2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBootinUp
(47,200 posts)I like him a lot.
msrizzo
(796 posts)He's getting better as he goes along.
elleng
(131,176 posts)I expect he'll be better received as things move along.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Sister, do you think it is a function of the fact that the candidate dissing another Democrat hasn't even been a Democrat long enough for the ink he signed to become one to dry on the papers?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Their heart is not in it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)To this dispassionate observer it strikes me as a reaction to his precipitous drop in the polls.
"Prosperity conceals character. Adversity reveals it." and to put it bluntly if you really want to know what people think about you get them mad at you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I find it unhelpful. .
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Math is not my forte but I don't believe 20% of the vote leads to electoral success...Maybe this candidate has a secret plan.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We will just take to the streets! (Well not me, I have kids and class... But somebody will!!)
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Of course, one obvious difference is that the attack on Obama's personal abilities could be, and was, picked up by Republicans in the general, whereas "attacking" Clinton for holding too-conservative policy positions won't have that effect.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Of course it was an act of expediency but her supporters never conferred sainthood on her...If a candidate says he or she eschews negative campaigning he or she should eschew negative campaigning. Find a principle and stick to it.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I don't expect to see Sanders bringing up cattle futures or the like, but noting the points of policy differences is raising, not lowering, the level of discourse.
As for "Find a principle and stick to it," yes, that's good advice. Both Sanders and O'Malley found and have stuck to such principles as support for marriage equality and opposition to the TPP.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Do you think if Bernie represented an inner city Congressional district instead of a rural Vermont Congressional district and then state he would have opposed the Brady Bill and supported gun manufacturer immunity?
Do you think if Bernie represented an inner city Congressional district instead of a rural Vermont Congressional district and then state he would have solicited $20,000.00 from the N.R.A.
Thank you in advance.
My goal isn't to besmirch Bernie . I just believe he is not above transactional politics which makes him no different than Hillary or any of the other politicians he and his supporters decry.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Yes, all elected officials respond to varying influences, including their own backgrounds, their funding sources, and their constituents' preferences.
Even on the gun issue, Sanders's poor ratings from the NRA indicate that he was not the tool of the gun lobby that the Clinton campaign would have us believe. Of course, Clinton supporters never want to mention all the gun-control bills that Sanders voted for; that doesn't fit the narrative.
The main point, though, is that, of the three remaining major Democratic candidates, Clinton is the one who has most clearly shifted her positions for political reasons. I'm not saying this to impugn her morals. I'm not in charge of who gets into Heaven; I don't even believe in the place. My concern is predicting what each candidate will do if elected. I have far more confidence in either O'Malley or Sanders than I do in Clinton. That's based partly on the current positions taken by each of the three, and partly by their records.
BootinUp
(47,200 posts)saying he is the only one that will govern by principle. Its all he can do, because their positions aren't really different on the issues.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)First, I don't think he's saying what you impute to him. Second, their positions really are different on many things. That's why Clinton has attacked Sanders from his left on gun control. That's why Sanders has attacked her from her left on a whole host of other issues.
To the extent that their positions are the same on some issues, it is, in some instances, because of Clinton has changed her position. People who oppose bad agreements like the TPP can legitimately have more confidence in a politician who's been consistently against it.
BootinUp
(47,200 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Just sayin
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Since becoming a quinquagenarian my memory isn't what it used to be so I can't be of more assistance.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #4)
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)elleng
(131,176 posts)FSogol
(45,545 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I hope he can stay around longer. Its hard to raise $ with Hillary and Bernie scooping it up.
I have gone to his site and maybe I'm a personality voter when it comes down to it because he is solid on many issues important to me but I'm just not seeing enough of him to get excited. Otoh with Webb and chaffee out hopefully OMalley gets more time at the next debate.