I'm voting for Bernie in the primary

[One of the 99]

He stand for and is bringing up issues that are important to me and to the country.

However, I will vote for whom ever the nominee of the Democratic party in the election. As someone once said, 'In a primary you vote with your heart and the election you vote with your head".

So whether the nominee is Bernie or Hillary or Joe, I will vote for that person against the GOP nominee. Why?

Because I don't want to see a Republican president with a Republican congress who will

- give big tax cuts to the rich

- load the Supreme court for the next 20 years

- roll back minority rights

- cut Social Security, Medicare and assistance for the poor

A moderate Dem is still better than a Republican. In 2000 we saw the damage a Republican president and congress can do and we must never let that happen again.

[restorefreedom]

1. i am voting my conscience

in the primary AND the general

the days of picking the least of the worst are over. we have other choices.

[One of the 99]

2. That is your right.

But will you take responsibility for helping to elect a Republican president?

[restorefreedom]

3. i will take responsibility

for casting my vote to try and change the corrupt political system that benefits the wealthy and powerful and shits on everyone else.

the parties and the candidates are RESPONSIBLE for putting out candidates and platforms that real people can get behind and not try and force centrist hawks down our throats. if they fail to do that and lose, that is on THEM not us.

[RiverLover]

4. +1

Well said.

[99Forever]

5. Exactly.

If a political party loses an election, it's always, Always, ALWAYS the responsibility of that party.

It is never, Never, NEVER the fault of voters.

If a political party wants my support and vote, then earn it. You don't get it by default. Period.

[One of the 99]

7. So voters have no responsibilty for the consquences of their vote?

And all those who voted for Bush in 2000 and '04 don't have any responsibility for the actions he took as president.

[99Forever]

13. I have NO responsibility for the actions of politicians I didn't vote for.

None. Zero. Zippo. Zilch.

To hell with transference.

[One of the 99]

15. You do

if your actions helped get them elected.

[99Forever]

27. Bullshit.

My action sit quite well with my conscience, the actions of some others are theirs to deal with.

Fuck guilt trips and those who try to use them as a weapon.

[One of the 99]

29. Not a guilt trip

But real life.

[Jester Messiah]

60. +1 [nt]

[Fawke Em]

69. Some of us live in solid red or solid blue states.

If Hillary gets the nomination, I'll vote third-party. My state is reliably red. My one vote will not change it to blue. In fact, my whole family's votes would not change it from red to blue. In that sense, I'm a bit more free to vote my conscious. Maybe the other poster is, too.

I told my husband months back, long before Bernie got in the race and when I was considering O'Malley, that I would not vote for Hillary if she won the nomination. I didn't vote for her in 2008 and I won't now. While I agree with her on social issues, as the mother of a son who is half Palestinian, I can NOT support a war hawk. As a person barely hanging onto middle class, I cannot vote for someone who kisses Wall Street's ass, takes their money and then supports policy making it more difficult on my family and me to earn a decent living, go to school and know I'll have a retirement someday.

If the Democrats - and I am one, even though I'm not required to register with a party to vote in the primaries in my state - can't give us a clear choice against the Republicans on the economy, on war, on keeping good jobs in this country, on expanding Social Security and Medicare, on the death penalty, on the Patriot Act and on Glass-Steagall, the problem is theirs, not mine.

[One of the 99]

73. That's true

but not in all states. 10 years ago who would have thought a black man would win Virginia and North Carolina. They were once considered solid red states too.

[Fawke Em]

77. Trust me, my state will continue to be red for many more years.

I'm in Tennessee.

We stopped being reasonable when we didn't even vote for our "favorite" son, Al Gore, in 2000.

[One of the 99]

84. Again true.

Hopefully that will change one day. With someone like you down there I'm sure it will.

[One of the 99]

6. Great!

So you will take responsibility for tax cuts for the rich, the rolling back of civil rights, the cutting of Social security, etc. when a republican president is elected with a republican congress.

[99Forever]

11. I take responsibilty for voting for the candidate who best matches my positions.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if a political party wants my support and vote, it's their RESPONSIBILITY to run candidates that meet MY qualification list, NOT the other way around.

It's not negotiable.

[One of the 99]

14. But your vote has a consequence.

It's nice to sit on your ideological high horse and think you have no responsibility for the results of your actions.

As the saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

[99Forever]

26. Bullshit.

Take your guilt projections and place them in an appropriate place. I don't accept them.

