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I was very impressed with Martin O'Malley (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 OP
Same here. BootinUp Oct 2015 #1
Good. elleng Oct 2015 #9
He seemed more relaxed and sure of himself. msrizzo Oct 2015 #2
Good to hear. elleng Oct 2015 #3
Me too. Like him alot. bravenak Oct 2015 #4
Great! elleng Oct 2015 #8
I saw three candidates last night and only one of them was dissing other Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #10
That is how you know who is real. bravenak Oct 2015 #12
Sister, do you think it is a function of the fact that the candidate dissing another Democrat DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #13
Yes I do Brother. Some people at time do things for expidency's sake. bravenak Oct 2015 #14
And wasn't he the gentleman who praised himself for not speaking negatively of his opponents? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #15
I find it interesting that there has been that change of tactic. bravenak Oct 2015 #16
I fail to see the efficacy of attacking a candidate with a 80% intra -party favorable rating... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #17
It is called revolution, as if we do not aldready know! bravenak Oct 2015 #18
So, for example, Clinton's "3am phone call" attack ad against Obama was an example of expediency? Jim Lane Oct 2015 #20
Of course it was an act of expediency... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21
You consider discussion of serious issues to be negative campaigning? Jim Lane Oct 2015 #22
Do you think if Bernie DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #23
A difference in degree so great as to be a difference in kind Jim Lane Oct 2015 #29
Bernie is attacking her character BootinUp Oct 2015 #24
Double fail Jim Lane Oct 2015 #25
I propose that we either didn't see the same event or will not be able to agree. BootinUp Oct 2015 #26
Note she was not nominated gwheezie Oct 2015 #27
who? i didn't watch. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #30
I believe it was one of the two male candidates. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #31
that is a term i will have to put in my back pocket soon. :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #10
He's very good. Agschmid Oct 2015 #5
I agree. elleng Oct 2015 #7
Good. I've been very impressed by him for quite a while. elleng Oct 2015 #6
K&R. n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #19
He's gotten a slow start gwheezie Oct 2015 #28

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
13. Sister, do you think it is a function of the fact that the candidate dissing another Democrat
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:02 AM
Oct 2015

Sister, do you think it is a function of the fact that the candidate dissing another Democrat hasn't even been a Democrat long enough for the ink he signed to become one to dry on the papers?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
15. And wasn't he the gentleman who praised himself for not speaking negatively of his opponents?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

To this dispassionate observer it strikes me as a reaction to his precipitous drop in the polls.

"Prosperity conceals character. Adversity reveals it." and to put it bluntly if you really want to know what people think about you get them mad at you.



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
17. I fail to see the efficacy of attacking a candidate with a 80% intra -party favorable rating...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:42 AM
Oct 2015

Math is not my forte but I don't believe 20% of the vote leads to electoral success...Maybe this candidate has a secret plan.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
18. It is called revolution, as if we do not aldready know!
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:54 AM
Oct 2015

We will just take to the streets! (Well not me, I have kids and class... But somebody will!!)

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
20. So, for example, Clinton's "3am phone call" attack ad against Obama was an example of expediency?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

Of course, one obvious difference is that the attack on Obama's personal abilities could be, and was, picked up by Republicans in the general, whereas "attacking" Clinton for holding too-conservative policy positions won't have that effect.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
21. Of course it was an act of expediency...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 06:56 PM
Oct 2015

Of course it was an act of expediency but her supporters never conferred sainthood on her...If a candidate says he or she eschews negative campaigning he or she should eschew negative campaigning. Find a principle and stick to it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. You consider discussion of serious issues to be negative campaigning?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

I don't expect to see Sanders bringing up cattle futures or the like, but noting the points of policy differences is raising, not lowering, the level of discourse.

As for "Find a principle and stick to it," yes, that's good advice. Both Sanders and O'Malley found and have stuck to such principles as support for marriage equality and opposition to the TPP.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
23. Do you think if Bernie
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:14 PM
Oct 2015

Do you think if Bernie represented an inner city Congressional district instead of a rural Vermont Congressional district and then state he would have opposed the Brady Bill and supported gun manufacturer immunity?

Do you think if Bernie represented an inner city Congressional district instead of a rural Vermont Congressional district and then state he would have solicited $20,000.00 from the N.R.A.

Thank you in advance.

My goal isn't to besmirch Bernie . I just believe he is not above transactional politics which makes him no different than Hillary or any of the other politicians he and his supporters decry.


 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
29. A difference in degree so great as to be a difference in kind
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:21 PM
Oct 2015

Yes, all elected officials respond to varying influences, including their own backgrounds, their funding sources, and their constituents' preferences.

Even on the gun issue, Sanders's poor ratings from the NRA indicate that he was not the tool of the gun lobby that the Clinton campaign would have us believe. Of course, Clinton supporters never want to mention all the gun-control bills that Sanders voted for; that doesn't fit the narrative.

The main point, though, is that, of the three remaining major Democratic candidates, Clinton is the one who has most clearly shifted her positions for political reasons. I'm not saying this to impugn her morals. I'm not in charge of who gets into Heaven; I don't even believe in the place. My concern is predicting what each candidate will do if elected. I have far more confidence in either O'Malley or Sanders than I do in Clinton. That's based partly on the current positions taken by each of the three, and partly by their records.

BootinUp

(47,200 posts)
24. Bernie is attacking her character
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:17 PM
Oct 2015

saying he is the only one that will govern by principle. Its all he can do, because their positions aren't really different on the issues.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
25. Double fail
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:33 PM
Oct 2015

First, I don't think he's saying what you impute to him. Second, their positions really are different on many things. That's why Clinton has attacked Sanders from his left on gun control. That's why Sanders has attacked her from her left on a whole host of other issues.

To the extent that their positions are the same on some issues, it is, in some instances, because of Clinton has changed her position. People who oppose bad agreements like the TPP can legitimately have more confidence in a politician who's been consistently against it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
31. I believe it was one of the two male candidates.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:34 PM
Oct 2015

Since becoming a quinquagenarian my memory isn't what it used to be so I can't be of more assistance.

Response to bravenak (Reply #4)

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. He's gotten a slow start
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

I hope he can stay around longer. Its hard to raise $ with Hillary and Bernie scooping it up.
I have gone to his site and maybe I'm a personality voter when it comes down to it because he is solid on many issues important to me but I'm just not seeing enough of him to get excited. Otoh with Webb and chaffee out hopefully OMalley gets more time at the next debate.

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