2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPaul Ryan sold his stock BEFORE the 7 pm bailout meeting -- but this doesn't let him off the hook.
The meeting was about the bailout, which the head of Treasury and the Federal Reserve came to urge Congress to carry out. And the stock markets reacted positively to this development -- more people were buying than selling late Thursday afternoon:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/business/19fed.html?pagewanted=all
"Rumors about the Bush administrations new stance swept through the stock markets Thursday afternoon. By the end of trading, the Dow Jones industrial average shot up 617 points from its low point in midafternoon, the biggest surge in six years, and ended the day with a gain of 410 points or 3.9 percent."
So why did Paul Ryan sell, when more people were buying? Maybe because of what he was hearing in OTHER meetings that day -- meetings with REPUBLICAN leaders who opposed the bailout. Eventually, they lost -- and so did Ryan, on his stock bets that day.
"But whether a legislative consensus could be found remained an open question, and members of Mr. Bushs own party were among those who were most critical of the increasing federal intervention in private markets.
"At the meeting Thursday night, where officials said the atmosphere was tense, Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, was notably skeptical.
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"Earlier in the day, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, had expressed similar wariness about the risk to taxpayers funds. And Representative Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who heads a coalition of House conservatives, was circulating a letter to the administration demanding that it not engage in any further bailouts."
So he likely sold his stock out of concern that the market would crash because a bailout would NOT occur -- a concern that came out of his meetings with Republican members of Congress that day, rather than from the 7 pm meeting with the Administration officials.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, not Repuglicans in public office. Well I expect no less from these people. They are attracted to doing the wrong thing always. They love their Mittens who has done things they would land most people in jail as well. Everything from animal abuse to questionable if not downright illegal business practices.
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)Insider trading is supposed to give you an advantage.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)but my dh just said that Senators and Reps are exempted from insider trading laws. I'm going to do a little Googling to find out more.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..but it had more holes in it than a sieve...
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...so whilst it was highly unethical, and only available to members of congress, the bastard didn't break any laws..
global1
(25,266 posts)who else was in the meeting that Ryan was in? Let's see what they sold or bought.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)headed the New York Federal Reserve at the time all this was happening. He helped decide which firms were allowed to survive and which didn't. He got to distribute the funds from the Fed Reserve to his favored people at AIG and Goldman Sachs.
There were some very shady happenings occurring that involved Little Timmy's behaviors.
We can't pull down Ryan about his behaviors until Obama is willing to sack Geithner. (And since Obama looks like he is working for Geithner, rather than the other way around, I am not holding my breath.)
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Although crimes may be charged to the getaway driver, more serious penalties should apply to those who plan the robbery. And a person like Geithner can be charged retroactively with impeachment.
Tim Geithner might not be guilty of the major crime of selling
stock etc right before a company where he worked was to apply for TARP.
After all, he wasn't working for a company.
He was holding office as the head of the New York Federal Reserve. As that top executive over our economic system, he was one of maybe three other people who structured the entire Bailout System. And he somehow managed to look the other way as to the complicity of the Top Executives, and their various economic strategies in this matter.
He somehow managed to bring two Presidents to concur that what was needed was a catastrophic premise on which our nation as a whole has based its current economic policies. Which is why we remain only one hiccup away from the type of crisis facing Spain Greece, Portugal et al.
When we as a nation could have done what Iceland did.
When a person examines the Too Big To Fail policies, one sees that the wealth of the Middle Incomed and Main Street has been transferred over to Wall Street. Currently some 49 cents out of every dollar of profit in this nation is now inside the structure s of companies that are the Top Financial Firms in the world. (This figure is up from 8 cents of every dollar of profit going to banks and financial firms back in the late seventies.)
This is indeed a crime, and maybe it is true that TODAY belongs to those officials, like Geithner, who have pulled the wool over the eyes of some of the American Public. But TOMORROW belongs to those of us who understand what an absolute travesty these economic failures are.
Marcia Brady
(108 posts)Slimy as it seems, it's perfectly legal!!
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/congress_insider_trading_los_angeles.php
For anyone else, insider trading is illegal. But Washington's elite have simultaneously avoided passing any laws to hold themselves accountable.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/18/insider-trading-congress/
FORTUNE -- Last Sunday a 60-Minutes report threw a welcome spotlight on a preposterous, long-standing situation that virtually no one openly defends: the fact that, as a practical matter, U.S. Senators and members of the U.S. House of Representatives can -- and do -- trade stocks on inside information that they obtain through performing their legislative work.