[One of the 99]

28. What' BS is thinking that your actions have no consequence

and that you have no responsibility for them. This is not some academic or philosophical exercise this is real life and our actions (or inactions) have real impact on people's lives.

[99Forever]

30. Good bye.

Welcome to Ignored.

Have a wonderful life.

[One of the 99]

31. You have a wonderful life too.

Unfortunately the same won't be true for most if we allow a Republican to elected president.

[whatchamacallit]

41. Seems this game gets run every election

People who think they have a crystal ball try to guilt and bully others into surrendering their constitutional right "for the greater good". We're not buying it anymore.

[One of the 99]

50. Not a game but reality.

In 2008 there was the PUMA crowd that were upset that President Obama won the nomination. Thankfully there were not enough of them to make a difference in the election.

Unfortunately there are real world consequence for our actions (or inactions). Now I'm sure it is nice to sit home and be self-satisfied that you stood by your principles but at the end of the day that might help a republican win the election.

[840high]

79. Correct. Not buying it anymore.

[KPN]

32. That's an apt saying but ...

it's really all about how you define the problem isn't it?

[One of the 99]

52. Do a republican President

backed by a republican congress is not a problem?

[Jester Messiah]

61. Don't like it? Don't try to foist repub-lite on us.

It's on every primary voter's conscience not to foist a shit nominee on the rest of us, knowing that many won't violate their consciences.

[One of the 99]

66. Not trying to foist anything

and my argument is the same to those who support Hillary or Biden and say they won't vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination.

Would you really rather have a Republican as president?

[Jester Messiah]

70. What's the difference?

Repub or repub-lite, the only difference is how much they try to justify their regressive policies in terms of religion. The net effect is the same; more war, more money for the 1%.

[One of the 99]

72. The difference is

reproductive rights, LGBT rights, voting rights, healthcare reform, Social Security etc.

[Jester Messiah]

82. All things that repub-lite will gladly pay lip service to, then ignore once in power.

Repub-lite is, in this sense, worse than a full-on Republican. At least we keep our guard up with the Republican; repub-lite lulls us into a false sense of security.

[One of the 99]

86. Worse than "a full-on Republican"?

Really? We were told the same thing in 2000 and that proved not to be true.

[840high]

78. I view Clinton as" part of the problem".

I will vote for Sanders. Period.

[One of the 99]

88. A bigger problem than a GOP president?

Who will have a republican congress to push through their right wing agenda.

[840high]

97. I view her as republican-lite.

[One of the 99]

105. And an actual republican would be better?

Funny I remember people saying that about Al Gore in 2000. How did that turn out?

[840high]

115. You seem like a decent

person. I will not change my mind. Peace.

[One of the 99]

119. Peace to you too nt

[Andy823]

38. Interesting

So when it comes down to picking between a democrat and a republican which one would match your positions more than the other?

I also agree we need better candidates, but the people can also find someone they think would do better and, just like with
Bernie, they can support that person and donate to them. It all really has to start at the local level. Get more politicians in locally, at the state level, and then pick some of those who are doing a great job and promote them, and encourage them, to run for higher offices. Republicans have been taking over a lot of local and state governments the last few years, and democrats need to realize they have to start working harder to get rid of those republicans.

I like O'Malley, but I would vote for Bernie in the general as I would vote for Hillary. I don't believe we can take a chance on wasting our vote, or not voting simply because we want to send a message to the party that we are fed up with them. If we want to send a message, we need to do that by finding people to run and challenge any politician who is not working to help the people. There is way to much at stake to let any republican running get into the WH. Hillary is not my first or second choice, but she is a hundred times better than ANY republican that gets the GOP nomination, and that's simply a fact.

[One of the 99]

53. Great post!

[TheKentuckian]

98. Nope, that will be the fault of the force feeders and corporate tag alongs

My position is you were warned years in advance in clear terms and insisted on going to the Turd Way well again and have doomed us all either way.

You want corporate owned and enabling interventionist then you get them and stop expecting help getting your exact preferred flavor.

Physician heal thy self or shut up and enjoy my prescription - aggressive chemotherapy.

[99Forever]

100. I have no idea why you would direct this at me.

I detest DINOs, ESPECIALLY the neoliberal brand of vermin.

[whatchamacallit]

40. That guilt cage is crumbling n/t

[One of the 99]

51. Not a guilt cage.

It's the real world. And the outcomes of elections have consequences for millions of people.

[DanTex]

9. Me too. Hillary in both cases.

I can't in good conscience vote to nominate a socialist who will lose to a Republican which in turn will wreck all the progress we've made under Obama.

