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CNN Debate (Original Post) kpete Oct 2015 OP
Kinda nasty there, Hillary has been working her life for the less fortunate and now she is willing Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #1
I like them both kpete Oct 2015 #2
I used to feel that way about the two candidates but no more. ladjf Oct 2015 #3
Like the $18,000 donation to defeat one's opponent? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #5
I'm not familiar with the $18,000 donation incident. ladjf Oct 2015 #8
The NRA donated money to defeat Sanders opponent, he rewarded the NRA by voting like the NRA wanted. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #9
I've studied that event from 1990 and on the surface, ladjf Oct 2015 #12
Well Done! bvar22 Oct 2015 #15
Thanks. Your sentence about facts throwing water on ladjf Oct 2015 #17
As I stated, NRA donated money to help defeat Sanders opponent, it wasn't donated to Sanders. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #16
Now that you mentioned it, I recall that Bernie , during the debate, said that ladjf Oct 2015 #18
No, the NRA SPENT money to help defeat Sanders opponent. Mostly for postage for a mailing and for merrily Oct 2015 #30
I've asked Thinkingabout for a link. It is my understanding that the NRA did NOT donate money to merrily Oct 2015 #21
I found this on the INTERNET tonight. ladjf Oct 2015 #28
Thank you. merrily Oct 2015 #33
Where did I post the money was donated to Sanders? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #31
It's what anyone would take away from Reply 5. Your use of "donated" is misleading and wrong. merrily Oct 2015 #32
No, it was not misleading and wrong, I stated a fact. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #37
You did not state that in Reply 5 and AGAIN, spending money does equal donating money. merrily Oct 2015 #38
LINK please. merrily Oct 2015 #20
Maybe move the media to Bernie's side, he spends lots of time on talk shows. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #4
LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #22
That's why she worked so hard to get the draconian, poverty inducing Welrare Reform Bill passed. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #34
As long as they don't live in Iraq or Libya n/t eridani Oct 2015 #36
You build your connections or you burn your bridges...it matters in the long run. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #6
Bernie won the debate, there is no longer any question about that. By every measure, including the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #35
Same script, different cast rocktivity Oct 2015 #7
Yep Go Vols Oct 2015 #10
Follow the money. tecelote Oct 2015 #11
Ditto. SoapBox Oct 2015 #13
Yup. Bought and paid for. tecelote Oct 2015 #14
"I went to Wall St. and told them to cut it out!" Plucketeer Oct 2015 #29
Thank you Kpete! marym625 Oct 2015 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #23
Add DWS zentrum Oct 2015 #24
Voters have validated the claim that she won the debate with recent polls StrongBad Oct 2015 #25
KNR!!!! n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #26
Why is everyone forgetting what Hillary did the summer of 2014? DrBulldog Oct 2015 #27

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Kinda nasty there, Hillary has been working her life for the less fortunate and now she is willing
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:14 PM
Oct 2015

To work even more.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
3. I used to feel that way about the two candidates but no more.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

I believe that one can be bought with money but the other can't.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. The NRA donated money to defeat Sanders opponent, he rewarded the NRA by voting like the NRA wanted.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
12. I've studied that event from 1990 and on the surface,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:46 PM
Oct 2015

it might indicate that Bernie is opposed to gun control. Note that although he might have benefited from the negative publicity of his opponent, he didn't receive any funds. His current grade from NRA is F. I don't agree with you that the NRA's support of Bernie's opponent raises him to the level of "crook". There is no evidence that he had any influence on the NRA at that point.

Thanks for bringing it up. I profited from the research.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
17. Thanks. Your sentence about facts throwing water on
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

innuendo, actually directly applies to the basic rules of objective thinking and is at the heart of all scientific practice.

Scientists ask "Do facts support a theory?" If not, the theory needs work.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. As I stated, NRA donated money to help defeat Sanders opponent, it wasn't donated to Sanders.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders I'd claiming a D rating from the NRA, dont know where the F rating came started. Where did you arrive at the "crook" accusation, dont think I would promote that one. On the other hand, Bernie did vote against the Brady Bill ergo creating a big problem for me.

Glad to hear you have researched and know Bernie's record.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
18. Now that you mentioned it, I recall that Bernie , during the debate, said that
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:19 PM
Oct 2015

he had a "D" rating from the NRA. I wasn't sure whether he said "D" or "B". I looked it up tonight researching my response to you and found the "F" grade in a couple of place, but didn't think to check the dates of that grade.

About the "crook" accusation: that came from my original post when I said that "the other couldn't be bought with money". To me, that was the equivalent of "crook". I wasn't accusing you of calling anyone a "crook".

