Referring to women as shiny objects is sexist.

[Cali_Democrat]

Period.

Also, they're not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome if they dare to express their polical views.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. .

[bravenak]

2. Yes. We are not 'objects'.

[sheshe2]

3. +1000~

Thank you Cali_

[Cali_Democrat]

4. You're welcome!

It's sad that it even needs to be said here.

[Lisa D]

5. +1

[NCTraveler]

6. Agree. Nt

[JaneyVee]

7. Yeah it is.

[murielm99]

8. This post was alerted.

You squeaked by, keeping it 4-3.

WTF is wrong with some people here?

[SunSeeker]

26. Unfuckingbelievable. nt

[Cha]

56. Of course it did.. they can't handle the truth.

[Recursion]

60. Seriously?

There's a reason I'm now on /r/politics more than here, I think, and that's a sad statement.

[kath]

9. WHERE, exactly, did someone "refer to women as shiny objects"?

Link please.

[KittyWampus]

41. WillyT stepped up to the plate again:

Editing in for jurors- I'm not calling anyone out, just answering a question:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251720752

[Number23]

59. Damn, has that one been on a fucking roll lately or what??!

Not that any of that has been a surprise to anyone that's paid even the slightest bit of attention.

[merrily]

10. I've never said which juror I was or how I voted, but, this once, I was juror 3

On Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Referring to women as shiny objects is sexist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251721621

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive. The only purpose of this is to make DU suck by stirring up the lowest most disruptive type of arguments about nothing. I guarantee nobody said women are "shiny objects". Also has nothing to do with primaries, except their goal is to stir up bad feelings in the primaries forum.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:40 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is this being alerted? More stalking of people who usually post in the AA forum? I see no reason for this alert other than personal vendetta. Please leave it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A silly alert. LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Too late to worry about making DU suck--and I disagree with the OP about almost everything. At most, this is a host issue.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Post seems pointless...little context...stirring a pot.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Alerter is right. NO ONe, repeat NO ONE, referred to women as shiny objects. An OP from yesterday began "Keeping us in ignorance is no accident. The primary 'horse race' is nothing more than a shiny object, meant to draw our attention and interest away from the fact that the establishment wings of both parties support Wall Street bankers, the military
industrial complex, and the neoliberal capitalist model.
The OP here is lying and making stuff up, trying to stir the shit (and she does it all the time) ENOUGH of this bullshit.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not going to hide this. A DUer absolutely did refer to women and minorities as having Stockholm Syndrome for supporting Clinton.


Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. WOW

I'm surprised it was even that close.

I wouldn't think the OP wouldn't be controversial.

Thanks.

[sufrommich]

38. I've started alerting on jurists like #5 who insult the poster

in jury comments.There's an alert button on juries,everyone should use it when someone uses the jury system to insult posters.

[merrily]

40. I've alerted on two sets of jury results.

One was Columbus Day, when two trolls that MIRT quickly dispatched -- because of alerts--posted blatantly racist crap about First Nations, incl. referring to them as "savages" and a juror refused to hide. If you are not going to hide something that blatantly racist, you should not serve on any jury, IMO.

Another was yesterday when an alerter's stated reason for alerting was simply "Stop raining on our damned parade." IOW, disagreement with the alerter's choice of candidate. I couldn't believe someone had the nerve to waste the time of seven DUers with that nonsense.

[sufrommich]

42. Yep,there's far too much abuse and revenge used in the jury system,

that's why I started alerting on the nasty stuff,I don't care which "side" it comes from.

[workinclasszero]

12. Whats with the sudden breakout of sexism

around here anyway?

Hillary has a good week and suddenly its open season on women that support Hillary like Katy Perry.

Shiny objects? Stockholm Syndrome?

F that shit!

[passiveporcupine]

14. While I cannot speak to the Stockholm Sydrome statement

As mentioned by one of the jurors:

An OP from yesterday began "Keeping us in ignorance is no accident. The primary 'horse race' is nothing more than a shiny object, meant to draw our attention and interest away from the fact that the establishment wings of both parties support Wall Street bankers, the military
industrial complex, and the neoliberal capitalist model.

NOBODY said women are shiny objects. And to try to claim that is dishonest and disruptive.

[betsuni]

15. An OP from today called Katy Perry a shiny object. This is what is being discussed.

[workinclasszero]

17. Right

Thank you.

[passiveporcupine]

18. Thank you, I did not see that OP

Does someone have a link?

[Cali_Democrat]

21. I would post it, but unfortunately I'm a target for alerts

Someone would probably alert me for a call out.

I'll just tell you that's its on the first page of GDP.

[KittyWampus]

44. I posted the link up thread post #41 simply for reference.

[senz]

27. Oh and so Katy Perry = "all women?"

We're interchangeable? One woman's as good as the next?

I don't think so.

[betsuni]

29. #NotAllKatyPerrys

[sheshe2]

22. Trust me you should read it, passiveporcupine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

[passiveporcupine]

30. Thanks She she, but that wasn't the link I was asking for, however

I did read most of it (and a whole lot more threads while trying to use "search" to locate the thread on the shiny object...no luck. From what I read here tonight, I think a lot of people tend to react to things with an intent to take offense...to make them up to be more than they actually are, like labeling things racist, sexist, etc...when they were clearly not meant that way.

I have never thought "shiny object" was a sexist term. It's not the way I've ever heard it used in my lifetime...and I can only guess it was used to mean her celebrity was used as a distraction, not her sex. And the thread asking if some groups have Stockholm syndrome, kinda fits the same category to me. The OP was not saying those groups have it. He was asking a question in exasperation about how those groups can be so eager to vote for someone who supported previous patterns of suppression against those groups. I can understand his reference, without it being a nasty label.

