New Iowa PPPpoll Sept 22 -->Clinton 43% Sanders 22% Biden 17%

[riversedge]

Go Hillary. Congrats.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html#more


September 22, 2015
Trump still leads Iowa; Clinton in good shape

PPP's new Iowa poll finds Donald Trump continuing to lead in the state with 24% to 17% for Ben Carson, and 13% for Carly Fiorina. In single digits but getting decent levels of support are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio at 8%, Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee at 6%, the now departed Scott Walker at 5%, and Bobby Jindal and Rand Paul at 4%. Rounding out the field are John Kasich at 2%, Chris Christie and Rick Santorum at 1%, and Lindsey Graham, Jim Gilmore, and George Pataki all at less than 1%.

Trump's recent comments about President Obama waging a war on Christianity don't hurt him much with the GOP base. 69% agree with the sentiment that the President has waged a war on Christianity, with only 17% disagreeing. Trump's probably not hurting himself too much with his negativity toward Muslims either- only 49% of Republicans think the religion of Islam should even be legal in the United States with 30% saying it shouldn't be and 21% not sure. Among Trump voters there is almost even division with 38% thinking Islam should be allowed and 36% that it should not..............



............On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is in pretty good shape. She leads with 43% to 22% for Bernie Sanders, 17% for Joe Biden, 3% for Martin O'Malley and Jim Webb, and 2% for Lincoln Chafee. Among Biden's voters 43% say Clinton would be their second choice to only 15% for Sanders. Reallocate them to their second choice and Clinton would lead Sanders 50/25, almost identical to the 52/25 lead we found for her last month when we didn't include Biden........

[msrizzo]

1. Didn't realize Biden would be in this one.

So that's an excellent spread for Clinton.

[riversedge]

2. adding Biden seems to be the 'in' thingy to do lately. And yes

I am so glad for Hillary. PPP is a trusted polling firm.

[roguevalley]

34. If you add up all the choices of the other voters its 44% don't want

her. This means that more people don't want her than want her. I wouldn't crow too loudly over this. Half the electorate want anyone but her.

[riversedge]

37. "just 15% that Sanders would be:--their 2nd choice"...

soft crow crow.


PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 2h2 hours ago

Among Biden voters in Iowa 43% say Clinton would be their second choice, just 15% that Sanders would be: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html …

[treestar]

61. Not very relevant where 3 people are running

she only needs the most votes.

[George II]

71. Using your math, that means THREE QUARTERS of the electorate don't want Sanders!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Good catch!

eom

[riversedge]

93. 1+

[Bounzer]

3. But

Emails!

[Fred Sanders]

4. No wonder some at DU want Biden to enter! Otherwise, it is hopeless.

"Among Biden's voters 43% say Clinton would be their second choice to only 15% for Sanders."

There are not near enough Liberty U type Fundies in the GOP or Democratic Party who would vote Democrat/Sanders to make any difference.

The best hope of keeping the fascists from taking the WH and destroying the planet....is Clinton...no way I am giving that up...have folks seen the barbarians on the other side of a two party state?

[DCBob]

23. Indeed.. without Biden it would be 50/25.

Blowout.

[workinclasszero]

58. You got that right! /nt

[Stallion]

5. "Only 49% of Republicans think the Religion of Islam should even be legal in the United States"

wow

the protect the Constitution crowd doesn't believe in Freedom of Religion

[mythology]

57. They only seem to care about the second amendment

Those other parts are just in the way.

[HerbChestnut]

6. What is going on with these polls?

I understand that polls are subject to variation, but we've seen Bernie's support fluctuate 10-20% in Iowa and New Hampshire polls within the last couple of weeks. That seems a little much when Clinton's and Biden's support has been relatively steady in those same polls.

[George II]

14. The polls have been pretty consistent in Iowa (and other states).....

.....the last PPP poll was Clinton 52, Sanders 25, Biden 0 (Clinton +27)

Now it's Clinton 43, Sanders 22, Biden 17. (Clinton +21)

Now, and with Biden being considered, Clinton dropped 9, Sanders dropped 3.

Obviously most of her "loss" is to Biden, so when he decides to not run she'll be back up.