I was aware that Bernie voted against the Brady Bill and I disagree with this position although I've never heard his comments about it one way or the other. In any event, I wouldn't stop supporting him over that particular move.


merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. No, the NRA SPENT money to help defeat Sanders opponent. Mostly for postage for a mailing and for
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

bumper stickers saying "Dump Smith."

The F rating "started" because Sanders has been rated F by the NRA each year for most years of his Congressional career. However, his most recent rating from the NRA was D-.

The bit about Bernie's vote on the Brady Bill creating a big problem for you is a joke. You have a big problem with anybody but Hillary, no matter what.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. I've asked Thinkingabout for a link. It is my understanding that the NRA did NOT donate money to
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:49 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie, but rather spent money to endorse Bernie because the NRA was ticked off at his Republican opponent for changing positions. I do not think Bernie has ever been offered, or accepted, a donation from the NRA. However, perhaps Thinkingabout can prove me wrong with a link. We'll see. Until then, it's just an unsupported claim by Thinkingabout.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
28. I found this on the INTERNET tonight.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:22 PM
Oct 2015

"The NRA spent $18,000 to unseat Smith that year, including printing bumper stickers that said “Dump Peter Smith.” The money wasn’t spent on Sanders’ behalf, but he ended up being the main beneficiary."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-second-amendment-socialist/#ixzz3omADy4DP

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. It's what anyone would take away from Reply 5. Your use of "donated" is misleading and wrong.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:11 PM
Oct 2015

Money that the NRA SPENT to defeat Smith was not "donated" to anyone.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
37. No, it was not misleading and wrong, I stated a fact.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
Oct 2015

This is what I stated:

" Like the $18,000 donation to defeat one's opponent?"

"As I stated, NRA donated money to help defeat Sanders opponent, it wasn't donated to Sanders."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. You did not state that in Reply 5 and AGAIN, spending money does equal donating money.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

I asked you to provide a link to show a donation. You have not, yet you continue to use that word. So, yes, once again, your Reply 5 was misleading, and your use of "donation" is plain wrong.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. That's why she worked so hard to get the draconian, poverty inducing Welrare Reform Bill passed.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:17 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie has actually worked his entire life for Civil Rights and for the less fortunate and as a legislator, was more successful than most in getting good amendments passed. Hillary's record in the Senate was pathetic by comparison.

Veterans et, have given Sanders their highest award for his work on their behalf.

Hillary can't stop telling the poor they need to be 'responsible' and how we 'can't enable their dependency'. So wonderful, coming from a very privileged white woman whose college tuition was paid for by her parents.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. You build your connections or you burn your bridges...it matters in the long run.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:28 PM
Oct 2015

Not to mention Clinton simply won the debate, objectively, as Romney did in one debate I recall.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Bernie won the debate, there is no longer any question about that. By every measure, including the
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

huge amount of small donations he received, not to mention the tens of thousands of new followers on Social Media, he wiped the floor in that debate.

I take it you are referring the Corporate Media's pathetic attempt to change the facts, by deleting their own polls, shutting down other independent media, deleting comments supportive of the WINNER. They are the ONLY entities claiming he was not the winner.

Now they are suffering from the backlash and making some moves to try to regain some credibility. But it's too late.

They are viewed now pretty widely, as part of the Clinton Campaign. Therefore not credible as unbiased arbiters of who did or did not win a debate.

The Old Media is the past. The New Media is far more powerful now. They seem puzzled as to why all their dirty tricks are not effective anymore. That's good, let them remain in the last century.

Meantime the world moves forward leaving them where they belong, in the past.

I see even the DNC is getting nervous as a result of the power of the people they have not seen until now.

Finally acknowledging that their attempts to ignore the people and the people's candidate have only cause a total distrust of them and their candidate.

There are more of us than there are of them, and CNN and the rest of the Corporate tools who tried to claim victory for a candidate who didn't just LOSE that debate, she was literally hardly even a factor with those who count the VOTERS.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
11. Follow the money.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oct 2015

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

The corporate media and the oligarchy think Hillary won.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. Add DWS
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:53 PM
Oct 2015

….and her DNC to the pile under Clinton.

Call Wasserman-Schultz and demand more debates so that the Democratic message is broadcast and we also get the free advertising that debates provide. Just like the Republicans have been king for months.

Her number at the DNC is: 202863-800

 

StrongBad

(2,100 posts)
25. Voters have validated the claim that she won the debate with recent polls
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:54 PM
Oct 2015

Unless you are saying dems that intend to vote for her are mindless CNN obeying drones?

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
27. Why is everyone forgetting what Hillary did the summer of 2014?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

She delivered a series of lectures in Canada for the nation's energy industry and got paid $1.6 million for it.

Why is that not upsetting to Americans?

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