[pinebox]

16. What's a social democrat?

It's sad that liberals apparently aren't aware what the biggest liberal party in the world is. That speaks volumes.

http://billmoyers.com/2015/07/03/social-democracy-is-100-american/

Well, think again. Social democracy is 100 percent American. We may be latecomers to recognizing a universal right to health care (indeed, we are not quite there yet). But we were first in creating a universal right to public education, in endowing ourselves with ownership of national parks, and, for that matter, in conferring voting rights on males without property and abolishing religious tests for holding national office.

And think again. Think about the greatest president of the 20th century, Franklin Roosevelt, whose grand, social-democratic New Deal initiatives – from the CCC, WPA and Rural Electrification Administration, to Social Security and the National Labor Relations Act — not only rescued the nation from the Great Depression, but also reduced inequality and poverty and helped ready the United States to win the second World War and become the strongest and most prosperous nation on earth.

Lose to Republicans yet this is happening Dan.

[One of the 99]

17. But what if Bernie is the nominee?

Would you stand aside and let a Republican become the president?

[DanTex]

20. Then I'd vote for him in the general. Obviously.

I'm not an idiot, which is what I would have to be to let Republicans win the White House simply because my preferred candidate didn't win the primary.

[One of the 99]

21. Cool!

Wish more felt like you.

[DanTex]

25. Me too. I like all the Democratic candidates, and like you said in the OP, it goes without saying

that any Dem is a thousand times better than any Rep.

[restorefreedom]

59. yeah me too!

my conscience will not allow me to vote for a corporate war hawk who will make the MIC rich and who has no chance in winning a ge

[Fawke Em]

75. I don't think that term scares anyone but older voters these days.

People from about 50 on down who have been struggling and still can't do as well as their parents, but see how well the middle class in countries like the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia and Germany are doing are beginning to understand why: strong unions, solid safety nets, access to healthcare and more progressive tax rates.

And that term seems more FDR now than Lenin or whatever boogeyman the GOP stirs up.

[Jurassic Fiend]

8. Bernie just got another new voter.

Me.

[GoneOffShore]

19. Welcome to DU.

[CountAllVotes]

23. Welcome to the Democratic Underground Jurassic Fiend!!

Welcome to the DU!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Welcome!

Glad to add one more Bernie supporter to the list!

[Armstead]

10. Okay but let's not jump the gun

[stonecutter357]

12. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton....

[Vattel]

18. I support Bernie but Bernie's supporters are so awful that I may have to switch. (sarcasm)

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. I'm voting for Bernie in the General. nt

[One of the 99]

24. But what if he doesn't win the nomination?

And endorses the person who does?

[restorefreedom]

44. if he does not get the nom,

he is free to vote for and endorse whomever he wishes

as are the rest of us. i don't take voting orders from anyone, and i don't vote for them just because so and so endorses them.

[One of the 99]

49. Yes everyone is free to vote or not vote.

But will you take responsibility for your actions.

[restorefreedom]

55. sorry not buying what you're selling

no matter how many times you repackage it.

no one should have to vote against their conscience to get a good dem in the wh. and as i said before, if the best the dems can do is a corporate hawk who will start wars, screw up our foreign policy, and make the MIC rich then they deserve to lose.

if you are not satisfied wih the result, take it up with the party and their nom. its their responsibility to provide acceptable candidates.

the reason the country is in the state its in is too many elections where we voted for the least of the worst. no more.

your guilt trip may work ln others but not me.

[One of the 99]

58. You're free to vote your conscience.

But will you take responsibility if it help a Republican become president?

[restorefreedom]

62. it is not my responsibility

it is on the party to present an acceptable candidate who does not violate the conscience of those who care about the 99% and do not want more war. if they blow it, take it up with them.

[One of the 99]

65. Like it or not it is

if your actions help elect a republican.

[restorefreedom]

67. it will be the failure of the party

that "helps" elect a republican. take it up with them if they put forward a crappy candidate.

[One of the 99]

71. So it will be the failure of primary voters

because they will chose the nominee.

Unfortunately millions will have their lives negatively affected by another republican president. And it is the responsibility of all to stop that.

[restorefreedom]

76. if you feel that way then maybe you should write dws and tell her

to stop,rigging the democratic process for her preferred candidate and let it be a fair contest. again, if the party riggs the process and tilts it toward an unacceptable candidate, they bear the responsibility for undermining democracy, not to mention backing a candidate that many just cannot support.

[One of the 99]

85. How is the process rigged?

Sure there should be more debates but other than that the party really can't do anything to influence the outcome of the primaries.

