2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYou gotta love the look of the latest HuffPost/Pollster chart..
if you are a Hillary supporter!
riversedge
(70,329 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)We have yet to see many polls post Benghazi hearing.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)except as a footnote in the history books.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)You can fool most of the people most of the time.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)and that the fake email scandal finally dying.
Banksters may fear Sanders more than Hillary perhaps because a Sanders administration might cause this nation to go bankrupt.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)By making billionaires pay some taxes like us working stiffs?
What I notice, is when "folks" can't debate Bernie's (100% correct) policies, they make stuff up.
I watch all kinds of Republicans making wild claims about Bernie. All lies. 80% tax rate etc.
And you saying Bernie will bankrupt our 19 trillion dollar in debt nation with a shrinking middle class, is just stupid.
The top tax rate was much higher a few years back, and America built the best infrastructure, and education system the world had ever seen.
Taxes got cut, debt exploded, and America is now crumbling, and our bridges are literally falling into rivers.
Bernie plans on fixing some of the stuff, mainly who pays to make America great again.
Hillary, not so much.....
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Our economy is still fragile and any radical change could send us back into a recession.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)You mean the top .01% won't be able to reap their normal "returns" while the rest of us lose ground more, and more, and more.
I am 100% sure Bernie's policies if implemented will benefit far more people than the current trickle up crap we have had shoved down our throats since Reagan poisoned our economy.
I understand your concerns.
The filthy rich may revolt if they can double their wealth ever year!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I'd hate to see the Democrats lose the GE because of Hillary.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Will you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The math is obvious.
Weak Democratic support, animosity towards Hillary from the majority of independents, plus large voter turnout from the Republican haters equals a loss.
Those who push loyalty oaths, especially at the cost of Democratic values, are the reason this country has such an ignorant and pliable populace. Keep up the good work, Bubby.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Is that correct?
Nothingcleverjustray
(37 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The only thing you can think to do is try to strong arm a loyalty oath.
Aren't you the patriot.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Get lost dude.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Just like the Democrats in the GE because of folks like you.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)A lot of the denizens of this board are working their way through Elisabeth Kubler Ross' "Five Stages Of Grief" and are only in the first stage which is "Anger and Denial" . This is manifested in them questioning the credibility of scientific polls and lashing out at other members of this board indiscriminately. We should be there to comfort them and help them work through all the stages, the final stage which is "Acceptance"
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Im feel like bad boy today.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Some times they are just having a rough go of it.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It's not a matter of acceptance. It's the hopeful viewpoint that ethics, intelligence and courage will win out on willful ignorance and carry us forward with a positive vision for the future of our country..
Whoops - deleted the Kubler Ross reference.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Try your loyalty oath bullshit elsewhere.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Kind of cool actually!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)You merely asked him if he would vote for the eventual nominee. If there was a threat, explicit or implicit, it was so small as to be imperceptible, and in any case it was unenforceable.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)You seem out of date and prone to errors.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)If ALL Democrats come out in '16, we will regain the WH and even the Senate.
I'm not against Hillary per se, I just liked Bernie more... I still think she is an incredible candidate, and is far superior to the crazy that the GOP is offering. I will gladly pull the lever for Hillary Rodham Clinton....
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)allegiances to Hillary. They are largely coming out because the see an alternative to Hillary. I'll bet money on it.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I could swear up and down that I will vote for her, but it won't matter. She has failed the general populace over and over, from her vote for the Iraq War, repeated support for the PATRIOT Act, obvious lack of virtue when it comes to her being in bed with Wall Street.
Intelligent, ethical and informed voters see she is an awful choice, and when you combine that with the over-the-top haters, that makes an equation for losing.
What's sickening is that she has intelligent informed strategists who know this, and she will sacrifice the country in her relentless drive for power.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Please clarify.
davemac
(28 posts)Clinton, Trump, Bush, Rubio and Carson all have one major thing in common....they are working for the Corporatists and Oligarchs. If you don't believe me, go check out who is funding their super-pacs. Yes, they may catch you on social issues but the BIG ISSUE...CORPORATISM.....the thing which began with the election of Ronald Reagan - and has continued ever since with the election of Corporatists Presidents to this day. Yes, Bill Clinton is a Corporatists. In fact, he was the one who won the day for the Oligarchs. Up until his election, the Oligarchs only owned the Republicans. Bill gave them the Democratic Party. From this time on, electing a President has been a fun game for the Oligarchs. Here, pick which puppet you like, I have one on my right hand and one on my left hand. Sadly, Obama was the biggest scam. Hand-picked by Jamie Rubin, he fooled Americans into believing he was for change. They gave him Obamacare - as long as single payer was off the table - and big Pharma won big. And hey, did one Bankster go to jail? QED. Hilary Clinton has her super pack and only accepts her position on the left hand of the Oligarchs. In terms of full disclosure, Anderson Cooper should have opened the Democratic Presidential debate with a full disclosure statement that CNN is owned by Times Warner and that Times Warner was in the top 7 of Hilary's contributors to her super pac.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Hillary wins the nomination. So either way Republicans win.
