“So I'm Not Prepared To Give Up On Libya,” Clinton Declared On 'The Rachel Maddow Show'

[Purveyor]

Hillary Answers to the Left on 'The Rachel Maddow Show'

In one of the few challenging moments of the encounter—the anchor’s first-ever interview with the candidate—Maddow did argue that Clinton’s adversaries might occasionally have a point.

“I do think the Republicans on the committee were right yesterday when they highlighted as a policy matter that Libya is in a bad situation,” Maddow told the candidate, suggesting that the murder of dictator Muammar Khadaffi led to the sort of violent chaos that resulted in the deaths of four Americans, the same kind of unintended consequence that could result from the toppling of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

That prompted a lengthy discourse from Clinton on the complications of Syria, where she supports instituting a coalition-run no-fly zone, and Libya, where she backs continued United States involvement.

“So I'm not prepared to give up on Libya,” Clinton declared, probably doing herself few favors with the Bernie Sanders crowd. “I think we have to do more to invest in Libya.”

more...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-answers-to-the-left-on-maddow.html

[PatrickforO]

1. Hey, I have an idea!

How about we invest more in the American people?

1. Infrastructure
2. Health care
3. Early childhood education
4. Child nutrition
5. Subsidized child care
6. Strengthened UNCUT Social Security
7. Free college tuition at state schools

What? Oh. Sorry. I forgot. That's Bernie!

[reformist2]

48. Since when did sending weapons & troops start being called "investing"?? It's strange language.

[tularetom]

2. "We came, we saw, he died"

Kinda hard to walk that one back.

So she may as well double down on it. All the average voter will remember is how bad the republicans overplayed their hand on Benghazi.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended for murder, "investing" and stuff.

Thanks for the thread, Purveyor.

[JRLeft]

4. Her support of death shouldn't get in the way of becoming president.

[Uncle Joe]

5. O Death

[KoKo]

6. This is a side of Hillary that we should always keep in mind.

She can be charmingly deadly when caught off guard. And, some might feel this was inappropriate for a Secretary of State to have said. If it had been Condi Rice or Colin Powell the reaction might have been different.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Well Hillary did look poised and confidant in that video, even happy and most pundits would

give a win just for those reasons while ignoring the substance of the message.

I totally agree with you KoKo, if it had been Condi Rice or Colin Powell, D.U. and Democrats in general would be up in arms but when someone on "our team" reflects a blood thirsty nature, too many people just want to ignore or sweep it under the rug.

I have little doubt that if Hillary is elected, we will be at war with Iran for one reason or another, after all the Iranians are among the enemies that she is most proud of.

[KoKo]

17. My Caution is this:

A Snake can look "Very Friendly...Before it Strikes." It's what they do.

Not Dissing Hillary because Many Snakes have controlled Foreign Policy and managed to Remake Nations...but for those of us from the WWII Generation we URGE CAUTION with HILLARY.

Bernie is of the Generation Who Remembers more than Hillary.

Just saying......

[Uncle Joe]

21. I agree, just ask the democratically elected former President of Honduras.

Illegal immigration is a major issue today, with women and children even sneaking across our border and as this video illustrates, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's policy of supporting the military coup that ousted the democratically elected President of Honduras greatly contributed to this problem.

As with this military coup which was in large part a behest from our mega-corporations and oligarchs, any pretense that the U.S. is trying to install democracy abroad is just a sick joke.

[KoKo]

24. Yes...there's that and more that May or May Not come out in the coming days.......

But, we Dems have amazing ability to Cover Up what we can Push Onto Repugs..while Skating Clear of it all.

[Uncle Joe]

26. I have no doubt it will come out but the Republicans will wait until

if and when Hillary gets the nomination.

The way I see it, by bringing it out now, we are at best trying to keep the Democratic Party from making a major mistake in nominating Hillary and at worst should she get the nomination anyway, Hillary will be better prepared to deal with what the Republicans will surely bring against her, the committee hearing the other day was just a joke.

A ten hour televised fake professional wrestling episode, no matter which side you're rooting for, so long as you're rooting whether it be for the "good guys or the bad guys" and all of that based on your team while substance, decisions and policies take a back seat to poise and demeanor, the Deep State wins.

The result being more U. S. supported military coups installing autocratic regimes, more war, more chaos and instability all in service to the mega-conglomerates and oligarchs, at some point in time, these chickens will truly come home to roost in a devastating manner.

[Purveyor]

20. I'm all but certain that Russia will not sit idly by and allow

a western attack on Iran.

By 2017, Russia will be comfortably situated in the ME to put a halt to the western crusade for faux democracy.

