Here is why I know Sanders won tonight's debate, regardless of any pund-idiocy.

[mhatrw]

I honestly could not tell whether Hillary Clinton was more neocon-lite or more Bernie Sanders-lite.

And that's true progress, by any measure, as far as I am concerned.

More importantly, this is the whole problem with "the third way" as I see it.

If you compromise your ideals before it is absolutely necessary to do so, just to supposedly appeal to the widest focus group of low information voters, you end up with the complete mess our great nation currently faces.

[marym625]

1. K&R!

[Snotcicles]

21. Antonio Porchia: from Voces (1943)

Sometimes what I want and what I don’t want make so many concessions to each other that they end up looking alike.

[marym625]

22. great quote! Thank you for sharing it. eom

[uponit7771]

2. The right dislikes and doesn't trust Clinton at all

[world wide wally]

7. She must have something going for her then

[mhatrw]

12. Who in his or her right mind would trust Clinton?

[uponit7771]

13. Democrats do

[ccinamon]

15. not all Democrats....

I don't trust her. She changes her stances....first she is a progressive, then a moderate, and as of last night, a progressive again. And this is just one example.

[uponit7771]

16. Most democrats like Hillary

[senz]

3. Right. She seemed more about style & less about content.

Fortunate that so far she can't fake passion.

[Kalidurga]

4. Bernie won for a lot of reasons.

1. His response to the email question. It was so concise and he delivered that line in a way everyone can connect with. I don't know anyone who really cares. Some care only because they think the whole mess makes her look secretive, but not because they think she actually did something terrible.

2. He was showing he wants to stick to important issues and not keep rehashing something everyone has been talking about for several months now.

3. He won because several million people will hear about him now and they will like what he says.

4. He won because he is campaigning on empowering people to make change not just elect someone to change things for them.

5. He won because he didn't get ruffled even when he was being interrupted.

6. He won because he doesn't shy away from who he is and what he stands for and he proudly wears the Democratic Socialist label and he can concisely tell people what that means.

I am sure there are a lot of other reasons. But, he delivered the best lines overall. The only area Hillary outshined him was in direct attacks against Republicans while Bernie was directly attacking Wall Street.

[mhatrw]

11. 100% agreed nt

[ccinamon]

18. Good points..

Thanks!

[delrem]

5. The problem is "compromising" before even putting the matter on the table.

In the interest of a "bipartisanship" that works only one way.

I've seen OPs on DU complaining that eg. Bernie Sanders doesn't have the stuff required to play pat-a-cake with the AEI's "tea party", as if that was a negative.
I guess if a person is an absolute sell out...

[msongs]

6. that's called obama syndrome nt

[delrem]

8. Not by me.

And I don't like your response.

[mhatrw]

9. Exactly. You loudly proclaim your winning case, and you play to win.

You only compromise, just as you only go to war, as a last resort.

If you don't stand up for what is right as strongly and as vociferously as possible, regardless of what the corporate media addled public supposedly "thinks" according to corporate polls, your defeatism becomes self-fulfilling.

[delrem]

10. Nothing I can add to that.

[ccinamon]

19. +1000

snip: The problem is "compromising" before even putting the matter on the table.

Exactly!!!!

[ccinamon]

14. +1000

snip: If you compromise your ideals before it is absolutely necessary to do so, just to supposedly appeal to the widest focus group of low information voters, you end up with the complete mess our great nation currently faces.

YES!!!

Most of us don't expect the President to deliver everything he says during campaign season, but AT LEAST try and fight for what is correct! You don't start negotiations from the middle, you start from the top.

(ACA example, of course Medicare for all would not pass with the Congress he had, but taking it off the table from the very first second, WRONG. Put it on the table, start with the pie-in-the sky desire,,,never let the other side figure out where you really want to be. He obviously never bartered for a taxi in Bangkok!)

[antigop]

17. it's not progress if the debate shifts to the left, but after election the status quo is preserved.

nt

[ccinamon]

20. +1000

Perfectly stated!