2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton is a brilliant super-qualified PROGRESSIVE candidate who will most likely win.
She is brilliant. She is progressive. She is HIGHLY qualified. She will most likely be the nominee.
Both Sanders and Clinton had a good debate night. Both are to be congratulated. The SCIENTIFIC polling shows Hillary Clinton WON and by a LOT. Not to say Sanders didn't do well. Again, he did. But on the whole she won the debate with a SPOT ON performance.
Bernie Sanders is a good man who won't win because a self-declared socialist CAN NOT WIN the general election. It defies ANY understanding of this nation's political culture to think otherwise. Denmark is a nice place, but we sure as all hell ain't Denmark.
I like Bernie. I give him huge credit. I applaud his candidacy. But he can't win and won't win the nomination let alone the general election because his ideology is simply is TOO far to the left.
Hillary is progressive, is WAY ahead in the primary race polls nationally, and is back even or now ahead in New Hampshire. The stakes are high. The REPUBLICANS are the target. Just imagine a nut like Trump in the White House, or ANY of those CLOWNS.
Hillary will win the nomination. She can beat ANY of the Republican CLOWNS. And Bernie would be great as Secretary of Labor or HUD.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I suggest you chill out. Surely these constant rants aren't good for your blood pressure.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)you'll sleep better.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Thanks for playing...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)All caps doesn't make it so.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Really.
yourout
(7,534 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)yes she is fairly progressive on a few issues but she will mostly return to her centrist ways if elected.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
NervousGuy
(26 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)because she can't seem to make up her mind.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)There's no hope until the Party rids itself of these faux Dems.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)takes a back seat to no one when it comes to being a progressive? When just last week, the talking point was that their platforms are essentially the same?
jfern
(5,204 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in exactly the same way that I am fully capable of flapping my arms and flying to the moon.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Tell them
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)"Ya know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center. I plead guilty."
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Her latest declaration is that she is center and moderate.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."
I expect her to maintain her her position to the right of Obama.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)because Michaud would win. meh.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Either way Wall Street has covered its bets and we lose.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)12-20,000+ person 'super-rallies.'
Oh, wait. That's Ralph Nader in 2000.
Never mind.
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JRLeft
(7,010 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)what you are smoking, please.?
It has sent you up into the clouds obviously.
Man, and I can buy pot in my state, but that
would never give me that kind of a trip!
MFM008
(19,823 posts)cannot win the purple states. period. If you think we can win without Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, or Colorado guess again. Frankly I dont like any of the cantidates, Im sick of OLD white guys. Biden and Sanders will be 74 at election time. Hillarys to old for my taste when there are so many young and vibrant democrats
. However, Im older and want to see a woman presdient. If Merkle can run Europe, Clinton can run the USA.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)The poor Angela is i a lot of trouble and may not make
it through the next election. You are aware, of course,
that she is not president and is totally dependent not
only on her party, but the Social Democrats as well.
Oh dear, did I dare to mention The Social Democratic
Party?! What a crime!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I'd like to see a woman President too. Elizabeth Warren? In a second. Hillary, not so much. Because I know she is not going to take care of my interests anymore than I would now expect Bill Clinton to do so.
Bernie? Yes, he speaks my language on just about anything.
Can he win? Of course he can. If enough people support him. And, if you haven't noticed, his support has grown mightily since he first began. Not only that, but there's lots of available evidence that Republicans everywhere are seriously considering his candidacy in a way that I can't even imagine them doing the same for Hillary.
Second step, get better known. That's why more debates.
Why we would try to shut down debates, give away free publicity, give away the chance to test our candidates, for everyone to know more precisely where they stand? No, the only reason fewer debates make sense if it you'd like to protect the better known frontrunner, who happens to be Hillary.
And finally, if you are for Hillary mostly or just because she is a woman, who is actually hurting our chances to win the next election?
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)doesn't belong to them and make it their own. If we on the left called ourselves purpledeepinkyellowbloobies, they too would in the next couple years become purpledeepinkyellowbloobies.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
longship
(40,416 posts)Unfortunately, so does Bernie.
So what does either candidate have?
My take is that we should all take in everything the candidates have to offer and make our decision based on that.
Note: I listen to positive arguments more than negative ones.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)No DLC/THIRD WAY is NOT Progressive. It's RIGHT OF CENTER.
Just because she says she's Progressive, doesn't mean she is.
Progressives do not support:
Fracking - The Hillary does
The TPP - The Hillary does
Corporations raping our country by not paying taxes - The Hillary does
Prisons for Profits - The Hillary does + takes money from them
Wall St. Greedy thieves who stole $12.8 TRILLION from tax payers - The Hillary does. Her BFFs are Wall St. Thieves
NAFTA and CAFTA - The Hillary does
Punishing Whistleblowers - The Hillary does
Glass-Stegall being repealed - The Hillary does
There's more, but that's more than enough to prove my point. The Hillary is Right if Center, not a Progressive.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
840high
(17,196 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Bernie and support Hillary
Amazing!
One post made me change my mind.
(Insert eye roll)
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Screeds like this only enforce how scared Clinton and her supports truly are of Bernie.