[restorefreedom]

89. by restricting debates,

AND trying to impose a bullshit exclusivity clause, they are seriously restricting access to the candidates views in an open exchange, something that many people use to make decisions.

undemocratic and slimy to boot.

[One of the 99]

91. Sure there should be more debates.

But other than that how are they rigging the primary process?

And Bernie is either leading or catching up without a single debate so how influential are they?

[restorefreedom]

92. they have said

the candidates cannot debate in any event that is not theirs or they will be barred from participating. This means that other groups who would like to host debates where some or all of the candidates might like to participate cannot do so. This is a heavy-handed attempt to keep the candidates voices away from the voters. I don't know how that can be seen as anything other than undemocratic.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the number of debates by them if they didn't have the exclusivity clause. That's where they lose me.

[One of the 99]

93. But what other than debates?

How is the process rigged?

[restorefreedom]

95. debates are enough

many busy people rely on them to get a contrast of the candidates.

are you saying an exclusivity clause, basically a group gag order, is acceptable?

[One of the 99]

104. No not at all

But debates are not enough if you are making the accusation that the process is rigged.

[restorefreedom]

108. of course its enough

you just said exclusivity clause is not acceptable. Many people who are busy, especially if they're working several jobs rely on the debates for their information and for contrast between the candidates. Messing with them and trying to stamp out the alternate voices is seriously messing with the process imo. You may decide to impose other criteria for yourself, but it's more than enough for me to say it's rigged. not to mention those who keep bragging about how many superdelegates Hilary has locked up. If they trying to override the will of the people the party will implode and they can kiss the presidency goodbye.

[One of the 99]

110. It's not just because you say it is.

Debates are typically low rated to start and each is viewed by less people than the one before. And let's remember that Bernie has risen in the polls without a single debate. So your entire premise is both factually and logically faulty and you really need to come up with more evidence that the process is rigged.

[restorefreedom]

112. so you are the self designated arbiter of what is rigged?

we all have equally important opinions, at least in bernieworld.

have a nice evening.

[One of the 99]

122. I'm not and neither are you

But I didn't make the accusation that the process is rigged, you did. I'm just asking you to prove your accusation.

[ZM90]

33. I'm voting for Bernie in the primaries. I doubt either Bernie or HRC will win OK in the general.

So if Bernie is on the ballot for the general election I will vote for him. If not then I probably won't vote but I won't discourage others from doing so. Now if I lived in a swing state I would vote for Hillary in the general if she won the nomination because even if I disagree with her on a lot of issues she would still be 1000x better than any Republican.

[Jurassic Fiend]

34. Bernie's making a visit to OK next week

Going to go see him?

[ZM90]

35. Well I live in Tulsa but I don't have a car. I'm one of those weird people not interested in owning

a car. So the best I can hope for is that it's close by.

[SoapBox]

36. He is?

What are these details?

I've not seen this...he did just announce Tucson for this coming Friday.

[Jurassic Fiend]

37. I might be wrong

but I am *pretty* sure that he is doing a big Southern campaign swing within the next few weeks that involves Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas Texas, and Oklahoma - I saw something last week with the planned schedule, which I should have bookmarked for reference.

[One of the 99]

56. Who thought a black man

could win North Carolina or Virginia 10 years ago.

[whereisjustice]

39. When Democratic Party loses big as they do in mid-terms, DNC blames the left

never once admitting fault or mistake for not effectively representing the voters they've pissed off.

Of course, when DNC wins an election, they credit the conservatives.

DNC has their own subtle voter suppression campaign in full force - Hillary Clinton.

If they really wanted more people who consider themselves liberal to vote, they would not run a Wall Street neocon.

The Democratic Party has made a calculation that they don't need votes from the left, they are counting on independents (who historically vote republican) to carry them across the line.

After that it will be more of the same, social security on the table, tax cuts, tax credits, tax refunds for the rich, war, etc.

Given how the DNC hates liberals you have to give liberals credit for going to the polls at all.

And if you find yourself struggling to accept the idea of voting for a shit candidate destined to fuck things up even more as an act of valor, you are not alone.

[restorefreedom]

46. absofuckinglutely correct.

it is not my responsibility to vote for a corporate hawk who will represent the mic and the 1%. if the party wants my vote, they need to provide an acceptable candidate and if they fail, it is on them. i feel no guilt about not voting for a candidate whose policy positions i loathe, esp on war and economic issues.

the dems should be the party against war. it is one of the things that makes dems better than republicans. if the best the D party can do is a corporate hawk who will start more wars and make the mic rich while destroying lives and screwing up the world, then frankly, they deserve to lose.