[HerbChestnut]

41. Except that two polls over the last two weeks

Had Sanders leading in Iowa, both of which had him over 40% with Biden included. Even a week before those there were polls showing Sanders approaching or surpassing 30%. 22% seems low, and I've noticed that PPP's polling tends to do that. Now I'm not one of the conspiracy theorists, but it's possible that PPP's methods for whatever reason result in Bernie registering lower than what he actually has. Guess we'll have to wait for other polls to come out in the near future.

[George II]

54. Those were the only polls that showed Sanders ahead.....but since the beginning of August...

...there have been 10 polls released for the Iowa Caucus.

Seven consistently showed Clinton in the mid-40s up to the 50s, with Sanders pretty much in the high 20s (a couple had him at 30 or a few points higher)

Then those two that showed Sanders ahead by 1 point and 10 points.

Now we're back to the same result that we've had for the last several months - Clinton ahead by 20+ points.

[HerbChestnut]

66. Yeah that's my point

The polls are all over the place. Bernie's been on a steady rise in Iowa so when those two 40% polls came out I wasn't surprised even though they seemed a little high. If this latest poll had him at 30% or thereabouts it would have been understandable, but 22% goes against the trend when nothing significant has happened to him politically that might have spurred something like a 20 point drop. I guess the lesson is that you can't judge a single poll unless it's put into context with others around it both in the past and in the future.

For those requesting a link to the polls I mentioned earlier: [link:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html|

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I would suggest that now that the nat'l polls are moving in HRC's favor...

I would suggest that now that the nat'l polls are moving in HRC's favor it stands to reason that the state polls are as well as the state polls are drawn from the same universe of voters, albeit portions of it.

[Gothmog]

7. This is great news

[Skwmom]

8. Am I suprised? No.

With big money backing Clinton, the establishment backing her, the media backing her, and the dirty tricks, am I surprised? No.

[Bounzer]

9. The media backing her?

I would hate to be "backed" that way.

[Cali_Democrat]

28. LOL...no kidding!

Welcome to DU.

[Rose Siding]

39. Just yesterday Salon told us we had a new frontrunner

In depth!

Three days in Iowa that explain why Hillary’s fading and the Dems have a new front-runner

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/20/behind_the_scenes_with_bernie_sanders_three_days_in_iowa_that_explain_why_hillarys_fading_and_the_dems_have_a_new_front_runner/

That's the very day before this poll and after the national that showed her up so much

And from today!

Like Iowa and New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders Will Surpass Clinton in South Carolina. Here's Why

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/like-iowa-and-new-hampshire-bernie-sanders_b_8168818.html

Hope Hillary gets some of that kind of "bad" media coverage!

Even the ppp write up uses a qualifier for this 21pt lead, calling it "pretty" good

[modestybl]

55. Grab onto the outliers while you can...

... we're looking at the trends. And that national poll that didn't include anyone under 50??? Apart from scratching my head over why ANY progressive or liberal would give HRC the time of day, the Bernie Sanders campaign is more than just a candidate.. its a movement away from the billionaire money that has completely corrupted our democracy.

I noticed that none of the HRC backers can defend her catastrophically bad choices. Makes me wonder if this isn't a whole tribe of trolls on the site..

[Juicy_Bellows]

63. Your jury results sir or madam:

On Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Grab onto the outliers while you can...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=613556

REASON FOR ALERT

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[progressoid]

94. Golly.

Somebody's caps lock button is stuck.

[Number23]

78. Yep. Well noted, Rose Siding. And ANNE RICE loves him too!

Apparently, that's a huge deal. For some reason.

[Starry Messenger]

81. Well, that's the goth vote locked up.

I guess vampires can't really vote, being technically dead.

[Number23]

85. Oh no! You made all of the nice vampires cry!

And what's really funny is that I have loved Anne Rice for years. I probably have about 8 of her books, and have read so much of her other stuff including those really skanky, hyper weirdly sexual Beauty and the Beast books.

And in spite of all of that, in spite of being a pretty big Anne Rice fan, I was still doing the face when I saw that her support for Bernie Sanders was supposed to be a big deal and something I'm really supposed to care about. For... reasons.