I think the hair triggers here are way too "hot" and easily pulled. Too many bodies falling all over the place. Put down the weapons. I wish everyone would just take a chill pill. We have a long way to go before the GE. Gads, this place is a tinder box.

Now, I'm not a fast reader, and my eyes are bad and I don't have glasses, so I am not going to struggle through any more of these threads tonight. I'm off to bed. I do hope everyone cools off a little overnight.

[betsuni]

31. The OP you want is "For Side by Side Comparison."

Too lazy to link, sorry.

[passiveporcupine]

50. Thank you

I did see that thread...just was so absorbed by the pictures I missed the text.

Still, I do not see that in any way as a sexist comment. To me, it was aimed at the glittery stage set and fame of a rockstar...it was not about sex at all. I mean look at the stage...it almost looks like a 4th of July celebration, just missing the fireworks.

Stage sets like that are fine for celebrating a win, but they are just a glittery distraction during the race. They are form, not function. Bernie is not worried about form. He's focused on function.

[betsuni]

57. In this case it has a lot to do with the history of who posted it.

Now he has a OP implying that Katy Perry and Bill Clinton will set tongues wagging with gossip. It's not about Bernie, it's about smearing Democrats and "innocently" insulting women and minorities. Like Fox News, "I'm just asking questions." I wouldn't mind so much if it were cleverly done, but it isn't.

[passiveporcupine]

58. You may be right. I'm not familiar with the member.

And the OP you just mentioned does sound pretty tacky. I'll have to check it out.

[sheshe2]

32. Katy Perry/Hillary thread.

I have to go.

Not sure where it is.

I need to sleep.

[Flying Squirrel]

16. Think that was bad..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=720670

[Agschmid]

20. Yikes.

[Squinch]

49. Blatant sexism is just part of what makes DU tick. Also denial that there's blatant sexism.

This is nothing new. This wave is very mild compared to others I've seen here.

[Fawke Em]

13. OK _ Then why does she do that?

She brings up her "parts" more than I even did when I was pregnant.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Referring to Bernie's head as "shiny" is baldist.

[starroute]

23. "Shiny object" is any distraction -- it's not a putdown of women

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiny+objects

Shiny Object

The distracting item, person, or activity that keeps you from doing what you should be doing.

Something unintentional or unforseen that distracts you from getting anything done or goals accomplished.

Marlene was working at peak efficiency when opening up her email became the "shiny object" to her day.

I really wanted to be productive this weekend, but my kid getting sick became my shiny object.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. Nobody told you?

Everything said by Sanders or his Berniebro supporters should be twisted, as possible, to demonstrate hatred of women and minorities.

[rjsquirrel]

28. Yep

It is the most cynical tactic of contemporary left politics.

All animals are equal after all. On DU too.

[zappaman]

33. Sure, Manny.

Sure.

[99Forever]

37. Ya mean ta say...

... the faux outrage has an agenda behind it?

I'm stunned to hear it!

STUNNED I say.

(Good mornin' Berniebro. )

[Bobbie Jo]

54. hatred? No...

Dismissive, absolutely.

[Comrade Grumpy]

53. Yes. This thread is very transparent.

[Maedhros]

25. Yeah, I doubt any of this ever happened. [n/t]

[SunSeeker]

34. See posts 22 and 31. nt

[SunSeeker]

35. K & R

[Armstead]

36. I agree with about Stickholm Syndrime but...

not "bright shiny object."

That is a standard phrase used to many things and people, and basically means something or someone that is a seemingly attractive distraction. Nothing to do with gender.

Pretty soon there will about ten acceptable words in the English language.

[beam me up scottie]

39. This.

One poster even claimed that calling Hillary "chicken" was sexist.

[KittyWampus]

45. Of course you don't. Except you'd be pleased if/when Bernie ever gets a pop star

to appear at a rally to entertain the crowd.

Having a pop star or entertainer appear at a political really is hardly a new practice.

So to come out and call Katy Perry a "shiny OBJECT" when she's doing what many other male/female entertainers have done over many, many years is an extremely poor choice of phrasing from the same poster who suggested African Americans and LBGT people have "Stockholm Syndrome" for supporting Clinton.

[Armstead]

47. I would certainly be pleased, and bright shiny objects are always part of campaigns

I was not among those who criticized Clinton for having someone like Katy Perry headline a rally, although I do think "star appeal" should not be a substitute for actual serious campaigning.... i.e. using a bright shiny object to gloss over substance.

I would love to see an extravaganza like The Boss for Bernie.......with Brooooooce, and/or some popular younger pop stars with millennial appeal. (I don't keep up with pop music enough any more to give any names.)

My post was focused on this idea that it''s getting to the point where this minefield of supposedly biased terms prevents any give-and-take or criticism. If Hillary or Bernie brought out, say a popular pro football player or male movie star, that would also be a "bright shiny object."

[DCBob]

43. Also women are not "shouting" when just expressing their opinion forcefully.

Bernie Sanders vs. Hillary Clinton on Guns: "All The Shouting In The World" Won't Keep Guns Out Of Wrong Hands.

Well Bernie.. all the defending and excuses is certainly not going to do it either.

[Vinca]

46. Sometimes I can't believe what tender flowers we've turned into.

The world is upended so easily around here.

[Armstead]

48. We need to be Evergreens

[WorseBeforeBetter]

52. I'm bothered by that.

[emulatorloo]

51. Recommended

And to hell with those trying to justify that thread.

[Cha]

55. WOW! Complete Desperation.. and, I think you know who I'm talkin' about.. you know

it's not you.

Thank you, Cali

[cwydro]

61. I'm a woman.

I'm a longtime Hillary supporter.

This is just nonsense.

Come on now...