[One of the 99]

48. Then you need to get out and elect more liberal candidates in the primaries

That's why I'm voting for Bernie because even if he doesn't win the nomination, he is bringing up important issues that will push whomever is the nominee in the correct direction.

[one_voice]

42. I'm with you...

but I will go further and say that even if I'm voting for the 'lesser of two evils' in the general I'm still voting my conscience; for the reasons you listed above and more. Anyone can speechify on how a moderate Democrat is as bad as a Republican--and that's their right--however I will speechify on how wrong they are. All one has to do is watch what was done in the planned parenthood 'hearings' this week, listen to their [Republicans]response to the Oregon shootings, sit back and watch how Carly Fiorina's lies go unchecked or how Bushs' reign is defended. So many more examples.

Too many of them are starting to look like Ted Cruz and that's a long way off from a moderate Democrat and my conscience won't let me ignore that fact.


eta: Not sure who I'm voting for in the primary. I like O'Malley--looking forward to the debates.

[restorefreedom]

47. if your conscience leads you to that vote

then it is good that you follow it. i think each of us,should vote our conscience. its just that our consciences may lead us to different decisions.

i like om too and am also looking forward to debates

[One of the 99]

63. Thanks.

I think the problem is that for too many their lives will not be directly affected if a republican becomes president. They won't have their civil right rolled back, don't need food stamps or Medicaid, etc. So they are safe to smugly sit on their high horse and vote their conscience and then take no responsibility for the outcome.

[beam me up scottie]

45. Edit.

Saw the lecture upthread and take back my rec.

People in some states know their vote doesn't matter so if they choose to not vote for the Dem nominee it won't "help elect a Republican".

[One of the 99]

54. True

But it is not true in all states. And not true at the local level.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Lecturing people to be loyal to the party that many feel forgot about us doesn't usually end well.

Just sayin.

[One of the 99]

68. Another GOP president

will end worse.

[beam me up scottie]

74. Knock it off, your scare tactics won't work on me either.

I have already stated what my intentions are if Bernie loses the nomination, if you are so concerned about my vote you can search my posts to find out what I'm going to do.

We're done here.

[One of the 99]

87. Not a scare tactic.

Stating the reality of the situation. Maybe it is a scare tactic. The thought of a Republican president with a Republican congress scares the hell out of me.

[Jester Messiah]

57. Cool. Me too.

Fuck voting for republican-lite. If people want a pro-corporate warhawk for president, they can get it without my vote.

[840high]

81. Yes.

[One of the 99]

90. Of course that is your right.

But will you take responsibility for the consequences if a Republican is elected President.

[Jester Messiah]

94. This again? You've already been told.

Responsibility goes further up the chain. Don't try to fob it off on me; why don't you take responsibility for trying to force a shit candidate on the rest of us?

[One of the 99]

103. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions.

And the only thing I'm trying force is preventing a GOP president.

[Jester Messiah]

113. But you're not responsible for yours?

"You MADE me shoot the hostage!" Grow up. Take your equal measure of responsibility.

[One of the 99]

123. Sure I am

And I'm fully willing to be responsible for preventing a GOP president. Why aren't you?

[Jester Messiah]

124. Because I'm more committed to establishing a liberal president

I'm willing to go to the mat for it. Here's where I draw my line and dare you to rely on my vote if you foist a conservative in liberal clothing on me.

[One of the 99]

127. So how does allowing a Republican be elected

establish a liberal president? Is this part of some grand master plan I'm missing?

[Jester Messiah]

128. You tell me.

Or rather, why are you so committed to a Hillary candidacy that you'd risk it? From my perspective, Hillary is as good as a Republican, so I have nothing to lose. So it's my way or the highway. You can join me in voting for Bernie, or you can lose. Your call.

[One of the 99]

129. I'm only committed to not having another republican president.

As my OP said I'm voting for Bernie in the primary. But I will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee.

So you tell me how letting a republican win next year achieves the goal of getting a liberal president?

Or are you so consumed by a blind hatred of the Clinton's that you rather Bush or Rubio or god forbid Trump become the next president?

[Jester Messiah]

132. I've told you where I stand.

If you don't want another Republican president, you know what to do.

[One of the 99]

133. So you're ok with a GOP president

with a GOP congress who will push through tax cuts for the rich, pack the supreme court with right wingers, slash Medicare, SS and every other program that helps people. Are you really OK with that?

