2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFormer President Bill Clinton Now Following Bernie Sanders Lead on Citizens United! Sort of!
Obviously most people agree that Citizens United has to go.
To do it through a Constitutional Amendment however would mean clearing out Congress of its majority of Corporate controlled members.
That would take a whole lot of time during which the Kocks et al will be purchasing even MORE members of Congress.
Bernie will appoint Judges who oppose it making it possible to speed up this process.
AND MEANTIME:
Candidates like Hillary eg, can do what Bernie Sanders is doing
REFUSE TO HELP MAKE CITIZENS UNITED WORK.
So my question to President Clinton is this:
Have you advised Hillary to follow Bernie's example and refuse the money made possible by Citizens United which she is currently accepting?
Because accepting that money STRENGTHENS Citizens United, just as accepting any money from anyone with questionable intentions gives them power over you.
So talk is cheap. Until Hillary and all other candidates refuse this money, all we are getting is talk.
Except from Bernie Sanders.
Bernie cannot be bought!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Any respect I ever had for this hypocrite (and it never was much) is gone now.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)right before the debates, leaves me cold frankly.
It also tells us the issues are going to come up in the debate.
I hope they are all asked 'Are you accepting any money made available by CU which is currently flooding our electoral campaign
And, 'have you refused to condone Super Pacs, where this money and its donors cannot be identified, re CU, operating on your behalf?
Bernie is the only one who can honestly answer YES to that question.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And IMO that includes most Sanders supporters, as well as younger voters, who seem to have a more finely tuned crap detector than others.
But there is still a ginormous bloc of people out there who will hear this for the first time and think there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Bernie Sanders and Clinton.
I hold little hope that the debate mods will ask the questions you cited, but I think Bernie will call bullshit on her if she tries to portray herself as the progressive alternative.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)campaigns, and the dissatisfaction with politicians in general is at an all time high.
I am betting that some of the younger generation are educating their parents and friends on these issues.
As for the Corporate Media Mods, I am sure they have their instructions from their employers.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)After her bank account is overflowing with CU money, THEN the issue becomes important. Sheesh. These people have some real chutzpah!
Do they honestly believe we don't know what they're doing?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)am concerned. So I guess they do think we are b.ack in the 'nineties when people, and I confess to being one of them then, were fooled by campaign rhetoric.
But this is not the 'nineties anymore. We have all come a long way since then and we KNOW a lot more.
In fact I prefer a candidate whose positions are based on a belief that they are right, but with whom I disagree, than candidates who are clearly changing positions for political purposes.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)...whole new landscape politically. Sen Sanders and his message will be Berning in millions of places where he was unknown before.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Just when will Hill and Bill be roaming the halls of congress to whip up votes against the TPP and CU
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Never.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)'Because accepting that money STRENGTHENS Citizens United, just as accepting any money from anyone with questionable intentions gives them power over you."
Thanks for the thread, sabrina.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...just in time for the 'debate'. This should be interesting.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Bernie sure knows how to get people on board with his policies.