[Starry Messenger]

89. I loved all of those too.

When she went through her mega-Christian phase, I kind of drifted off. I was a black eyeliner and trench coat kid though, back in the day.

But yeah, I don't think she brings a large coalition along with her endorsement. But hey, if it encourages some young people to take an interest in politics, that's a good thing!

[murielm99]

43. Welcome to DU.

It would be nice if that person was not serious about media backing. Get used to bizarro world here if you plan to stay.

[Walk away]

62. So true! She is attacked by everyone from MSNBC to Foxnew...

and every other paper, radio station and internet source.

She's the front runner and a Clinton. That means attacking her is news and ratings.

[NCTraveler]

98. They meant to say "backstabbing."

Spell check got them. Has to be what happened.

[riversedge]

10. A thread on DU a bit ago was saying all the negitive press she has been getting.

[Gloria]

15. She has had a good recent string of good media but

she needs a couple of months to really stabilize....However, with the Benghazi crap and the debates, the campaign will really have to watch what goes on.
According to Bloomberg guys, the campaign now gets it that she has to be more available. DUH.

FREE HILLARY! She is at the age where she is one of the "wise women" ..the time women are freest and don't give a shit anymore about being "nice little girls." It's unnatural to try to suppress her at this point...she has a solid Midwestern feel, a sense of humor and great laugh....let it go, girl!

All Due Respect is actually becoming almost a must watch for me ...a quick half hour, no bullshit guests lobbying for candidates, and just straight reporting and some analysis...Halperin and John Heileman (Not at all sure how to spell that, but he has been on MSNBC a lot in the past).... It is a very "clean" show without a lot of gossip...

[George II]

16. No, she is a DEMOCRAT, and she is getting the backing of the DEMOCRATIC Party.

If he wanted the Democratic nomination, perhaps Sanders should have considered becoming a Democrat sooner than 5 months ago?

And just what are these "dirty tricks" you're talking about?

[bowens43]

26. the woman represents everything that is wrong with democratic party.....

Democrat? Not really, having a (D) next to your name on the ballot doesn't make you a Democrat.

[Keep-Left]

32. "perhaps Sanders should have considered becoming a Democrat sooner than 5 months ago"

what a true statement! great post!

people cry that she is getting the backing of the DEMOCRATIC Party. Well she has been part of it forever unlike Sanders.


Don't get me wrong I love Sanders and what he stands for and my views are more inline with him. But this Hillary bashing by Dems needs to stop.

Don't weaken our own people. Don't do the job for the Republicans

[Fawke Em]

49. She's not my kind of Democrat. eom

[SoapBox]

18. Yup.

But the Entrenched Establishment crowd is in for one big fucking surprise come voting time.

[Renew Deal]

44. Ahh, so when things look good for Bernie it is "the people"

But when they don't "we're screwn"

[workinclasszero]

60. Media backing Hillary??

Oh my, thats a good one!

[upaloopa]

101. No those folks were not polled, voters were polled

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It's the people get it?

[demosincebirth]

103. Maybe it's the weather.

[upaloopa]

105. Well we have an El Niño going here in CA been hot all week

[demosincebirth]

106. Ditto on that.

[enid602]

11. bern

Guess 'feelin' the Bern' goes both ways.

[Skwmom]

24. Yeah, feel the bern. Isn't that one heck of a website. n/t

[riversedge]

13. Clinton up 49/15 with seniors, 48/19 with women in IA but just 33/32 with younger voters, 36/28 with

PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 9m9 minutes ago

Clinton up 49/15 with seniors, 48/19 with women in IA but just 33/32 with younger voters, 36/28 with men: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html …

[riversedge]

17. That's the kind of President we want. ...

Correct The Record ?@CorrectRecord 3m3 minutes ago

That's the kind of President we want.

[modestybl]

21. We DON'T want a president who voted for the Iraq war, supports Keystone and supports the TPP...

... not to mention that she is the obvious choice of Wall Street... she is doing what she feels is necessary to win... who's interests do you think she is serving? What are the banks expecting for their money.

