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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:44 AM Oct 2015

You are not normal

This is the title of one of the standard joint sessions at Camp Wellstone events. There are three tracks—one for issue organizing, one for people working on campaigns and one for candidates. There are also joint sessions at the start and end of the weekends. (For more info, check here:
http://www.wellstone.org/programs/camp-wellstone )

The trainer starts out by asking people who watches C-SPAN, televised city council or school board meetings, even sessions of the British Parliament. Quite a few hands always go up, even for the Brits (apparently backbenchers across the pond can be really amusing). The Seattle camp is held at Seattle Pacific University, directly across from Fremont, where the annual Fremont solstice parade features nude bikers. In recent years, the cops have stopped even trying to arrest them. http://www.solsticecyclist.org/

The trainer then gives statistics as to the very low viewership of the programs mentioned among the general population, and that particular year when the camp was held solstice weekend, said “You all are here under fluorescent lights during the longest day of the year discussing political strategy. All the normal people are on the other side of that bridge looking for naked bikers. You are not normal!” The entire point of Camp Wellstone is to teach serious policy junkies how to talk to the normal majority. Normal people aren't stupid—they are just not particularly interested in public policy or politics.

The common assumption that everyone else is a political junkie just like we are is a pretty good explanation for some of the idiocy we see in GD-P—like frinstance the utter nonsense about Stockholm Syndrome. The underlying assumption of the OP was that most AA voters know all about Clinton ‘s support of the death penalty (with 42% of the people on death row being AA), the effect of welfare “reform” on poor families of all colors, the massive increase in the heavily minority prison population in the 90s due to the War on Some Drugs, and the nasty racist dogwhistles that Clinton used against Obama in 2007-2008—and they still support her anyway. Guess what? They mostly don’t know about or remember any of that. Neither do most white, Latino or Asian voters. Because most people are not policy wonks or political junkies, regardless of race, creed, color, gender, sexual orientation or geographic area.

The Wellstone organizers realize that the assumption that most people care about policy seriously trips up many activists, and are taking concrete steps to fight the tendency. All three tracks are mostly about how political junkies can most effectively talk to normal people, and how to set time frames for checking on how well we have succeeded. When discussing various voter demographics here, we should all remember that as well.

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. "Unusual" and "abnormal" are not synonyms.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:16 AM
Oct 2015

Most people are not billionaires, either, but that does not mean billionaires are abnormal, only unusual.

I know, I know. Call the thesaurus police.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. I've always been tempted by those camps, but never had the time and money.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:28 AM
Oct 2015

I kinda wish they'd they'd have the newer online versions available all year round, rather than just at set times.

ms liberty

(8,607 posts)
3. Very true...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 07:55 AM
Oct 2015

Most of America barely knows we're in the Primary season or who the contenders are at this point. Good post - thanks!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. I don't want to be that kind of "activist".
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:10 AM
Oct 2015

The one with an agenda when talking politics with people, trying to manipulate - "analyzing" them and looking for ways to manipulate/influence them.

If I fuck up when trying to discuss some issue on DU or elsewhere, I want the fuckup to at least be an honest one.

ion_theory

(235 posts)
8. I see exactly what you mean here...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

At times I feel I'm manipulating someone during a political discussion. For instance, I will purposely lead a convo a certain way so I can anticipate the person's argument and give the best argument against it. Almost like the convo. already happened in my head and I'm just going through the motions. To me, this is being more manipulative than analyzing a person to convince them otherwise. Analyzing is just good debate tactics. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, but I don't think reading a person to identify the best way to get your point across is wrong. It's just how convincing works.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
12. If you are going to win a political campaign, you need to convince voters to vote for--
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:07 AM
Oct 2015

--your candidate. You don't do doorbelling or phonebanking to have wide-ranging conversations with people you don't know personally.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
7. a mostly sound argument
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:23 AM
Oct 2015

...up until the point where you make Hillary the architect of welfare reform and provide your own judgment of their views on the rest. It comes off as just a shade more fair than the posts you're criticizing.

What I'd say about Hillary supporters is they don't appear to share your view of her politics or record. That's something which has been a blind side for folks who will need those voters for their own candidate if they expect to win the nomination. Calling them ignorant (as this take still manages to do) isn't a very good start.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. Clinton has publicly stated her approval for welfare "reform"
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:03 AM
Oct 2015

Obviously she was not its architect.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
11. No--mostly people are not interested in politics or policy
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:03 AM
Oct 2015

Camp Wellstone attendees (and DUers) are. This makes us not normal.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. "All the normal people are on the other side of that bridge looking for naked bikers"?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:51 AM
Oct 2015

Wow..."normal" has changed a bit.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
14. It's a big highlight of Seattle's summer festival scene
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:07 AM
Oct 2015

Some of the same bikers do the pride parade on the following weekend as well.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
16. almost sounded like an insult to me and a misinformed one at that. Many of the
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015

people that participate in those kinds of activities such as the Solstice Festival and Pride Parade in Seattle are in fact very liberal and participate in protests and support local politics and get people like Kshama Sawant who is the first Socialist citycounciperson in Seattle elected.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
17. Even well informed people are not generally policy junkies
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:30 AM
Oct 2015

Doing your homework before voting isn't really the same thing.

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