST. Hillary opposes those two things.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
122. This is the reason I supported Edwards
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:23 PM
Oct 2015

He was the only candidate who had campaign reform as one of his policies. Shame what happened to him, all our good politicians get taken down by scandal.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
135. Yes, it was a shame. Scandals seem to roll of some politicians, though. Doen't seem to effect their
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:18 PM
Oct 2015

careers in the least. I believe they are protected, but I wonder what they have to do to get that protection?

This is the first campaign that I remember where the Money in Politics has been a huge issue.

Bernie gets the credit for that.

Biden too stated just a few weeks ago, that it must be a number 1 issue because 'until that is fixed' nothing else can be accomplished.

I was surprised at how serious he was about this. He sounded like Bernie.

He even told his audience that they should not even trust politicians they like, like himself. Because he said 'money has a corrosive effect on our system' even on good people.

I have no doubt that when a politician is receiving large sums of money from ANYONE, it is not for altruistic reasons.

To say otherwise is just laughable.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
137. What about politicians that don't take money from big donors?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:51 AM
Oct 2015

A totally and completely unrelated to anything at hand innocent question from someone with no interests whatsoever.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
138. Lol, the lose elections. Except for a few. Sanders isn't taking such donations. He is making a point
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

by doing this that politicians who do take that money ARE beholden to their donors, he will be beholden to the people who helped fund his campaign, most of them ordinary people, like me.

If all Dems did what he is doing, Citizens United would be neutralized and Dems could use it against Republicans..

However, the people won't fund candidates who do not get them excited about their campaigns. Bernie obviously has succeeded in doing so.

How would Hillary fare without Corporate Donations? I don't she can spark the enthusiasm that Sanders has. So most likely she would not receive a whole lot from ordinary people. See this forum, Bernie's Group here has donated thousands to his campaign. Hillary's Group hardly anything.

I prefer to know that candidates are not beholden to Corporations or Wall St.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
88. That's what was said about Obama/Biden:
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:31 AM
Oct 2015

two senators, both from the oh-so-and-far-too-liberal north? Can't win with that.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
94. I don't know if you could say Biden is from the North
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:36 AM
Oct 2015

since Delaware was a slave state and is mostly south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
102. Historically, you may have a point,
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:43 AM
Oct 2015

but I think culturally, "the North" starts with Maryland these days.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
98. Clinton supporters are really smug.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:14 AM
Oct 2015

You would think if they were really so confident of their candidate winning they would not act so smugly to Bernie's supporters. After all Clinton will need Bernie's supporters to vote for her in GE. It makes you wonder whether they are even Clinton supporters at all..

tblue

(16,350 posts)
112. That's me. My vote is based on the candidates' record
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

That's where trust is made or broken. Speeches or endorsements are nice but not elemental.

Go Bernie!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
61. Warren has stated that 'Bernie is doing a great job'. She WILL endorse Hillary IF she wins the
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

nomination. But without much enthusiasm.

Bernie doesn't expect endorsements from Elected Democrats. He knows the game, so do we, and that is why we are working hard to change it.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
119. I have a feeling she will recuse herself of making any endorsement.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

She has a good relationship with both of them for different reasons. Bernie's economic/Wall Street positions are closer to Warrens, but I'm sure Warren is also excited about the possibility of having a Democratic female perspective as leader of the free world.

SunSeeker

(51,745 posts)
22. And yet Warren urged Hillary to run for President and said she's "terrific."
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:27 PM
Oct 2015

And she complimented Hillary on doing a lot of good work:




JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
90. Is that the 2013 letter?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:51 AM
Oct 2015

Or maybe a statement in April of 2014?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

Is there a more recent statement by Warren supporting Hillary that is strong enough to suggest an endorsement?

Bernie did not announce until May 2014.

https://berniesanders.com/bernies-announcement/

So a letter written before that time would reflect Warren's views at the time of the letter, much too early to be an indication that Warren would back Hillary rather than Bernie or any other candidate who announced after Hillary.

SunSeeker

(51,745 posts)
91. Like I said, Warren never signed a letter urging Bernie to run, but she did for Hillary.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:11 AM
Oct 2015

Warren has not made an official endorsement yet.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
10. Of course - I think this is a positive thing
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

But really..... Like they had a CHOICE??? Truly laughable - that so many Union heads (not necessarily the members) are throwing in with the "inevitable". I'd be pissed if I were paying does now.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
11. A couple of members of the 'Not Hillary' Party say something.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

When Senator Warren endorses Hillary...

I will not be surprised whatsoever.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
19. LOL
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

So they go from supporting the person who spent half her life as a republican

to

the guy who has spent his entire life not being a Democrat.