[Uncle Joe]

23. I agree, Purveyor, it's a growing quagmire, even Tony Blair now recognizes this fact.

I'm Sorry : Blair Takes Blame For Iraq War And Admits conflict Caused The rise Of ISIS In Astonshing


Source: UK Daily Mail

Tony Blair has finally said sorry for the Iraq War – and admitted he could be partly to blame for the rise of Islamic State.
The extraordinary confession by the former Prime Minister comes after 12 years in which he refused to apologise for the conflict.
Blair makes his dramatic ‘mea culpa’ during a TV interview about the ‘hell’ caused by his and George Bush’s decision to oust Saddam Hussein.
Tony Blair, who has finally said sorry for the Iraq War during an interview on CNN, which is due to be broadcast today
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Tony Blair, who has finally said sorry for the Iraq War during an interview on CNN, which is due to be broadcast today
In the exchange, Blair repeatedly says sorry for his conduct and even refers to claims that the invasion was a war ‘crime’ – while denying he committed one.
Blair is asked bluntly in the CNN interview, to be broadcast today: ‘Was the Iraq War a mistake?’

He replies: ‘I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong.
‘I also apologise for some of the mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime.’
Challenged that the Iraq War was ‘the principal cause’ of the rise of Islamic State, he said: ‘I think there are elements of truth in that.
As well as apologising for the Iraq War, the former Prime Minister also admitted he could be partly to blame for the rise of Islamic State
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As well as apologising for the Iraq War, the former Prime Minister also admitted he could be partly to blame for the rise of Islamic State

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141242123

[KoKo]

41. Thanks for posting...I missed that.......

So he does a mea culpa ahead of the Chilcott Report release and yet the millions he's made since in his post Prime Minister adventures in the ME are still in his bank account.

He knows he will never be held accountable along with the Bush team. At least its out there, though. Maybe it will do some good in the future if it curbs the "Regime Change/Freedom and Democracy" invasions that have caused such chaos and suffering.

[Uncle Joe]

42. KoKo, have you seen this? The entire article is on the Moyers' link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016135221

http://billmoyers.com/2015/10/24/what-if-they-gave-a-war-and-everyone-came/

What If They Gave a War and Everyone Came?

What if the US had not invaded Iraq in 2003? How would things be different in the Middle East today? Was Iraq, in the words of presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, the “worst foreign policy blunder” in American history? Let’s take a big-picture tour of the Middle East and try to answer those questions. But first, a request: After each paragraph that follows, could you make sure to add the question “What could possibly go wrong?”

Let the History Begin

In March 2003, when the Bush administration launched its invasion of Iraq, the region, though simmering as ever, looked like this: Libya was stable, ruled by the same strongman for 42 years; in Egypt, Hosni Mubarak had been in power since 1983; Syria had been run by the Assad family since 1971; Saddam Hussein had essentially been in charge of Iraq since 1969, formally becoming president in 1979; the Turks and Kurds had an uneasy but functional ceasefire; and Yemen was quiet enough, other than the terror attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Relations between the US and most of these nations were so warm that Washington was routinely rendering “terrorists” to their dungeons for some outsourced torture.

Soon after March 2003, when US troops invaded Iraq, neighboring Iran faced two American armies at the peak of their strength. To the east, the US military had effectively destroyed the Taliban and significantly weakened al-Qaeda, both enemies of Iran, but had replaced them as an occupying force. To the west, Iran’s decades-old enemy, Saddam, was gone, but similarly replaced by another massive occupying force. From this position of weakness, Iran’s leaders, no doubt terrified that the Americans would pour across its borders, sought real diplomatic rapprochement with Washington for the first time since 1979. The Iranian efforts were rebuffed by the Bush administration.

The Precipitating Event

Nailing down causation is a tricky thing. But like the June 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand that kicked off the Great War, the one to end all others, America’s 2003 invasion was what novelists refer to as “the precipitating event,” the thing that may not actively cause every plot twist to come, but that certainly sets them in motion.

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[Purveyor]

43. Kick. Thank you for posting. eom

[JRLeft]

15. Remember her buddy is Mr. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran.

[KoKo]

25. We are told she can Work Very Well with these Opposing Dems to

"Move Policy Forward."

Question Is: WHAT POLICY does Hillary/Bill WANT to move FORWARD?

Is that Policy the Best for the U.S.A? Or is it War ....War...And, More War?

[JRLeft]

27. Hillary and Bill are members of the Carlyle Group.

[KoKo]

29. and...much more..which will be revealed?

if our MSM takes a Turn to Investigative Reporting?

[JRLeft]

30. I wouldn't be surprised if there investors of prisons.

[hifiguy]

7. War then, war now, war forever.

Can't let peace cut into those big juicy profits, can we?

[restorefreedom]

9. holy crap, are people listening?

WAR IS COMING, FOLKS

unless we vote for another way

[KoKo]

10. Yes...Involved Dems who Read "Other News Sources" are involved....but...

Mainstream America?

Sadly, they are involved in what they get from the Mainstream Media interfused with Multiple Drug Ad and Other Ads they have to survive through to get ANY NEWS that between the "Celebrity Click Bait Porn" and the rest they get THINK TANK OPS putting out Disinfo.

It IS....What It Is.....Unless the People Change This!

[restorefreedom]

12. we should take out ads in msm

telling people not to watch msm

[KoKo]

31. But there are times (like now) when we need to see what they are up to?

I have Basic Cable I've kept.