[Jester Messiah]

134. Sounds like a Hillary platform to me.

So no. Hence why I won't be supporting her.

[One of the 99]

135. Show me where that is in her platform

Provide links please.

[Jester Messiah]

136. I've got something to show you all right...

Alas the civility rules prevent me.

[One of the 99]

137. So in other words you got nothing.

Sounding a lot like someone yelling Benghazi over and over again.

[onecaliberal]

80. I cannot vote for someone who will further cut my disabled

Son's social security. When you don't try to live on $600 a month it's easy to keep
Voting for the DINO the DNC puts up. To some people this isn't a fucking game, it very much matters in their lives. Haven't enough lives been destroyed that we'd know better by now?

[One of the 99]

83. Do you really think that you would do better with a Republican president?

Who will have a republican congress to push through cuts.

[onecaliberal]

106. Do you really think electing someone who agrees

With them on the cutting is going to be so much better. Death by a thousand paper cuts is still death. I'm voting for the ONLY candidate who has vowed to protect and strengthen, the one who knows social security should be increased, not decreased. I'm done voting against my self, my family and the best interests of my country. Dems need to stop talking shit about republicans voting against self. Democratic voters do the same thing.

[One of the 99]

107. Who agrees with them on cutting?

[onecaliberal]

109. Do your homework. The same ones who call SS "Entitlements

[One of the 99]

111. And who is that?

It is easy to make accusations. But can you back any of it up?

[onecaliberal]

114. It's not an acusation it's a fact.

I'm done with this conversation. You can do your own homework like the rest of us. Goodbye

[One of the 99]

120. If it is a fact then you can prove it

One link would do the trick.

[liberal_at_heart]

116. Oh, they are too clever to agree with the Republicans. The Democrats simply use phrases such as

reaching across the isle, bipartisanship, and averting a government shutdown. I call it BS. I will not vote for anybody who is willing to make cuts to SS or SSDI, period. I don't care if they are Republican or Democrat.

[onecaliberal]

118. Me either. Like I said above, death by 1,000 paper cuts is still death.

These people aren't dependent on these programs, if they were, they damn sure wouldn't be voting for people who would ever consider cutting it further. It is a fucking shame what we do to the least of us in this society. We are supposed to be the ones who care about people. I guess its not true for all of us.

[One of the 99]

121. And who running for President

has said they would make cuts to SS or SSDI to reach across the aisle or for the sake of bipartisanship?

[liberal_at_heart]

125. Sorry but those of us who have loved ones living on SS and SSDI

do not play these games. We know and live the reality of what happens everyday. Both parties cut social services and those of us who live with those consequences everyday will not vote for politicians who cut SS and SSDI.

[One of the 99]

126. Good I don't like games either

That's why I can't understand why no one will tell me which presidential candidate is for cutting SS and SSDI. Will you tell me please?

[liberal_at_heart]

130. I have spent all night consoling my daughter who has anxiety issues and is struggling with her

precalculus. Like I said, I don't have time to play games but I will say this before I put you on ignore. I heard Obama speak many times on the campaign trail about needing to protect social services only to turn around after being elected to tell us we need to compromise and reach across the isle in bipartisanship in order to reach a budget deal and avert a government shutdown. I have no doubt Hillary would do the same. Bernie on the other hand wants to expand SS. I can see you are the kind of poster who likes to tell people they must vote for whoever wins the primary and then blames them if a Republican wins the election. No one tells me who to vote for and those who do get put on ignore. buh, bye. I have more important things to do in life than to play games with you.

[One of the 99]

131. So no current Presidential candidate

has said they will cut SS but you think that Hillary will. Do you have a link or quote where she says that she would consider it? If not, I'm not the one playing games here.

And do you really think that you'd fare better with a republican president backed by a republican congress?

[liberal_at_heart]

117. I have a disabled son too. I also have a disabled husband. I'm with you.

I will not vote for Democrats who are willing to make cuts to SS or SSDI.

[mmonk]

96. I understand. If you can't have Bernie, a slow death is better than a fast one.

I however, have abandoned slow death as well. It hasn't served us well either.

[TheKentuckian]

99. Slowly tortured to death is usually considered more heinous than a quick execution.

[One of the 99]

102. I am voting for Bernie.

Didn't you read my post?

[liberal_at_heart]

101. Does anybody know how the budget deal went? I want to know if Democrats caved on cuts to SSDI.

I will not vote for any Democrat who voted to cut SSDI. No more reaching across the isle in bipartisanship. I'm done.