[pandr32]

27. You just hit the big right-wing talking points

You don't realize that the donations from "the big banks" is actually from their employees, so I suppose they might be hoping for paid sick leave, equal pay, and economic security.
She is dedicated to helping women, families, and communities. These are hardly Wall Street priorities.

[jkbRN]

35. Lol

Right wing talking points???! no those are her policy positions. She also voted to bail out the banks.

[modestybl]

40. No, HRC hits the RW talking points... in private, among those she feels at home...

“Most people in New York on the finance side view her as being very pragmatic. I think they have confidence that she understands how things work and that she’s not a populist.”

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/why-wall-street-loves-hillary-112782#ixzz3mUU19Tfb

[JDPriestly]

50. Those are not right-wing talking points.

Hillary"s votes and stances on those issues tell us who she really is: a conservative and a sell-out to the corporations.

Iowa farmers favor GMOs. They raise their per acre corn yields. Just ask an Iowa farmer about that.

Iowa farmers like trade agreements. Those agreements help them sell more corn. What do they care whether Americans in urban areas are homeless or working for subsistence pay?

From Iowa, you are see very little other than green fields, lots of water and in the winter, snow.

Iowa is not typical of America. I know it is well, and I love it, but it is what much of America used to be, not what we are today.

Iowa should not be an early primary state. A large, urban state should be in the mix of early primary states, and one state on the West coast should be among the early states.

The system is so very rigged toward predictably conservative results.

No wonder so few Americans vote. By the time it is their turn at the polls, the decision has been made.

I"m in California, and I object to this rigged system in which my vote counts for far less than those of people in smaller states like Iowa.

[FloridaBlues]

30. I want a candidate that at least can get elected !

[jkbRN]

36. That is sad.

[demosincebirth]

104. I'm with you.

[Renew Deal]

45. You wanted that president in 2004

Oh well

[modestybl]

48. Many of us SETTLED for that candidate... we WANTED the anti-war candidates...

Howard Dean, for instance... who was sand-bagged by the DNC... now we are having another DNC loser being shoved down our throats, protecting her from debates with real progressives. Pathetic, with I fear, predictable results.

[zeemike]

53. You don't understand

The kind of president they want has a vagina and that is all that matters.
All those other things do not effect them I would guess...they may be deep in the market with MIC stocks or other things like that.

Only the little people concern themselves with that kind of thing.

[Gloria]

73. Correction: she is against XL

eom

[modestybl]

84. As of today... why couldn't she give us that answer months ago... phony and duplicitous...

HRC has absolutely no moral or ethical compass...

[Gloria]

90. That is a bit much....

Let's see what Biden says about it...he's still in the Admin.

She was waiting to see a decision from the WH, which is dragging its heels. This whole thing was involved with the State Dept. since it involved a foreign country....
She gave notice to the WH that she was going to do this....
She broke with the Administration....Be happy.

Jeez, get a grip...

[modestybl]

95. She wouldn't have taken that position without enormous pressure from Bernie Sanders..

Her delay makes no sense... why would she wait on what this WH did, she is no longer part of that admin. This just adds to the impression of her being one big politcal wind sock.

The only principle I can se that guides her is the deep-seated belief that she should be president.

[Gloria]

96. It made sense...She was still tied to the Admin...she is

separating now from it...She said she was waiting for a decision and it never came. Now, with the campaign season well on, she still contacted the WH to inform them that she wasn't going to wait for them anymore and she came out with her position.

She is on the right side of this...it has nothing to do with Sanders...no one is really even talking about it anymore...She said she would make her comment soon...and with a week or two, she did.

Biden will be in the same boat if he runs...he will have to either wait or decide to break with the Admin.

They are both in similar situations.....

[modestybl]

97. She has not been part of the admin for over 2 years...

... she is a political windsock. She is always reacting. I don't want to always be pushing a Dem to do the right thing. She has shown terrible judgement where it mattered most in her career (Clinton-care, Iraq). Wall street hedge fund managers are satisfied that she will look for their interests. She doesn't believe that medicare for all, enormous public works projects, free public college, reversal of privatization etc. is possible or desirable. And she won't win.

[Gloria]

99. Not worth my time anymore...

eom

[modestybl]

100. Having problems defending her record aren't you?

I sympathize...