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)She gets to hide behind her heterosexual white male or female privilege while the GOP wages war on blacks, browns, the poor, the working class, and glbtq people.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I honestly believe Hillary is more evil than Trump or Carson. She's the Vidkun Quisling of the Democratic party.
At least I can count on Republicans to shank Progressive values in the gut, not the back. Hillary, I've come to expect to backstab progressives every chance she gets and at the least opportune times. To me, Hillary is a stealth Republican and her supporters are the parade-goers from the fable of The Emperor's New Clothes shouting about her magnificence.
I will never support her. (I take that back...I'll vote for Hillary if she renounces the Third Way, Wall Street, "big banking" and Bill's legacy as President; swears off PAC money; and changes her name to Bernadette Sanders to reflect her new political identity as a Democratic-Socialist.)
I'll (probably) be voting my conscience and writing in Bernie if Hillary is the nominee.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)I have truly no use for her. At all. She's totally politically-null. A non-factor. She'll never get my vote or my support. I even withhold it from people she's employed, endorsed or who I perceive as being too close to the Clintons.
This is the face of my truest enemy:
The only thing I'd ever support Hillary doing is retiring.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The GOP will destroy the things most dear to people who call themselves Democrats.
I suspect you are a small minority of those who are actual Democrats and I also suspect you will change your mind once we get close to actually voting next November. Few real Democrats could ignore the potential horrific damage a fully GOP controlled government could do.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Go Hillary!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
DCBob
(24,689 posts)ReallyIAmAnOptimist
(357 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)as has been said here many times before.. Bernie is no Obama... far from it.
Once Bernie shows he can connect with African American voters then he might have shot.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Do you think Bernie will make any inroads at all with the base democratic voters by then?
I doubt it with the way they are running their campaign as evidenced by the ridiculous stuff on this board anyway.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie still seems to be focusing his main efforts in his comfort zone.. northern white liberal states. Unless something dramatic changes he is toast once we get past NH.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its like they do not care a bit that they are going nowhere with PoC which are the base of the democratic party. They keep hammering away at 90% plus white states with small populations while writing off large population, racially diverse states loaded with delegates.
WTH?
It makes no sense and everyday they concentrate on these two little non-representative states, their chances of actually winning decrease!
Its
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)x100
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Not sure it will matter though. Democrats are determined to lose the presidency this time.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)put up in a landslide.
Easy peasy.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)and defeat any candidate the Republican offers...yes by a landslide
Then Banks,Wall St, will be shreding documents and beginning their cove-ups
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Good luck getting them off their asses, under 30's hardly ever show up at elections.
Internet clickbait polls are their game lol
INdemo
(6,994 posts)in 2012 ?
reddread
(6,896 posts)know what I mean?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Willard Romney received 7% of the Democratic vote in 2012:
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/
so it couldn't be very many.
Does that satisfy your curiosity?
Thank you in advance.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There was a very large number of candidates.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)... things are going to start changing for even better for Hillary this coming week. She really only has to stay where she is right now and she wins the nomination handily.
The repukes will throw more mud but at this point, only their base really cares or believes. Bernie and his friends have stopped calling for more debates (gee I wonder why) and she can concentrate on small town halls and getting a jump on fund raising for the general.
Poor Bernie, who wasn't going to attack her, has started to attack her. If he keeps it up it won't go well for him. He should ask Trey Gowdy what it feels like to try to smack Hillary around. She is great under pressure and her opponents usually just shout loudly and lose... badly.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Hillary so dreamily "Presidential". Look at what a competent public speaker Hillary is! Hillary gave such command performances!
Hillary deserves to sweep the Emmys!
The issues? What are those? You mean those little meaningless things that Clinton recently sort of decided to agree with Sanders on? What do those have to do with anything?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It would have been 24/7 "Hillary the great is finished!"
Cha
(297,774 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Nice try wall street lacky.
jfern
(5,204 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)long before Biden "dropped" out.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Geez, just turn on Biden on the graph and you'll see all of her gains came from him.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He didn't do that in September.. geez.