All the rest of my news ...International....comes from Alternate Boxes I have hooked up. And, even then with my reduced ATT/Dial Up....I get "Buffered" so it's very hard to watch.

I keep the Basic to see what the Evil Ones do on MSNBC/CNN and they are noticing their falling off of Audience for their STUFF....so occasionally they "seem" to try to report "alternate views" ........

It's Still Not Enough...but losing their Subscribers...One Day WILL make a difference.

Until then we Polital Addicts try to cycle through venues we can access...and it "Ain't Easy!"

[restorefreedom]

35. i do peek from time to time

to see what they are up to, even fox

[artislife]

11. Is it any wonder

That we haven't won "the war on terror". Mainly because we are the biggest terror on the planet.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. "I think we have to do more to invest in Libya." And if we invest in Libya just how are we going to

invest in the US? NO MORE WAR DAMN IT! We need to invest money here in the US into single payer health care, education, SS, WIC, food stamps, and other US programs. I'm sick and tired of hearing how we don't have the money to help our own citizens and yet we have unlimited money to pay for war. NO MORE WAR!

[JRLeft]

16. She will in Wall Street. That won't help you or I but Wall Street resides in the US.

buy NYSE in $10B dealExecs take pains to describe controversial Deutsche Börse and New York Stock Exchange combo as “merger of equals.” But facts are facts: The Germans will own 60% of the new entity.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20110215/FREE/110219927/its-official-germans-buy-nyse-in-10b-deal

Oops never mind.

[Krytan11c]

18. More of the same

More of the same from Madam Secretary. At this point none of us should be surprised.

Also very interesting that some people seem to be ignoring this thread.

[KoKo]

19. Du'er "Octafish" had this in a Post:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/10/book-review-devils-chessboard-david-talbot

[sadoldgirl]

22. I suppose that she had to say something like this.

Just like the Bush family can never admit to the fatal
mistakes with the attack on Iraq, she cannot in any
way to admit to a failure in Libya. The sad part is
that she still insists on a no-fly zone in Syria inspite
of the Russian take over.

To her the American Empire is more important than
a Pax con America.

[KoKo]

32. She OWNS part of the Libya Invasion!

In her Testimony to the RW "Clown Car" this week she tried to push off Libya and Killing Gadaffi was NOT HER CALL...but that it went up to OBAMA.

Nothing is EVER ...HER Responsiblity!

All we need to know is that as a Secretary of State of the USA she Laughed about Gaddafi ..his killing and anal rape and humiliation of his body as:

"We Came....We Saw....He Died...with a cackling Chuckle in an interview with CBS News. The Video has been posted Many Times here on DU.

[WillyT]

28. She Supports The MIC... Hell... She's Part Of The MIC...

We Dems had to prove that we could be just as... "tough"... as the Republicans to be electable.

Just watched a local news show that stated...

"Joshua Wheeler became the first death since the U.S. withdrew from Iraq."

Just let that thought sink in for a moment.

We don't leave... we NEVER leave.

[KoKo]

33. MIC WEB...has had Decades in the Making...and Once you are IN

you Never Get Out...if you are an Up and Coming Power Politico...

Even if your are Honest when You Start....you will end up Rotten to the Core when you leave......

A few really good hearted people manage to survive and try to write books and appear where they can...Yet...they are ALWAYS Marginalized. Sadly, Hillary (who knows so much about the corrupted system) is NOT a Whistleblower in this Candidacy.

[99Forever]

34. Why give up when there are so many sales potentials...

... for your pals in the MIC, eh Hill?

[leveymg]

36. Once she's President, it's over. Her war is with Russia.

[Purveyor]

37. It will take until around 2019 before it gets dire so we

we have 4 years or so left to enjoy planet earth...

We are failures, this human race.

[leveymg]

39. It's amazing we survived the '50s and the '80s.

Will we be so lucky again? Have we earned it?

[beam me up scottie]

38. Why are you people trying to discuss important issues?

Katy Perry played for Hillary today and she looked fabulous!

[riderinthestorm]

40. This is a sobering and distressing point

Hillary Clinton's apparent plan to continue US involvement with Libya etc are a serious and major problem for me.

Probably the deal breaker honestly.

[Purveyor]

44. It should be a major problem for everybody. The only reason our economy is keeping its head above

water is due to the extra spending power the lower middle class is enjoying due to lower oil prices.

A major conflict in the ME, i.e. attack on Iran, will send prices through the roof and put this country back into recession. You thought 2008 was bad, hang on as the FED's have no resources to prevent a major financial system collapse other than printing more faux dollars.

Yes, that is what we have to look forward to. Prepare accordingly.

[riderinthestorm]

45. Yes, this maybe the stumbling block I can't get over with Hillary nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

46. Clinton's belligerent foreign policy record and positions are a serious deal-killer for me.

Heck, I don't even see anyone showing up to defend her on this.

[Purveyor]

47. They won't because they can't. I don't know what the hell I'll do if she is our nominee. eom