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Related: About this forumHillary’s war: How conviction replaced skepticism in Libya intervention
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillarys-war-how-conviction-replaced-skepticism-in-libya-intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.htmlA reminder: it's not just the Iraq War Vote.
Seven months later, with longtime U.S. nemesis Moammar Gaddafi dead and Libyas onetime rebels now in charge, the coalition air campaign has emerged as a foreign policy success for the Obama administration and its most famous Cabinet member, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
What emerges from these accounts is a picture of Clinton using her mixture of political pragmatism and tenacity to referee spats among NATO partners, secure crucial backing from Arab countries and tutor rebels on the fine points of message management.
Clinton, in an interview, acknowledged periods of anguish and buyers remorse during the seven months of the campaign. But, she said, we set into motion a policy that was on the right side of history, on the right side of our values, on the right side of our strategic interests in the region.
Fast forward 6 years:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/02/united-nations-ban-ki-moon-libya-peace-deal-ceasefire-deadline-miss
Ban Ki-moon calls for Libya peace deal as factions miss ceasefire deadline
Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, has called for Libyas factions to end their civil war after yet another deadline passed without a ceasefire and fighting raged on across the country. At a meeting in New York originally planned to celebrate the signing of a UN-brokered peace deal, Ban appealed to the countrys rival governments to come together. No agreement is perfect, but this document will help Libya move beyond the chaos, he said.
But the failure of Libyans to agree to the power-sharing plan has left a question mark over whether diplomacy can end a war that has plunged the country into chaos and made it a springboard for people smugglers and Islamic State (Isis).
But the rival governments, facing off from different ends of the country, have signalled their refusal to sign. Khalifa al-Ghwell, the prime minister of the Tripoli-based General National Congress, declared the plan to be inconsistent with the highest principles of the nation. Meanwhile, Agila Saleh Gwaider, president of the elected and internationally recognised House of Representatives based in the eastern city of Tobruk, said no deal could be done while his rival held the capital by force.
The ceasefire refusal came amid the heaviest fighting in several months, a reminder that it is the warlords not invited to the UN talks rather than the politicians who call the shots.
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Hillary’s war: How conviction replaced skepticism in Libya intervention (Original Post)
magical thyme
Oct 2015
OP
yes, I would venture that many, even most, dc insiders are making money off of
Doctor_J
Oct 2015
#11
KoKo
(84,711 posts)1. Chuck Todd on MTP interviewed her about Libya...
Chuck Todd Asks Hillary About Libya on Meet the Press
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)2. "A reminder: it's not just the Iraq War Vote."
K & R
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)3. I have a feeling that the Clintons, like the Bush family, might be getting
rich off of the perpetual war. Hopefully not though
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)7. That's an interesting thought.
And certainly not unprecedented.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)11. yes, I would venture that many, even most, dc insiders are making money off of
the perpetual war. Our government is very corrupt.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)8. Hillary Clinton is extremely immoral.
http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999
When then-U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the war against Iraq in 2002, she justified her support of the invasion as a way to protect Americas national security. But less than a decade later, as secretary of state, Clinton promoted the war-torn country as a place where American corporations could make big money.
It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.
The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the familys foundation.
It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.
The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the familys foundation.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)9. How do so many people not see this about her?
Ugh.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)10. It seems that the people that are paying attention
and still support her just don't care.
I consistently disagree with Clinton supporters in issues that matter to me: such as human rights and war.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)4. And there is a reason she elevated Victoria Nuland to prominence
The neoliberal faction has long had Russia in its crosshairs. Turning Ukraine into a failed state on Russia'a doorstep is part of a long game that Hillary will certainly bring along to "fruition".
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)5. and unfortunately, Biden has a conflict of interest there as well...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/05/14/hunter-bidens-new-job-at-a-ukrainian-gas-company-is-a-problem-for-u-s-soft-power/
Hunter Bidens new job at a Ukrainian gas company is a problem for U.S. soft power
Hunter Bidens new job at a Ukrainian gas company is a problem for U.S. soft power
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)6. Oh yeah, Hunter's just got a nose for great opportunity