OK. I get it.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
117. Is it really funny?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:07 PM
Oct 2015

Perhaps we should consider that the party has become such a sorry thing that democrats often no long hold to democratic policies or philosophies. Does a super pac have any place in a democratic election? Do the Koch brothers? How about all of this money from the oil companies, big drug companies, financial institutions, the list goes on and on.

However you may feel about Sanders not being a democrat, one thing that can be said for him is that he is actually not beholden to wealthy special interests. We can also thank Warren for having the courage to take on these same special interests, to warn us about Citizens United, the overwhelming (and growing, even still) power of the wealthy few in this Country.

You need more than a D by your name to be a democrat - or at least you should.

You know what I find amusing? That both Warren and Sanders have demonstrated great courage, passion, integrity and strength, in a way that I have NOT seen from our party (except for perhaps in the case of Howard Dean) since I was old enough to vote - but that a lot of democrats must resort to mockery because... what? Warren didn't join the party soon enough? Sanders was too liberal to be a democrat? Is it really a good thing when our party has moved so far right that progressives and liberals often choose third parties because they feel that ours no longer represents them?

It's not just about whether one calls ones self a democrat, it's about policies, about ideas, it's about empathy, it's about civil rights, integrity, honesty, it's about courage. I've had enough of the classic, main stream candidates. I've had enough of super pacs, of billionaire puppet masters and legislation from democrats that... really should not be coming from democrats.

However amusing you may find it, a whole lot of us lifelong democrats (even those of us from generations of democrats) are finding Sanders to be the best damned candidate available - and not merely in spite of the fact that he is not a democrat but also in part because he is NOT what we have seen from "democrats" for quite some time. If it takes an independent to get this done, to issue the challenge we should have issued to the oligarchs a long time ago - I am with him, 100%.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. Hillary wasn't old enough to drive (17 yrs old) when she liked Goldwater, but....
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:40 PM
Oct 2015

...Elizabeth Warren was still a republican at least into the 1990s.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
101. Where do you have to be older than 17 to drive? I started at 16.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:34 AM
Oct 2015

And Hillary still loves Kissinger into the 2010's, what's your point? I thought the point was to convert Republicans away from the dark side, am I wrong?

I don't expect an answer to the Kissinger one but I really am curious about the over 17 to get a license part.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
50. The only way a woman who has made it her mission to fight the fraudulent banks
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:28 PM
Oct 2015

would ever endorse Wall Street owned Clinton, is if she becomes the Democratic nominee. And in that case I'd image Bernie would endorse her as well.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
78. Warren hasn't endorsed a candidate for President...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:05 AM
Oct 2015

Privately encouraging someone to run is far from an endorsement.

Sad when you have to create the illusion Hillary Clinton is in the same league as Sanders and Warren when it comes to the Wall Street banks instead of citing actual facts....

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,291 posts)
80. Wow
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:27 AM
Oct 2015

Private encouragement is more than Bernie Sanders has received. But okay continue to grasp at straws.

BTW didn't you defend that homophobe Vladimir Putin?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
81. Ok, So you don't understand what an endorsement is...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:01 AM
Oct 2015

Warren received strong support from Sanders for her bill to reinstate Glass-Steagall. When it matters, where was Hillary?

As far as Putin..... I have no clue as to what you're referring to..

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. It should be noted that Elizabeth Warren has absoluetly no affiliation with Ready for Warren.....
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

.....and the fact that this PAC has "endorsed" Sanders has nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren's positions on the Democratic candidates.

LuvLoogie

(7,046 posts)
33. Didn't they already endorse him 4 months ago?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

Or was that just a final ruse to see if they could get Liz to jump in the race?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
131. How about this test?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

Where do you stand on TPP/TPA free trade legislation?
Where do you stand on H-1B Visa program expansion?
Where do you stand on getting all kids who can qualify with their grades, etc. a chance to go to any 4 year publicly funded university institution in this country and have that funded by those who speculate on Wall Street with a transactions tax that primarily affects their trades?

I could go on, but lets start with those.

Response to Zorra (Reply #37)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
52. I'm actually surprised he got as little as 56% support.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

Given that his and Warren's policy ideas seem far closer together than Warren's and any other possible candidate.

I guess 44% of 'Ready for Warren' were ready for some reason other than policy, that doesn't apply in Bernie's case.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
63. Go Bernie!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:47 PM
Oct 2015

LOL

62 replies...and only 21 non-blocked replies showing...guess my blocked list came out in full revolt.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
93. They failed their attempt to get Warren running
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:18 AM
Oct 2015

let's just hope they keep their record going 1 more time.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
118. Warren and Sanders
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:28 PM
Oct 2015

….have already won on important points. They've dragged HRC and the party back to its Democratic roots—left of center. HRC's new position on progressive issues comes from this "failure" of the Warren/Sanders Democrats.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
116. Wow, this is devastating news to the Hillary campaign.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

Two progressives from the left agreeing that she should not be the next President!!
I don't think she can recover from this.

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