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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:34 PM Aug 2012

Paul Ryan sold his stock BEFORE the 7 pm bailout meeting -- but this doesn't let him off the hook.

The meeting was about the bailout, which the head of Treasury and the Federal Reserve came to urge Congress to carry out. And the stock markets reacted positively to this development -- more people were buying than selling late Thursday afternoon:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/business/19fed.html?pagewanted=all

"Rumors about the Bush administration’s new stance swept through the stock markets Thursday afternoon. By the end of trading, the Dow Jones industrial average shot up 617 points from its low point in midafternoon, the biggest surge in six years, and ended the day with a gain of 410 points or 3.9 percent."

So why did Paul Ryan sell, when more people were buying? Maybe because of what he was hearing in OTHER meetings that day -- meetings with REPUBLICAN leaders who opposed the bailout. Eventually, they lost -- and so did Ryan, on his stock bets that day.

"But whether a legislative consensus could be found remained an open question, and members of Mr. Bush’s own party were among those who were most critical of the increasing federal intervention in private markets.

"At the meeting Thursday night, where officials said the atmosphere was tense, Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, was notably skeptical.

SNIP

"Earlier in the day, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, had expressed similar wariness about the risk to taxpayers’ funds. And Representative Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who heads a coalition of House conservatives, was circulating a letter to the administration demanding that it not engage in any further bailouts."


So he likely sold his stock out of concern that the market would crash because a bailout would NOT occur -- a concern that came out of his meetings with Republican members of Congress that day, rather than from the 7 pm meeting with the Administration officials.

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Paul Ryan sold his stock BEFORE the 7 pm bailout meeting -- but this doesn't let him off the hook. (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2012 OP
k&r hedgehog Aug 2012 #1
so he sold stock with insider info AND on our time !! n/t pkdu Aug 2012 #2
If anyone else did this they would be in jail. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #3
Even if you lose $$? Marcia Brady Aug 2012 #4
If you trust the wrong people you can still lose on insider trading. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #8
Yes. Whether you make money or not, insider trading is against the law. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #11
Don't know if this is true or not Marcia Brady Aug 2012 #12
They were until recently. They finally passed a bill that was supposed to stop the practice. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #13
So, was the bill before or after Ryan's shenanigans? n/t Marcia Brady Aug 2012 #15
After them...well after them in fact... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #17
It Would Be Interesting To Track Other Buys & Sells Of Repugs That Day.... global1 Aug 2012 #5
If Ryan went down, then so would Geithner. He truedelphi Aug 2012 #6
Do you have a link about stock sales of Geithners? pnwmom Aug 2012 #7
That isn't the point. truedelphi Aug 2012 #19
Kick bleever Aug 2012 #9
Thanks! pnwmom Aug 2012 #10
Interesting info . . . Marcia Brady Aug 2012 #14
of course not. Lets get him under oath and answer questions. grantcart Aug 2012 #16
Good idea. As long as the people questioning him didn't do the same thing. pnwmom Aug 2012 #18

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. If anyone else did this they would be in jail.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

But, not Repuglicans in public office. Well I expect no less from these people. They are attracted to doing the wrong thing always. They love their Mittens who has done things they would land most people in jail as well. Everything from animal abuse to questionable if not downright illegal business practices.

Marcia Brady

(108 posts)
12. Don't know if this is true or not
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:05 PM
Aug 2012

but my dh just said that Senators and Reps are exempted from insider trading laws. I'm going to do a little Googling to find out more.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
13. They were until recently. They finally passed a bill that was supposed to stop the practice.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

..but it had more holes in it than a sieve...

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
17. After them...well after them in fact...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:34 PM
Aug 2012

...so whilst it was highly unethical, and only available to members of congress, the bastard didn't break any laws..

global1

(25,266 posts)
5. It Would Be Interesting To Track Other Buys & Sells Of Repugs That Day....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:52 PM
Aug 2012

who else was in the meeting that Ryan was in? Let's see what they sold or bought.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
6. If Ryan went down, then so would Geithner. He
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:55 PM
Aug 2012

headed the New York Federal Reserve at the time all this was happening. He helped decide which firms were allowed to survive and which didn't. He got to distribute the funds from the Fed Reserve to his favored people at AIG and Goldman Sachs.

There were some very shady happenings occurring that involved Little Timmy's behaviors.

We can't pull down Ryan about his behaviors until Obama is willing to sack Geithner. (And since Obama looks like he is working for Geithner, rather than the other way around, I am not holding my breath.)

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
19. That isn't the point.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:46 PM
Aug 2012

Although crimes may be charged to the getaway driver, more serious penalties should apply to those who plan the robbery. And a person like Geithner can be charged retroactively with impeachment.

Tim Geithner might not be guilty of the major crime of selling
stock etc right before a company where he worked was to apply for TARP.

After all, he wasn't working for a company.

He was holding office as the head of the New York Federal Reserve. As that top executive over our economic system, he was one of maybe three other people who structured the entire Bailout System. And he somehow managed to look the other way as to the complicity of the Top Executives, and their various economic strategies in this matter.

He somehow managed to bring two Presidents to concur that what was needed was a catastrophic premise on which our nation as a whole has based its current economic policies. Which is why we remain only one hiccup away from the type of crisis facing Spain Greece, Portugal et al.

When we as a nation could have done what Iceland did.

When a person examines the Too Big To Fail policies, one sees that the wealth of the Middle Incomed and Main Street has been transferred over to Wall Street. Currently some 49 cents out of every dollar of profit in this nation is now inside the structure s of companies that are the Top Financial Firms in the world. (This figure is up from 8 cents of every dollar of profit going to banks and financial firms back in the late seventies.)

This is indeed a crime, and maybe it is true that TODAY belongs to those officials, like Geithner, who have pulled the wool over the eyes of some of the American Public. But TOMORROW belongs to those of us who understand what an absolute travesty these economic failures are.

Marcia Brady

(108 posts)
14. Interesting info . . .
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 05:10 PM
Aug 2012

Slimy as it seems, it's perfectly legal!!

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/congress_insider_trading_los_angeles.php

For anyone else, insider trading is illegal. But Washington's elite have simultaneously avoided passing any laws to hold themselves accountable.


http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/18/insider-trading-congress/

FORTUNE -- Last Sunday a 60-Minutes report threw a welcome spotlight on a preposterous, long-standing situation that virtually no one openly defends: the fact that, as a practical matter, U.S. Senators and members of the U.S. House of Representatives can -- and do -- trade stocks on inside information that they obtain through performing their legislative work.
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