[Gloria]

102. No, because any reasoned discussion,

Or even facts, is met with blind criticism by people who do not see beyond the end of their noses.
Or, people who are too lazy to check for a link on their own,,,,

Right now I'm about to listen to Yellen discussing inflation, the economy, possible Fed actions, etc, because it is more important to anybody's
policies than anything else, apart from who controls DC.
This is the real world that is never considered by people with blinders on...

By the way, her Wall St. friends are not happy about her drug costs plan..the stocks are trading sideways, down since then...the cos. feel threatened by it...


It's my written form of throwing up my hands in frustration and not wanting to waste my time anymore...

[modestybl]

51. A weak candidate like her that absolutely has lean on big money and super PACs...

.. is NOT going to listen to us, is NOT going to make our lives better. If she is the nominee, we'll just have to suffer 4 more years until we can get Elizabeth Warren to run...

[Walk away]

65. Elizabeth Warren is going to endose Hillary Clinton....

just wait.

[modestybl]

68. Elizabeth Warren will endorse the Dem nominee regardless...

[Gloria]

72. Seriously, we are dealing with Cit. United...you need $$$$$$

to run against Kochs and Adelson.

This is not about being a weak candidate....Jeez, wake up.

[Fawke Em]

52. Not me.

[DCBob]

19. Wow!

Great comeback!

[DCBob]

20. Waiting for the poll police to tell us what's wrong with this one.

[Orrex]

22. For starters, it favors Hillary.

Obviously proof that it's flawed and/or corrupt.

[DCBob]

25. Its a polling organization conspiracy.

They all are in cahoots with the Clintons!

[FloridaBlues]

29. Bernie surge short lived

Iowa not feeling the Bern
Let's see how they spin this poll

[modestybl]

59. Wrong!

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

[Metric System]

31. On another thread a Sanders supporter claimed her campaign were paying for positive polls! I had to

tell the poster there's a difference between internal polls and these public polls. Hillary is NOT paying for public polling, lol.

[riversedge]

33. Thank you for educating that poster

[DCBob]

67. Yeah, I saw that.

clueless.

[morningfog]

38. Sanders has more work to do in Iowa, for sure.

Hope he can regain there.

[left-of-center2012]

42. 57% don't want Clinton?

100%
- 43%
= 57%

Interesting

[DCBob]

46. 78% dont want Sanders?

More interesting.

[workinclasszero]

56. Wow things are looking up for Hillary!

[riversedge]

75. :)

[vadermike]

64. Great

But how does that help us if she goes on to
Lose the GE in Iowa and other places? They didn't poll GE matchups. We need the strongest person for next year. We will see

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Do you think a septuagenarian independent from one of the smallest and most homogeneous...

Do you think a septuagenarian senator from one of the smallest and most homogeneous states in the nation would be our strongest candidate?


Thank you in advance.

[vadermike]

77. i hear you

I know what you are saying but how does she survive with unfavorables that high? I just want the strongest we can put up next year! What do we do about those sky high unfavs?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. IMHO, eventually the choice in the GE will be binary and a segment of those who know view her...

IMHO, eventually the choice in the GE will be binary and a segment of those who now view her unfavorably will find a way to view her favorably because they view her Republican challenger even more unfavorably.

[DCBob]

80. Alot of those negatives come from hard core liberals who dont think she is liberal enough.

Also, 40% on the country is going to be negative on any strong Democrat... thats a given. All she needs to do is convince the independents/moderates she is better than the GOP candidate. If she can do that she wins.. and I am convinced she can.

[brooklynite]

88. We compare them to the unfavorables of the Republican?

[wyldwolf]

82. Emails! Emails! DLC! oligarchy!

[arely staircase]

83. She beats Sanders 2-1 with or without Joe in the race.

Great news.

[Lorien]

86. Read the fine print; less than 400 people polled, all over 50

all with land lines. No doubt most had never even heard of Sanders.

[brooklynite]

87. Q39: If you are 18 to 45 years old, press 1. If 46 to 65, press 2. If you are older than 65, press 3

[ismnotwasm]

91. Excellent news!

[mhatrw]

92. So Hillary lost 2 percentage points in a month!

Go Bernie!