2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHopefully, when HRC wins the primary, the coziness between "progressives" and the NRA
that Bernie has promoted will come to an end. We'll see.
It's staggering to see the lengths Bernistas will go to to defend their hero. Not only justifying the horrific PLCAA and his vote against the Brady Bill (based on the same "states' rights" excuse that every right-winger in the last half century has used to fight against all progress on social issues). But also the "respect rural people" nonsense, as if semi-automatic handguns and AR-15s are hunting weapons.
Maybe Bernie thinks that the American people are dumb enough to think that we're the only advanced country with rural communities. No wonder AFT and NEA have endorsed Clinton -- education is the enemy of idiocy. Because, you know, Australia, which pretty much solved the mass shooting problem and has a tiny fraction of the gun violence we have in America, obviously Australia doesn't have any rural areas at all. At least not in Bernie's world. American exceptionalism, Bernie style!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Have a lovely night.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)really he does!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?
A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case youre referring to is before the Supreme Court.
Q: But what do you support?
A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.
Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?
A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.
Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?
A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that theyre going to try to impose, I think doesnt make sense.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)exactly the things a certain group of self declared Democratic voters are immune to.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Rather hypocritical of you though, given all the sniveling you did about how much of Clinton's money comes from banks, to disavow that she had any connection whatsoever to the banking industry, that everything she got was from "little people" and she had no meaningful corporate campaign contributions...
But apparently sanders is spending his weekends in the sauna, docking with Wayne LaPierre or something.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)from employees in the financial sector?
Strange choice of words, but I can see why you pick them.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So. Do tell me about this "cozy relationship" between we dastardly progressives and the NRA. Surely we must make up.. .what, at least a plurality of dues-paying members of the NRA? Show us the numbers, DanTex. You like the numbers, right?
HooptieWagon
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(6,604 posts)"You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are."
Guess who.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)This poop-flinging is sad, but apparently it's all the OP knows how to do.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)fueled by hate.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Pretty funny reading a rant completely devoid of any fact or truth.
jkbRN
(850 posts)When HRC supporters stand up for their candidate on issues of Hillarys horrendous voting record?
You should first learn to take your own advice, before preaching it to others. It looks insanely hypocritical, to say the least.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)it simply looks insane.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)i guess the attacks on his wild hair, LGBT support, African American support, wife, socialist policies like healthcare and free education for all didn't work. Neither will his gun rights that are basically the same as Hillary's except his make sense and haven't changed work.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)murielm99
(30,777 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Perhaps it is time for both sides to admit that both Hillary and Bernie support gun rights for rural hunters but not hand guns for city dwellers and leave it at that,
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But Clinton hasnt always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husbands record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights and the effort to reduce crime.
You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl, Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter, she continued, in a dig at Obamas remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often cling to cultural symbols like guns and religion.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/
And more about those assault weapons:
WASHINGTON, April 17 Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.
Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities, Sanders said. There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others, Sanders added.
The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories, Sanders said.
Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales up to 40 percent of all gun transfers at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between family, friends, and neighbors.
In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Australia has lots of rural areas where guns are used for hunting and protecting livestock, etc.
And our rural areas are often hunting areas. I live in one of them. Vermont has a lot of rural hunting areas.
Not really sure what your point was. As a matter of fact, your OP really doesn't make any sense at all.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)support Bernie. Hillary's keep on changing.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She must have 'evolved', again. Although the hunting stories might not be any more truthful than her landing in Bosnia under fire story. We do know she approves of war in general, and dropping cluster bombs on children in particular...and she shows no sign of walking back her enthusiasm for war.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Amusing...
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)To me that is just another code phrase for racism.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You would have preferred to see the SC overturn Massachusetts's "states rights" to open the door to that? Um, okay.
I suppose you wold also object to the "states rights" of those states that have adopted minimum wages higher than the Federal level too.
"State rights" is a neutral concept. It is neither good or bad. It all depends on how the concept is used.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)deadlinetony
(48 posts)Get a life. Step away from the computer. Go outside. Smell that fresh air. Take a nice walk. Meet the people. Smile. Enjoy life.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)like clockwork
DanTex
(20,709 posts)we'll all be on the same team again.
Response to DanTex (Reply #41)
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Logical
(22,457 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)as well as the MIC that hillary has promoted, will come to an end.
she can write books, give quarter mill speeches, and enjoy being a grandma
can't wait.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I'm sorry to tell you that if you want effective and realistic gun control, you are going to have to change the second amendment.
There is no way in hell you will pass Aussie-like gun laws in this country with that amendment standing.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)as the primary race goes on.